DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2022 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 24 Jaguars 13 Postgame Thoughts

It’s preseason. You hate to see the injury to Harris. It didn’t look promising. Tretter has to be an option IMO. Pocic can’t be our center.

- I thought Watson and the first team (i use that term generously) looked disorganized, which is probably to be expected
- Schwartz just isn’t it. He was BAD tonight.
- A rare Johnson mistake with the fumble … hopefully that’s the only one of the year
- I thought Ford was the star of the night on offense .. he’s got some promise in the league (IMO he’s better than Felton right now)
- Thomas on defense impressed me … he was all over the place.
- Emerson made the play of the night. Heck of an effort by him
- Cade York was perfect … just what the doctor ordered
- DPJ had two bad mistakes. I hope Bell and Cooper can be a big upgrade to what we saw from the WRs
- Dobbs and Rosen were serviceable for us. That was kind of a bright spot.

First I'm thinking, it's not fair to Deshaun Watson to make him play in the Ist @uarter with Anthony Schwartz.
then, I think, is there any @B that could have completed those passes to Schwartz that didn't have a snowballs chance.

Then, .. What the heck is A. Schwartz playing in the first *uarter for anyway, why is he first string.
THEN
What coach put A Schwartz out there with the starters, don't they have eyes, this can't be a thing nobody else sees.
Then THEN THEN

Do the Coaches even have the authority in this analytics Barbara stesisa nd era, to even knock A Schwartz down the depth chart so he's NOT in in the first @uarter.
And Why not.
Anthony Schwartz was in the game when Mayfield got injured.
Anthony Schwartz was in the game at least one play before Nick Harris got carted off tonight.

Are you saying DPJ played tonight?
Like much of last year, I think he was invisible. ( Oh well, it was only a couple snaps that the ones got to be in the game anyway.)

My main thought is that it sucks if Harris is out for the year. I feel bad for him.

Otherwise, the rest of the game is ...’whatever’.

Yes. He’s waited two years for his shot then he blows out his knee the second play of preseason.

Rewatching the game right now as it’s on NFLN … a few other things:

Willie Harvey continues to somehow remain on our roster lol

Ford’s fumble was pretty unlucky because he made a great snag and move

I’m not as concerned about our DL depth as I have been in years past, but Alex Wright needs a lot of seasoning

I hadn't thought of this before, but.
What is the plan for Anthony Schwartz. I don't remember, and does anyone else remember,
Do ya remember that one time, ( Just ONE TIME), when the Browns, even Attemped:
Even attempted to put the LEAGUE ON NOTICE, that they showed that they can throw a BOMB to Anthony Schwartz because he is the fastest guy on earth, and

if the rest of the NFL doesn't watch out, Anthony Schwartz is going to Burn them deep,

does anyone remember the ONE TIME, the Browns showed that, even as a TARGET, whether it went as a catch, drop, or int. or whatever,
Because it's been a Year and a Pre-season GAME
(a year and a pre-season game) (analytics is --awful)



and Still, there is no Highlight reel where Anthony Schwartz, the fastest guy on the sprinters track, has even had a Target:
on a deep sideline , or a deep BOMB behind the others' secondary or a
deep play where the ball thrown into the end zone,
and Anthony Schwartz' game is on display, that one, --- that highlight, that puts the league on notice,, (the Yes, play) where we see, that that is why the team went out and brought in Anthony Schwartz.


Because I don't remember it, and I don't think it even exists, and if they can't... well then What is the plan for Anthony Schwartz, if they can't even utilize his speed, even on a, a TARGET/ a pass-attempt
let alone if it would ever be complete or not.
I mean, Only in Cleveland.
edit:
if I could Explain.
I DON'T HATE ANTHONY SCHWARTZ,
I HATE the THINKING, that DECIDED, to put him where he is and to treat A. Schwartz like a starting WR, instead of treat A. Schwartz like a UDFA that barely had a chance to make the team, and only because of one metric, speed.
It's not His fault, it's the analytics departments' fault.

No doubt.

That said, I don't think he was going to be very good. He is just too small IMO. He was overwhelmed on that play, and he was in that position a lot when he played last season. It was just a matter of time before he buckled his knee. I suppose it is better now than later in the season.

I like Piocic and I also like Deaton. In the long run we will be better off playing those guys.

I wasn't able to watch the game and trying to learn things from the Game Day thread was exhausting. So, thanks for the information. I'd appreciate any info about how players looked from anyone else who watched the game. Seems like Watson played poorly? Did all the OL starters play? How did Winfrey look? Sounds like Thomas was active. Did J. Phillips play and did he look improved if he did play? How did Greedy do? Did Bell play?

