And it begins.....

Well in a country filled with morbidly obese citizenry we’re easily at one comorbidity with a huge population of our people. Many of those obese folk are diabetic or pre diabetic. Strike two. You can be assured most of those have high blood pressure. Strike three. With that many have peripheral vascular disease issues, diagnosed or not.
So in our country there’s a whole lot of folks at risk.

Third city in China announces coronavirus lockdown

China announced it would lock down Anyang, a city of 5.5 million people, late Monday night in an effort to curb the spread of COVID-19 after two omicron cases were detected there.

Anyang is the third city to be locked down in China after Xi’an locked down for almost three weeks and Yuzhou for over a week, according to The Associated Press.

State media reported that nonessential vehicles in Anyang are prohibited from being on the streets as part of the lockdown. People are also not permitted to go out, and stores, except those selling essentials, were shuttered as well. However, case numbers remain relatively low with 58 new cases confirmed between Monday and Tuesday morning, the AP reported.

Now, about 20 million people in China are under lockdown as the country attempts to conduct mass testing in an effort to isolate those infected as quickly as possible.

The recent lockdowns are the broadest effort to combat the virus in China since locking down Wuhan and the Hubei province in 2020 at the start of the pandemic, the AP added.

As the highly contagious omicron variant continues to drive up case numbers around the world, the strict decision comes just weeks ahead of the 2022 Beijing Olympics scheduled to start on Feb. 4.

“If the mass cluster transmission happens, it will impact the Games and the schedule for sure,” Huang Chun, an Olympics official in charge of disease control, said, per the AP.

“The worst scenario, if it happens, is independent of man’s will, so we leave our options open,” he added.

https://thehill.com/policy/internat...-in-china-announces-coronavirus-lockdown

Hot mic catches Fauci calling GOP senator 'a moron'

White House chief medical adviser Anthony Fauci was caught on a hot mic Tuesday calling Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.) "a moron" during his testimony before the Senate Health Committee on the omicron variant of the coronavirus.

The tense exchange came as Marshall questioned Fauci about disclosing more of his personal finances to Congress. Marshall cited a Forbes story that reported that Fauci is the highest-paid federal employee, earning $434,312 in 2020.

"I don't understand why you're asking me that question," Fauci said. "My financial disclosure is public knowledge and has been so for the last 37 years or so."

"The big tech giants are doing an incredible job of keeping it from being public," Marshall responded. "We'll continue to look for it. Where would we find it?"

"All you have to do is ask for it," Fauci said. "You're so misinformed, it's extraordinary."

After the back-and-forth ended, Fauci could be heard muttering, "What a moron" and "Jesus Christ" in a clip tweeted by Mediaite.

Marshall issued a statement responding to Fauci's comments caught on the microphone later Tuesday, saying that calling him a "moron" may have "alleviated the stress of the least trusted bureaucrat in America."

“I understand that Anthony Fauci had a very frustrating day: having a bombshell report show he in fact did award U.S. tax dollars for gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and being called out about his personal financial disclosure during the COVID pandemic NOT being publically available must be very frustrating," Marshall said in the statement. "Calling me a moron during a Senate hearing may have alleviated the stress of the least trusted bureaucrat in America, but it didn’t take away from the facts."

What appeared to be an exasperated response from Fauci came amid a tense day of questioning from Republicans on the Senate health panel.

Fauci also clashed with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) about the senator's personal attacks against him. Fauci said Paul's attacks put him and his family in danger, citing a recent incident in which police arrested a man with a firearm who claimed that he was traveling from Sacramento to Washington, D.C., in order to "kill Dr. Fauci."

The man was reportedly in possession of an AR-15 and carried with him a "kill list" that included President Biden and former Presidents Clinton and Obama.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/589249-hot-mic-catches-fauci-calling-gop-senator-a-moron

The whole damn GOP is moronic. They are being led by a MORON. With sycophantic morons all ears deep with their noses in his ass doing his bidding.

Honest question - and yes, I just got a booster shot today - does Fauci own stock in Moderna or phizer?

j/c:

mRNA Vaccine Inventor Issues Warning To Parents: Do Not Give Children ‘Unproven Vaccines’ That May Permanently Damage Organs, Reproductive System, Immunity

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...age-organs-reproductive-system-immunity/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...ne-is-covid-19-antidote/?sh=5fb820ee3735

Odd take.

Brought to you by The Unity Project.........

Working together to STOP COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates for Healthy Children K-12

https://unityprojectonline.com/

This man had no involvement in working on any actual Covid vaccine.

His label as the inventor of the mRNA vaccines has been debunked.

Someone from Congress attacking for conflict of interest? Calling him a moron is letting him off easy. I don't think you can invent more of a "you have no leg to stand on" situation than a person in Congress pointing out a potential conflict of interest.

And then the cherry on top is that a public servant can't pull info that's public knowledge.

Maybe we should overthrow this government. Good grief.

j/c:

Worth noting that Good Morning America apologized for deceptive editing in the above clip - which altered the meaning of the CDC directors words. The full version is now online on the Good Morning America Website

https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-news-edited-out-cdc-directors-answer-vaccine-confusion

‘A Menace to Public Health’: Doctors Demand Spotify Puts an End to Covid Lies on ‘Joe Rogan Experience’
EJ Dickson
Wed, January 12, 2022, 12:56 PM
joe-rogan - Credit: Mike Roach/Zuffa LLC/Zuffa LLC/Getty Images
joe-rogan - Credit: Mike Roach/Zuffa LLC/Zuffa LLC/Getty Images
As an infectious disease epidemiologist and research fellow at Boston’s Children’s Hospital who debunks health misinformation on Instagram —where she has more than 380,000 followers — Jessica Malaty Rivera regularly receives tips from her followers about viral content to debunk. A few weeks ago, her followers started sending her a link to an episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the most popular podcast in the world. The episode was an interview with Dr. Robert Malone, a virologist who touts himself as one of the architects of mRNA technology.

Rivera was familiar with Rogan, as well as Malone. She knew that Malone had been banned from Twitter for promoting Covid-19 misinformation, and that he had been making the rounds in conservative media circles undermining the efficacy of the vaccine. When she watched the interview, she was horrified to see that he espoused various conspiratorial and baseless beliefs, from the idea that “mass formation psychosis” is responsible for people believing in the efficacy of vaccines; to the claim popular among anti-vaxxers that hospitals are financially incentivized to falsely diagnose Covid-19 deaths. The episode featuring Malone went viral, and was shared widely in right-wing media circles as well as on Facebook, where the link on Spotify has been shared nearly 25,000 times, according to CrowdTangle data.


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Yet Rivera was even more horrified to discover that people in her life, whom she considered to be “quite wise and discerning,” were hoodwinked by Malone’s patina of academic credibility, considering his views on the vaccine legitimate. “When I saw they were falling victim to this, I spoke to some colleagues and we said something has to be done at this point,” she says.

Rivera is one of 270 doctors, physicians, and science educators who signed an open letter calling on Spotify, which obtained exclusively streaming rights to the Joe Rogan Experience in a reported $100 million deal, to take action against misinformation on the platform, such as that contained in the interview with Malone. “With an estimated 11 million listeners per episode, JRE, which is hosted exclusively on Spotify, is the world’s largest podcast and has tremendous influence,” the letter reads. “Spotify has a responsibility to mitigate the spread of misinformation on its platform, though the company presently has no misinformation policy.”

The letter was initially appended with a lengthy fact-check of all of the claims presented in Malone’s interview with Rogan, from the “mass formation psychosis” supposition to Malone’s claim that the Biden administration is suppressing evidence supporting the efficacy of ivermectin as a Covid-19 treatment. “People who don’t have the scientific or medical background to recognize the things he’s saying are not true and are unable to distinguish fact from fiction are going to believe what [Malone is] saying, and this is the biggest podcast in the world. And that’s terrifying,” says Dr. Ben Rein, a neuroscientist at Stanford University who co-authored the letter with Rivera and other doctors and educators.

The Malone segment is far from the first time Rogan has been accused of platforming misinformation on his podcast. In an April 23, 2021 episode, for instance, Rogan actively discouraged young people from getting the vaccine, saying in a conversation with comedian Dave Smith, “if you’re like 21 years old, and you say to me, ‘Should I get vaccinated?’ I’ll go no.'”

Rogan has also promoted taking ivermectin to treat Covid-19 symptoms, despite the fact that there is no evidence to support ivermectin’s efficacy as a treatment and that ingesting it can lead to such side effects as dizziness and uncontrolled vomiting. “This doctor was saying ivermectin is 99 percent effective intreating Covid, but you don’t hear about it because you can’t fund vaccines when it’s an effective treatment,” he said on the same April episode of his podcast, as Rolling Stone previously reported. “I don’t know if this guy is right or wrong. I’m just asking questions.” Rogan has also platformed many discredited physicians and academics who have spoken out against the vaccine, such as Dr. Peter McCullough, a cardiologist who inaccurately claimed that COVID-19 vaccines are “experimental” and that the pandemic was “planned.”

Katrine Wallace, PhD, an epidemiologist at University of Illonis Chicago School of Public Health, says that she considers Rogan “a menace to public health” for continuously platforming anti-vaccine ideology to his enormous audience. “Having things like this on the Joe Rogan podcast gives a platform to these people and makes it a false balance. This is what really bothers me,” she tells Rolling Stone. “These are fringe ideas not backed in science, and having it on a huge platform makes it seem there are two sides to this issue. And there are really not. The overwhelming evidence is the vaccine works, and it is safe.”

Although many have criticized Spotify for hosting Rogan on its platform, the open letter to Spotify does not request that Rogan’s show be taken off Spotify, nor does it demand that Spotify remove the Malone episode in particular. Rather, it is calling on Spotify to develop a comprehensive policy prohibiting misinformation. “Any podcast that platforms dangerous people, people spreading dangerous ideas and misinformation, should not be allowed to go unchecked on the Spotify platform,” says Abbie Richards, a researcher specializing in misinformation. Richards gave Rein the idea of penning an open letter to Spotify when he approached her with his concerns over the Malone episode. “We’re not focused on something as small as just one episode or Rogan. They need to implement a policy and carry it out.”

Though Spotify does not appear to have a clear policy regarding misinformation in its terms of service, in the past the platform has removed episodes containing misinformation regarding vaccines. “Spotify prohibits content on the platform which promotes dangerous false, deceptive, or misleading content about Covid-19 that may cause offline harm and/or pose a direct threat to public health. When content that violates this standard is identified it is removed from the platform,” it said in a statement to the Verge last April. But it has been reluctant to take action against Rogan’s podcast, which reaches an estimated 11 million people per episode; nor does it include a warning label regarding potential misinformation on any podcast episodes. Spotify did not immediately return Rolling Stone‘s requests for comment.

Considering the size of Rogan’s audience, as well as the staggering reported value of his contract with the platform, not everyone involved with the open letter is convinced that Spotify will ever be willing to take a stand on his content. Yet Rivera believes Spotify has an enormous ethical obligation to do so. “Considering their role in society is disseminating content, there is a responsibility in a global public health emergency to not exacerbate the problem,” she says. “We have an infodemic going on that is prolonging the pandemic and it is causing people to make bad choices and actually die. These are preventable illnesses that folks like Joe Rogan and Dr. Robert Malone are directly responsible for.”


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/menace-public-health-doctors-demand-175632904.html

I'm golden then. Thanks.

Saw this, however, the reason for posting this has nothing to do with information missing in ABC's clip.

Jc

Yesterday we lost 1800 Americans to Covid. Been average around 1400 a day.

Guess nobody really cares about it.

Supposedly, the vast majority of those deaths are the unvaccinated. So if I'm being completely honest, it is kinda hard to drum up sympathy.

Pretty much my attitude. You make a choice, you live with the choice however it goes.

It's obvious the vaccine doesn't prevent the spread. It just keeps you from getting as sick.

I wonder why then so many pot smokers get Covid?

Do they? I just haven't seen any stats on the matter, but I don't scour the stats the way some do.

I am not so much questioning you. Just curious. Is it at some dipropionate rate? Not that I am going to rant on the legalities of pot smoking.

I know several who have. Proportionally about the same as those who do not. But in regards to the above indication that it does, they seem to be walking that back.

No, Smoking Marijuana Does Not Protect You From Covid-19

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisr...otect-you-from-covid-19/?sh=6016ed2d4eee

I think people just jumped to the conclusion about smoking. Without reading the article. Surprise surprise surprise. There are 60 cannabinioid compounds in cannabis/hemp. Most people only think of THC and maybe CBD. There’s a bunch of others. Some only really uptake digestively. They’re lost when burned. It’s some of those types of compounds that they’re finding as effective measures against COVID.

True story, during the early stages of COVID, like July/August 2020, I was at an event, everyone had their masks and were seated apart outdoors. But then someone broke out a pipe, and a bunch of them started passing it around, removing their masks to take a hit.

I know for sure, that 3 of the 5 or 6 I saw do it ended up getting COVID shortly after. You just can't fix stupid.

I think the word "effective" is subjective.

j/c...

The cannabis compounds found to fight-off covid are precursors to the cannabinoids released when smoking marijuana. The simple act of "smoking" transforms these acids. With that said, the primary result of this breakthrough (in my mind) is another feather in the hat for further experimentation with CBG-A.

CBG-A (Cannabigerol) is the precursor for many cannabinoids (including THC, the one that gets you high), it's been called the 'Stem Cell' Of Cannabinoids and the The Mother Cannabinoid. Sparse research has shown it to help with a large number of diseases and disorders. It's also been proven, in limited studies to be a Neuroprotectant; effectively reducing inflammation, oxidative stress, and the expression of problematic proteins implicated in neuroinflammation. Neuroinflammation has been implicated in an array of disorders including schizophrenia, autism spectrum disorder, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, and multiple sclerosis.

It has to be harvested when the plant is very young, making it a very expensive proposition. As the concentration of THC-A and CBD-A go up, the concentration of CBG-A goes way down. A grower is effectively sacrificing all the profit of other cannabinoids by harvesting a very small amount of CBG-A, while the plant is at a young age. Due to the difficulty of getting CBG, cannabis growers have been experimenting with cross-breeding and genetic manipulation to help cannabis plants produce more CBG.

We're at the starting gate of unlocking the "miracles" with many of the compounds found in cannabis. Hopefully the constant (although limited) "proof" drives more experimentation.

A reasonable, well thought-out response.

j/c...

My personal "wow, that's crazy" covid story.

I recently survived another bout with covid. First time (Thanksgiving '20) I lost my sense of taste and smell for weeks. After a couple of weeks, I joined a FB group and read the horror stories of many people who have never recovered and regained normal function. Or even worse, people whose senses had gone haywire: stories of coffee smelling like cat p*ss a year later, milk smells like laundry detergent, etc...

In my own experience, even after regaining taste, my sense of smell took quite a while to recover. Even after it returned, I would wake up one day (extending over months) and smell diesel fuel all day... at the beginning it would last for a few days, later, maybe just a few hours. I was pretty puzzled, if not intrigued, by the psychology behind it. I remember, a couple weeks into the first covid experience, my wife asked if I wanted Chik-fil-a... I thought "why, I won't taste it anyway". That day, I intently imagined what it tasted like as I took each bite... ithe strategy seemed to work. I continued that practice at every meal and my senses returned in no time.

Fast-forward to this recent bout. About the time I was sure I had it, I remember stopping cold in my tracks and thinking "Whoooah, I better not lose my senses again!" I didn't... they became enhanced... Peeling an orange, the smell was literally overwhelming. The taste was nearly intoxicating -- way too much flavor. A couple days later, my wife was making coffee, I smelled the coffee from thirty feet away, but strangely, also smelled chocolate. "Why do I smell chocolate? Didn't you just make coffee??" She responded, "I don't know, oh wait, I did just open the bag of Chips Ahoy?" No lie, I smelled the chocolate chips in the cookies from thirty feet away.

The keen sense of smell waned on about the same curve as the covid symptoms. Sadly, I "smell" like a mere mortal once again.

I am glad you guys are doing well, scary times.

Tell us more about those chips ahoy cookies...

It must really suck to lose a super power.


Glad you're well now.

In some other thread I posted about my experiences with covid. I feel very fortunate - minimal symptoms this last time. But, I forgot to mention loss of taste and smell, both times I've had it.

