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So you played the same amount of football as Paul DePodesta?

DePodesta met with the media to discuss his role and analytics after Stefanski was hired. It's not scary, I promise!

DePo: People have a warped view of what analytics is

This is a fluff article.... and THAT'S your take? This is why the premise of this thread is a joke.

Near the bottom of the story below, Jackson names some of the names from our analytics department. I posted that paragraph here...

Diemert then followed up with a series of tweets stating that Jackson has records to back up his claims, and that several team leaders (including Jackson) were a part of a bonus structure to “tank,” including former general manager Sashi Brown, chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta and current general manager Andrew Berry. Diemert added that the NFL and commissioner Roger Goodell knew about it and “covered it up,” which is likely a reference to evidence provided during Jackson’s failed grievance against the Browns.



Sources: Hue Jackson may join Brian Flores lawsuit, claims to have proof that Browns incentivized tanking

Yahoo Sports
CHARLES ROBINSON
February 2, 2022, 3:09 PM

The wide-ranging class-action lawsuit brought against the NFL and a handful of teams by former Miami Dolphins coach Brian Flores may be about to add another plaintiff.

Two sources close to former Cleveland Browns head coach Hue Jackson said Wednesday that Jackson has made arrangements to speak with Flores’ attorneys about the suit as early as Wednesday. The sources also said Jackson has expressed a willingness to provide testimony and materials to Flores' lawsuit, alleging that Browns owner Jimmy Haslam financially incentivized “tanking” for better draft position through the use of a bonus structure during the 2016 and 2017 seasons, when Cleveland went 1-31.

Some of the materials in Jackson’s possession stem from a confidential fraud grievance he brought against the Browns following his in-season firing in 2018. That grievance was handled by an arbitrator under the terms of the NFL’s collective bargaining agreement. That arbitrator ultimately ruled against Jackson, although the judgment was not considered a definitive determination of fact.

“The recent comments by Hue Jackson and his representatives relating to his tenure as our head coach are completely fabricated,” a Browns spokesperson said. “Any accusation that any member of our organization was incentivized to deliberately lose games is categorically false.”

Jackson declined to comment Wednesday. On Tuesday, the NFL released a statement refuting the claims in Flores’ lawsuit and said the litigation was “without merit.”


Sources: Hue Jackson may join Brian Flores lawsuit, claims to have proof that Browns incentivized tanking
Yahoo Sports
CHARLES ROBINSON
February 2, 2022, 3:09 PM

The wide-ranging class-action lawsuit brought against the NFL and a handful of teams by former Miami Dolphins coach Brian Flores may be about to add another plaintiff.

Two sources close to former Cleveland Browns head coach Hue Jackson said Wednesday that Jackson has made arrangements to speak with Flores’ attorneys about the suit as early as Wednesday. The sources also said Jackson has expressed a willingness to provide testimony and materials to Flores' lawsuit, alleging that Browns owner Jimmy Haslam financially incentivized “tanking” for better draft position through the use of a bonus structure during the 2016 and 2017 seasons, when Cleveland went 1-31.

Some of the materials in Jackson’s possession stem from a confidential fraud grievance he brought against the Browns following his in-season firing in 2018. That grievance was handled by an arbitrator under the terms of the NFL’s collective bargaining agreement. That arbitrator ultimately ruled against Jackson, although the judgment was not considered a definitive determination of fact.

“The recent comments by Hue Jackson and his representatives relating to his tenure as our head coach are completely fabricated,” a Browns spokesperson said. “Any accusation that any member of our organization was incentivized to deliberately lose games is categorically false.”

Jackson declined to comment Wednesday. On Tuesday, the NFL released a statement refuting the claims in Flores’ lawsuit and said the litigation was “without merit.”


(...Sources tell Yahoo Sports that former Cleveland Browns head coach Hue Jackson has expressed a willingness to provide both testimony and materials to Brian Flores' class action lawsuit, alleging that Browns owner Jimmy Haslam financially incentivized
Sources tell Yahoo Sports that former Cleveland Browns head coach Hue Jackson has expressed a willingness to provide both testimony and materials to Brian Flores' class action lawsuit, alleging that Browns owner Jimmy Haslam financially incentivized "tanking" for draft position during two seasons over which the team went 1-31. (Photo by: 2017 Nick Cammett/Diamond Images/Getty Images)
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Since the filing of Flores’ lawsuit, Jackson and the head of his charitable foundation, Kimberly Diemert, have posted tweets suggesting Jackson’s intent to engage with the Flores litigation. Jackson, who is now the head football coach at Grambling State University, suggested that he encountered some of the same things Flores alleged in his lawsuit against the Miami Dolphins, New York Giants, Denver Broncos and the overarching NFL corporation.