It would be tempting to criticize him but a 15 minute stint in a pre season game means nothing. Zero. Not to mention playing with a bunch of disoriented WR who has a first touch similar to a blind water buffalo What’s more concerning is our play calling, similar head scratching decisions as last season with nearly the same results. Thankfully it can’t get worse so no need to get more depressed then usual.

Even if we saw mostly our second and third string players our defense looked more solid then I remember from last season. Time will tell but as mention in the beginning of my post, pre season is like a fore play, without a happy ending it means nothing

Togiai and Elliott looked pretty good on the interior. Elliott added strength while maintaining and perhaps improving his quickness. Togiai had some nice redzone snaps taking on double teams and seemed around the ball a lot. Winfrey needs to work a lot on his pad level. He got pushed 5 yards downfield a few times. He had some nice snaps, too, but consistency is an issue.

It's hard to evaluate Watson as Schwartz had a pair of drops that stalled drives. Throw in Harris going down on play 2 and interesting fan chants, and it's not the greatest environment. He looked a bit like he hadn't played in a couple years, but then, he hasn't played in a couple years even without the distractions.

Takitaki seems to continue to improve in space. Had a nice coverage rep that stood out to me, and I'm always surprised a bit when it happens because I expected him to be more of an in the box bruiser when we drafted him.

Ford looked quick, almost Chubb like in the way he burst past people.

It was apparent that guys need to get acclimated to tackling/being tackled and full speed/power blocking.

I’d say the entire first team offense (it was without A LOT of true first team guys) was very poor. Not great blocking, poor route running/catching, penalties that backed up drives, etc. It was just very rusty.

Winfrey was a non factor from what I saw, but Elliott looked improved and stronger to me. Also, the rookie Thomas was very disruptive .. I thought along with Ford he was the star of the night. Emerson had the one big play, but I’m a little concerned with his technique and positioning (but he’s very physical).

Good point. I could tell when the game began that JAX was used to playing at game physicality and we weren’t yet

Having LeCharles Bentley flashbacks.

I dont expect that. The jaguars didnt look disorganized.

I understand Watson played poorly doesn't do it justice. And it's not the whole thing. ONE, none of the offensive skill players played, not Hunt, or Chubb, I don't remember if either of the 2 TEs did, but Cooper was out, Bell Wr was out because of injury, I heard those pregame,
and the 6th round WR from Okla wasn't going to play iirc,
It's not that Watson played poorly.
It was that the offense, was a disaster while Watson was in there,
In fact, I'm pretty sure the radio broadcaster used the words honestly and trainwreck in the same sentence description, at or about the 6rh offensive snap.
I remember the first two offensive plays were passes, maybe playaction, but uickly developing into a known pass situation at the dropback after the snap, and both uickly incomplete. On one of the first two drives- one of the 3rd down plays was a pass, kind of one of those forced into the spot throws we've seen in the past, and it just wasn't there. At some point Watson on Camera was, ya know, pointing and discussing with his teammates while coming off the field.

The OL starters, ... Conklin did not play, LT played I forget who, iirc. Bitonio, Harris, Teller, and RT I think was supposedly a starter to, though I don't think it was Hubbard or Conklin, I think the OL starters all played except Conklin, I just didn't hear/remember their names.

How did Winfrey look. They tried to upplay Winfrey for a couple of good plays on the broadcast but, I dunno, that's largely just my opinion though. The Defense played exceptionally, were just ok-to pretty good in the first uarter, but
after the 2nd uater on, the defense made a bunch of big plays. Isaiah Thomas, looked like a Gem or a pass rusher out there, and got beat around the corner once, I, T, had 2 sacks iirc, maybe a forced fumble.
Rochelle had a big sack / fumble there to.
The Refs took away a fumble recovered by the Browns where the Jags @b literally was being flung when he released the ball.

Alex Wright De may have played but was invisible.
Isaiah Thomas was Not invisible played like wow.
UDFA Safety Anthony Bell was not invisible played well
Listen: Javonte Moffatt, I'm glad to see him back, I think around February I saw his name on the Jets roster? Jovante Moffatt was in the game in a Browns uniform and made plays I like Moffatt, he has some of the same road to making the team had to prove it as others.

