DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum ANALYTICS...had enough yet ?

I know you're not asking, but since you brought it up...

I thought Keenum played fine. Not sure I saw justification of his (relatively) large contract; but he's played well enough to win both times we've seen him in live-fire situations. We didn't play the league's elite either time (by any stretch), and he certainly wasn't making arguments to be a starter with his performances, but I thought he was perfectly fine coming in as a backup in pretty rough situations.

IMO, just or s and giggles, if they had sense as I hoped they would, the Browns would have been in about their 3rd+ year of Ryan Tannehill, as they traded up in the draft for, when they needed a Qb, and Tannehill was on the board, and they selected the Rb Trent Richardson instead. Which would have translated to them not needing a QB as badly, if my memory goes back that far. (And what year did the Browns pass on Deshaun Watson in the draft, was that before Cody Kessler, (I mean Dishone Kiser) or after, becaue Deshaun Watson, imo, checked all the boxes except draft hype. )
ehh, I'm not even sure the Browns actually "passed" on D.Watson, that's a long memory away.

Which is why he is as good or better than most NFL backups. But is that really the question here?

The question become if Baker does well in practice during the week, is cleared to play by the medical team and says he can play, at that point you have to determine who is the best choice to start. It's not like some cut and dry decision some people wish to make it out to be. You can second guess the decision and many people are. But none of us saw his performance in practice to fully understand all that the decision was based on.

If I'm being totally honest I have to say I'm not really sure what it is we're debating anymore.

I think Baker's performance over the year kinda stands on its own, in that he started out the year on fire and then took a sharp turn in the other direction after he got injured. As his injuries mounted, so too did his performance deteriorate further. I think a good amount of his struggles can be attributed to his injuries, but there are elements that are just weaknesses to his game (like not seeing WIDE open receivers). I also think that there are areas of his game that are weaknesses that were exasperated by his injuries. On top of that, we had team injuries (especially to the Oline) that erroded elements of our offense and forced us to rely more on a weakened (and flawed) Baker. This is where, IMO, Stefanski (and to a lesser degree, Berry) should've helped the team out more when our Oline was decimated by injuries. When they didn't, I think they encouraged some of the more conspiracy-leaning folks to come up with the crazier theories on what's going on in Berea.

As I mentioned, I think Baker's performance stands on its own. His contributions to the disappointing season is there for everyone to see if they simply watch the games. I tend to overly-focus on the stuff that's not so obvious.

Answer me. Are you advocating that they begin to make their decisions with less information and more speculation?
It is a simple Yes or No, because that is *exactly* what that stupid buzzword "analytics" boils down to.

You're only bent out of shape because you feel the guys using that information aren't "football" guys. Period.
The things is, they ARE football guys.

The fine folks with the Minnesota Vikings!

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/...ology-data-analytics-rick-spielman-draft

Good thing DePodesta played football in college.

This is getting tough to read.

Why didn't post this last year?

Don't feed the troll. Soon he will bump the locked thread thinking it is long because it is worthy or interesting.

Analytics shows this thread will go 6+ unproductive pages with a high probability of a third round of this 8 months from now.

You keep asking questions while refusing to answer any. I can see why.

Tampa Bay has Tom Brady. That's what Tampa Bay did.

Analyze why the Browns don't score points in the 2nd half.
And the Browns best scenario is to score a bunch in the 2nd quarter.

It's part of Depo's master plan.

Vikings Rank Among NFL's Most Analytically-Inclined Teams

The Vikings are clearly among the top half of the league when it comes to incorporating analytics into decisions.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-nfl-analytics-data-espn-rick-spielman

What were you saying?

He doesn't answer questions, he only asks them.

He's the hero dawgtalkers deserves right now, but not the one it needs.

Is Depo a secret agent for the steelers.

So Paul DePodesta is the king of the franchise, and only does “analytics”, hired a coach who doesn’t care about “analytics”? That seems right.

That's what he's sayin'.

Yes, everything changed since September of 2020. But you may be right. They didn't do nearly as well this year.

That kind of trash may fly in the NFC North, and maybe even in the NFC, but it's not working in the AFC.
K. Stefanski is 6-2 against NFC teams since becoming Head coach of the Browns.
But the Browns play in the AFC, and, this analytics stuff isn't going to be as successful in the AFC as it was in the NFC, because the NFC, actually most of the NFL has weaker divisions, top to bottom, year after year.

He's basing an argument on a HC who was just fired. Timing is everything and his was terrible.

Analytics has been around since there were assistant coaches in the bleachers writing down what the next week’s opponents did. Why people are shitting the bed over analytics baffles me.

To be fair it’s literally one person.

True. Let me restate, why ANYONE is shitting the bed about analytics baffles me.

This thread is just plain silly.

Analytics tells you that a 6 foot 180 lb person should not be a defensive tackle.

It is a tool that is only as good as the interpretation behind it.

It helps determine the desirable characteristics for players that are similarly rated.

You don’t put a “road grader” in a zone scheme OL….

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You need to give it up. Those folks sitting in the stands were working as scouts, not analysts. If I would need a research analyst, I'd hire a computer major from Carnegie Mellon like Dutta before I'd hire a football player.