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Who said that? Is there an actual quote of someone making that comment?

nothing attributable to anyone specific, but it was a reported quote from a reputable reporter as it having come from "someone with the Browns organization"

I feel like my bond to this team gets more threadbare by the year. These days it’s by the day. Going after Watson of all people, wagering the present for that kind of future with that guy and when it was clear we were a long shot anyway… just kinda dumb. What I liked about these guys is that they’re supposed to be the smart guys. How did they not game plan for this? It really was always the most likely outcome: no Watson, pissed mayfield. Maybe things settle down and Mayfield walks it back we go into the season with plan A but the water is very muddy now. The sense that we’re all pulling in the same direction even if we’re not totally sold on Baker is gone now. I really thought we were getting beyond the “old Browns” tropes but here we are.

I heard the phrase "adult QB" from Zac Jackson on the local morning sports talk show, and later from Chris Mortenson on a tweet. It came across as a Browns PR strategy to counter public opinion of them going after Watson, which is laughable considering what Watson was facing because of his behavior. Point being, when you you hear two media types using the same talking points from the same source, it means it's what they wanted to put out there.

The Browns are denying that anyone – at least at the top of the organization – told ESPN’s Chris Mortensen the team wanted " an adult” at QB. That could be true. But I have known Mortensen since he was a baseball writer in the early 1980s in Atlanta and I covered the Tribe for The Plain Dealer.

Mortensen is a man of integrity who doesn’t make stuff up. It came from someone with the Browns.

Terry Pluto Article

Watch the play with the wording.

They said that no one "at least at the top of the organization – told ESPN’s Chris Mortensen the team wanted " an adult” at QB"

What they didn't say is that no one at the top of the organization said that
What they didn't say was that no one in the organization said that to Mort
What they didn't say is that this is not how they feel.

Words have meanings and context is everything.

This x2.

This is a business, and a tough one. Need to have thick skin to make it.

I think that Duke Johnson's Tweet was right ..... this is a trainwreck ..... with no evidence of getting better.

Thank you DeShaun Watson for not picking the Browns and forcing me to do some major gymnastics. Also thank you to DeShaun Watson for eliminating the Browns quickly so we don’t have endure this decision making process.

He'll announce Monday afternoon... just in time to dominate the primetime headlines...

What a stark contrast in the way Matt Ryan is handling all of this...

There was also something out there saying how the falcons discussed all of this with him beforehand too. That might have something to do with it.

Could be a potential landing spot for Baker.

Browns said no, we'll see if they stick to their guns. I hope Baker goes to a good team with nice jerseys, all I will say.

Does Baker know he's not very good?

Not sure, but I bet he knows he's better at QB and knows more about football than you and your entire gene pool. So he has that going for him.

Yet I've been saying for a long, long time that Baker is mentally weak and pretty much got answers like yours. Now those who enjoyed insulting me are changing their tune.

You could see this coming a mile away. Bad QBs are like an infectious disease. Bad QBs who don't work on their craft, are mentally shallow, and don't perform under expectations can destroy a franchise.

We still disagree on rather Baker is bad or good. And no matter what you think, the truth is, he's the best we've had since Bernie.

Now thats the truth

I would take Vinny Testeverde, Tim Couch, and Derek Anderson before Baker every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.

Well from our talks in PP, I can see why.

True, but that's quite the low bar. The Browns should absolutely be looking to improve the position. The fact that the Browns never even reached out to Baker's team to even engage in contract extension talks after the playoff win should have told everyone that they were not sold him. I do not think he was ever in their long term plans.

Who cares that it's a low bar? Do we all forget the 20 years on the QB carousel? You want to sift through 20 or 30 more? A bird in the hand… We all know Baker has the arm talent, the rest is on the other team members, coaching, and system. But yeah, Baker is garbage for a QB and garbage for wanting a trade after he got demeaned (called a non-adult) and jilted without so much as a peep of warning. I'm so damn mad at how this was all handled that if Baker goes before the season, I might just go with him after 50 + years of die hard following this dumpster fire. I hate Art Model's ghost at this point.

I know this won’t go over well but comparing Bernie like he was this elite qb is a fallacy. He was serviceable and played on a good complete team. But he was pretty average. I know compared to what we’ve had that would look amazing. But one thing I will give the FO credit for is seeing that Baker isn’t that elite qb that you build around and is trying desperately to get that position buttoned up. Just the way they did it seemed a bit callous

Not only was it callous, it blew up in their face, putting the Browns back by 2, 3, 4, 5 years.

Idiotic move.

I did just fine not watching the nfl when the Browns were gone. I jumped away from nascar when money became the driving force. I can do without watching the Browns. (as a result of eh, I don't remember. A dispute between whatever company and dish network, I didn't get to see them much this year anyway)


Screw Jimmy Haslam. I know millionaires are used to getting their way, regardless. I can only imagine billionaires.........


Jimmy, ya done screwed up. Again. Might be time to just sit back and enjoy your money. Cause you aren't getting anymore of mine.

j/c....

This seems exhausting.

No massage therapists?

I have two daughters ... I can't support a team that would sign a QB with over 20 women accusing him of sexual rape or misconduct. I saw Baker playing hurt when he shouldn't have been and not it sounds like they want to run him out of town. It makes me wonder if they ended up permanently damaging him because they wouldn't bench him to save him from himself. I don't see any QB's in the draft that would immediately make us better than playing Baker.

It's possible there are things going on with Baker that is not known to us to make them want to get rid of him but I think it's crazy to throw him away when we have no real plan to replace him with anything better other than a serial rapist who probably doesn't want to play here anyways.

There is a plan. This is Andrew Berry’s team not Mike Holmgren or Ray Farmer. We just found today that Watson wasn’t coming. These things take time.

j/c

I will miss the DW threads.

I fully expect there is a plan. However, we may not be able to step right into it. It may require one or two interim stages before we get to where we want to be....

Yep, I'm sure the calculus was in their favor, and it's all well thought out.

I like how we go from having geniuses in the front office to the three stooges because they don’t like Baker (which was pretty obvious). These are the same guys most of us loved like six months ago.

6 months ago we weren't the laughing stock of the league. Now, thanks to them, we have once again acquired the laughing stock crown.

Who is laughing? Most people I see think the team is smart to move in from Baker?

Never? What about taking Greg Newsome? Signing Nick Chubb to a reasonable extension? Stealing JOK? Fixing the offensive line?

Let’s not be a prisoner of the moment because we are emotional over a player that we liked getting the raw end of a deal.

John Dorsey trying to preserve his reputation. Yawner.

Can we have John Dorsey back? He is the only one who knows how to build a team.