The starting Db's they made some plays, the ones who did play, (the I's ) made some plays in the red zone but gave up one complete pass early on the first couple snaps of the Jaguars game, a 40 ish yard pass.
The first @uarter DL against the run, was either bad, or whew he didn't break that reach tackle, or sporadic, so it wasn't good.

There were some defenders, who made some plays while blitzing, tackles for loss, by the Browns against the Jaguars who I don't remember having heard their name ever before.
J Phillips may not have played or was invisible to me.
How did Greedy play, Greedy played pretty dang well even though the refs got him on an illegal contact iirc, or grab.

Tony Fields Lb played, and got a call against him on a late hit, that even the TV announcers said there was nothing he could have done that he broke off contact. But Tony Fields I like him and I think he had more good than bad out there.

Tommy Togiai played at some point early. I do remember after a good Browns play on defense early, I couldn't tell exactly who did what but they were , (yes they were) they were praising Jordan Elliott.
The Defense, Man the defense played like they have 30 players who could make plays during the regular season.

Thanks for all the player analysis guys. That helps a lot.

j/c…

Reason #89 not to play starters in a preseason game.

Well, that sucks.

Jerome Ford. Jerome Ford played the bulk of the game at Rb,
Even though I can say he made some big plays ( a 30 yarder, and Even though I can say he made some cut moves that worked for big gains, including one clear occasion, (and not the only occasion), where he started inside and then bounced it outside when nothing was there and turned nothing into 7 ish yards.
EVEN THOUGH he looked as good
as you could possibly expect, ( excluding the fumble after he fought for the line to gain that was a fumble)

I can still say, in the eyeball test, whether it was posture, or top gear speed, or holding the ball to high when he ran, or angles, or SOMETHING, something looked unpolished and definetly Raw about his first game. (Ben Gay Rb, 2004ish, ran smoother imo)
But He also had more than one catch, and more than one catch for a Rb in a preseason game is noteworthy.

I don't know if Demetric Felton played..? Jamarcus Bradley??-,--or somebody else returned the first kickoff it wasn't Felton.
John Kelly barely played, or I wasn't paying attention when if he did. But I think he had at least one snap/carry.

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Ford
. (vs. William Green? William Green ran with more power and more fluid but Ford had better east west hips in Greens first ever game I saw him in in preseason?
vs. whatshis name round one not tannehill. Ford may have had better vision but whatshisname hit the hole better of the 4 , Ben Gay, Ford, William Green and Ist round pick who didn't work out- what's his name, Ford definetly looked the least fluid, and least smooth.
... against Lorenzo White, Peyton Hillis?
White was shifty er, White was always shiftier maybe even moreso than Ford but he was built skinnier than Ford is,
Peyton Hillis had more power but didn't have, Hillis is the only one I can think of in comparison to lack of smootheness to my memories of their very first time I saw them run.
Maybe, I999 rb. (Prentice) .. JJ, James Jackson 200I James Jackson was always smooth but, well power he had some but on such a small frame it couldn't materialize and JJ couldn't east -west break anything
Ford vs. Crowell's first ... I don't remember seeing Crowell's first games, Crowell was more of a through the whole or else, even if it was into a collapsing tunnel... Ford vs. jamal lewis? Ford looked a lot/little like jamal Lewis, like a miniature version of something looks like next to a full sized version of the same thing.
I can't compare Fords first preseason game to Chubb or Hunt, they are totally different running styles
and have I ever seen Chubb or Hunt in a preseason game, I don't recall them.
( I don't care how stupid that ^ reads it was a series of tangents)
edit: It was Trent Richardson who I couldn't remember his name.

Or kill each other during camp.

I watched some of the game today. The Jaguars’ announcers often times couldn’t be bothered to say the names of Browns players who made a tackle of whatever, there were a few guys wearing jersey #s that I couldn’t identify.

Most of our staters on the OL didn’t play, but the announcers overlooked that when talking about his great the Jacksonville run D was playing. They overlooked a lot of stuff actually.


Our punter (don’t know his name) boomed a couple good ones, and I did see Philips make some nice plays. Winfrey has a nice play, busting up the middle to get after the QB, although earlier in this thread someone mentioned he had a tough time of it on some plays.

Nice to see York make all the kicks. Schwartz dropped two easy catches in the first half. He might need to hit the bricks if that continues. Getting tired of him, he best turn it around fast.

I have yet to watch - don't know if I will actually. But, Schwartz has had trouble catching apparently.

As a receiver in the NFL, shouldn't that be .........like, automatic? It's not jr. high, nor high school. Catch the damn ball, or it won't get thrown to you, I don't care how fast your 40 time is.