However, knowing I had it - and despite not wanting food - I did eat. Basically forced myself to take in calories. Even drank beer. Just because.

A local nurse friend of mine had said "most of the patients we get come in around day 7-10, and most have covid pneumonia." So, I marked off when my days 7-10 would be.

I can't stand to watch t.v., so I had plenty of time to read on line. Bad move. I decided (most people that die generally die within 2 weeks of being hospitalized) I then told myself "If you're in your last 2 weeks of life, ..........have fun. Wrote out lists of important things for my wife to know. (life insurance, lock box at the bank key, etc......just things she really never has dealt with.)" I avoided people, obviously. And my wife never has had covid. (knock on wood)

Yeah bro, this crap will stop you dead in your tracks and make you reconsider life and "living". We've done a lot of things to inform each other of our "wishes" should anything real bad happen. Stuff like "wow, we haven't looked at our Will in fifteen years, may be a good time to revisit that". Obviously, you can't live in fear, but covid has put a lot of things in their proper perspective.

Thanks 40 and Clem... I'm fine.

Unfortunately, we can't say the same for another family member.

My wife's aunt and uncle got "long covid" about six weeks ago. He was a rollercoaster, she seemed pretty stable for about two weeks. Just about the time he was getting "better" she got worse. Developed "thrush" and was rushed to the hospital when her breathing was really bad. Oxygen saturation in the mid-seventies. A two-day stint in the hospital with steroid treatments and she seemed fine. Her daughter-in-law talked about her being in a "covid fog" while this was going on... couldn't remember things, had trouble figuring out how to use her phone, etc...

My wife talked to her one day -- everything normal; a couple days later she was short and didn't seem to want to talk, stopped returning text messages, her husband said that she was suddenly very "paranoid".

Last week she woke in the night and started yelling at him. She said she couldn't sleep and went in the other room. When he woke, he couldn't find her... marched around the house yelling her name -- no response. Saw her car was there and finally ventured to the basement. She was sitting in a chair staring into space. She looked at him like she'd never seen him before and went racing out of the house. Twenty-some degrees and snowing, she ran away from home in her socks and nightgown. Police found her on the playground at the local school. She's been under psychiatric evaluation for five days now and the medical professionals are telling us about strange links to dementia and covid "triggering" what would usually happen much later in life.

She's 67 and very "healthy". She's also the type of person anyone could see being a life-long friend within ten minutes of meeting her. This is absolutely breaking our hearts right now...

I always feel selfish even asking... but if you're the praying type... please lift her up.

Don"t ever apologize or feel selfish asking for prayers.

From NPR reporting, the court didn't say that a mandate could be implemented; it said that OSHA could not set the mandate-it should come from congress.

Congress is never going to vote yes on a mandate-so we will continue to have death and despair.

On a side note, I was out tonight to pick up some items at the grocery store and stopped at another store earlier in the week in Boardman-some of the stores seem to be more barren now than what they were at the beginning of the pandemic. I asked somebody in the store-they said they are having tons of issues with orders not getting filled and people to deliver them

Sorry to hear about your wife's aunt. She certainly has my prayers.

j/c:

Catching a common cold may protect you from getting Covid because T-cells can ward it off, another study finds

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-getting-Covid-study-finds.html#comments

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I had a cold from hell several weeks ago. Had to take off two days from work because my nose was running like a faucet. You know your cold is bad when Sudafed doesn't work! Anyhow, I took a Covid test then, came back negative.

The last two or three weeks a LOT of people have gotten Covid at Amazon, where I work. Some of them who tested positive are in my work area every day. I'm very surprised I haven't gotten it yet. Now I know what might be the reason (see headline)?

A study based on 52 people? Good Lord man.

Our local hospital

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio (WKBN)- Mercy Health is reporting their highest hospitalizations during the pandemic.

Coronavirus in Ohio Saturday update: ODH backlog results in 50K cases reported
This may disrupt some services.

Mercy Health is seeing our highest number of COVID-19 hospitalizations since the start of the pandemic. Given the current volume in our communities and the severe strain on our staff and facilities, we are enacting crisis standards of care across our footprint. This does not mean that we provide lower standards of care, rather, that we evaluate and prioritize essential procedures and allocate resources and staff as needed to ensure our patients and communities receive the compassionate care they need.

While we are taking these extraordinary steps to best serve our patients during this crisis period, the health and safety of our patients and employees remains our priority.

Check with the hospital to see if this impacts you.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/coronavirus/mercy-health-adjusting-policy-for-patient-services/

Georgia's spike is already going down.

LOl...while hardly conclusive, I guess all studies start somewhere.

almost hit 2k deaths yesterday.

its cool though cause wearing a mask and getting vaxxed is dumb. im a patriot, i only care about myself.

Would this have all counted as misinformation?

Our kids had to stay home from school last Friday. We drop them off at school but there weren’t enough bus drivers supposedly from a COVID surge.

Just got another box of 50 KN95s in the mail yesterday for personal use. The world is filled with plague rats. I don’t go out in public without one on my face.
For work it’s N95s all day. Omicron continues to rip through the long term care facilities where I see clients. What a mess.

Some of it, yes (what would you expect from an outlet like MSNBC?). Look, I've said before that I'm generally not a fan of some of the tactics the CDC has taken (generally NOT communicating like they're talking to adults), but there is still a difference between misinformation and reserving the right to get smarter. Looking at the dates on many of the 'gotcha' clips on there, I would put many of those into the latter bucket.

What’s frustrating to me is people still watch the news, both sides, for information. Meanwhile the studies clearly show wearing the proper masks, KN95s or N95s, is the best measure to take to protect yourself. They’re now easy to order… yet here we are as a people squabbling over what Fauci, or Tucker, or Maddows, or or or says…

Get the proper masks. Wear them. It’s not rocket surgery.

I thought it was kind of cool - Intooknmy mom to the bank when I was in Cleveland for the holidays and they had a basket of free KN95s in there that you could just take. Encouraging to see that after the way everything started initially (shortages and whatnot).

Some people can't wrap their minds around how different strains of the virus act in different ways and as such what worked well for one variant doesn't apply for the next variant. They try to use people's lack of that understanding to label what was said in the past as misinformation. Quite sad really.

Some people can't wrap their minds around “ORANGE MAN LIED!”

The part that scares me the most is that when he eventually said vaccines and boosters are good, his acolytes turned on him. That train really got off the tracks.

I think that DeSantis smells blood in the water, too, based upon all the recent reports coming out. I feel like that could go one of two ways: they eventually feud with each other, which I don’t know what will do to the current dynamic on the far right, or DeSantis will pull a hostile takeover and Trump will save face by saying that he made DeSantis what he is.

DeSantis, to me, is actually more scary if the two. He’s not as belligerent, but he’s much more intelligent and polished as a politician. The way he prevented local governments from enacting laws as they saw fit shows that he’s one of those Big C conservatives who bases his ideology on populism and opportunism, and not on actual conservative ideals.

To Trump’s credit, he did help put DeSantis on the map, and it looks like DeSantis might go full Lord Baelish on him now.

Also, to Trump’s credit, he said that politicians who won’t reveal their vaccine status are gutless. I agree with him there. DeSantis is one of those politicians, and we (objective thinkers) all know why.

https://www.jmbullion.com/020-2-oz-...vnG-DT2qws8QxqjTGw9Pk6ptGqQaAnK9EALw_wcB

This is stupid. Who would buy this? If I'm buying silver, I'm buying something pleasant.

Lol. I collect silver. I typically only buy art bars or rounds when my dealer will give them to me at the same price as equally weighted bullion/rounds. My dealer is cool so I’ve landed quite a few cool pieces over the years. If this one was presented I’d buy it. It’s oddity makes it kinda stand out. Stacking nothing but bullion can get boring at times.

You do you. I guess it could be appealing because you work in healthcare. For me, I would be drawn to animal art silver. Especially privys.

https://www.covidtests.gov/

Get your free home covid test.

Credit where credit is due.

Good tune, thanks for posting. Hope faith gets you through… intelligence sure as hell isn't going to.

I agree w/ Clay. I, too, was surprised at the large applause by the audience due to the political leanings pf those Bill attracts to see his show.

And I agree with Bari.

Most people are done with this....on the left, the right, and in-between..... even if they won't publicly say it.

That’s cute. You may be done with it but I assure you it’s not done with us. I was in front of more COVID cases this week than I’ve been since early 2020. Granted the acuity of illness is lower for most, it’s not for all. It’s now ripping through my hospice coworkers. Which sucks for them and their family. It also sucks for me because I’m only one of two healthy nurses on our team. I’m running my ass off everyday filling the void.
Yeah, I’m ‘over it’ too. I wish I had the luxury of acting like it doesn’t exist. Must be nice to be blind to reality.

yesterday 2100 people died of covid. but i guess since americans are done with covid, the virus is just gonna pack up and head on out now, huh.

the logic of some people breaks my brain. nothing but 404 error codes.

I think the above sums it up.

Personally, think it would suck to be a hospice nurse with or without Covid looming...I can't begin to imagine. But they're in hospice care for a reason, unfortunately. It could easily be pneumonia or something else that takes them as a result of why they are there in the first place. Call it heartless, immune to feelings, whatever. I really don't give a [censored]. It's the truth. Also, I think one talking about all these Covid deaths witnessed from the terminally ill as a baseline for the entire population is misleading due to the unfortunate circumstances for those people. But to each their own.

The vast majority of the even relatively healthy people will be fine and the data is showing this more and more. The number of recorded deaths FROM Covid, as opposed to WITH Covid, is becoming more and more unreliable as this information is finally being shared. The fact schools continue to do any variation of what Flint is doing is despicable, especially for our impoverished communities. Kids often times get their healthy meals ONLY at school, their necessary socialization skills, not to mention the education and retention of learning better provided at school than at home. Parents in impoverished communities on hourly wages have to stay at home with their children as a result cannot earn income. This is devastating for single parent households. The ripple effect financially, mentally, socially, etc. is terrible.

All this done for the safest age demographic against Covid and we know schools aren't the super spreaders "experts" claimed them to be.

The virtue signaling surrounding Covid is laughable at this point. I mean we had a turd on here tell everyone they needed to wear masks (not even N95s, just any type) but he even said he doesn't wear masks at the grocery store or Home Depot because they have, and I quote, "high ceilings." What a joke.

Get vaccinated (I am), or don't... I really don't care. It doesn't prevent one from getting Covid, again, like the "experts" said. Live your life. You might get sick from it, but the numbers show probably will not die FROM it. If you have other underlying illnesses that might exacerbate Covid (or you are older) and the death rate possibility, take extra care but many things can get you more sick at those states, not just Covid.

And yes, most people are done with this regardless of political leanings. And the fact people have continued to reference the political leaning of people's opinions on Covid is oh so very telling, sadly.

She made some good points and articulated some of the issues well. She also made some glaringly wrong statements and leaped to conclusions that aren't justified.

"A pandemic of Bureaucracy" -- I mean that is a great sound bite. I mean as bad as "defund the police" - this is like the opposite. It's great. The trouble is that's a complete and total lie. 5.6 Million dead around the globe - a number most probably grossly under counted. That's not Bureaucracy.

Did the scientists get some things wrong? Did they underestimate how quickly the virus could mutate? Sure. Is that bad? Is that something to be used to then promote irresponsible behavior? Not to me - Everything about Covid 19 was new. Am I angry that at one time media and "science" said to wipe down your groceries? Or to wear a mask? No. You try to take the best precautions you can based on what you think. Was it an inconvenience? Pffft - mildly. If you think wearing a mask in public spaces is a terrible infringement on your right - your an ass. If you think you have the moral high ground because cloth masks aren't effective? You are wrong and still an ass. (not you Memphis - 'you' in general).

I went back to England last November - just like here, the news and radio was 90% Covid. What was taking up at least 50% of the air time was the emotional and phycological impact of isolation, remote schooling, increased suicide rates, increased self harm ... everything related to the lockdown. That's all real and a problem to overcome and address. But the simplistic "I'm done with Covid" is short sighted and as someone just said, Covid isn't done with us. I had a healthy if overweight friend die this last week - no pre-existing conditions. Under 50. Two kids under 12. He's one of thousands that Covid wasn't and won't be over with. There's 100's thousands in the coming months that Covid isn't over with either.

I won’t go line by line. Just know that though I’m a hospice nurse I go into care homes to see my clients where they live with other people who aren’t on hospice. Ages ranging from the 60’s up typically. So yes, my clients are fragile. Those that they live around are often ‘healthy’ elderly folks. They’re all getting COVID.
One of the nurse’s I work with, younger than me, was hospitalized with COVID. Yes, she likely won’t die, but she’s about to get a massive bill in the mail. That’ll be fun, huh.

Look, I don’t want COVID. I don’t want the flu. I don’t want a cold. Being sick sucks. Missing work sucks. Being ill and getting those around you in your life ill sucks.

I don’t need the news or the CDC or anyone else to tell me what I know. I’m sick of COVID, but there’s not a chance in hell anyone is coming onto my home. Nor will I enter anyone else’s. I’ll be wearing a KN95 or better masks in public for the long foreseeable future.

You do you. Maybe you won’t die. Maybe you’ll just end up with a $20,000+ bill from the hospital.

Me? I’m keeping diligent. There’s too many of you that think it’s time to act like it’s gone.

Insanity.

It doesn't sum anything up. American deaths from Covid have risen from 1300 a day to over 2000 a day in less than a month. No matter who throws a tantrum about it doesn't change that.

We can't vaccinate our way out of this

Lockdowns only work until they end. Keeping society locked up forever is not feasible

Vaccine passports don't work.

Whats the solution?

In 2020, about 2.6 million Americans died from something other than covid. I never hear a peep from anyone about that. The world is filled with disease and other things that can kill us. Covid is another thing added to the list. If someone has a feasible solution to eradicate covid, I'm all ears. Given that's unlikely, reality is, covid is here to stay and we need to learn to live with it.

On some level I agree.
Though if you act like it’s nothing you may need to ‘learn to die from it’.
I’ll keep social distancing and masking. Too many willing human Petri dishes in the country to do anything else.
Darwin can decide the rest.

I think you at least have to be consistent.

If people are refusing the vaccine, they shouldn’t complain if their companies raise their health insurance premiums, especially when it’s backed by statistics. You are presenting yourself as a higher risk for a crap ton of expenses in the ER. That exact thing happened to my sister.

I could go on and on, but I think my biggest qualm with people who “want to be done” or don’t want to be vaccinated is that they are also the ones who go into the ER screaming for help or also protest against their employee contributions getting raised. That puts the rest of us, especially people like Portland and JFan, in bad spots.

Yeah, deaths that can easily be prevented is the difference. I know that doesn't mean much to some. You are correct that we can't vaccinate our way out of Covid. But we can vaccinate our way out of 90% of deaths from Covid. Now if we could only vaccinate our way out of 90% of gun deaths, cancer, automobile accidents and......

Oh that's right, we can't.

jc

As a side note. Got my Moderna booster yesterday morning at 10. By 3pm I was out on the couch. Slept for a couple hours. Then, like the last two times, I was up all night. Insomnia. Even my Ambien couldn’t put me down.
So today feel like a little slice of hell. Still didn’t stop me from coming to my shop. I can weld and feel awful. At least I’m welding…

So you're saying if everyone was vaccinated there would be no deaths.

What's more troubling is this ongoing narrative that "90% of the deaths are unvaccinated". I don't know where it originated, I only know it was latched on to and repeated ad nauseam... and continues to this day.

Do you trust "science" and the CDC? Here's their report... released yesterday.

Here's the latest from the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm?s_cid=mm7104e2_w

Here's the accompanying chart:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm?s_cid=mm7104e2_w#T2_down


Here are the numbers, for those who don't want to click...


OCT / NOV DEATHS:

Unvaccinated: 1,108,298
Vaccinated with or without booster: 670,774


DECEMBER DEATHS:

Unvaccinated: 1,061,684
Vaccinated with or without booster: 925,999


Can you please tell me how a near 50/50 split still equals "90%"?

Ah I see. You don't know the difference between partially vaccinated and being fully vaccinated.

CDC Finds Unvaccinated 11 Times More Likely to Die of COVID

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...ted-11-times-more-likely-to-die-of-covid

CDC: Boosters 90 percent effective against hospitalization from omicron

https://www.localsyr.com/health/cor...ve-against-hospitalization-from-omicron/

Ummm, so the report from the CDC from yesterday is FALSE?

