|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906 |
The short kickoffs are perplexing to me. Cade York has a very strong leg, right?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,652 Likes: 510
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,652 Likes: 510 |
Yeah, i dont get it either. Unless we’re trying to get cute and pin them even further. But Berrios was getting to the 35 yard line consistently
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,949 Likes: 763
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,949 Likes: 763 |
If it happens once, it's an aberration. If it happens more than once, it is by design.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 14,504 Likes: 1282
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 14,504 Likes: 1282 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,652 Likes: 510
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,652 Likes: 510 |
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 12,841 Likes: 274
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 12,841 Likes: 274 |
Just pre-cautionary with Clowney. Short week and all. We could use him, but this happens.
gmstrong ----------------- 2023: The year we got a legit D.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,809 Likes: 51
Dawg Talker
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,809 Likes: 51 |
Meanwhile Andrew Berry is happy with DPJ and Schwartz and does Nothing to upgrade the WR room. DPJ and Schwartz have less than 100 yds combined In 2 games. Some of you just need to admit Those 2 WRs aren't very good.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,652 Likes: 510
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,652 Likes: 510 |
J/c
One thing I noticed: we didnt target Schwartz one time vs NY. And our offense was as efficient as it could be. Wonder if it’s a coincidence
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 8,116 Likes: 350
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 8,116 Likes: 350 |
j/c
Or did the defense not wanting to get beat deep (by Schwartz) open things up for Cooper? The running game certainly helped, too. The threat of a thing can be as valuable as the actual thing. Seeing Schwartz actually score a quick 6 would be nice, though.
The offense was fine against the Jets. The defensive meltdown was atrocious. I don't know whether to hope or fear whether the issue is tied to conditioning. If it is, a short week doesn't bode particularly well. On the other hand, once they round into "game shape" the issues might go away if this is the case.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,797 Likes: 1345
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,797 Likes: 1345 |
Yeah, the Jets were so worried about a WR that can't catch the ball they focused on him instead of a proven pro bowl WR. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,755 Likes: 261
Dawg Talker
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,755 Likes: 261 |
Two weeks are in the books and many questions surround the Browns. We have players tearing it up and others who appear to be out to lunch. A 1-1 record but owners of two double digit leads blown in the 4th quarter against cellar dwellers Carolina and the NY Jets. The PFF Grades are out for the first 2 weeks of the season. The players the Browns have at the top are not unexpected - they are stars in their own right. Likewise, the vast majority of those players grading out low are the same players that have been grading out low for years now. The couple of surprises both high and low provide some explanation for struggles we seem to face this year and previous years. here's the scores for the first 2-weeks of the season - FYI:
The PFF grading system evaluates every player on every play during a football game. We believe that #EveryPlayCounts and that attention to detail provides insights and data that cannot be found anywhere else. The grading system was founded on the principle of grading “production” rather than traits or measurables, but perhaps a better way to describe it is a player’s “contribution to production” on a given play.
Did the quarterback make a great throw, but it was dropped? The quarterback contributed to positive production and will receive a positive grade for that effort, even though the receiver let him down, earning a negative grade along the way.
Each game players are graded on a scale from 1-100. 90-100 represents an elite grade, 85-89 represents an all-conference player, 70-84 is starter quality, 60-69 is backup quality and everything under 60 is replaceable.