I think Watson read the field ok...But as most said the offense looked disorganized. I mean it was bad.

From last years starting OLine, only Teller and Wills played. and Nick Harris left on Play#2 Wills had his hands full with the #1 pick overall...And I gotta admit that kid was impressive. Among the reserves...Petrula, the Tackle had a rough day. Drew Forbs at LG looked serviceable...against last teamers...(but in his credit...he would have his guy at the line of scrimmage where the rest of the OLine was getting pushed back...) Overall, the run blocking we are known for was not really there...and I don't think it was the amazing run D of the Jags...as the announcers would have you think....I think the only starting skill player outside of Watson that played was Njoku who had a decent 7 yrd catch from Watson...his only completion. Actually I think all of out TE's played well. Daylen Baldwin (WR) made some nice catches(tough catches). The Browns were 17 of 25 passing and 7 of those catches were to running backs so take that as you will. Speaking of RB...Jerome ford looks good straight line but doesn't seem shifty...he had a good game. He has good hands in the pass game. John Kelly made more than would be expected from his chances. I like this kid and the way he runs...he is relentless. But it was kind of all for naught as all of the bad blocking pushed his total to 20 yards on 10 attempts.

Alex Wright isn't the next coming of Garrett...But we should not put that kind of expectation from him. But I do think he did well. he wasn't a huge factor...But when moved to the left side...you could tell he was far more comfortable there and was more disruptive. Isaiah Thomas had a good night...relentless motor and was very disruptive. As mentioned before...Perrion Winfrey needs to work on his pad level...Overall not bad, I felt a bit unpolished. Bryan and Elliott were better than I expected...Isaac Rochell had a nice day being disruptive as well as Chris Odom...I think they helped their causes. I felt Greedy played well as did AJ Green...but you didn't hear their number often...D'Anthony Bell (S #37) was all over the field and near the ball...I thought he had a good game. Moffat was..ok in my eyes...he gave up an easy 4th down catch...only to make up for it on the next play with a sack. The LB's did not stand out...but weren't victimized either. And obviously saving the best for last, MJ Emmerson had the play of the game. That was plain nasty filthy....lol... Looking forward to seeing more...

Cade York was a little left on the first kick...and it looked like it ticked him off because he was dead c enter the rest of the way...LOL....Both punters did well...Bojourquez had Boomers but Charlton still averaged 50 with no returns...So in some ways you can pick your poison there.

Facts!

That's why I said what I said. If you can't catch the ball, you're not a receiver. Period. I don't care how fast you can run.

Two guys who caught my eye…

Isiaih Thomas. Two sacks and a 7 yard TFL. Kid looks strong

D’Anthony Bell. Made a couple of nice hits and got a sack. Also forced a fumble. May make the team from the talk about him. He is down the list at safety.

Thanks again to those of you who have provided analysis of individual players. It really helps those of us who didn't get to see the game.

I don't care about play calling, situational football, intensity, etc in preseason games. But, you can learn some things about individuals based on their individual play.

Not sure if you saw a video of it or nor, but Emerson had a heck of play on the pick 6. Ripped the ball out the receivers hand, stiff-armed another guy to the ground and took it to the house.

The USFL guy also had a sack. Not sure he did much else.

York kicks like a kicker.

Dobbs and Rosen looked ok.

Thanks Cap. Yeah, I watched Emerson's interception. He looks big and strong. Didn't he get beat a few times????

Did anyone zero in on Pocic after Harris went down?

i think he was from Seattle and wasn’t very good, so I’m wondering if he’s our long term answer

I believe he got beat on the very first play for a long gainer. He gave up another catch if I remember correctly a slant.

Hopefully, they go get Tretter.

Thanks.

I wonder if Tretter is blackballed? He has had excellent PFF numbers for quite some time. No way he should be unemployed unless he does not want to play. I haven't heard anything about him retiring.

Well, he is 31. That could have something to do with it. But he is plug and play for us with no gel time.

I keyed in a few times on Perrion Winfrey and nothing really stood out. I couple times he was late off the snap and seemed slow. Anyone else notice anything?

Thanks I didnt notice much either. i saw some people praise him on twitter, but I didn’t’ see much

I see Pdawg answered. I agree with what he said.

When do we resign Tretter?

He’s probably trying to miss most of training camp.

Hopefully tomorrow

I thought Foristall, Miller Foristall the TE caught the pass from Watson, Foristall had 2 catches, the only positive plays of the first uarter.