I just reported the numbers...

Here, I'll do it again, just in case you actually want to respond to the facts:

OCT / NOV DEATHS:

Unvaccinated: 1,108,298
Vaccinated with or without booster: 670,774


DECEMBER DEATHS:

Unvaccinated: 1,061,684
Vaccinated with or without booster: 925,999


Can you please tell me how a near 50/50 split still equals "90%"?


Also, if you can explain how vaccination will prevent 90% of the deaths, as you stated, that will be interesting as well.

The article I posted was from yesterday and quoted the CDC as well. Your "with or without booster" along with no mention of "fully vaccinated" may help explain it. A person with one Covid shot has been vaccinated, just not fully vaccinated. But just keep denying the effectiveness of the vaccines. I mean that helps so many people.

They were all fully vaccinated!

People who only had one shot were counted as unvaccinated!

Look at the charts... FULLY VACCINATED / UNVACCINATED.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm?s_cid=mm7104e2_w#T2_down

Here is the CDC report from yesterday as it pertains to The United States.

COVID-NET: Hospitalization Rates by Vaccination Status in Adults

CDC’s Coronavirus Disease 2019-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) shows that rates of COVID-19-associated hospitalizations in December 2021 were markedly higher in unvaccinated adults compared to fully vaccinated adults who have received additional or booster doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. Among adults ages 50–64 years, the COVID-19-associated hospitalization rate in December among unvaccinated persons was 44 times higher than among those who were fully vaccinated and received an additional or booster dose. Among adults ages 65 years and older, compared to persons who were fully vaccinated and received an additional or booster dose, rates of COVID-19-associated hospitalizations were 49 times higher among unvaccinated adults.

What you are doing is using GLOBAL numbers, not AMERICAN numbers. In many parts of the world vaccines are being used that are not even approved here. Just look at your December death count. There haven't even been 900k deaths from Covid in America, much less in a month. We have very high standards for which vaccines have been approved in America. That's the biggest difference.

Would you actually find numbers for America if that's the point you're trying to make?

Oh boy, now somehow the rest of the world is taking the wrong vaccine. Enough to change your "90%" to 50/50 Gotcha.

Meanwhile: Pfizer is available in 134 countries, J&J in 105 and Moderna in 85.

It's all those "fringe" vaccines doing all the killing.


Still no word on preventing 90% of the deaths?

Also, your CDC report mashes all the numbers from August through December. It's quite obvious that Omicron was a game changer, that report even acknowledges the vast disparity and cites incomplete data during Omicron as a limitation in the study.

As another limitation, they cite: Second, the median interval from receipt of dose 3 to medical encounters was 41–44 days... In many of their studies they publish, they only examine patients that have received the booster within the last 30 days, it helps sway the numbers. I guess this is at least more realistic.

So I ask? Are you going out to get a booster every 45 days? If not, these numbers actually mean nothing to you in your everyday life.

This statement tells me you COULDN’T be a hospice nurse. You lack any empathy. It’s sad… and a little gross.
I think it’s an honor to be a hospice nurse. I get to help people step away from their mortal coil. It’s actually kind of beautiful in many ways. I don’t expect you to understand… at all.

You're looking at the table in the CDC link incorrectly. Those are not the total number of deaths, they are the total number of Covid cases reported. Nearly 2 million deaths in 1 month would be insane!

Scroll down the Table and it states "Covid-19 Associated Deaths"

For Oct/Nov the death totals were:

Unvaccinated:16,527 (10,006 were over the age of 65)
Fully Vaccinated (no bootser): 5,493 (4,710 were over the age of 65)
Fully Vaccinated with booster: 285 (242 were over the age of 65)

Wow. I'm an idiot.

I can't believe I just bypassed the enormity of those numbers without giving it a second thought. I guess I was just blown away by how close they were.

That said, A 3 to 1 difference is obviously no where near the "90%" we keep hearing, but definitely drastically different that what I was promoting. Now I also see they didn't publish December deaths, only hospitalizations. It will be interesting to see if the comparison gap closes in deaths the way it did in hospitalizations.


*Pit - my bad bro, I was feeding you info for hospitalizations and not deaths.

what the hell are you talking about?

the country is ALWAYS talking about other ways americans are dying.

gun violence
heart disease
drug addiction
suicides
cancer
DUI's
texting and driving.

like seriously what kind of nonsense is running through your brain right now?

americans are always talking about deaths that can be preventable and how to lower the risk. yes, there are certain acceptable risk we all take everyday, such as walking across the street, hitting a deer on the highway, slip and fall in the shower, etc

but "i never hear a peep" line gotta be the most brain dead sentence in this thread so far.

i swear people's answers to everything is just "eh, whatever"

whatever moral code that belongs to, keep me far away from it.

My wife works for UC Health, and their CEO presents the numbers weekly to their employees. Last time I heard it from her office (about a month ago) he said hospitalizations followed that same 90/10 or 80/20 split.

I don't have a link, that's just what I heard from the main hospital network here in Cinci (translation: fwiw).

In Colorado it's down to 66/33 split (from 90/10 back in November).

Does anyone under the age of 40 even care about covid anymore? After omni ripped through cleveland... nearly everyone i know got it... it seems like everyone stopped caring because it was so mild. In Florida, or South Carolina no one wears masks either.

People still wear masks in Georgia.

About 2000 people a day are dying. My guess is their families care deeply.

YES

j/c

John Stockton Loses Gonzaga Season Tickets Over Mask Mandate

John Stockton, the former Utah Jazz player and one of Gonzaga University’s basketball team’s most famous alumni, has lost his season tickets to home games after a disagreement with the university’s athletics department over its mask mandate. “Basically, it came down to, they were asking me to wear a mask to the games and being a public figure, someone a little bit more visible, I stuck out in the crowd a little bit,” Stockton said. “And therefore they received complaints and felt like from whatever the higher-ups—those weren’t discussed, but from whatever it was higher up – they were going to have to either ask me to wear a mask or they were going to suspend my tickets.” Stockton has taken a very public stance against pandemic safety measures and has spread extensive misinformation around the COVID-19 virus, including the bogus claims that possibly millions of people have died from vaccines, including more than 100 professional athletes. He is one of two players for whom Gonzaga has retired jersey numbers and he remains the NBA’s all-time leader in assists and steals.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-...HZgaUf1Zo3uyfGio0jtixXfmNbVV7bAD0Yj7slxo

This is patently false. And I would appreciate you ask for clarification on my comments before going down this route.

But you're right. I couldn't be a hospice nurse. I do not think I could mentally handle the repetitive end of existence of those I would come across over and over again. It would be hard for me to not to develop some sort of relationship treating each person only to see them routinely extinguished due to their disease state. That would feel terrible and it would weigh greatly on me. I'm not sure I could handle that, admittedly.

But yeah, it's because of a lack of empathy.

I called it what it is, lack of empathy.
Why are you even responding? I thought you really didn’t give a [censored].

Yeah, you might want to re-read that portion and perhaps include more of the quote that is specifically referencing Covid vs any other disease that could take a person. Because so many people push Covid opposed to something else and that is the "story' these days, that's why I said I'm immune to the feelings of others--not the situation of the patient. But, again, you are right. I don't know what I am responding.

How many of those "other diseases" can you simply take vaccines to greatly reduce your risk of death? That's the actual story here.

https://news.yahoo.com/more-americans-died-covid-2021-190020185.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

More people have died from covid under Biden than Trump. Despite vaccines being available in 2021.

As of the time of this post, I have not yet personally died of covid 19.
The point is, if everyone would ask themselves, are you better off today,
Are you better off Today than you were 23 days ago, at the start of 2022, at the end of 2021.
Are you better off Today, than you were 23 days ago, in regards to Covid 19?

Is the USA's strategy, is our Health systems strategy for 2022, in the last 23-24 days, the year 2022 is nearly 1/12th over, how has 2022 been for you personally?
Just, in general, just everybody.

What I Can say, is, as of the time of this post, I had not yet personally died of Covid 19, so there's that. Look on the bright side I guess.

j/c:

I’ll keep wearing KN95 or N95. Dr Prasad can catch my cases of COVID for me if he’s so eager to do so.
Enjoy.

Not only are we "allowed" to wear N95's right now, but it's also possible to find them online for cheap (gotta watch out for fakes, though... yes, people suck).

I gotta say, though. I was on a flight and decided it would be a good idea to up my mask game for that... wearing a respirator on a plane SUCKED. And it's not like I'm in poor health or anything. Just wearing that thing in an environment like a plane made it really hard to breathe comfortably.

I wear N95 on planes. From my research the real ‘danger’ times on a plane are when your sitting on the tarmac. The hepa filters don’t recycle cabin air through them then. That’s why you can smell jet fuel. They pump in air from the outside but it goes unfiltered.
Once in the air the cabin air is exchanged very frequently. Sitting near the window is safer as the circulated air moves past you there. The isle seats are more ‘dangerous’ as you have people (Petri dishes) walking past you regularly.
The way I see it is any flight under 4 hours means no need to eat or drink. Just sit back and get through it. Flights over 4-5 hours, I’ll get a coke or whatever. Slide my mask down long enough to sip it, then mask up. Repeat until done. The bag of pretzels can wait. I mean if eating a bag of pretzels is more important than your health then you’ve got an eating disorder. Lol.

I was just surprised how hard it was to breathe comfortably with that thing on.

They are tough. I can’t imagine having to wear one for entire shifts.

What pisses me off about Dr Prasad’s Twitter rant was his general dismissal of masks. He could have used his platform to encourage use of proper masks in certain settings. Knowing full well that wearing proper masks would lower the rate of community transmission. Instead he dismisses their use all together. Screw that guy.

I haven't conducted any formal studies or anything, but I do know this. My kids' school experienced a growing outbreak a few months back after the mask mandate was removed. Following the outbreak, students were again required to wear masks, and the number of new cases dropped dramatically. Take it for what it's worth.

Most of them are anti vaxxers. Biden can't fix stupid.

You found a fool to promote. Good for you. Sadly he goes against people far more experienced in the field than he is. Trying to kill more Americans seem to be popular among some these days.

What is mind numbing is that the vaccine was developed by a Trump initiated program, only to be rejected by his followers...

At some point it may begin to effect the demographics, as the US average age decreased pretty significantly from those who have passed.

I don't have a lot of empathy for those who knowing decided to be an anti-vaccine.. My family included.

But we can fix the Biden problem and defeat the Mandate Nazis. VOTE REPUBLICAN!

Living proof you can’t fix stupid.

j/c:

NY State Supreme Court judge strikes down governor's mask mandate

A New York State Supreme Court judge has struck down Gov. Kathy Hochul's mask mandate for schools and public locations.

According to a court document, Judge Thomas Rademaker said that neither the governor nor the state health commissioner had the authority to enact the mandate without the state legislature, since the governor no longer has emergency powers.

The document says in part, "There can be no question that every person in this State wishes, wants and prays that this era of COVID ends soon and they will surely do their part to see that is accomplished. However, enacting any laws to this end is entrusted solely to the State Legislature. While the intentions of Commissioner Bassett and Governor Hochul appear to be well aimed squarely at doing what they believe is right to protect the citizens of New York State, they must take their case to the State Legislature."

Gov. Hochul issued a statement Monday evening:
"My responsibility as Governor is to protect New Yorkers throughout this public health crisis, and these measures help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and save lives. We strongly disagree with this ruling, and we are pursuing every option to reverse this immediately."

https://bronx.news12.com/ny-state-supreme-court-judge-strikes-down-governors-mask-mandate

So because they feel their thinking is superior to the trash humans they preside over, they ignore the Courts, they ignore the damage they do to children and they continue with the power grab agenda.

Just

Like

Nazis.

LMAO What damage???

j/c:



UK lifts COVID restrictions, says omicron wave ‘has peaked'.
https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...-london-59417842d49e95ef556eb9b0352144dd

Forcing growing and learning children to wear masks stunts their development when it comes to social interaction and learning of facial expressions.

Deaf children can not read lips.

A big part of our own self identity is facial recognition. Todays kids are growing up in a faceless society.

Forcing children to wear masks all day renders the mask useless because of moisture buildup and snot.

Forcing children to grow up in a mask and hand sanitizer world will leave them vulnerable to every cold, flu and other illnesses once those masks come off,
hitting their stunted immune systems.


Still laughing?
There's more.

Do you have a link for that?

You and Memphis promoting higher death rates of Americans. Murica!

j/c:

That's all you can come up with when you're called out for promoting protocols that will lead to more Americans dying? That's some pretty weak sh!+ right there.

No. He was admitting his role as a troll by singing his song for us all.

Eve, this is an example of actual hyperbole… and being totally nuts.

I'm laughing at how weak your antivaxxer, anti-masker, and Trumpian rants are. I guess you have never heard of a thing called the greater good. This anti anything that helps fight this pandemic because an orange fool denied it shtick is getting old as hell for those of us living in reality.

Ten hours worth… talk about overkill.

Forcing a child to wEAR mask. LMFAO you think this hurts children.... damn your so far beyond reality. Sorry my friend but you need serious mental health help.

Exactly... That's exactly what Trumpians "LIKE YOU" are doing.... Trumpians are the true Nazi's of Today.

‘Stealth omicron’ sub-variant found in Santa Clara County

Two cases of omicron BA.2 sub-variant identified

Santa Clara County health officials Tuesday said they have identified two COVID-19 cases of a worrisome sub-lineage of the fast-spreading omicron variant.

Health officials had little information Tuesday about the two cases of the sub-lineage, known as BA.2, and said it’s not yet known whether it is more transmissible or virulent than the dominant omicron sub-lineage, known as BA.1.

“The BA.2 sub-lineage is much rarer, but has begun to pop up in places, including California and Santa Clara County and other places around the world,” Santa Clara County Deputy Health Officer Dr. George Han said Tuesday.

Han said it’s unclear how troubling the new variant might be, and he had little information to share about the two local cases.

“The main thing about this sub-lineage is that because it’s so much less common, we don’t know much about it,” Han said. “Early indications are that it probably behaves much like the omicron BA.1 sub-lineage, but it’s hard to tell because of the small number of cases so far.”

According to the World Health Organization, the omicron variant has four lineages known as B.1.1.529, BA.1, BA.2 and BA.3. While the BA.1 lineage has previously been the most dominant, recent trends from India, South Africa, the United Kingdom and Denmark suggest that BA.2 is increasing in proportion, the WHO said.

“Drivers of transmission and other properties of BA.2 are under investigation but remain unclear to date,” the WHO said in a Jan. 21 update.

BA.2 has been dubbed “stealth omicron” because most Omicron variant sequences include a deletion in the S gene, which can cause what scientists call an “S gene target failure” in PCR tests that has been used to identify variants as omicron. The BA.2 sub-lineage, however, lacks that S gene deletion, the WHO said, so using that S gene target failure to identify omicron might miss the BA.2 lineage.

Han said that the BA.2 sub-lineage can be identified by a full genetic sequencing, which is not commonly done on most virus samples, but was used to identify the Santa Clara County cases.

BA.2 also has been reported in Washington state and Texas. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and California Department of Public Health have not been separately tracking the sub-lineage publicly.

The California Department of Public Health said Tuesday that as of Jan. 24 there were a total of 11 confirmed BA.2 cases in the state.

“New variants will continue to evolve as long as there are large pockets of unvaccinated people,” the department of public health said in a statement. “Strengthening our protection against COVID-19 through vaccination and boosting is more important than ever.”

Denmark’s Staten Serum Institut in Copenhagen last week reported that the proportion of BA.2 cases in the country had risen in just weeks from 20% to 45%, and told the the Washington Post on Monday it now accounts for 65%.

On Friday, the United Kingdom Health Security Agency designated BA.2 a “variant under investigation,” on the basis of “increasing numbers of BA.2 sequences identified both domestically and internationally.”

The Health Security Agency said a total of 40 countries have uploaded 8,040 BA.2 sequences since Nov. 17 and it is unknown where the sub-lineage may have originated. The first sequences were submitted from the Philippines, and most samples have been uploaded from Denmark — 6,411. Other countries that have uploaded more than 100 samples are India (530), Sweden (181), and Singapore (127), the agency said.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/25/stealth-omicron-sub-variant-found-in-santa-clara-county/

Here we go again... wonder what little twist this one has...

