DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Paul Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi’s husband, attacked at couple’s home

Trying to get back to that substantive reply I mentioned earlier:

I definitely won't dispute the part about people wanting this to be a Trump minion. That subconscious inclination definitely exists. It's akin to schadenfreude. We saw stuff like that happen with the Jackson water crisis too.

As far as the media aspect goes, and in line with my own predilections have gone recently in terms of where my focus is, I had an epiphany when contemplating a lot of these political discussions. I'm a work in progress, as we all are, although I assume the "a-hole" thing you mentioned was toward the general "you" and not to me, although I've been guilty of that association from time to time

Despite being an admitted work in process, I think one thing Pit and I have in common is that we will disagree with calling out BS when we see it. Sometimes in doing so, I have realized that I have been wr...wro...wrrrrrr...not 100% correct.

Per our discussion, I do think that I have been more adamant in calling out far right extremism, and those firmly entrenched on the right side than I have those on the left. I do find that somewhat odd myself, because I'm a person who is generally, on the issues, more conservative leaning than I am liberal leaning. In reality, my leaning on the issues typically follows what I think makes the most sense, and that can change depending on where we are currently in society.

I think why I have taken on my more recent stances is two-fold: 1) For the reasons I mentioned before in believing that the rise in far-right extremism is our “dire straits” for the current time being and 2) Because I think there is more of an onus now than ever before for people to “call out their own.” This goes beyond what you are mentioning where you call out everything and places more emphasis on reality checking those in our own camps. Oh, by the way, it’s not easy to do.

Going along with your media points, when you look at almost any major 24 hour cable news network, you don’t see news, you see a “whip.” None of those programs, from Carlson to Maddow, and anything in between, are aimed at informing the populace. None. First, they are there to get ratings and $$$$, but secondly, they are there to reinforce their entrenched viewers to keep believing the same things and parroting the same propaganda. I’d have to imagine very little – if any - of what they are geared toward is trying to lay out an objective case to actually attempt to change minds.
What I have experienced in real life, is akin to what is happening on the board. You will have those who will repeat something over and over again without giving any consideration to the points being made by those on the “radical left” or the “fascist right.” What is also predictable is the hypocrisy and lack of consistency. Take the classified material example, for instance. I guarantee you that the vast majority of people who were up in arms at Clinton’s classified material blunders said little to nothing given Trump’s current situation, and vice versa. There is that bias in our head – that you talked about – wanting the bad things that happened to be associated with a certain side. But, I’ll take it a step further. When something bad happens to “your” side, the subconscious notion is that it’s too much, and we refuse to acknowledge it, avoid it altogether, or make up excuses about why it’s different. That childish “Thanks Y’all” thread that happened a few months ago was a perfect example.

So, this creates a dynamic where both sides hurl slander at each other into perpetuity, with nobody’s mind being changed. That’s where I have been trying to change the game, and I have probably overplayed my hand to the point of failure now. But to give you a scenario, many in my family are far right to borderline extreme right. If they were to parrot their point, and someone like OCD were to come along and call them out for it, he would be summarily dismissed as “just another lib.” However, when I try to check their propaganda with my own counter-thoughts and/or objectivity and empathy to the other side, I will receive a visceral reaction, oftentimes, but you can tell that the wheels in the brain are still turning and there is at least some thought process going on in their brains, vs 100% anger and dismissal. One example of that was on this board when that Columbus cop shot that young woman who was about to stab someone else. The OP in that thread was rather liberal-minded. If he had only been called out by those on the board with a conservative mindset, it would have gone nowhere. However, he was called out by another poster who has a rather progressive mindset. While it didn’t receive an “Oh, I’m wrong” reaction, I think it led to a much better conclusion than the prior example.

That is why I believe it has become so important for us to check ourselves and our own thought processes, and those who typically align with ourselves, vs trying to call out BS that we see from “the other side.” If anything, when it comes to the other side, I try to find people who differ from me, but have taken a rational listening approach so that we can share ideas and grow, as was the original intention. That has become harder and harder to do today, but it’s not completely lost yet, and still even happens on this board from time to time.

I think a lot of this fuels my advocacy on here lately.

I hear the President talking about it taking time to count votes. We need patience to get the results. Why?

My thinking is it takes time to cheat.

As for the thread....lets see the police video. We won't...the cover-up is in place...

Roll eyes. The story is about a dude who got worked up about Nancy (a right-winger), broke into their house, and attacked Mr. Pelosi. Pretty damn cut and dry if you ask me. And of course, he's mentally ill, all Trump supporters (AT THIS POINT) are mentally ill.

The world we live it.

Looks like the Dems are taking this crime seriously. Maybe it's a starting point.

I personally think Nancy Pelosi is a pretty despicable person and a root cause for a lot of the problems we have in our country. On one hand, unrelated to the situation with her husband, obviously, I think she needs to be called out for her garbage.

Yep it’s not helping on the fence either.

I understand that anything that deals with moderation is considered a negative by both extremes. That doesn't bother me. Usually if it upsets both extremes it makes me feel better about my position.

I hadn't seen that yet. Terrible if true. Not really beneath her, though. Pretty much right on par.

I hadn't seen that yet. Terrible if true. Not really beneath her, though. Pretty much right on par.

What I am curious about is what he has done that is "helping."