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That's entirely what he does - he will ignore everything relevant and latch on to one factoid he thinks is a "gotcha" ...

3% .... and that's not even 3% of consumption. It's 3% of what we import

Like the Trump tax cuts that over half of went to the most wealthy Americans and Corporations? Where were you then complaining about printing money?

U.S. budget deficit for 2021 declines from 2020’s all-time high above $3 trillion

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u...l-time-high-above-3-trillion-01634922141

So the deficit in the last year of Trump's presidency was higher than the first year of the Biden presidency.

You were saying?

j/c:

NFL suspends all COVID protocols, cites ‘encouraging trends’

https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...-health-62d42bf438a0dc394cfae434e6540dbc

With the development of PAXLOVID and Omicron having pretty much ran its course, it's nice to see levels back to a point that we see at least some sense of normalcy returning. At least for now.

j/c...

Been watching "mutations of concern" and noticed a hybrid "deltacron" being the dominant mutation in the UK.

Meanwhile, early tests of Pfizer's and Moderna's omicron targeted booster are showing signs of them both being duds.

Omicron-targeted vaccines do no better than original jabs in early tests
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00003-y

Study suggests Omicron-specific booster may not provide more protection
https://www.statnews.com/2022/02/04...cron-boosters-may-not-provide-a-benefit/

With the original vaccine formulations becoming less and less effective against later mutations, not sure where we'll be if Covid has another trick up it's sleeve vs relaxed attitude and waning immunity.

Hopefully we'll never have to worry about that.

close to 1500 lost yesterday.

but those gas prices....

wait, we have to pick one or the other to complain about? People can't care about both?



Well, then, you're right... .those gas prices, man. $100 doesn't barely get me over 1/2 tank in my truck. Diesel is through the roof!

Did you steal a tanker from the naval base or something?

I think the point being made was priorities. Higher gas prices or American corpses. Sure, you can be concerned or complain about both. But one would think that there is a clear cut winner about which one is higher on your priority list. Sadly, watching the news and listening to people talk, it seems that gas prices are higher on that list for a lot of people. But then those corpses didn't seem to be that high on some people's lists all along.

This isn't pertaining to you but a general comment based on the general reaction of higher gas prices when you compare it to safety measures that were implemented to reduce Covid deaths. I mean when people were throwing tantrums about taking measures that were proven to cut down on the spread and deaths from Covid, you have to wonder how high on their priority list those corpses were.

j/c:



Lolz.

And 1,670 died of cancer yesterday. And 1795 died of heart disease. And 458 died in accidents. And 438 died of copd. And 405 died of stroke. And none of that has anything at all to do with the price of gas. But for hard working Americans who are trying to make ends meet the price of gas is a huge problem. They are worried about it while you seem to think they are callous and uncaring for being worried about it. Connect with real people and you will find out what their concerns are. Respect them.

Seeing United letting the unvaccinated come back to work made me wonder how many of those folks had covid and were protected better than the vaccinated employees.

No no no, don't take it the wrong way. We care about hardworking Americans and their struggles. Hell that's who progressives champion, just to get poo pooed by the very people you want to help. What's really going on here is the pain you feel in your personal life is very much connected to the world. They can't start wars on foreign soil without us feeling it. The markets can't fluctuate without us feeling it. The new middle classes of foreign markets could not develop and thrive without us feeling it for the last 50 years. Pretty much everything any world leading country does to improve their own lot, lands on the working people of the USA. I guess that's the price we pay for blindly believing that we're always #1… USA, USA, USA…

But no matter where we try to scapegoat the issues, we are the only ones to blame. Exceptionalism and muscle flexing got us the lead role, and that role is why we feel so much pain from the rest of the world trying to catch up or even be remotely like us. In the 50s and until the mid 80s, we were a true superpower due to our ingenuity and manufacturing capability. This created an economy to build a superpower military, a world ripe for fleecing by our corps, and a strong sense of American pride. Problem is, other than being a military superpower, we let all the rest fall by the wayside. Hell we figured out during this pandemic, we can't even meet our own demands for manufacturing, food production, health care, medicines, national security materials like steel, etc. And the same super corps and centrist right leaning government, that lead us through the good days into this corporatist oligarchic world, don't give a damn about you or me, because they live off the global economy, not the American economy.