Please correct me if I have this wrong....

Despite not knowing very much about this sub-variant, we're worried because the most commonly used tests can't accurately detect which variant it is?

It's not more transmissible/infectious. Not more lethal. And doesn't evade detection (in terms of telling you if you have COVID or not). It's simply a (potential) nightmare for that one column in our spreadsheet?

I think we need to step outside and get some sunshine or something.

I had no idea that with this new variant that we know if it's more lethal, or more transmissible as of yet.

My wife and I stopped watching the news nightly We watch maybe 2 times a week, and I noticed immediately that my wife, who is a germaphobe and gets anxious with COVID news, has been very at ease and relaxed more regularly.

There is very little happening in the world that one needs to be aware of at every minute with instant reporting.

And yet we have groups labeling this sub-variant "stealth omicron", and calling it worrisome.

Before we all get into it... I am well aware that we, as a country, would probably be much better off if more people took the pandemic more seriously. That said, these kinds of articles are nothing short of baseless hysteria. As of now, they've put more effort into coming up with a catchy nickname than they have with figuring out what it is and what it means for us.

Meanwhile, Denmark sports one of the world's highest vaccination rates at 80% I don't think the vaccine will help.

Meanwhile, in Israel, cases have been exploding to the point where 1% of the population tested positive in a single day. They have a vaccination rate of over 90%, a booster rate of over 80%. People are standing in lines for their second booster despite their leaders warning that it is ineffective against all strains. According to Regev-Yochay, the third dose resulted in “much higher antibodies, neutralization and the antibodies were not just higher in quantity but also in quality” than the second dose – but the fourth vaccine did not show significant antibody increase.

Still not going to vaccinate our way out of Covid.

But at least Pfizer is working on a new vaccine for omicron. By the time you get that one, a new strain will reign, but don't worry -- they'll stay ahead of the curve.

Meh, I took it as just another variant being discovered and they are not sure what or if it has any new surprises. And the worry seems to be more that it is new/rare but starting to show up everywhere.

It's like there is a business model embedded in there!

There is! It's called virology. It's a whole field of science. smh

Well, they have plenty of seed capital... The gubment just sent them a check for 5.3 billion -- upfront -- for the new "covid pill".

I heard a saying once - and I couldn't agree with it more: "Cable news networks are doing to parents, what the parents think video games are doing to their kids."

Science says if you create vaccine after vaccine for each strain of covid, we will conquer it??

Nah, that not science says... more like Simon Says.

Funny, I haven't heard that they are creating vaccine after vaccine… That sounds more like Tucker Carlson.

You seem to be confusing, " vaccinating our way out of Covid" with greatly reducing the death count, hospitalizations and long Covid cases.

Infections at record high, hospitalisations low as Omicron sweeps Israel

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...ns-low-omicron-sweeps-israel-2022-01-06/

I would have thought after our last go around that you understood the difference but it seems not.

Yeah, saving lives is such a terrible thing. I can't imagine what you would say if they sat on their hands and did nothing.

Yeah, people who die from Covid and overrunning our hospitals is changing the goal posts in a Covid thread.



Great way to deflect from the human cost of Covid and discussing the most important part of the topic.

I agree that I don't think vaccines will "conquer it," but I do think the vaccines have proven their worth in helping the survivability ratio. From what I also understand, they help prevent the development of variants. Someone like Lyuok would be much better than me at explaining whether that's true or not, but as I understand it from articles like this one, the virus has more opportunities to replicate in unvaccinated individuals, and therefore has more chances to vary itself (hence variant):

https://www.henryford.com/blog/2021/09/get-vaccinated-to-stop-variants

I do think that if everyone took it seriously, got vaccinated and whatnot, that we would have the ability to conquer the vaccine. That's never going to happen though, especially with the divisive political climate that has now attached itself to something that should be completely apolitical. I could cite to one very specific poster on this board as to how out-of-control it has gotten, but I won't. I think it goes without saying, though.

The biggest thing is that I don't know what alternative there is out there. I see a lot of people devoting time to poking holes in the vaccine construct, while offering no other alternatives.

At this point, the best plan I can see toward survivability and combating the virus is to get vaccinated and keep up with the boosters. The counter to that is not getting vaccinated and "risking it" by trying to achieve natural immunity, which would also I think speed up the variant creation, basically making that option impossible, and likely a far worse alternative. Also, if we're looking at that angle through a cost lens (like we are with the money being spent on vaccines), I imagine the impact to health care costs would rise far beyond what is being spent on vaccines.

To that end, I think one of the problems I have with a lot of the anti-vaccine movement is that there is a desire to have one's cake and eat it, too. I'll cite my sister, for example. Her reasons for not getting vaccinated are way-whacky. I won't get into it. I'll just say it's close to the level of that one poster I previously referred to. A few months ago, she was throwing a hissy-fit about her employer stating that employees who were unvaccinated had to pay a higher premium for the company-offered health insurance premiums. All kinds of hysteria about "mah rights" and whatnot. Beginning of last month, she got COVID (Delta), and spent a week in the ER. Can't imagine the bill. She tried all the other solutions, too. Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, I can't remember if there was anything to do with monoclonal antibodies, but I believe there was. Her daughter (vaccinated), tested positive, but was almost entirely asymptomatic. Tested negative a few days later after quarantining.

So, to that end, it bothers me that some people want to exercise their right to live like it's 2019, while then complaining that they have to pay more for health insurance, but then rack up ER costs, which then get passed on to other policy-holders, while also exhausting our frontline healthcare workers, like we see with some of our board members.

It comes down to a diligence and responsibility aspect to me. If you do your due diligence and try to be responsible, then you should be helped out if something goes south. However, if you prioritize your rights and your independence, then you need to take responsibility and deal with the repercussions, and not put it on everyone else.

That's supposed to be moving the goal post? I thought it was a yellow trumpian stick man dodging questions and avoiding truths.

Dude, it it not my fault you are incapable of reading. I've all but given up. I had an inkling to rehash the conversation so that maybe you would understand...

It's not worth it.

You can go on with you sad, tired, low-iq narrative 'til you choke on it for all I care.

DL05, don't bother explaining or bringing facts to the table. Anyone still playing political games when it comes to fighting covid is a lost cause. All the education in the world can't help them.

Did you ask me a question, Bubby?

Neither did Karen... nice try.

No, I asked Pit. But thanks for playing and have a great day.

You forgot to tell Dawglover that he's trying to move the goal posts too. Deaths and hospitalizations seem to mean more to some than others I suppose. And the odd thing about it is that it seems to mean less to those that claim they are "right to lifers". Strange times we live in.

I don't want to disparage anyone - especially Memphis or Fate because I actually like them. Nobody can ever actually change anyone else's mind, but I'm never opposed to having a reasoned discussion back and forth, whether or not we disagree. Sure, barbs get thrown and whatnot, but I usually can ignore that.

Now, on the other hand, there are others who are willfully obtuse and speak only out of fear, rage, or ignorance, with little to no logical basis, and/or extremely closed minds. That gets under my skin as I realize our country is becoming more and more controlled by that mindset, pushing logical minds into the margins.

I'm looking at you, oober

Don't really want to tear your post apart point by point, I'll respond to most of it in order. Great post, btw.

First, the ongoing disclaimer, I've said it a thousand times, but every post being met with "you don't care if people die" (regardless of the context) painting a clear (false) impression...

I've never, ever, ever, ever, (is that enough?) said that people shouldn't get the vaccine, most people should. I've never, ever, ever, disputed the fact that it prevents deaths. The numbers are obvious.


*First the "conquer covid" was in response to the new Pfizer "omicron vaccine". Omicron has already peaked, why would we be paying Pfizer for an omicron vaccine??? Here's why... because it's marketable and profitable. Plain and simple. All you need to sell that to the gubment is "it will save lives". Period.

*The "help prevent variants" is a long-shot if variants continue to act the way omicron has. Although there is no real indication that further variants will.

*Your next point is valid, however, it's the part of the flowchart where Americans seem to disconnect themselves from the ROW... All these variants (every single one, to the best of my knowledge) come from another part of the world. Sure, if we could raise South Africa's vac rate from the high 20's, the Philippines and India above 50%, maybe Omicron BA.2 never happens? But then, to support the argument, you have to totally disregard the fact that omicron gave not one [censored] if you were vaccinated, boosted, or had natural immunity (the black sheep that still gets ignored in every conversation).

*So, on to the black sheep... Our own CDC just reported that natural immunity was better in fighting Delta during the Delta wave -- case rates 6.2 times lower among vaccinated but 29 times lower among unvaccinated with previous infection. I thought it was funny that the only American news outlet to report it was Fox, while news outlets from the ROW reporting our own CDC's facts were everywhere. Studies from all over the globe have been saying that for over a year, we've been sweeping the facts under the rug.

*To your "keep up with boosters" comment. Sure, as long as they are targeted against forthcoming variants before they arrive (an impossibility unless you have a crystal ball). Otherwise, the boosters are also useless, see my previous posts from medical experts in Israel, the highest vaccinated and boostered country on the planet. Second boosters offer all but NO rise in immunity.

*On to the "anti-vax" portion of your comment. Couldn't agree more, at face value. The real problem is that anyone with any kind of differing opinion is labeled "anti-vax". Any contrarian comment is labeled as "misinformation", even if it is dripping wet with facts from our own health professionals. "Anti-vax" has become the tagline for anyone that doesn't toe the company line in totality and without comment.

So yes... due diligence is the operative phrase. Wash your hands, wear a mask in public, social distance, don't be stupid. Get the vaccine if you are in any way health compromised. Get the vaccine / boosters if you are over 65... 85% of the worldwide deaths, October through December were among unnvaccinated people over 65!

NO, you inferred I was a trumpian, dodging questions. I merely stated that no one asked me a question, I know it's hard to understand. Reading is comprehensive, you'd think it would be pretty easy when reading one's own words. Guess not.

I was not directing any of my qualms at you nor considering you anti-vax, just to make that clear.

As far as the omicron variant goes, I think there are two core issues to think about - and I'm not sure what the answer is. On one hand, you have the variant itself which emerged in South Africa, which is less than 50% vaccinated. Therefore, the odds are that the variant itself emerged in the unvaccinated community. So that feeds into issue number one about the opportunity and the rates of variants emerging in populations with lower vaccination percentages. The next thing to think about is once that variant emerged, it was able to somewhat pierce the veil and infect people who were previously vaccinated. What I/we don't know - to my knowledge at least - is mutatabiity of omicron in vaccinated people who have contracted it vs people who contracted it that were not vaccinated.

I do hope that natural immunity continues on as a safeguard. I remember (could be wrong) reading from those reports that there was a lot more variation in the population where data was received vs those who were vaccinated (e.g. the range between those who still got deathly ill vs those who were completely fine). From what I understand, Omicron is by far the most infectious, but also the most mild form of the virus that is out there. The fact that it's mild actually makes it more infectious, because you're not down and out right away and you have a longer time period to keep spreading. I'm hoping - best case scenario probably - that the variants that keep forming become increasingly like this, especially for people who are unvaccinated, which hopefully leads to lower death rates and somehow builds immunity against more deadly variants, like Delta. I'm not sure, though, if contracting Omicron would make someone more immune to something like Delta, though. I'm sure somebody on here knows more about that than I do.

As far as the boosters go, I think it still makes sense from an anti-bodies approach. Maintaining your baseline. Also, doesn't the flu shot every year basically try to predict which variants of the flu are coming out as a predictability measure? That was my understanding at least. If that's true, hopefully the same could take place with COVID.

I'm not casting a wide net when I say anti-vax, but it drives me crazy - and I'm guessing it drives you crazy too - when people spread belligerent and false information about the vaccine - and then end up clogging the ERs and therefore spending beaucoup money, which gets spread to the rest of us, who do try to do our due diligence. That crowd is also the same to complain when their companies want their health insurance premiums raised for not getting the vaccine because they view it as a rights issue, when it's really a bottom-line issue. If people are "at war" with the vaccine, they have to accept the consequences.

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I didn't have any inkling that you were, no worries.

Proliferation in an areas with weak vaccination numbers is a very good point. And that's where the disconnect lies with the narrative in America. WE were never going to vaccinate our way out of this because we never had control over vaccination on the rest of the globe. Also, "somewhat pierce" is an understatement. Again, omicron gave not one damn if you were vaccinated... or boostered. The numbers don't lie. Look at the outbreak in the NFL... nearly every player was vaccinated, most within three to four months, many with a subsequent booster.

And following the flow of your thoughts, mutatability really isn't being measured and would be very hard to measure. My best guess is that it wouldn't really matter since vaccination payed little regard to the stopping the infection in the first play... obviously just my opinion. But that leads me to another thought that has left me scratching my head -- if you have case studies and are constantly compiling data, why are we not taking simple measures to at least determine what variant the participants have?? Study after study with a disclaimer that full testing to ascertain which variant the subject had was not done. Why not? Drives me crazy. The best we can do is say "during the delta wave" as our attempt at pinpointing pertinent information. Anyway...


Newer studies are that boosters are not "maintaining a baseline" the way we once thought.

A fourth COVID-19 booster mRNA vaccine has proven ineffective against Omicron infection, according to preliminary research from Israel released on Monday.

According to Regev-Yochay, the third dose resulted in “much higher antibodies, neutralization and the antibodies were not just higher in quantity but also in quality” than the second dose – but the fourth vaccine did not show significant antibody increase.

https://healthpolicy-watch.news/israel-fourth-covid-booster-ineffective/#:~:text=An%20Israeli%20woman%20gets%20a,from%20Israel%20released%20on%20Monday.

Israel seems like they'll be leading the edge in regard to new facts and hypotheses where "boosters" are concerned since over 90% of the public is vaccinated and over 80% boostered.


Boosters are giving people the same vaccine as the original, nothing has changed besides the dosage. Both showed their inadequacies during delta and neither effectively evades omicron, one may surmise that the same will be true with new variants. Facts? There are none in this regard... we pay as we play. My most blunt opinion on boosters is "can't hurt", but that opinion comes with a disclaimer: as getting boostered, over and over again, can't possibly be healthy.

In the end, I'll say what I've always said... Conquering covid (not to be read as eliminating it) will require a menu mix of vaccination and infection. It was never going to happen without both participants and the prospects were purely and simply impossible. Omicron and strains like it will be a blessing in leading us to that day. High infection to spread more immunity to the masses, lower death rate than previous strains.

You (not "you") can look at those statements and call me "heartless" or scream about the deaths; but in my mind they are simple facts that have nothing to do with political affiliation, "freedoms" or science as a whole.

And yes, to your last point, the b.s. drives me bat$h*t crazy. I don't have much of a filter and it's caused my wife a few uncomfortable moments through all of this. "You're worried about a "chip" in the vaccine while you carry your cell phone everywhere you go? Are you crazy?!"

My former business partner had to bury his dad... 72 years old, cancer survivor, hasn't been in good health for over ten years. REFUSED to get vaccinated, even at the urging of his wife and kids. Why did he die? Ask his son... "too many health issues and way too much Fox news".

On the other side of the fence is the other side of our family... Still hiding in a cave, vaccinated, boostered, wiping down packaging from their Wal-Mart delivery as we speak. That's fine, "you do you", but that's not enough for them. Getting together for Christmas was accommodated by their demand that everybody "test" that morning.

No problem, not even with my wife's sister's family that watches videos about the magnets in the vaccine. So what happens Christmas Eve? "We're not going to get together because xxxx isn't vaccinated?" Really? Testing was your be-all-end-all, now it's not good enough? Not having covid doesn't cut it if someone's not vaccinated? So what about "we're not coming over because we don't feel comfortable". Or more bluntly, considering the absurdity, "Christmas is a no-go because we're still afraid of our own shadow".

So now my wife is crying -- because her mom is crying -- on her way over to drop off Christmas presents to the "good" part of the family. The same mom that has been used by them as a pawn since covid started... "Have you been around xxx? Really? Then you can't watch the kids until you quarantine for two weeks, I guess we'll just have to pay for childcare."

She's made herself a prisoner in her own house to accommodate all of their strict "rules".

Funny thing is we've ALL had covid, none of us with more than a few days of hangover-like symptoms, most of us with no real symptoms at all. Yes, covid has now pierced their "great wall" of vaccination and boosterization... and incessant virtue signaling.

I've seen it from all angles.