BROWNS OFFENSE THROUGH 2-WEEKS:
Rank___Position Player Grade-Starter PFF Scale 1st of 60___RB Chubb #24 86.7 Y >>>>>>>> All Conf 2nd of 70___G Teller #77 81.3 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Starter 20th of 107_WR Cooper #2 76.0 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Starter 12th of 70___G Bitonio #75 72.1 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Starter _________________________________________________________________________________________________ 11th of 64__TE Bryant #88 67.9 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Backup 18th of 60__RB Hunt #27 67.8 No >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Backup 38th of 66__OT Hudson #66 65.0 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Backup 17th of 34__QB Brissett #7 64.4 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Backup 69th of 107_WR DPJ #11 60.8 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Backup 23rd of 36___C Pocic #55 60.6 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Backup __________________________________________________________________________________________________ 34th of 64__TE Njoku #85 59.2 Y $14M - Top 5 pay? >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 58th of 66__OT Wills Jr. #71 53.6 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 105 of 107_WR Bell #18 48.6 No >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable
BROWNS DEFENSE THROUGH 2-WEEKS:
Rank___Position Player Grade-Starter PFF Scale 2 of 103__Edge Garrett #95 91.9 Y Elite 1st of 77___LB JOK #28 91.4 Y Elite 3rd of 77___LB Walker #5 90.8 Y Elite 10 of 103_Edge Clowney #90 89.2 Y >>>>>>>> All Conf 11 of 103__CB Emerson #23 74.8 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Starter __________________________________________________________________________________________________ 34th of 71__S Johnson #43 63.4 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Backup 50 of 122__DT Bryan #99 61.9 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Backup 53 of 103_Edge Wright #94 60.4 No >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Backup __________________________________________________________________________________________________ 58 of 122__DT Togiai #93 59.9 No >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 69 of 103__CB Newsome #20 57.7 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 104 of 122_DT Elliott #96 47.6 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 96 of 103__CB Ward #21 43.8 Y 20M per year for play like this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 65th of 71__S Delpit #22 42.2 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 72nd of 77_LB Phillips #50 29.7 No >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable
Just "KICKING THAT CAN DOWN the ROAD"
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 8,116 Likes: 350
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 8,116 Likes: 350 |
Yeah, the Jets were so worried about a WR that can't catch the ball they focused on him instead of a proven pro bowl WR. Yeah, that's the ticket. Amari's Targets Brownswire LinkLook at the giant window Brissett had to throw into on his third target. Schwartz' man had to turn and sprint to keep up with him, and the safety started and stayed deep until the ball was thrown because of him. DPJ does similar on his 5th target. There are more to the plays than just following the ball.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,797 Likes: 1345
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,797 Likes: 1345 |
So your contention is they kept a S deep because of Schwartz. I guess that's as good of a theory as any.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 8,116 Likes: 350
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 8,116 Likes: 350 |
Not so much because he's Schwartz, but because he was the deepest receiver. The deep safety's assignment is generally to stay deeper than the deepest. Schwartz can get deep pretty quickly. In that instance, Schwartz appears to be the one he was staying deeper than.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 14,504 Likes: 1282
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 14,504 Likes: 1282 |
j/c...
Oh no. Bottlegate 2.0!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 17,404 Likes: 1365
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 17,404 Likes: 1365 |
j/c...
Oh no. Bottlegate 2.0!
Joe Banner.
Tackles are tackles.
|
1 member likes this:
Milk Man |
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,949 Likes: 763
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,949 Likes: 763 |
I see absolutely nothing in that video... what's hiding in there that they're trying to show?
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,797 Likes: 1345
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,797 Likes: 1345 |
Browns have identified and plan to ban fan who hit owner Jimmy Haslam with bottle https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...erqnbyB5-4V4QG3y46RJDLXBT1qTVl9ypv6w2rfA
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 14,504 Likes: 1282
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 14,504 Likes: 1282 |
I see absolutely nothing in that video... what's hiding in there that they're trying to show? Haslam getting plunked by a bottle as he walked towards the tunnel. The bottle ricochets off of Haslam and lands in the grass to the left of him.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 11,333 Likes: 1836
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 11,333 Likes: 1836 |
I see absolutely nothing in that video... what's hiding in there that they're trying to show? Just watch the bottom middle of the screen... You see a guy in a white dress shirt walking off and get plunked.
HERE WE GO BROWNIES! HERE WE GO!!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 5,583 Likes: 117
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 5,583 Likes: 117 |
58 of 122__DT Togiai #93 59.9 No >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 69 of 103__CB Newsome #20 57.7 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 104 of 122_DT Elliott #96 47.6 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 96 of 103__CB Ward #21 43.8 Y 20M per year for play like this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 65th of 71__S Delpit #22 42.2 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 72nd of 77_LB Phillips #50 29.7 No >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable LOL ALL our db's are REPLACEABLE.....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906 |
Some fans are so freaking stupid.
I remember sitting in the Dawg Pound decades ago and this dude beside me--and some of his friends--were taking rocks and golf balls out of their coat pockets and throwing them in Denver's huddle. I told them to knock it off and a fight almost ensued, but luckily some others joined in w/me and security also arrived. Just freaking ignorant.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,607 Likes: 239
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,607 Likes: 239 |
Blocking those who argue to argue, eliminates the argument.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,755 Likes: 261
Dawg Talker
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,755 Likes: 261 |
58 of 122__DT Togiai #93 59.9 No >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 69 of 103__CB Newsome #20 57.7 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 104 of 122_DT Elliott #96 47.6 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 96 of 103__CB Ward #21 43.8 Y 20M per year for play like this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 65th of 71__S Delpit #22 42.2 Y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable 72nd of 77_LB Phillips #50 29.7 No >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replaceable LOL ALL our db's are REPLACEABLE..... I didn't make the scale - it is what it is. The point is that the 6 defensive players you listed are playing at a level that's replaceable. I didn't make up their grade, it's how they performed each play they were on the field. Two games in a row the Browns defense blew double digit leads to 2 of the weakest offensive teams in the NFL. Obviously, someone on the defense isn't playing up to the level needed for the team to be successful. 4 of the 11 starters are on this list. That does not qualify the Browns defense as a top 5 defense like it was posted 100's of times on this forum. Adding to that point is that 3 of the 5 starting defensive backs are on this list and according to the pundits here, our defensive backfield is supposed to be top notched. After 2-weeks, their performance numbers tell quite a different story.
