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If you are a FO and you feel just "OK" with your QB, you probably aren't going anywhere.

Folks can line up and take sides on the QB and FO situation as always .. Some will be to be right and some wrong . I have very low expectations for the season as of today. I will however be very interested in seeing how the Berry / Stefanski situation play's out .

I was talking about positions in general. But if you already feel the person you have at that position can get the job done than why would you alienate them and try to get someone else?

To me, by trying to get someone else they don't think he can get the job done. I think it is that simple.

Now, one might not agree with the idea that he can't get the job done but I think the FO actions tend to speak for itself.

Other teams have QBs on rookie contracts.

Jc

Trade for Jordan love?

The problem with this is that the NFL isn't like most jobs. Teams bring in a default 7 new "workers" every year and only 53 can be kept. Most jobs profits don't rely on the business's wins and losses in head to head competition with other "businesses" that are constantly adding new talent. Most workers don't take a job with your non-NFL business because of one other employee.

Von Miller went to Buffalo to play with Josh Allen. Quite a few players seem to be waiting on Watson's decision. It doesn't seem like Baker is a draw for any free agents after last season.

How many businesses are going to keep an employee with an oversized ego that constantly has to be handled with kids' gloves when he's performing below average when compared to his peers? Oh, and his salary is about to double and he wants even more money than that on a long-term deal.

At a regular business, the "entire world" isn't watching out for a disgruntled employee's social media. At a regular business an employee wouldn't release a passive aggressive "thank you" to the business's customers or at least the business's customers probably wouldn't even be following him.

It's a Not For Long hyper-competitive business. It's not a committed romantic relationship, either. Teams are always looking for better. Better isn't always available, but teams are always looking.

Love sucks

I disagree. You are always looking to improve every position whenever possible.

This. I'm really curious how things go from here. If this wasn't a FO-defining moment before, it certainly is now.

Stainbrook made an interesting point. I'm of the opinion that Matt Ryan is probably our best bet in terms of bringing in a vet (if it's true that any chance of Baker playing next season is gone). If Watson goes to ATL, then we could force the issue some by getting Mayfield to the Colts in a hurry.

Damn - 27 other rookie QBs ... sorry, there were 4 others who tried to trade for Watson. Let's do the math:

Watson top 5.
4 teams tried to trade.
9 out of 32. So there are 23 rookie contracts? Damn.

Matt Ryan is a very, very bad QB. Very bad. You can pretty much lock in 5-12 or worse if that happens.

There really are no good options. I think the best option is Jimmy G. While somewhat of a Baker clone, he's an upgrade over Baker. He's a little better.

The next option is we better hope they liked someone in the draft and can get him.

Otherwise, it's back to the basement. But it was going to be that way with Baker as well. This FO's hands were really tied.

This is the result when 1st overall picks don't workout. You just can't miss on those. Some teams get lucky when they are drafting #1 overall. Of course, not the Browns.

Imagine how that would go over, they chase Matt Ryan, and claim it's because they need a "Mature" Adult in the QB room, then Matt goes to Indy instead.

Then I would sit back with my popcorn and watch the board light up.

It's not even April, yet, and I'm already in the boat of feeling like I will be perfectly fine not even watching this team, or even following them going forward. I think I've finally had enough, and I'm just feeling done with it all.
I mean, how many times should we sit through watching this team APPEAR to *finally* be making strides only to ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS shoot themselves in the foot OVER AND OVER AND OVER with manufactured drama and gross mismanagement? It's clear that even the new guys are just the Same ol' Browns, so why bother?


The hardest part will be not following, though, simply because of this site, lol. It's not going anywhere, so I'll still find myself here, which means I'll read and post, but I'm just completely done with these clowns.

Darn shame Chris !

This is where I am as well. Great summation.

I'll take your word on Matt Ryan. Obviously, he's not going to set anyone's world on fire, but we need a bridge between where we are now and our next "guy", who I assume will come via the draft.

I think the FO's move to improve the QB has failed miserably. At this point, it looks like Keenum will be our starter. IMO, that's a giant step back from healthy Baker, and I'd argue breaking even from unhealthy Baker.

I'm not far behind, may be time to just go ahead and make Tampa MY primary team. And my best friend is a life long Buffalo fan, so I can cheer for them as well.

Except there's the possibility that trading Ryan to Indy for a pick that will go to Houston is part of the Watson deal.

j/c...

Fuel up the Goodtime III!

Then why didn't Berry and KS go after a QB when they first got here or after the 2020 season? Why didn't we try to draft Burrow or Herbert? or Lawrence, Wilson or Lance? or try to trade for Rodgers last year? If they don't think he can be the guy why did they wait 2 years?

We are a long way form being able to map out any sort of plan or forecast .. but getting Ryan and drafting Willis might be the best outcome from all of this. Willis sits behind an aging QB who probably has enough in the tank to run KS offense. Willis sits for a year.

I hate the idea of adding a pick to get Ryan ... that's nuts to me. I'd say the pick should come OUR way based on conditions.

And yet the Falcons have won a total of 18 games over the past 3 seasons. (combined)

Bro have you seen how trash their defense is?

Wins are not a QB stat

Matt Ryan is a very bad QB.

Please no.

Neither are 4th Q comebacks...until an agenda requires it.

Do you think Baker is a good QB?

Yes I do.

He’s not very bad. He’s average. Which is a huge upgrade from last year.

Can I ask what leads you to that conclusion? It's a serious question. Not trying to be snarky.

Seriously, he's not even average. You literally have no chance to win with him. I don't care what the numbers say, he is very bad.

He is average and he's not getting better...

Over a QB with a torn shoulder, and injuries to both legs ..... I wou.ld sure hope so.

I can only speak for myself - but one factor is that, before he was hurt in week 2 this year, and the 9 previous games at the end of last year he was ranked by PFF as the 5th best QB in the NFL. And because, despite a terrible defense last year that gave up lots of game losing drives after Baker had taken the lead in the 4th Q - we still went to the playoffs and won a game. That's just me. I fully acknowledge that I don't pay any attention to how awful he was after week 2 of last year because he was badly hurt.

Funny that keeps getting omitted. I mean factually if we just talk about the QB last year - it was bad. But then it doesn't take much to dig just a little deeper. . . . I guess the next thing I will see is how (I think it was) Josh Allen played with a torn labarum - of course the injuries were nothing alike and Josh didn't have a broken humerus or a shoulder harness the size of a shopping basket ... but you know.