Break out your dictionary there BIG READER. Then look up sarcastic/sarcasm as it applies to responses. And I get that you think you are smart, and you probably are for the crowd you're a part of, but IMO, you are seriously under equipped to get into a battle of wits. Not that I think you are unintelligent, because I don't. But the mere suggestion that you are in any way my intellectual superior is hilarious to me. Maybe you should go be a right-wing comedian. You could tell Trump jokes and clean up, since you don't support him.

EDIT: BTW, since we're talking about reading comprehension, I called the stick man Trumpian and you surmised (inferred) it was about you. But nice try.

You've been saying masks are ineffective, so how can this statement be true?

figured I'd share this with everyone

I have 2 friends in the hospital right now and 1 family member. (All 3 are vaxed and boosted)

All 3 in the hospital with something called covid pneumonia.

I had never heard of such a thing until this week

My aunt had that, and we damn near lost her bro. She's in her late 70s, got covid, spent 6 weeks in the hospital, then had to go to a convalescent home for almost two months. Almost 6 months after all of that and she's still fighting covid induced brain fog. But she's home and with family, so it's not too bad now.

Ahhh, so your response was a sarcastic one that had nothing to do with the actual conversation, just an opportunity to >insert< Trump. Got it. It's always tough to filter through everything here.

Never said anything to suggest I was your "intellectual superior", but I'm glad you're entertained. You seem confused about whether you think I'm smart or dumb, I'll admit I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed if it makes you feel better.

You seem butthurt, so for that, I apologize.


PS... I'll work on some Trump jokes, but the Biden jokes write themselves. Man's gotta eat.

that's crazy.

one is mid 70's one is mid 30's and the other is early 40's.

I don't think you're dumb. Not at all. I would say as much if that's what I thought. You know I don't hold back. And the crowd I referenced is GOPers.

I was saying you're not going to beat me in a battle of wits, after your 'Reading is comprehensive' jab. Take that however you want.

Well I wish them a speedy recovery SBD, damn shame.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2022/j...n-for-stopping-covid-antibody-treatments

I find this utterly ridiculous. Again, I am fairly confident there are those that want people to die. Those that take away proven avenues for treatment other than the vaccine. This virus attacks people differently and using different treatments to attack this virus is a good thing. Typical, Democrat response though. They do not care about people. They care about their power. They will put sick people in nursing homes with your elderly parents. Take away therapeutically treatments for a virus that has been proven time and again to work.

I think the fact still remains that the boosters keep up your anti-body count, like Portland had mentioned, which does help the rate of survivability and hospitalization. So that's the value I see with the booster. With the degradation of antibodies over time, it would seem logical you want to keep them up, hopefully not as often as we currently do, to keep yourself within the better statistical odds. We typically have flu shots every year or so. I can't imagine that getting a booster for COVID would be any less healthy than that, considering the positive history regarding vaccine effects. My hope is that the technology continues to improve on this front, too.

I do agree that we were never going to vaccinate our way out of everything. My frustration remains with people who refuse the vaccine, at least when it is not based on solid grounds (magnetism, conspiracy theories, etc.). I understand the practicality of the situation that of course there will be people who refuse and we have to deal with that, but on the other hand, it does lend to some element of logical frustration, which I think is a lot of the ire we see permeate the board and society, as a whole. Not to mention the even more pointed frustration I have with cases, such as my sister's.

As far as the variant goes, I think we do have a good inkling about where they come from. I think so far, the variants have appeared so far in areas with very low vaccination rates, lending credence to the fact that they evolved in unvaccinated populations. Do I know that with 100% certainty? No, but I'd be willing to bet on it, given the odds. I am curious - as I'm sure you are - to see how it goes with Omicron. The fact that Omicron has infected people who are vaccinated I don't think yet gives us a glimpse of Omicron's potency for mutation in those individuals. Again, this is starting to get way above my head, but from a bird's eye view, if Omicron itself variates into another strain in a population with high vaccination rates, then I will become increasingly concerned. In that bad scenario, my hope is that it continues its "downward trend" of potency and trends more toward being a common cold, which would at least give way to antibodies that would hopefully still safeguard against more potent strains, like Delta. Basically, the weak versions would crowd out the strong ones.

I'm sure there are many on here who know this stuff way more than I do, so please chime in on that last point. And I'm talking about legit people, like Lyuok...not someone who wants to post videos from a Sandy Hook denier.

Good discussion.

You honestly had never heard of this before now? What do you think all those people were dying of in the first waves? Their lungs filled with fluids… because of COVID. THAT’S the definition of pneumonia. Aka fluid filled lungs.

Did you never know what pneumonia was? Or did you not understand that this is what COVID caused? I’m confused as to how we can be two years into this and you are just now learning this foundational fact.?.

You're right, the numbers don't lie. You can't vaccinate your way out of covid but you can certainly vaccinate your way out of the vast majority of the deaths and hospitalizations associated with Covid.

As of the week ending 1/22

Percentage of covid deaths in people 65 and over 74.3%

Percentage of covid deaths among people between 45 and 64 is 21.4%

Percentage of people under 45 is 4.3%

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm

The only business model I'm seeing is people who wish to undermine and dismiss how many lives the vaccines have saved.

So now you resort to petty name calling like a petulant child while accusing someone else of having a low IQ?

Pit's back!

I see you've met your hourly quota of reminding everyone with any opinion that covid kills. Thanks, we were still not sure if people were actually dying.

A. Didn't call anybody a name.
B. "petulant child" is my term, you can't use it without permission.
C. I said the narrative is low-iq... because it couldn't be much lower.

Let's examine typical posts and your robotic responses...

"Seems like the boosters aren't working"
Pit: "Covid kills!"

"I don't think the vaccine is better than natural immunity"
Pit: "Covid kills!"

"Seems like omicron is impervious to the vaccine"
Pit: "Tell that to all the loved ones of the dead... Covid kills!"

And on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on...

Oh, the irony.....

Just yesterday from Pit:

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1920501/3/malik-mcdowell-arrested

You obviously missed the part of how he was trying to claim he was so smart in this thread. And how those who disagreed with him were "low IQ". But I'm not surprised you missed it. Try again Karen.

It's always so much fun seeing you try and twist out of your self- owns. It never seems to work, however.

Here's the difference. You claim the "vaccines don't work". The only way in which they don't work is stopping the spread. To me greatly reducing deaths and hospitalizations means it is working. So yes, I emphasis the most important point of all. And you natural immunity statement? I guess if you wish to risk being one of the vast majority of those who die or end up in the hospital from covid in order to establish natural immunity.....

It really bothers you when people point out the most important part of this while you are busy undermining it from every other possible angle doesn't it?

Awe, If you think I really care what you think you are misguided. You'll get what you give. So will the rest of you. But keep whining about it if it makes you feel better.

He's right though. The vaccines are THE BEST defense that we have. It's only because they were so politicized that we are even having these conversations. I did some reading on the Spanish flu pandemic, they had a mask mandate and if you didn't wear one you went to jail. I've also read that the historical average length of a pandemic is 2.5 to 3.5 years, then the virus usually mutates into a less threatening form. That's what happen with the Spanish Flu and some mutation of that is still with us. So covid is not going away, it's following a natural course for a pandemic virus. So if we need to boost, reformulate, or develop new vaccines for a few variants, so be it. For a total of 3-4 years, being almost two years in, I think we can play wack-a-mole with the variants for two more years if need be. BECAUSE, think of the lives saved.

Going to jail for being mask slackers.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ask-slackers-faced-jail-time/8929102002/

Comparing Pandemics

https://www.healthline.com/health-n...-pandemic-as-the-omicron-variant-spreads

Nope. Try again.

I said your non-stop, never-ending narrative was "low-iq"... three times now.

Look, I realize that your m.o. in posting here on DT is mostly some sadistic satisfaction with twisting every thread or post into something it never was. But your above statement is blatant trolling, plain and simple. I never said I was smarter than anybody.

You just want something to show up on the screen that others may believe, or maybe a buddy or two will pile on and move the goalposts even further.

Pitiful.

Sorry Pit, but fate just told me in an earlier post that he wasn't the brightest bulb in the box.

Wrong. I had your back, and was typing it while you posted your last post.

Twasn't but a few days ago he called me a little man. He does, daily, what he rants about others doing.

Mark my words, he'll be here soon to refute me.

Can we get past this lover’s quarrel and get to my last post related to super, two years into a pandemic, just now learning about the COVID pneumonia that was the cause of death of a large percentage of the 800,000 COVID deaths over the last two years?

Isn’t his admitted lack of knowledge of one of the most basic aspects of COVID complications not flummoxing to anyone else? Was anyone else equally misinformed/uneducated?

All I know is this: I had covid about a month and a half before it was "covid" Jan, 2020.

I got the booster shot just 3 or so weeks or so ago, AFTER getting the initial vaccine just before Easter of last year- when I was eligible to get it.

yet I'm called a trumpian by dimwits that know nothing about me, because I voted for Trump over hillary.

I also got covid again.

Here's a little bit more of what I know: This last time, I wasn't "sick". Tired, mainly. Quarantined myself for a good 12-14 days. NOT sick, just knew I had it due to 3 different tests.

I also know that either having had it 2 years ago, or having the vaccine, or probably some combination of both, prevented me from getting sick.

I also know that the boosters (I think I know, put it that way) were developed BEFORE the new variants showed their heads.

I'm a rather sensible person. I even got the flu shot.

I'm sick of covid. I've done what's asked of me. Vaccine, masks, booster, don't do MUCH of a going out kind of thing. Heck, haven't even been to a single basketball game this year. (way out of norm for me and my wife).

But, I voted from Trump, I'm a conservative, and a republican. So, I'm bad.

::shrug::

I don't think I've ever heard it referred to as "COVID pneumonia", to be honest. I didn't think much of his confusion.

Maybe being in medicine has me more attuned to the actual diagnosis language than the typical person. I guess on some level I also assume people understand that having severe lung congestion, such as what can occur with COVID, is tantamount to pneumonia. The word doesn’t have to be used, as it’s understood… at least to those in the medical field or a better understanding of disease processes in general.

I’ll move on, a little confused, but whatever I guess.

That's interesting. Thanks for providing. That was my hope in my last post regarding the trend. Hopefully Omicron is a trend in the direction that the virus, while more contagious, is gradually becoming less lethal.

Leave me out of this

Great post.

I know he's right. There's no doubt an effective vaccine is the most valuable tool.

Why? It prevents deaths... and early on it worked wonders in mitigating the spread.

I've never, ever said the vaccine doesn't prevent death. I've never said it isn't a necessary component.

Thank God and the skies above we were able to formulate and dispense a life-saving vaccine as quickly as we did. Future generations will thank us, despite all our loss and pain, for changing the landscape of how the battle against pandemics will be fought.


I should put that all in my sig, so that everybody can understand my stance on the vaccine, despite all the "misinformation".


As to the rest...

Hopefully we reach a point in time where we can quickly reformulate the vaccine and boosters. That has been very slow to happen (hasn't happened). Through the Delta and Omicron waves it's become clear that "reformulation" will be paramount to stopping subsequent strains. Stopping spread and infection has been nearly non-existent, death rates are rising. Obviously that could have a lot to do with waning anti-bodies or the rate of people "boosting", but the numbers don't lie. The vaccines and boosters need some work to be up to date. Not sure how that is being handled.

Wack-a-mole is a great example. It's a read and react proposition. Apparently Pfizer has a booster coming out effective against omicron. On one hand, we have to respect the fact that it was a very rapid response; on the other hand, sadly, covid waves have been way faster. As I said in an earlier post, the real missing ingredient seems to be a crystal ball. That's not sarcasm as much as it is just looking the devil in his eyes.

And now you consider yourself a self appointed psychiatrist. Have you ever considered a career in comedy?

Refuting a stalker is meaningless.

???

Thanks for proving my point, Incessantly and constantly.

Hey, take a bit of your own advice: If you post blather on a public message board, expect to get called on it. You're like my little puppet.

edited to add: anytime some one disagrees with you, you either change the goalpost, or call them a troll.

Sad, really. There is NO discussion with you.

I like the new user name recommendation. And it stays within the original 7 characters!

Just because you lose every discussion we have there's no reason to blame me for it.

I see you decided to play copycat and change your sig. too. At least I'm managed to teach you something. I was beginning to believe it was impossible for you to learn anything new.

I've git a few recommendations for you too but much like arch you're a slow learner and I'm not going to waste my time with it.

Well, you git them.

You haven't taught me a damn thing ever since Bush when you said he and his oil buddies were responsible for the price of gas. I gave you PROOF presidents weren't, and you ignored it. You've been so bullheaded over the years. It's really sad.

Oh, by the way, who changed their sig first? Before you change the topic, it was you.

ONCE again, you came at me. First. You claim you will treat others as they treat you? What a lie.

And you can't "at least I'm managed..."............you haven't proven anything other than you have nothing but time and no life. I'm still replying to you, on a PUBLIC message board. Sorry, you can't ignore me, sorry you post and don't want a differing opinion.

Nobody that I know in here or on the left should be in any way upset or calling you anything but responsible for getting the vaccines and booster. And just an FYI, as I understand it, the booster shot was the same vaccine so they didn't need to be developed, just studied. As for voting for Trump, here is how I feel about it. In 2016, it's excusable because we really didn't know what he would be like. I couldn't stand him for multiple reasons, but I can see how he appealed to people on both sides, but especially rural republicans. Honestly, it was all lies, but he said everything a middle class republican would want to hear. Now, voting for his ass in 2020 is a different story, but again, I get the hardcore supporter sticking with him, even lifer republicans pinching their noses and pulling the lever. I don't forgive it, I think it was a crap vote, but it's your right to vote for whom you want, so I really can't condemn you for that one either. BUT if you still support him after all the evidence that has come out over the 6th, the election tampering, and other crap he had been hiding… well if you still support Trump now, then I have to think you are a traitorous Fascist. And arch, I don't think any of us think that about you, including me. I don't think you still support him. You don't do you? Not saying you don't support republicans, I'm talking specifically about Trump. Just Donnie, you don't even have to include his kids. Putting that out there would go a long way toward ending the misconception you are irked about.

Where have I mentioned trump since the last election?

Thanks.

I've noticed arch. Just like I noticed we're not butting heads every day anymore. And I didn't think you were still supporting him. But straight saying it will shut down that kind of talk about you. That's all I'm saying arch.

We don't butt heads much anymore because I don't post much anymore. I more come to this forum to laugh at the hypocrisy posted by certain people.

I don't think I ever heard it referenced as pneumonia either, so I never really would have made the connection either. I wouldn't give it much thought beyond the reports, and since I believe 50% of what the media reports is exaggerated, and I'm not in the medical profession, I wouldn't make a medical diagnoses from their reports.

Actually I learned that from DC. Instead of screaming and ranting about it we had a conversation and discussion about it. I actually admitted such and have learned quite a bit from people willing to have rational discussions. But of course you didn't see that or have decided to lie about it. Who knows which one. Still hanging on to things from decades ago? Hmmmmm, that sounds like an issue you should get addressed. Hanging onto anger over things that long ago isn't healthy for you. And it speaks volumes.


Are you having trouble comprehending what I posted? I said you played the copycat. You realize that by saying that it is stating that I changed mine first, right?


You come into multiple threads with regularity to add nothing to the discussion and only make a personal comment about me. That is a fact and yet you sit here and try to deny it? People can see.


Every time you come into a thread and have nothing to say about the topic and instead come directly at me, I will respond. I'm sorry you are jealous that I have more free time than you do with which to do what I please. Maybe once you retire and have more free time your jealousy won't control you. Since it's you who randomly pops into threads only to take jabs at me, who can't ignore who again?



You're hilarious!

I'll use your regular line when you but into threads with nothing of substance to say...... "Did you forget who you were talking to?"

aye we lost 2500 americans today due to covid, but that doesn't matter cause biden is appointing a black chick to the SC

2600 americans passed yesterday.

but im sure its a bunch of crisis actors that are part of the deep state plot to allow BLM and antifa to take over the country.

Wish I could find the article, but essentially they had that Unvaccinated accounted for 60-65% of all positive COVID test, of that 6% were hospitalized versus only 3% of COVID positive vaccinated folks. And worse yet, of those hospitalized the unvaccinated have a 30% death rate versus less than 1% for vaccinated.