I really hope Tretter is a possibility. Since hes the player rep for the union, does he have to be rostered to maintain that status?

It is what it is. I am sure that if it was Browns announcers calling the game, Jags fans would have the same beef.

I agree that Schwartz needs to pick it up in a hurry. The problem is Schwartz is a high enough draft pick that the GM usually isn't willing to cut ties this early, even if it is the right move. I know I wouldn't want to be that rookie who has played and practiced well to be cut knowing Schwartz looked like a bum. I also know I wouldn't want to be Stefanski sitting there telling the kid we were moving in a different direction.

Blown picks happen. No big deal. The big deal is when a team insists on sticking with a blown pick. That can't be excused.

He was re-elected in March to serve as President for another 2-year term, so apparently he does not have to be on a roster. I assuming he would have to retire to not lose his spot as president of the NFLPA.

That could be true. He was adamant about the players getting more time off and shortening TC.

Is he available? I know a team that might use him . . . .

Yes, he is still a free agent.

Somebody in the division will snag him this week while the FO brings in some UDFA centers...

Loved the Pick 6. Emerson seem to get more comfortable as he played more....

Overall, Watson didn't play well.. Schwartz didn't play well.... Ford was fun to watch.

First preseason game so I wasn't expecting much....

The rule is that he must’ve been on a team within the last 12 months.

I'm kind of confused as they definitely interviewed Njoku and asked him how it felt to catch Watson's first pass during the broadcast.

As others have said, Jerome Ford and Thomas jumped off the screen.

Emerson looked like a rookie until that one play. Hopefully a sign of things to come.

Thanks guys

It was Njoku who caught Watson's pass. I do not think Forrestall came into the game until after Watson left. Njoku and Bryant were out there for the Watson possessions. Unfortunately, so was Schwartz.

"So was Schwartz." Why is he on this group? Why the targets?

Has he done much in camp? Some highlights that went unmentioned? Somebody must love his game to ignore how lousy he has been. SPEED. He is faster to the drop than anybody we have. This is a spot on the roster needs filled with a proven vet IMO. But for pity's sake, don't trust him with the ball until he shows better game. It better be soon.

I watched the replay and generally agree with most of the comments.

Thomas, Baldwin, Odom, and Fields forced me to look them up or try to remember where they came from. Nice to see someone unexpected show up.

Baldwin was another player of intrigue … he made a few nice plays and we all know we can use all the help we can get at WR

Some of you commented on Thomas and I liked what I saw of his college highlights. He could be a real sleeper.

Jerome Ford looked as advertised. Acceleration, burst.
But the thing is, this RB room really need another RB?
Emerson showed alot on that INT. He out muscled
The intended target for the ball. Then simply outran everyone
To the end zone.
But most alarming to me was how much of a non factor the
WRs were in the game. The Browns WRs did nothing to
Help the offense.
I though Isiah Thomas looked like he could be a contributing
Player at DE. But let's not overlook how many DEs in
The past looked like the next coming of Jason Taylor
In the preseason and failed when it really counted.
You have factor the level of competition across from him.

Wasn't Ford's deal that he had all the talent in the world, but just couldn't stay healthy in college?

Ford a TD machine last year for The Bearcats. He was healthy.
He scored 20 TDs last year. He didn't start till last year.
So his body doesn't have alot of wear and tear on it.
He is a talent . But where does he get his touches at?
I think the Browns should move D Ernest Johnson for
Draft pick or a WR. The thing is, RBs are hard to trade.
The position has lost value in this new Era of offense.

Thomas played well enough that we won’t be able to get him to the practice squad.

j/c

I think it's important to remember "who they were playing against". Every preseason we see people getting excited over later round rookies and UDFA's because of their performance without taking into account exactly who it is they're lining up against.

In the preseason, as in this game, the starters, and only a portion of them, play a series or two. At that point you see second and third stringers put into the line up. Coaches across the league gave to determine in very short order who will make the final cuts and who won't. That's exactly why we see this work out the way it does with so much time being given to backups and borderline players. So we're not seeing some of these guys playing against NFL starters. Then there's the fact that the Jags only won three games last season with their starters. So much of what I see people basing their opinions on are some of our youth playing against back ups and sometimes even borderline roster players of a very poor opponent.

This isn't an attempt to undermine that these good performances are a positive sign. I mean when you see someone like Ford perform well against backups and borderline roster players it's a very positive sign that we they least selected player with promise in the 5th round.