Last edited by steve0255; 09/20/22 04:34 PM. Reason: spelling
Just "KICKING THAT CAN DOWN the ROAD"
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,652 Likes: 510
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,652 Likes: 510 |
Winfrey might already be down to strike 3 lol
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,755 Likes: 261
Dawg Talker
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,755 Likes: 261 |
The Cleveland Browns made multiple roster moves on Tuesday, including a pair of players to the injured reserve. Defensive end Chase Winovich and tight end Jesse James will both miss at least four games.
Winovich missed much of training camp with an injury, so they just keep piling up for the former Michigan Wolverine. Jadeveon Clowney is already out for at least a week with an ankle injury, so the edge room is quickly being depleted. The Browns will have to rely on rookies Alex Wright and Isaiah Thomas, as well as Isaac Rochell to pair with Myles Garrett.
Just "KICKING THAT CAN DOWN the ROAD"
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,577 Likes: 263
Dawg Talker
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,577 Likes: 263 |
j/c I just want to point out, Stefanski held Winfrey out. Even when we could've used the DT depth for the game. This is one example of accountability. I am not in the locker room or with the team on the field. I do not know if he didn't hold others to the same accountability in other situations. This isn't an ah-ha! See I'm right, you're wrong. Or look how awesome Stefanski is. I just want to point out one situation of where he held a player accountable (for whatever he did), when the player could've been in the rotation. If your reply is what about Woods? I wasn't there for the after game or Monday meeting, I cannot comment on that.
|
1 member likes this:
Versatile Dog |
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 5,583 Likes: 117
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 5,583 Likes: 117 |
Chill out bro....I am laughing at the horrible performances by the millionaire players charted as REPLACEALE!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,577 Likes: 263
Dawg Talker
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,577 Likes: 263 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,190 Likes: 89
Dawg Talker
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,190 Likes: 89 |
It's neither good nor bad. There's no dissension in the ranks here. Any media mention or implication of that before Thursday night is nonsense. Cut down on gameday mental mistakes, and there's no need for "morale booster" accountability meetings after two games. Get the onfield defensive play figured out immediately. These are grown men. Do your job professionally on a consistent basis, and there'll be no more need for meetings about "pulling together". Imo
|
2 members like this:
PrplPplEater, SuperBrown |
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,573 Likes: 815
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,573 Likes: 815 |
The short kickoffs are perplexing to me. Cade York has a very strong leg, right? He does. I think all but one that went deep were planned. You can tell the planned high kicks because the ball rotates much faster since it is kicked lower. I didn't understand that plan after maybe one kick since we weren't getting it done on the coverage. Maybe we thought we could cover and strip the ball. It didn't work.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,652 Likes: 510
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,652 Likes: 510 |
Just saw that Joe Haden is signing a one day contract to retire a Brown. Honestly, can we make that one day be Thursday so he can suit up haha
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
|
1 member likes this:
FATE |
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,652 Likes: 510
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,652 Likes: 510 |
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 14,507 Likes: 1023
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 14,507 Likes: 1023 |
I listened to Winfrey.
Hard to draw a conclusion. I think he has potential. I hope whatever happened is cleared up and he can contribute.
He has works to do and needs to improve. But there is talent there.
It is up to him
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906 |
I would say it's a good thing. Let's face it, there is a segment of this fan base that has been trashing the team and wants to pile on. It's important that the guys remain united during turbulent times. I've been on teams that had to deal w/outside adversity. Some unite and some fracture. They probably also addressed what to say--and not say--to the media and even on social media. A lot has been made of what Myles said about the booing. However, we had another player here who did the same thing and his wife was also involved and the fan and media reaction was completely different. If I was a player on this particular team, I would drive that point home hard! It's a cause that can help further unite the team and the mantra they have had all summer of "it's us against the world!"
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499 Likes: 906 |
I think it's nice they are retiring Haden's number in a game where we are playing the Steelers. I hope the idiot fans don't boo him because he also played for the Steelers.
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns News and Notes Continued
|
|