IIRC the article was from late December.

j/c

Truckers and protesters against Covid-19 mandates block a border crossing. Others tried to take meals away from the homeless in Ottawa, shelter says

What started as a convoy of truckers protesting Covid-19 mandates has snowballed into a blockade in the Canadian capital and the obstruction of a US-Canadian border crossing.
Some protesters pressured staff at a homeless shelter to give them food, the facility said.

And criminal investigations are underway after the alleged "desecration" of monuments during weekend protests that spilled into Monday.

The protests stemmed from the "Freedom Convoy" of truckers that traveled across Canada for several days before arriving in the capital city of Ottawa on Saturday. The drivers oppose a recent vaccine mandate requiring truckers entering Canada to be fully vaccinated or face testing and quarantine requirements.

Downtown Ottawa remained packed with rigs and cars Monday morning as protesters rallied against Covid-19 mandates and some legislators were set to return to Parliament Hill.

But Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was not there. On Monday, Trudeau announced he and two of his three children tested positive for Covid-19.

Trudeau and his family have been quarantining at an undisclosed location, but he had sharp words for those causing turmoil:

"Canadians were shocked and frankly disgusted by the behavior displayed by some people protesting in our nation's capital," Trudeau said Monday.

"I want to be very clear: We are not intimidated by those who hurl insults and abuse at small business workers and steal food from the homeless," he said. "We won't give in to those who fly racist flags. We won't cave to those who engage in vandalism or dishonor the memory of our veterans."

Shepherds of Good Hope, a homeless shelter and kitchen in Ottawa, said some protesters harassed staff and volunteers for meals.

"While we are not certain of exact numbers, the demands for meals and verbal altercations continued for several hours over the dinner period," the center tweeted Sunday.

"Trucks were parked in our ambulance drop off zone for nearly 12 hours until they were removed and towed with the support of Ottawa Police Services," the facility said. "Our staff and volunteers faced significant barriers to get in to work."

Truckers and protesters clog a border crossing

In western Canada, trucks and cars have been blocking the Coutts border crossing just north of Sweet Grass, Montana, where Interstate 15 is a major commercial artery for US-Canada supply chains.

The critical route is called Highway 4 on the Canadian side.
"Alberta RCMP ask motorists to continue to stay away from Hwy 4 south of #Lethbridge to the #Coutts border crossing," the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Alberta tweeted late Sunday.

"Traffic continues to remain immobilized in both the NB and SB directions. At this time, no motor vehicles are able to access the border for entry/re-entry," the agency said.

Those who damaged monuments 'should hang their heads in shame'

"Several criminal investigations are underway in relation to the desecration of the National War Memorial/Terry Fox statue, threatening/illegal/intimidating behaviour to police/city workers and other individuals and damage to a city vehicle," the Ottawa Police Service tweeted Sunday.

Parked vehicles taking part in the protest block lanes on an Ottawa road Sunday.

Canada's chief of defense, Gen. Wayne Eyre, said he was "sickened to see protesters dance on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and desecrate the National War Memorial."

"Generations of Canadians have fought and died for our rights, including free speech, but not this," Eyre tweeted Saturday. "Those involved should hang their heads in shame."

A similar denunciation came from the Canadian Trucking Alliance (CTA), a federation of Canadian trucking associations, which already had said a large number protesters in Ottawa appeared to have no connection to the trucking industry.

"The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and the National War Memorial are sacred sites for Canadians," the CTA said in a statement. "The desecration of these sites was a disgusting act and is a dishonour to those soldiers who have given their lives for our country and those Canadian soldiers who continue to fight for our freedom today."

The CTA called Terry Fox, the late athlete and cancer research activist, a "national hero." The alleged defacing of Fox's monument was another insult to "the memory of one of the greatest Canadians in our history," it said.

James Moore, Canada's former minister of innovation, science and industry, retweeted a photo showing the statue holding an upside-down Canadian flag and a sign that read "Mandate Freedom."

Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson called the display "completely unacceptable," and said he'd asked for the sign and flag to be taken down.
"This kind of stunt by protesters does not help their cause," the mayor said.

Police advised people who work in Ottawa's downtown core to work remotely Monday.

Not over yet

Despite frigid temperatures, photos have shown supporters joining the convoy of truckers on foot or greeting them with Canadian flags on bridges and highway overpasses.

Authorities reported "multiple cases of disruptive, inappropriate and threatening behavior from demonstrators," and are aware of demonstrators' intention to stay in place through the week, the Ottawa Police Service said.

The agency estimated the financial costs of policing around the demonstrations was more than $800,000 a day.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/31/americas/canada-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-trucker-protests/index.html

These people are blocking roads and acting aggressive! Why don't people just shoot them like dogs saying they feel threatened!?

Oh that's right. Since they don't live in Florida it's called murder.

The peak of infection was about 3 weeks ago, so this would be consistent with the past peaks.

Thankfully, the number of new infections are decreasing rapidly, so there is some good news on the horizon.

Thankfully those who are vaccinated less prone to serious infection.

Some statistician will figure out the number of lives saved for those who were vaccinated. It will be impressive.

Johns Hopkins study shows lockdowns only reduced COVID-19 death rate by .2%

Updated February 3, 2022 10:17AMNewsFOX News

Lockdowns during the first COVID-19 wave in the spring of 2020 only reduced COVID-19 mortality by .2% in the U.S. and Europe, according to a Johns Hopkins University meta-analysis of several studies.

"While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted," the researchers wrote. "In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument."

The researchers – Johns Hopkins University economics professor Steve Hanke, Lund University economics professor Lars Jonung, and special advisor at Copenhagen's Center for Political Studies Jonas Herby – analyzed the effects of lockdown measures such as school shutdowns, business closures, and mask mandates on COVID-19 deaths.

"We find little to no evidence that mandated lockdowns in Europe and the United States had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality rates," the researchers wrote.

The researchers also examined shelter-in-place orders, finding that they reduced COVID-19 mortality by 2.9%.

Studies that looked at only shelter-in-place orders found they reduced COVID-19 mortality by 5.1%, but studies that looked at shelter-in-place orders along with other lockdown measures found that shelter-in-place orders actually increased COVID-19 mortality by 2.8%.

The researchers concluded that limiting gatherings may have actually increased COVID-19 mortality.

"[Shelter-in-place orders] may isolate an infected person at home with his/her family where he/she risks infecting family members with a higher viral load, causing more severe illness," the researchers wrote.

"But often, lockdowns have limited peoples’ access to safe (outdoor) places such as beaches, parks, and zoos, or included outdoor mask mandates or strict outdoor gathering restrictions, pushing people to meet at less safe (indoor) places."

The researchers also examined studies that focused on specific lockdown measures and found that the only intervention that reduced COVID-19 mortality was the closure of non-essential businesses, which reduced mortality by 10.6%, but this effect was likely driven by the closure of bars.

Researchers also pointed out other unintended consequences of lockdowns, such as rising unemployment, reduced schooling, an increase in domestic violence incidents, and surging drug overdoses.

From May 2020 to April 2021, the U.S. recorded 100,306 drug overdose deaths, a 28.5% increase from the 78,056 deaths that were recorded in the previous 12-month period, according to CDC data.

A study from the National Commission on COVID-19 and Criminal Justice last year found that domestic violence incidents increased 8.1% in the U.S. after lockdown orders were issued.

About 97% of U.S. teachers said that their students have experienced learning loss during the coronavirus pandemic, according to a Horace Mann survey last year.

The unemployment rate peaked nationwide at 14.8% in April 2020, but declined to 3.9% in December, which is still slightly higher than the 3.5% rate it was at in February 2020.

"These costs to society must be compared to the benefits of lockdowns, which our meta-analysis has shown are marginal at best," the researchers in the Johns Hopkins University study wrote.

"Such a standard benefit-cost calculation leads to a strong conclusion: lockdowns should be rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy instrument."

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/johns-h...ns-only-reduced-covid-19-death-rate-by-2

Man, that’s sad.

We had a really high covid spike 20k, but it's dropped fast. We are around 6k now. It would be great if we don't have any new variants for a while.

At the rate we are going we will get herd immunity of a sort.

We were close to 90% seroprevalence among blood donors in June (meaning 90% of blood donors had antibodies from something). Despite this, we just had a large spike from Delta then Omicron. Herd immunity is clearly not going to offer a way out.

You’re correct. It’ll only allow periodic troughs in between peak waves of outbreaks. If it continues to spawn new variants the waves will potentially be taller. Hopefully it mutates into progressively less virulent forms. Along with that, and new therapeutics and updated jabs, we can eventually turn the tide.

J/K,
Isn't the at-home covid tests really going to screw up the reporting of new cases?

We have had a handful of people at work test in the last 2 or 3 weeks and a few have tested positive-I asked one of them who did he report the positive test to and he said our safety department.
I asked did you have to report it to county health or anywhere else and he said no, didn't do nothing

Just my opinion, but to your first question: Yes, I believe so.

But maybe not in the way you think? I was positive, 3 different tests. I wasn't "sick", so I never reported anything to anyone. Daughter's boyfriend tested positive - same for him - not sick, didn't report anything to anyone. Nephew, same, sis in law, same, bro in law, same. (Understand, each one of us self quarantined once positive).

Daughter was positive as well. Only reason she knew was she had chest pain. On vacation, up north. Grandpa decided she should go to the e.r. EKG was fine. But, at a hospital, you get tested for covid. I'm sure hers was reported to whoever gets reported to.

I think the case reports are already screwed. People have been self testing for months, those tests were available well before omicron.

Basically all reliable data has been based on hospitalizations.

That's kinda my point. I think if every at home test were reported, the numbers of covid cases would skyrocket, but also, the percentage of hospitalizations and deaths from covid would plummet in relation to the number of people that had it.

Yep.

Wasn't until I read these posts that I realized I failed to report my Dec 31 case to the local health department. Went to a testing facility the first time and the board of health called me to verify.

How many people are positive that have no systems so they never get tested?

Positive test results are an inaccurate statistic that is used like most statistics, only when it helps one side of an argument.

Agreed that the at home testing is going to mess with the accuracy of the data. Not sure which side of the argument gets impacted by that ... if any.

Hospitalizations & Deaths - and the impact (or otherwise) of being vaccinated: 1 shot, 2 shots and boostered : would all be accurate and still a very important piece of data. Variants and sequence testing is the other vital bit of data that should be rigorously collected.

another 2500 americans perished yesterday.

wonder how many houses that are on the market are due to the previous owner dying...

I can't find where I read this, but something like 40 states are reporting a drop in positive Covid testing... I'd love to find that article,, no luck so far.. But if it's accurate, it's a good thing... Could it be the beginning of the end to this pandemic? Let's all hope.

The peak was about a 3-4 weeks ago, so this can be explained. According to worldometer the 7 day average is down to 239,000, down from a peak of 820,000.

My dude calls me... "Bro, I found the house..." tells me all the details.

I'm looking on Zillow as my wife walks over... "that's Darlene's house!"

She's an extended family member that just died of covid.

It was weird.

So every two days the death total s higher than 9-11. Every two days. You would think the patriotism of 9-11 would show up soon, but most of that country first crap must have just been a lie. WW2 cost us 400K lives and 600K wounded. COVID-19 has already doubled that death count and the long term effects of COVID-19 are a complete unknown at this point, but could easily affect as many as were wounded in WW2. And the right, bringing fascism to the forefront of American politics, gives us a few other WW2 similarities to ponder as well.

j/c:

When cases drop to a certain point there's actually no longer a need for mandates. You have to roll with the conditions as they present themselves.

Are you that disappointed I didn't want to argue about it? I guess you haven't been keeping up with the huge drop in Covid cases. That's okay, I understand. With some people it's all about the politics of it rather than the science and what's going on around us.

"Pitiful" is getting ready for the mid-term elections too!

The "drop in cases" narrative, feels like more mainstream media lies.
take a wait and see approach.

So, you cool with dropping all vaccine mandates? I mean, if we're to the point that no one needs masks, we obviously don't need to force vaccinations, right?

j/c:

Working class people getting tired of socialist policy.

I wonder when it will spread here.

It's been mentioned, but the drop in positive testing is directly proportional the the increased availability of home testing and people not reporting positive tests. We're going to have to use hospitalizations and deaths as measuring sticks.

I definitely think we should start shifting the goal posts a bit. With the more infectious, but not as serious variant, much better availability of testing, vaccines, and imminent arrival of treatment options that open up availability, I don't think we should be as caught up in how many people are popping positive. I think we should be focusing more on hospitalizations. In many ways, we are much better off in handling positive cases, so we should focus on the most serious.

another 2600 dead.

but joe rogan though. thats whats most important.

Nothin'?

Glenn Trumpkin will run VA into the ground. Dems will be fixing it next.

I would never have issued mandates in the first place. POTUS should have just said, no vaccine? No work. Period. Then all the Typhoid Mary's could man up or starve. Either way, a few weeks in, it would have been over.

I've never seen anything as stupid as full-grown adults refusing to do their part to fight a viral pandemic. 100 years ago, your own people would have taken you to the woodshed for acting like this. Today, you people, find those actions acceptable. smh

Uhhh, that is a mandate.

Covid would have been over in a few weeks?

No the idiocy would have. You would have complied or starved.

You know, this would "almost" make sense if it weren't for the fact that heavily democratic states who always win their elections weren't doing it too. But they are.

Democratic-led US states roll back mask mandates

Several Democratic-run US states have announced plans to lift mask mandates in indoor places and schools, as coronavirus infections decline in America.

The announcements signal a move towards a policy of accepting Covid-19 as part of everyday life.

Mask-wearing became a political battleground in the United States in the early days of the pandemic.

Many Democratic governors enforced strict mandates, while Republican-led states such as Texas and Florida banned the enforcement of face coverings.

California governor Gavin Newsom announced Monday evening that the state's indoor mask mandate would end for vaccinated residents on February 15.

California's "case rate has decreased by 65 percent since our Omicron peak. Our hospitalizations have stabilized across the state," tweeted Newsom.

"Unvaccinated people will still need to wear masks indoors. Get vaccinated. Get boosted," he added.

Newsom's announcement came after New Jersey governor Phil Murphy announced that children and staff would not need to wear masks in schools from March 7.

"This is not a declaration of victory as much as an acknowledgment that we can responsibly live with this thing," he said, referring to the coronavirus.

In Connecticut, Governor Ned Lamont said he was recommending that school boards drop mandatory mask-wearing in schools after February 28.

Delaware governor John Carney announced that his state's indoor mask mandate would expire on Friday, and that masks in schools will end by March 31.

"We're in a much better place than we were several weeks ago," he wrote on Twitter.

In Oregon, Governor Kate Brown tweeted that she "will lift mask requirements no later than March 31."

New York, the early epicenter of America's outbreak in spring 2020, hasn't officially announced plans to lift Covid restrictions, but Governor Kathy Hochul is expected to end the city's indoor mask mandate on Wednesday, the New York Times reported, citing multiple people briefed on the decision.

- CDC recommendations -

The varying measures highlight the disparate nature of mask rules, which can differ between local authorities in the heavily defederalized country.

The lifting of the mandates still allows individual school boards to require masks if they want to.

But the mandates' revocation appears to be out of sync with guidance from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which Joe Biden's administration follows.

The CDC recommends that vaccinated people wear masks indoors if they are "in an area of substantial or high transmission."

Wearing a mask that covers the nose and mouth is required on planes, buses, trains and other forms of public transportation traveling into, within or out of the United States.

The CDC also requires masks inside US transportation hubs such as airports and train stations.

The United States is currently recording about 73,000 new cases a day, down from a peak of about 800,000 a day in early January, according to the CDC.

More than 900,000 people have been killed by Covid-19 in the United States, according to the Johns Hopkins University coronavirus tracker.

Despite falling numbers of new cases linked to the Omicron variant, daily deaths are still averaging 2,300, according to government figures.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/democratic-led-us-states-roll-152918891.html

New York and Illinois governors expected to announce end or rollback of certain indoor mask rules, reports say

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/08/us/new-york-mask-mandate-vaccine-announcement/index.html

So no, your slanted political rhetoric does not apply.

Sorry, I'm usually not on here after mid afternoon. Yesterday was no different. But to answer your question, no. You're trying to compare two different things that do not work the same.