Jackson told ESPN on Wednesday via text message, "it's time to take a stand. What I want is what Brian [Flores] wants which is for this BS to change for black coaches. I lived this same crap."

Prior to this suit, Jackson spoke critically about Black head coaches having their success undermined by team owners that allegedly set a double standard for minority coaches when it comes to the building and success of franchises — as well as the “second chance” opportunities granted to white head coaches versus minorities. Jackson also repeatedly has made claims that during his time in Cleveland, Haslam blindsided him with the size of the rebuild that was going to be undertaken, as well as some of the methods that would be employed during the rebuild.

On Tuesday, he added a wrinkle to those claims, suggesting that Haslam tied finances to what Diemert said was tanking. Responding to a tweet that said “Haslam wasn’t offering 100k per loss,” Jackson said “Trust me it was a good number!”

Diemert then followed up with a series of tweets stating that Jackson has records to back up his claims, and that several team leaders (including Jackson) were a part of a bonus structure to “tank,” including former general manager Sashi Brown, chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta and current general manager Andrew Berry. Diemert added that the NFL and commissioner Roger Goodell knew about it and “covered it up,” which is likely a reference to evidence provided during Jackson’s failed grievance against the Browns.

Attorneys for Flores said Wednesday that other coaches have not become a part of the class-action lawsuit brought against teams and the league, but that it is expected more will join the litigation.

Hue gave an interview on SportsCenter and basically undermined himself. He is, as always, an idiot seeking attention.

j/c
I have not seen the interview. From summaries which I have seen it *seems* to sort of follow this rationale

1. Hue was hired and they had a 4 year plan.
2. Years 1 and 2 the team would get young, acquire draft capital.
3. Year 3 they would be competitive.
4. Year 3 they were not competitive under Hue - they were 2-5-1. He was fired and then the Browns went on to win 5 of the remaining games with a make shift coaching staff.

Seems that Hue want's to call having a plan to get young and acquire draft picks - 'Tanking' and being paid to tank. Seems like when year 3 rolled around and the team was supposed to start being good - they were still inept under Hue and as soon as Hue was gone they got immediately much better. Sounds like Hue is full of poop.

Yep.

Hue came across as a complete moron on Sports Center. Implied on Twitter he was literally paid to tank intentionally, had the receipts and then goes on TV and basically says he was part of rebuilding plan that lost a lot of games and they knew they would as part of the process. Grambling State probably wants to rid themselves of Hue after that crash and burn.

Hue should apologize to Flores for making a mockery of the situation.

The only relevance this has to the thread topic is that some 2 bit attorney did his analytics and smelled 30% of a class action suit.....then gave 'ol Huey a call (and probably called every ex minority coach he could get the number of).

Nobody had to pay Hue to be a loser.

x2

What did Dak's attorney say? I'll only believe something if it comes from him.

Hey, at least you're acknowledging questions asked of you vs just ignoring and continuing to fabricate talking points.

How many girlfriends did DePo steal from you? Just tell us so we can skip to the end of all this.

I've mostly been poking fun at you. The source is me. I don't need a link for that.

Go back and look. When I've made actual claims, I've provided links. When I'm making fun of you creating something out of nothing (like just about everyone else in this thread), I don't need to post a link because it's coming from me.

When a comment is too stupid to actually deserve a response, emojis make for a great reply.

Mac, your thoughts on Baltimore Ravens hiring Sashi Browns.

You do know Baltimore is heavy into analytics?

LOL....that has to bother a few around here. Heck, one even had some sort of sig about Sashi not even being in football anymore....LOL

This will be fun to watch the spin on this one.

To be fair, Hue did have another NFL job first....

bugs..actually I'm hopeful that he can do for the Ravens what he did here in Cleveland, produce a 1-31 record.

I haven't read a lot of the posts in this thread, but I have seen a lot of references to analytics on plenty of others.

There are some posters who seem to believe when the Browns draft a good player or make a good play call during a game it is based on old-fashion football knowledge, but when the team has a questionable draft pick or bad play call it is because they are beholden to analytics.

Especially, it seems, every time a fourth down is attempted, analytics gets blamed.

This is aging well.

Not every 4th down, mostly 4th downs where the team was in short or usually made field goals' range. And where else but analytics would one start the blame.

I would be more likely to blame analytics if you went for it from outside field goal range.

Good thing everyone in our front office played college football.

Like Berry and Depoesta?

Do you even realize how much of what just rattled around in your head is completely made-up while also being totally not relevant?
I don't think you do. I think you think that you're actually making a point, but you are not.

You obviously have some REALLY STRANGE IDEAS as to what your favorite buzzword mean.