And listening to their puppets on MSM from both sides, well they'll get you whipped up about the other, but I'll be damned if you will hear any original thoughts (coherent ones) offering advice or guidance. Nope, all you will get is critics picking at whatever tiny thread they can to cast shadows on the other. Look how much and how far the parties have shifted. Americans can feel that something is off, but nobody can offer any real solutions other than screw the US working people and poor. I guarantee, none of our leaders or rich feel any of this pain in their worlds. And their actions to help you amount to little more than hopes and prayers. Hell they were worried about some working class getting TOO MUCH stimulus money, AT A TIME THAT IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR MANY TO MAKE MONEY! And even though those checks helped a little, and the unemployment checks and business lending helped a little more. MOST of the money for the bailout of Americans ended up in the pockets of that same group of super corps and government leadership. You can bet your ass that Joe Manchin didn't feel a thing. He and his family are set for generations to come. And look how Ted Cruz faced disaster with Texas last winter! His kids didn't feel the same pain that the working class and poor Texans faced. Same with people like Tucker Carlson, Rachel Maddow, and Anderson Cooper; they will never feel this pain.

BTW, Biden for all the bashing he's getting damn sure seen some of this coming in his build back better packages. But he was only able to get half measures through congress before the GOP attacks took the wind out of his sails. Toss in a Putin war, the pandemic economy still struggling, and a world full of idiots… You get exactly what we have received, jack squat. Many of us have been saying this stuff since Bush tanked the economy. But we were whining… Today, my 86-year-old mother-in-law told my wife she needs to learn how to make things last longer than they normally do because 'bad times like the depression are coming again'… I about half believe that may happen.

When you hear people say elections have consequences, they are usually bickering about partisan talking points. But it has a deeper meaning, because real lives are affected by whom we elect. We don't do a good job of electing fresh faces and people who care about the working class and poor. Meanwhile, corps and the rich have all the representation they need, including yours. But yeah, the gas prices are Biden's fault… and people shouldn't laugh at struggling working people. Yet many are only really struggling mentally because they have to pay more, while continuing to support all the crap and leadership causing us all the problems. The rot starts at the core in America.

Hmmm... seems like they're going all "nothing to see here folks" on the massive failure of the omicron-exclusive booster they worked on for six months.

Now it will be a vaccine that will work on "all variants".

Omicron wasn't even around for six months.

Jeeze, got me... they've only been working on this failure for four months.

Yet most of those hospitalized and dying are the unvaccinated by a large majority. Yes, what an abysmal failure.

It is a failure dude.

THEY NEVER CAME OUT WITH IT BECAUSE IT WAS INEFFECTIVE. PLEASE READ.

anybody else boosted? still havent got my magneto powers yet.

Yup. Vaccinated, got a booster. Daughter as well - both shots. Wife got the first one.

Weird thing is, daughter and I have both had it twice (granted, the first for both of us was just before it was called 'covid 19) The second time for both of us was in December - just a few months ago.

Weird: Wife hasn't had it - the virus. Or, IF she did, absolutely no symptoms, and yes this last time Sooga and I had it, wife tested a couple of times - negative.

I got my booster over 6 months ago.

and still no powers?

No, but I do have issues when I go into the kitchen.

So, you are no longer boosted/vaxed.

Not for nothing, but my nephew and his wife live in Florida.. He can't believe the stupidity there.. The virus is still raging there whereas here in Ohio it seems to be getting better.. So much for trying to kill mask and vaccine mandates..

I think Florida has Desantis to think for the needless deaths and illnesses.. What a dolt.

I wouldn't say it's raging here, as has been through almost all the pandemic, the hotspots are Miami/Palm Beach area and Tampa area. Orlando had it's bout with it, but that is almost expected being a huge tourist areas, same goes for Miami. Most of Florida has had small spikes here and there but never "raging"

Honestly, considering this is peak tourist season, I'm surprised it hasn't exploded, but then if you don't have symptoms, you're not getting tested, so the "cases" number across the country are probably largely inaccurate anymore.

less than 350 cases in Ohio yesterday/ 905 a day. Ohio has more cases per person than FL.

https://www.nbc4i.com/community/hea...xpected-at-2-p-m-for-final-daily-update/



Florida is average about 1400 a day & Florida ranked 37th among the states where coronavirus was spreading the fastest on a per-person basis, a USA TODAY Network analysis of Johns Hopkins University data shows.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story...hs-vaccines-hospitalizations/7033727001/

In general, there are tons and tons of failed drugs that never make it out of the development pipeline. I'm not sure if mRNA vaccines were supposed to change that, but a drug failing during development is nothing new (they just don't usually get the spotlight that these do).

or inject millions and millions of people as guinea pigs

When did that happen?