You see variants will in all likelihood continue to develop and spread. The hope is that the current vaccines will continue to give at least some immunity to these variants. So vaccines are critical. It has been proven over and over again that the death rate and hospitalization rate among the vaccinated is a small fraction of the unvaccinated.

In terms of masks, when current conditions get to the point that you can lift mask mandates you should. When and if another variant comes along and the spread becomes wide you can always bring back mask mandates. You have the option to put masks on and take masks off. You can't do the same with vaccines.

Covid: What the actual hades, by THROW LONG
What happened, - you lived it covid happened, (the 100 years flu I say), The insurance society had no answer and were Not willing to live and let die so therefore there were the government edicts from on high, (on microphone hourly broadcast for 2 years.)

We, despite when the disease arrived, which I'd guess was a few months earlier are coming to the 2 year anniversary of the canceling of the sports classic by Ohio governor Dewine, and it's coming back, but (I was paying attention) it was the 1st major sporting event to be cancelled or restricted, and was followed in the additional 3-6 weeks by all the major sports, but the A Sports had em all beat by at least a few days..

What can we take away from this, The English, are about to end all government quarantines regarding covid,... why?
answer: there is finally enough treatment and pre-treatment for covid, to ensure the insurance society can survive lawsuits.

The Crackdown on the truckers in Canada, who stood for No Mandates. What does it mean. 2 things to remember 2 historic slogans,
first of all, the crackdown ensures the government as boss and freedom is just a ruse to make people feel good, first of all there is that.

But even though, As I was taught, historically, (regarding the trucker convoy) that the women, pushing for the ERA the equal rights amendment to the constution, never got their amendment, but they got everything it wanted.

Because when the state gives in, it only does, after it shows that it's only doing so because It decided. so that is 1.
1. The equal rights amendment, and the trucker convoy in Canada.
2nd, the 2nd thing to remember was XX Airllines used to have a slogan, (catchy) and I think it also fits the trucker convoy.
In the 15 years prior to XX Airlines' creation, Air travel in general, was much less common because it was more expensive and more difficult to afford, (today do you take air flights more often than you buy a car? in those days it could have been an equal number)
XX Airlines slogan, that fits the Canada end mandate trucker rally, was
XX, "if we didn't exist, would low fares" If the pushback on mandates didn't exist, would the mandates have stopped? No.

But the crackdown shows that the powers that be will say, " We reserve the right to crack heads just because we can, just so everyone knows."

but the bottom line, again, = The treatments are becoming enough that the system,mm can deal with it without fear of being sued. (aka the insurance society). So it is ok to end the quarantines. And that is what the actual hades, is in front of you, everything else is distraction.

City of Denver fired people in October for not complying with vaccine mandate. Now they are dropping the mandate.

If Employers can fire you for using medical marijuana, or smoking cigarettes when your not at work, then they sure as hell should be able to fire you for not getting vaccinated.

Yes. Companies get to make decisions based on their regulations and signed contract with the employer. Then when/if those regulations and contract details chang, it does not mean you get your job back if you the rules governing your dismissal change. Remember when Josh Gordon had a second sample that was like 1 millionth of a % over the NFL's specified THC level - or whatever it was - and then within a couple months the threshold was elevated 80 or 800 fold? Josh still got a ban.

Lolz.

I see Dems everywhere are backing off on the mask mandates.

Must be an election year they fear losing.

Or it could be that rates are down across the country for the last few weeks. But hey, don't let facts enter the BS propaganda you are trying to spread.

Are you really going to go there????? Please tell me and everybody else you are smarter than that.

We have seen his posts. We know he is not.

You still part of the GQP GM? I can't imagine any one issue making me vote for the party of traitorous insurrectionists and Putin enthusiasts.

I can't imagine voting for either party as they are both ignorant.

What's the "GQP" party?

Pretty much how I feel TBH. But the trumpian fascism is not gone, so I will do whatever I need to do until then, including pinching my nose and voting for actual adults, even if I hate what they represent.

I agree to a point, but how do you backup our crazy, assinine, inflation rate??? Both republicans, and Dems do not give a crap out either one of us, or for anybody else for that matter. Both sides don't give a chit about any of us. They only care about their own party. Both sides can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.

This inflation is just a perfect storm of pandemic, shutdowns, the slowing of goods availability, demand being way above pre pandemic levels. We have more jobs than we can fill, so pay is way up too.

The Red (Free) States dropped mask mandates long ago while the Blue States kept the mandates till now.
What difference did it make?
Look at the CDC death map and see what the science shows...
//covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker

Inflation is also caused by continuing to pass such bills that print trillions of dollars and put them into the money supply; ie stimulus packages, infrastructure. The more you spend the more it causes inflation.

I also want to note that the cancelation of the keystone pipeline, stopping certain drilling on federal lands, and creating regulations against the gas and oil industry is asinine. The Biden administration is solely responsible for what I just mentioned, there's no way around it. Sure doesn't help reduce prices at the pump, so when he says he's trying to get gas prices down, his actions say otherwise. Personally I think he's lying.

crypt walking, bro.

The Left can't get it through their heads that oil ain't about being green, it's about independence and National Security.

Anyone know if we're currently still buying oil from Russia? If so then that means we're complicit and are alright with what Putin is doing.

no, if we were to actually believe the Boomer/GenX narrative on oil, then once again we got countries going to war over freaking oil.

you want to say goodbye to pickup trucks and modified rides? keep that narrative up. you thought Greta Thunberg was annoying and dangerous, you haven't been paying attention. that's only going to increase the call for green energy investments and research.

did you see what just happened to the Nordstream 2 company? they fired all their employees and filed bankruptcy. during an active pandemic, Putin decided to launch an invasion to start an unprovoked war. and if we believe you and say that its about independence and national security, then you just gave the majority two big reason to aggressively diversify our energy sector. then we take the incentive away from madmen like Putin to try and start wars over oil because western countries are no longer heavily dependent on it.

i mean thanks 40! thats actually a really good position to take on this. now that i believe the conservative/boomer narrative on oil, i will now publicly advocate for the US to start aggressively diversifying our energy portfolio, not only in the interest of independence, but in the name of National Security.

GOPers are using oil company price gouging when Dems are in office to boohoo about oil. SMDH. Funny how oil/gas prices goes up under Clinton, Obama, and Biden; but suddenly go down when a GOPer is in office. Sabotaging America is what Republicans do.

In 2020, for the first time since 1949, the U.S. exported more than it imported – 635,000 barrels per day more.

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the United States imported approximately 245,000,000 barrels of oil from the Russian Federation in 2021.

And if that was still not allowed, we'd have an oil glut right now. But CORP profits override your feeling about cheap gas with this government, both parties. So, none of these gas prices have anything to do with Biden being president.

Biden declared war on our oil infrastructure by canceling pipelines, raising fees, banning new drilling and more.

The oil companies made the business decision to stop expensive exploration and live with what they can produce.

We made up the difference by relying on other countries for oil, like the Middle East and Russia.

So here we are, dependent on others.

This is why all the sanctions don't touch Russia's oil, we and Europe are dependent on it.
Putin pockets $100 dollars for every barrel we buy. It keeps his military up on the latest gadgets.

Those big oil money grabs should never have been approved by the orange dolt. And nobody gives a damn about the opinion of insurrectionists.

If you refuse to listen to the other side, you will only know what you think you know.

so that's even more incentive to invest in new technology in the energy sector. plenty of real estate for green energy operations. especially with a continued pandemic, less traditional work environments which increased energy demands across the country, and again 40, our national security.

1800 died today due to Covid here in the US. we need huge investments into our infrastructure, and we have the technology to lower our overall impact on the climate while simultaneously creating large economic growth and american jobs.

I've listened to enough from you to make my mind up. You're a troll.

I agree but you do it gradually, not all at once. We need oil NOW!

Why don't you ban water and tell everyone to drink juice?
But sir, we can't make enough juice to replace water!
Well as prices go up for juice, more people will begin to grow oranges.

"yea, but he really needs this crack cocaine now and for an extended period of time, because we dont know when we're actually gonna get around to getting him checked into rehab."

The "latest gadgets", when most reports from Ukraine are that the Russian military is woefully under equipped, and mostly with old and outdated equipment.

Also, this huge "decline" in oil production in the US was down .2 million barrels per day in 2021 compared to 2020, which is a lot, but is estimated to increase in 2022 .4 million barrels per day, at least. That was with prices at roughly $50 per barrel. We still aren't back to pre-Covid level demand either, and we never be as many workers are able to work remotely. If even 5% of workers are now working remotely in the US, that is an elimination of daily travel for roughly 8 million people.

You're also ignoring that Russia accounts for 3% of our oil imports.

That's entirely what he does - he will ignore everything relevant and latch on to one factoid he thinks is a "gotcha" ...

3% .... and that's not even 3% of consumption. It's 3% of what we import

Like the Trump tax cuts that over half of went to the most wealthy Americans and Corporations? Where were you then complaining about printing money?

U.S. budget deficit for 2021 declines from 2020’s all-time high above $3 trillion

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u...l-time-high-above-3-trillion-01634922141

So the deficit in the last year of Trump's presidency was higher than the first year of the Biden presidency.

You were saying?

j/c:

NFL suspends all COVID protocols, cites ‘encouraging trends’

https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...-health-62d42bf438a0dc394cfae434e6540dbc

With the development of PAXLOVID and Omicron having pretty much ran its course, it's nice to see levels back to a point that we see at least some sense of normalcy returning. At least for now.

j/c...

Been watching "mutations of concern" and noticed a hybrid "deltacron" being the dominant mutation in the UK.

Meanwhile, early tests of Pfizer's and Moderna's omicron targeted booster are showing signs of them both being duds.

Omicron-targeted vaccines do no better than original jabs in early tests
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00003-y

Study suggests Omicron-specific booster may not provide more protection
https://www.statnews.com/2022/02/04...cron-boosters-may-not-provide-a-benefit/

With the original vaccine formulations becoming less and less effective against later mutations, not sure where we'll be if Covid has another trick up it's sleeve vs relaxed attitude and waning immunity.

Hopefully we'll never have to worry about that.

close to 1500 lost yesterday.

but those gas prices....

wait, we have to pick one or the other to complain about? People can't care about both?



Well, then, you're right... .those gas prices, man. $100 doesn't barely get me over 1/2 tank in my truck. Diesel is through the roof!

Did you steal a tanker from the naval base or something?

I think the point being made was priorities. Higher gas prices or American corpses. Sure, you can be concerned or complain about both. But one would think that there is a clear cut winner about which one is higher on your priority list. Sadly, watching the news and listening to people talk, it seems that gas prices are higher on that list for a lot of people. But then those corpses didn't seem to be that high on some people's lists all along.

This isn't pertaining to you but a general comment based on the general reaction of higher gas prices when you compare it to safety measures that were implemented to reduce Covid deaths. I mean when people were throwing tantrums about taking measures that were proven to cut down on the spread and deaths from Covid, you have to wonder how high on their priority list those corpses were.

Former covid success stories get added to high risk travel list

j/c:



Lolz.

And 1,670 died of cancer yesterday. And 1795 died of heart disease. And 458 died in accidents. And 438 died of copd. And 405 died of stroke. And none of that has anything at all to do with the price of gas. But for hard working Americans who are trying to make ends meet the price of gas is a huge problem. They are worried about it while you seem to think they are callous and uncaring for being worried about it. Connect with real people and you will find out what their concerns are. Respect them.

Seeing United letting the unvaccinated come back to work made me wonder how many of those folks had covid and were protected better than the vaccinated employees.

No no no, don't take it the wrong way. We care about hardworking Americans and their struggles. Hell that's who progressives champion, just to get poo pooed by the very people you want to help. What's really going on here is the pain you feel in your personal life is very much connected to the world. They can't start wars on foreign soil without us feeling it. The markets can't fluctuate without us feeling it. The new middle classes of foreign markets could not develop and thrive without us feeling it for the last 50 years. Pretty much everything any world leading country does to improve their own lot, lands on the working people of the USA. I guess that's the price we pay for blindly believing that we're always #1… USA, USA, USA…

But no matter where we try to scapegoat the issues, we are the only ones to blame. Exceptionalism and muscle flexing got us the lead role, and that role is why we feel so much pain from the rest of the world trying to catch up or even be remotely like us. In the 50s and until the mid 80s, we were a true superpower due to our ingenuity and manufacturing capability. This created an economy to build a superpower military, a world ripe for fleecing by our corps, and a strong sense of American pride. Problem is, other than being a military superpower, we let all the rest fall by the wayside. Hell we figured out during this pandemic, we can't even meet our own demands for manufacturing, food production, health care, medicines, national security materials like steel, etc. And the same super corps and centrist right leaning government, that lead us through the good days into this corporatist oligarchic world, don't give a damn about you or me, because they live off the global economy, not the American economy.

And listening to their puppets on MSM from both sides, well they'll get you whipped up about the other, but I'll be damned if you will hear any original thoughts (coherent ones) offering advice or guidance. Nope, all you will get is critics picking at whatever tiny thread they can to cast shadows on the other. Look how much and how far the parties have shifted. Americans can feel that something is off, but nobody can offer any real solutions other than screw the US working people and poor. I guarantee, none of our leaders or rich feel any of this pain in their worlds. And their actions to help you amount to little more than hopes and prayers. Hell they were worried about some working class getting TOO MUCH stimulus money, AT A TIME THAT IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR MANY TO MAKE MONEY! And even though those checks helped a little, and the unemployment checks and business lending helped a little more. MOST of the money for the bailout of Americans ended up in the pockets of that same group of super corps and government leadership. You can bet your ass that Joe Manchin didn't feel a thing. He and his family are set for generations to come. And look how Ted Cruz faced disaster with Texas last winter! His kids didn't feel the same pain that the working class and poor Texans faced. Same with people like Tucker Carlson, Rachel Maddow, and Anderson Cooper; they will never feel this pain.

BTW, Biden for all the bashing he's getting damn sure seen some of this coming in his build back better packages. But he was only able to get half measures through congress before the GOP attacks took the wind out of his sails. Toss in a Putin war, the pandemic economy still struggling, and a world full of idiots… You get exactly what we have received, jack squat. Many of us have been saying this stuff since Bush tanked the economy. But we were whining… Today, my 86-year-old mother-in-law told my wife she needs to learn how to make things last longer than they normally do because 'bad times like the depression are coming again'… I about half believe that may happen.

When you hear people say elections have consequences, they are usually bickering about partisan talking points. But it has a deeper meaning, because real lives are affected by whom we elect. We don't do a good job of electing fresh faces and people who care about the working class and poor. Meanwhile, corps and the rich have all the representation they need, including yours. But yeah, the gas prices are Biden's fault… and people shouldn't laugh at struggling working people. Yet many are only really struggling mentally because they have to pay more, while continuing to support all the crap and leadership causing us all the problems. The rot starts at the core in America.

Pfizer planning to submit data on 4th Covid shot soon, while working on vaccine for all variants

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/11/pfi...working-on-vaccine-for-all-variants.html

Hmmm... seems like they're going all "nothing to see here folks" on the massive failure of the omicron-exclusive booster they worked on for six months.

Now it will be a vaccine that will work on "all variants".

Omicron wasn't even around for six months.

Jeeze, got me... they've only been working on this failure for four months.

Yet most of those hospitalized and dying are the unvaccinated by a large majority. Yes, what an abysmal failure.

It is a failure dude.

THEY NEVER CAME OUT WITH IT BECAUSE IT WAS INEFFECTIVE. PLEASE READ.

anybody else boosted? still havent got my magneto powers yet.

Yup. Vaccinated, got a booster. Daughter as well - both shots. Wife got the first one.

Weird thing is, daughter and I have both had it twice (granted, the first for both of us was just before it was called 'covid 19) The second time for both of us was in December - just a few months ago.

Weird: Wife hasn't had it - the virus. Or, IF she did, absolutely no symptoms, and yes this last time Sooga and I had it, wife tested a couple of times - negative.

I got my booster over 6 months ago.

and still no powers?

No, but I do have issues when I go into the kitchen.

So, you are no longer boosted/vaxed.

Not for nothing, but my nephew and his wife live in Florida.. He can't believe the stupidity there.. The virus is still raging there whereas here in Ohio it seems to be getting better.. So much for trying to kill mask and vaccine mandates..

I think Florida has Desantis to think for the needless deaths and illnesses.. What a dolt.