But year after year we see people that appear not to take into account who they had that performance against. I understand the enthusiasm but I think people would be best served by keeping that enthusiasm grounded in the reality of the situation.

I am going to try and focus on him over the next two games.

Me too. He's a handful -- relentless.

Be interested to see what kind of motor he has playing a ton of snaps. Obviously needs some work to be a big-time player, but most of it seems coachable...


ISAIAH THOMAS
OKLAHOMA
EDGE


Prospect Info
COLLEGE
Oklahoma
HOMETOWN
CLASS
Tulsa, OK
R-Senior
HEIGHT
WEIGHT

CLEVELAND BROWNS -- Round 7 / Pick 2

6' 5"
266 lbs

ARMS
33 1/4"

HANDS
10 1/4"

Player Bio
The four-star recruit chose Oklahoma over Alabama and many others after starring at Memorial High School in Tulsa. He played in nine games as a redshirt freshman in 2018 (four tackles) and in 11 games the following season (seven tackles, two sacks). In 2020, Thomas tied for eighth in the FBS with 8.5 sacks and garnered second-team All-Big 12 honors playing defensive tackle and end for the Sooners. He was a second-team all-conference pick again as a senior after recording 38 tackles, 11.5 for loss with eight sacks, four pass breakups and three forced fumbles in 12 starts. Thomas opted out of the team's bowl game to prepare for the NFL draft. -- by Chad Reuter

Analysis
By Lance Zierlein

Long, rangy 4-3 defensive end with pass-rush talent to be cultivated, but a lack of stoutness at the point of attack. Thomas' field movements are a bit gawky and segmented but can also be effective. He combines efficient hands and an instinctive feel for advantageous angles to grease the edge and attack the pocket. He needs to build his lower half to improve rush consistency against physical tackles, though. Thomas' length and pass-rush talent could help him find sub-package snaps while he attempts to develop into a starting-caliber end.

Strengths
Long-levered with patient hands in his rush.
Builds up speed at the turn.
Turns and leans to hide his frame from tackle's punch.
Activates windmill chop, opening the edge at the top.
Flattens and elongates stride to smack a quarterback.
Plays off the block quickly to attack the pocket.
Snap quickness to shoot the gap.
Uses arm-over to pull through B-gap.
Plays with hustle down the field to make a tackle.

Weaknesses
Linear, upright body type with narrow hips.
Rush take-off hindered by short, slew-footed strides.
Lacks power through his counters.
Lacks hip strength to battle through redirect blocks.
Change of direction is somewhat inhibited.
Run blockers can bump and seal him inside.
Rarely controls and sheds quickly at the point of attack.
Arrested in June 2021 on suspicion of driving while impaired and because of an outstanding warrant for failure to appear on petty larceny charges.

I just posted the same report about Thomas in the PFF.

I think he has some qualities to be a situational Edge pass rusher.

Oops. Sorry.

Just drove back from Ohio... was making my way up the thread list (I always start in the dumpster).

Nothing to be sorry for. I just thought it was cool that we both chose the same article.

It's preseason.

To go more in depth. Players played poorly that wont in regular season. Players played brilliantly that wont in regular season. Players played that wont in the regular season.

Someone's dad should have played more catch with him when he was younger.

That Emerson play was one of the best football plays I've ever seen. Gives me some hope for him.

Good stuff. If only he could make a play like that every week.

The reports said he made another good play against Philly yesterday too

Yep.

The deal is I want to see the guy make the bread and butter plays on a consistent basis. Anybody is bound to make that great catch now and again, and I am not diminishing that. The good receivers are the ones who make the "normal" catches, then mix in some of the spectacular.

I rather have a receiver who catches 95% of the routine balls and none of the other. I say 95% knowing that everybody is going to just drop one every now and then. If that percentage is off from what league average says, then adjust the percentage to whatever it might be.

My theory is if the kid can't catch by this point, he isn't going to be able to. He has had 20 years of people trying to coach him ever since he was 5-6 years old out tossing a ball around with a parent or sibling. Either you can or you can't. There is no sense trying to train someone to be an engineer if they don't understand 8th grade algebra.

I agree w/this. It’s why I never understand drafting a WR with questionable hands.

and btw, I can’t even do 8th grade algebra

You must have hated OBJ then.

I didn't like him all that much.

His problem wasn't that he couldn't catch. His problem was he didn't take it seriously or care any longer. I think one could also say he got the "big head" and just got sloppy.

I think it was more about his QB being jealous of him and not throwing him the ball. OBJ was freed and played excellent ball once he got away from Baker.

That too.