It didn't. They just latch onto and repeat anything and everything that makes them feel better about denying reality

The vast, vast majority of those who have been hospitalized and died from Covid have been unvaccinated. But that simple concept seems to escape them.

Sure.
So, let's follow the timeline:

Late December -- Pfizer and Moderna working on Omicron specific boosters.
Mid-January -- Getting ready for clinical trials, doses to be available in March. Whole world waiting because boosters are doing nothing to stop infection by Omicron.
Early February -- Study group ready with 1420 adults. Pfizer expects to manufacture 4 billion doses in 2022.
February 14th -- "...a raft of early animal studies suggest that Omicron-specific boosters offer no advantage over a third dose of current vaccines.
February 16th -- "Delivery of Pfizer (PFE.N) and BioNTech SE's vaccine to combat the Omicron COVID-19 variant was delayed by several weeks due to a slower-than expected data gathering process"
February 18th -- Moderna and Pfizer decide Omicron-specific booster may not be needed after all!


MARCH 11 -- “We are making a vaccine that covers omicron and all the other variants. There are so much trials that are going right now, and a lot of them we’ll start reading by the end of the month,” he continued later, adding that he’s optimistic from the preliminary data he’s seen so for.


To each his own, but this sounds like more selective science to me. Less than a month ago, Pfizer's Omicron-specific booster failed miserably, so much so that they basically skipped clinical trials once the results from animals came back. But now, their new vaccine will "cover omicron and all the other variants".

What am I missing, besides some fancy-new-math on the horizon?

You just keep living in that bubble of yours.

technically, everyone who got a vaccine from December 11, 2020, until August 23, 2021, was a guinea pig.



Here is a list of FDA-approved drugs that have mass-tort lawsuits and are currently causing massive issues/caused death or a fate worse much worse than death like SJS.

Abilify - compulsive gambling, shopping, eating, and sex

Actemra - heart failure, stroke, pancreatitis, lung disease, and gastrointestinal perforations

Actos - bladder cancer

Avandia - congestive heart failure and myocardial ischemia

Baycol - a severe muscle disorder called rhabdomyolysis

Belviq - colorectal, pancreatic, and lung cancer

Benicar - sprue-like enteropathy and other gastrointestinal issues

Digitek - risk of digitalis toxicity in patients with renal failure

Farxiga - risk of Fournier's Gangrene

Gadolinium - gadolinium toxicity, Gadolinium Deposition Disease, and Nephrogenic Systemic Fibrosis

Granuflo - cardiopulmonary arrest

Invokana - ketoacidosis, kidney damage, amputations

Ketek - cases of liver toxicity

Lipitor - blood clots and strokes

Paxil - extreme acts of violent behavior

PPA - stroke

Propulsid - heart problems

Protamine Sulfate - cardiac issues

Raptiva - progressive multifocal encephalopathy

Reglan - Tardive Dyskinesia

Rezulin - liver failure

Serzone - liver failure

Steroid Injection -meningitis outbreak

Stevens-Johnson Syndrome - painful blistering skin rash, peeling skin, and blistering sores

Taxotere - permanent hair loss

Tenofovir - kidney disease and bone injuries

Tequin - hyperglycemia and hypoglycemia

Testosterone - heart attacks, strokes, embolisms, and blood clots

Topamax - child birth defects

Trasylol -kidney failure, heart attack, heart failure and stroke

Tylenol - liver failure

Uloric - heart attacks and strokes

Varubi - Anaphylaxis Injuries

Viberzi - Pancreatitis Injuries

Vioxx - heart attack, stroke, even death

Xolair - severe cardiovascular and cerebrovascular issues

Yasmin-Yaz - heart attacks, strokes, deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism

Zelnorm - cardiovascular events of stroke and heart attack

Zithromax - arrhythmia and sudden death

Zofran - birth defects

Facts are a bubble? Or are they just inconvenient?

One question though... Does vaccination save lives? You forgot to put that in your last post.

Do some math. How many unvaccinated people died? How many vaccinated people died? Now I'm talking about in hospitals AFTER half or more Americans were vaccinated.

It's odd how even after half of America was vaccinated, the hospitalization and death rates were far higher in the unvaccinated and you still can't figure it out. Some people never learn.