I wouldn't say it's raging here, as has been through almost all the pandemic, the hotspots are Miami/Palm Beach area and Tampa area. Orlando had it's bout with it, but that is almost expected being a huge tourist areas, same goes for Miami. Most of Florida has had small spikes here and there but never "raging"

Honestly, considering this is peak tourist season, I'm surprised it hasn't exploded, but then if you don't have symptoms, you're not getting tested, so the "cases" number across the country are probably largely inaccurate anymore.

less than 350 cases in Ohio yesterday/ 905 a day. Ohio has more cases per person than FL.

https://www.nbc4i.com/community/hea...xpected-at-2-p-m-for-final-daily-update/



Florida is average about 1400 a day & Florida ranked 37th among the states where coronavirus was spreading the fastest on a per-person basis, a USA TODAY Network analysis of Johns Hopkins University data shows.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story...hs-vaccines-hospitalizations/7033727001/

In general, there are tons and tons of failed drugs that never make it out of the development pipeline. I'm not sure if mRNA vaccines were supposed to change that, but a drug failing during development is nothing new (they just don't usually get the spotlight that these do).

or inject millions and millions of people as guinea pigs

When did that happen?

It didn't. They just latch onto and repeat anything and everything that makes them feel better about denying reality

The vast, vast majority of those who have been hospitalized and died from Covid have been unvaccinated. But that simple concept seems to escape them.

Sure.
So, let's follow the timeline:

Late December -- Pfizer and Moderna working on Omicron specific boosters.
Mid-January -- Getting ready for clinical trials, doses to be available in March. Whole world waiting because boosters are doing nothing to stop infection by Omicron.
Early February -- Study group ready with 1420 adults. Pfizer expects to manufacture 4 billion doses in 2022.
February 14th -- "...a raft of early animal studies suggest that Omicron-specific boosters offer no advantage over a third dose of current vaccines.
February 16th -- "Delivery of Pfizer (PFE.N) and BioNTech SE's vaccine to combat the Omicron COVID-19 variant was delayed by several weeks due to a slower-than expected data gathering process"
February 18th -- Moderna and Pfizer decide Omicron-specific booster may not be needed after all!


MARCH 11 -- “We are making a vaccine that covers omicron and all the other variants. There are so much trials that are going right now, and a lot of them we’ll start reading by the end of the month,” he continued later, adding that he’s optimistic from the preliminary data he’s seen so for.


To each his own, but this sounds like more selective science to me. Less than a month ago, Pfizer's Omicron-specific booster failed miserably, so much so that they basically skipped clinical trials once the results from animals came back. But now, their new vaccine will "cover omicron and all the other variants".

What am I missing, besides some fancy-new-math on the horizon?

You just keep living in that bubble of yours.

technically, everyone who got a vaccine from December 11, 2020, until August 23, 2021, was a guinea pig.



Here is a list of FDA-approved drugs that have mass-tort lawsuits and are currently causing massive issues/caused death or a fate worse much worse than death like SJS.

Abilify - compulsive gambling, shopping, eating, and sex

Actemra - heart failure, stroke, pancreatitis, lung disease, and gastrointestinal perforations

Actos - bladder cancer

Avandia - congestive heart failure and myocardial ischemia

Baycol - a severe muscle disorder called rhabdomyolysis

Belviq - colorectal, pancreatic, and lung cancer

Benicar - sprue-like enteropathy and other gastrointestinal issues

Digitek - risk of digitalis toxicity in patients with renal failure

Farxiga - risk of Fournier's Gangrene

Gadolinium - gadolinium toxicity, Gadolinium Deposition Disease, and Nephrogenic Systemic Fibrosis

Granuflo - cardiopulmonary arrest

Invokana - ketoacidosis, kidney damage, amputations

Ketek - cases of liver toxicity

Lipitor - blood clots and strokes

Paxil - extreme acts of violent behavior

PPA - stroke

Propulsid - heart problems

Protamine Sulfate - cardiac issues

Raptiva - progressive multifocal encephalopathy

Reglan - Tardive Dyskinesia

Rezulin - liver failure

Serzone - liver failure

Steroid Injection -meningitis outbreak

Stevens-Johnson Syndrome - painful blistering skin rash, peeling skin, and blistering sores

Taxotere - permanent hair loss

Tenofovir - kidney disease and bone injuries

Tequin - hyperglycemia and hypoglycemia

Testosterone - heart attacks, strokes, embolisms, and blood clots

Topamax - child birth defects

Trasylol -kidney failure, heart attack, heart failure and stroke

Tylenol - liver failure

Uloric - heart attacks and strokes

Varubi - Anaphylaxis Injuries

Viberzi - Pancreatitis Injuries

Vioxx - heart attack, stroke, even death

Xolair - severe cardiovascular and cerebrovascular issues

Yasmin-Yaz - heart attacks, strokes, deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism

Zelnorm - cardiovascular events of stroke and heart attack

Zithromax - arrhythmia and sudden death

Zofran - birth defects

Facts are a bubble? Or are they just inconvenient?

One question though... Does vaccination save lives? You forgot to put that in your last post.

Do some math. How many unvaccinated people died? How many vaccinated people died? Now I'm talking about in hospitals AFTER half or more Americans were vaccinated.

It's odd how even after half of America was vaccinated, the hospitalization and death rates were far higher in the unvaccinated and you still can't figure it out. Some people never learn.

The science is there, it's the sales and Marketing that provide the spin. Again, a drug failing while it's still in the pipeline is nothing new. Sales and Marketing driving the narrative before clinical trials even kick off is the big problem. Again, maybe mRNA is so much of a game-changer that the failure/success ratio in drug development is no longer applicable... I don't know.

I read that the omicron booster was being swept under the rug and just kinda shrugged my shoulders like, "duh".

What exactly is your point?

Vaccines were authorized (EUA), and then Pfizer (and Moderna?) were fully approved later on. This includes the requisite clinical trials and other testing.


Then you list a whole bunch of random drugs that people sued over because of side effects. Not sure if you realize, but Tylenol is on that list of yours.

1. People sue for all kinds of reasons.
2. If you have a problem with the mRNA vaccines at this point (went through the usual review/approval process) then you have a problem with the FDA doing its thing. If you're going to take some stand here, then you should probably do the same with all the other stuff they've reviewed and approved.

I get all that, bro.

I'm just trying to figure out how one month after failing to create an effective vaccine for Omicron, they suddenly have a vaccine that will "cover omicron and all the other variants".

Sounds like the best classification for that statement by Pfizer is "LIE".

Gotta hit those revenue projections, bruh!

It's hilarious how the vaccines were created to avoid serious illness and death. They have accomplished greatly reducing both. Then you try and select one minor detail while ignoring everything else to try and make a point that actually doesn't exist. And all you have to counter that is a mindless meme. Then claim it's someone else trying to move the goal posts when it's actually you trying to take the entire covid issue down to one small detail in the grand scheme of things. You have no idea how that looks.

They can't help themselves.

LOL, ok sorry. I misread that last response.

Yeah, I can't really argue with what you're saying (now that I actually read what you're saying). It's optimistic prediction/advertising to keep people wanting to come back.

Uhh, yes I do. It looks like some of us are discussing a relative subject, while you're trying to (again) enforce some kind of DT regulation that prevents any discussion besides "vaccines save lives".

I'm showing the big picture results while you are on a tangent to try and state that this is some big deal. Drugs often never make it through the trial phase. This isn't some big thing like you're trying to make it out to be. You keep using those mindless memes. It's what you do best.

I said it was "some big thing"?

You win bro.

jc

Georgia cases have dropped to practically nothing. 800 cases (cases, not deaths) in the last 3 days total.

1. They do. however..... mass-tort is much different than suing for random reasons. - Each year in the U.S., thousands of hospitalizations and hundreds of suicide deaths are caused by ingestion of Tylenol. Tylenol overdose is not immediately fatal, unlike other drugs. Death occurs due to severe liver failure which progresses over a period of days or weeks and is due to the liver being “overwhelmed” by Tylenol.

2. All I was pointing out is that I listed about 40 drugs (after FDA approval) found to cause serious injury/death and other nasty side effects from the drugs that were not discovered until years and years later.

The FDA rushed Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J through trials with months of research not decades like every other vaccine in the history of mankind. Originally, these shots were only approved for 1 dose in a year. now, we are discussing dose #4 in a year.

- If the FDA made an error, we may only have about 30% of the US population who won't be injured/dead or have a nasty side effect from the vaccines.

Well, our “dolt” governor was smart enough to know not to force covid patients into nursing homes, wasn’t he. He was smart enough to figure out quickly that the elderly were some of the most vulnerable to the virus so they needed to be protected. He was smart enough to make sure nursing home residents were among the first to get the vaccine.

Why don’t you ask residents of New York who lost loved ones who were in nursing homes because their governor was stupid enough to force nursing homes to accept covid patients if they wish they had a governor then like that “dolt” in florida.

Yet you never talk about it in percentages. You talk about the drugs the FDA approved that turned to with bad results. I wonder what that is compared to the percentages of drugs that didn't?

And maybe you should look into how viral vaccines work. If you did you would understand that side effects from viral vaccines would be quick and not something that would harm you over time.

there are 2 types of side effects
1. short term
2. long term

We have never really rushed a vaccine to the public before. Right now, we only know short-term. In 10 years, we will know long-term.

Statistically speaking, we should be fine. Only around 10% of people had a short-term side effect.

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html

Here are some of the more serious side effects of the covid vaccine:

Anaphylaxis
Anaphylaxis is a severe type of allergic reaction with symptoms such as hives, difficulty breathing, low blood pressure, or significant swelling of the tongue or lips. Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.

Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS)
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) is a rare but serious adverse event that causes blood clots or issues with clotting. TTS after COVID-19 vaccination is rare. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and adverse events, including TTS.

Myocarditis and Pericarditis
Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and adverse events, including myocarditis and pericarditis.

Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS)
Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. GBS after COVID-19 vaccination is rare. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and adverse events, including GBS.


Death
12,989 preliminary reports of death (0.0023%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

You must have forgotten this part of your sources article.

Hundreds of Millions of People Have Safely Received a COVID-19 Vaccine

More than 555 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine had been given in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 7, 2022. To view the current total number of COVID-19 vaccinations that have been administered in the United States, please visit the CDC COVID Data Tracker.

COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. COVID-19 vaccines were evaluated in tens of thousands of participants in clinical trials. The vaccines met the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA’s) rigorous scientific standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality needed to support emergency use authorization (EUA). Learn more about EUAs in this video.external icon

The Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson/Janssen COVID-19 vaccines will continue to undergo the most intensive safety monitoring in US history. This monitoring includes using both established and new safety monitoring systems to make sure that COVID-19 vaccines are safe.

Common Side Effects

After COVID-19 vaccination, some people may feel ill, with symptoms like fever or tiredness for a day or two after receiving the vaccine. These symptoms are normal and are signs that the body is building immunity. Some people have no side effects. Others have reported common side effects after COVID-19 vaccination, such as:

Swelling, redness, and pain at the injection site
Fever
Headache
Tiredness
Muscle pain
Chills
Nausea

Serious Safety Problems Are Rare

In rare cases, people have experienced serious health events after COVID-19 vaccination. Any health problem that happens after vaccination is considered an adverse event. An adverse event can be caused by the vaccine or can be caused by a coincidental event not related to the vaccine.

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html

But you keep doing you.

nope. you must have missed the part where I said:


Right now, we only know short-term. In 10 years, we will know long-term.

Statistically speaking, we should be fine. Only around 10% of people had a short-term side effect.

Here are some of the more serious side effects of the covid vaccine:

The thing about mRNA vaccines is that the way they function doesn't really lend itself to long-term side effects. The vaccine carries a message to the body to help develop antibodies, but the vaccine itself doesn't hang around very long.

That's what I was trying to tell him.

Lolz.

24% coding errors?!

South Korea reporting 600,000 new cases.

Much of Europe has increasing numbers too. Typically the US’s waves have followed a few short weeks after theirs…

like clockwork- no exceptions, to date.

Any news on the second booster (4th dose)?

Except we're seeing spikes in places that were considered a covid success. South Korea, Hong Kong, Western Australia and New Zealand. Just goes to show the virus was going to get to everyone eventually.

No, it doesn't mean that at all, smfh.

We are down to about 3 percent of the peak cases from January. 30k versus 800k

Deaths per day have fallen below a 1000 per day and dropping steadily.

We will pass a million deaths soon, I wonder how many would have not died if we approached this in a non political manner.

A lot of lives were lost, but a lot were saved by the vaccines.

My comments are not meant to be positive or negative, just sad.

https://www.wlwt.com/article/this-k...a-ba-2-wave-could-be-in-the-us/39455269#

Recent studies show that vaccine timing matters, too. Data collected by the UK's Health Security Agency shows that vaccine effectiveness against 0micron fell to 10% for infections, 35% of hospitalizations and 70% for deaths six months or more after the second dose.



An analysis by the U.K. Health Security Agency shows that the BA.2 subvariant of omicron is about 80% more contagious than BA.1, the virus that caused the last wave of infections in the U.S. over the winter. Cases and hospitalizations are rising in the UK and several other European countries where BA.2 has become the dominant strain.




Omicron BA.2 is similar to the variant that caused this winter’s spike, BA.1. But it has 20 different mutations, four of them on a crucial region of the spike protein. These disparities are likely part of the reason BA.2 appears to be considerably more transmissible than the original Omicron — 33 percent, according to one Danish study. BA.2 is also thought to infect vaccinated people more easily than its forebear, though, fortunately, it does not appear to be any deadlier. First detected in the Philippines in November, the variant spread widely in South Africa and India in December and has since become the dominant strain around the world.



Four to six months after a third dose, boosters were about 40% to 50% effective at preventing omicron infections



In the U.S., the CDC estimates that 43% of Americans have antibodies from a past infection to fight off COVID-19. Seniors are the least likely to have this protection, however, with just 23% of adults over age 65 testing positive for antibodies from a previous infection.

Yeah, stopping 70% of deaths sounds pretty good to me.

which doesn't make any sense because vaccine effectiveness against 0micron fell to 10% for infections six months or more after the second dose.

It makes perfect sense. The vaccines will greatly reduce symptoms and deaths if you get Covid. That's how it's been all along.

No, it makes sense. It means you still have a decent chance of getting infected but you have a lot less of a chance of being hospitalized and significantly less chance of dying.

if something is only 10% effective after 6 months how can it remain 70% effective?

To me, I'm 99% sure those stats are BS.

after the 3rd dose.

according to that article, only 36% of US adults have gotten the 3rd shot.

so, why did covid basically disappear in the USA?

Because all those who were not vaccinated have had Covid.

You really don't follow what's going on do you? During the height of Omicron well over 2000 people a day were dying. That was less than a month ago. Omicron is waning and a new variant is now coming on the scene. Covid hasn't "basically disappeared". Covid has increased and decreased in intensity in waves. This isn't new and where in the hell you got this idea from is beyond me.

COVID finally got me and the entire family.
We won't officially be recorded as COVID cases because we used at-home test kits.
I am thinking that these at-home tests are probably distorting the numbers in a big way.

Also interesting is that I contacted a couple of physicians office via telehealth to see if they were doing anything for treating patients. They basically aren't prescribing anything unless you end up in the hospital. Believe it or not, the one office was completely unaware that new anti-viral treatments had gotten emergency use approval several months ago.

There's no doubt the at home tests are keeping the case count down. And sadly, no I'm not surprised they were unaware of the FDA approval. Choosing a good and well informed physician is one of the most critical things one can do. I had a great doctor in Ohio and when I moved to Tennessee I had to go through a few doctors before I found one I felt was very well informed and thorough.

j/c...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...nt-cases-falling-globally-says-rcna22143


Covid deaths jump 40%!

Article says this is due to an "accounting change" in the U.S. and a few other countries. So... an accounting change that obviously raises death rates... as infection rates are still in a free-fall in most places.

Wondering what this accounting change is but having no luck in finding any article explaining it... probably none of my business.

What I did learn is previous practice is to count people with Covid listed as cause of death... as well as anyone who had Covid within the last 60 days whether it was the cause of death or not.

I had no idea!

Wonder why we're changing things now...

They switched to common core math. They're not as concerned with the answers being correct as they are that the method is being used correctly. That's seriously what one of my son's math teachers told me.

It is an effort to keep people focused on Covid and not start looking at other things.