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Just joking. I appreciate all the information you provide.

At this point we’ll take literally any DT with a chance to do anything

Not much info on this guy, but there is this college scouting report. Seems to me that he is the exact opposite of what is required from a 4-2-5 DT.


NFL Draft Profile: Ben Stille, Defensive Tackle, Nebraska Cornhuskers


Pos: DT
Ht: 6036
Wt: 296
Hand: 948
Arm: 3218
Wing: 7928
40:
Vertical:
Broad:
3 Cone:
Bench:
Shuttle:
DOB: 11/12/1997
Hometown: Ashland , NE
High School: Ashland-Greenwood

Ben Stille
Nebraska Cornhuskers
One Liners
Versatile defensive lineman with below average, good quickness and poor strength.

Pros
Versatile defensive lineman in an odd front who aligns anywhere from nose tackle to five-technique. Stille times the snap and is quick off the ball, allowing him to penetrate gaps. His timing and hand placement as a pass rusher is very good. Stille has good balance when he keeps his pads low. Against wide zone runs, he uses his get-off to shoot gaps. His push-pull move punishes leaning blockers and allows him to shed. Stille possesses good recognition skills and bats passes by putting hands into throwing lanes.


Cons
Lacking size, length and strength, Stille gets displaced vertically in the run game and driven off the ball by combo blocks. He is unable to absorb body blows, getting finished by them. Sille is unable to generate knockback and often sees his power rushes stall. His hands are not violent, making him unable to beat the punch of blockers decisively. He does not deconstruct from latching blockers who often out reach him. His rip move is poor. Stille tackles very inconsistently as he is unable to wrap up ball carriers.


https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/benstille

That doesn't make sense. Sounds like BS to me. Teams expressed interest in trading but now the Chargers opt to cut the guy?

That GM should be fired is there is any truth to that.

Might as well over the next several weeks. Somebody out there has a DT on their practice squad who might turn in to a player.

Indeed they will!

I wonder if Milk has me on ignore? LOL

j/c:

Oops again! My bad.

This screams another light guy that will get swallowed up by blockers in the run game. No lessons learned.

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I mentioned elsewhere we might be looking to go to a 3-4 type front once Woods moves on.

Agreed.

We'll need an even bigger NT if we go to 3-4 than we do w/the 4-2-5.

Woods is almost certainly gone and I know that fans/sports talk show hosts love firing coaches, but I think it sucks. Gotta give the new guy[s] time to get "their players." Pfftttt...

j/c...

The Chargers took our fat guy.

I have no idea how good/bad that dude is, but I think he fit the mold of the 4-2-5 NT more than our other guys.

PFF Grades after 10 weeks of play and 9 games. Interesting items of note:
A) Chubb, Bitonio, and Garrett continue with their dominance of their positions.
B) Browns OT's are in a free fall with both currently performing at a disappointing PFF Backup Level.
C) Ward continues to disappoint with a PFF Grade of 44.5 and ranking of 109th out of 115 CB's ranked.
D) 18 of the Browns 29 defensive players are performing at a Replaceable Grade Level - 62.1%.

PFF GRADES THROUGH 9 Games and 10-weeks

TOTAL OFFENSIVE GRADES:
___________________________________1 player currently performing at Elite Level 90-100
Chubb - RB - 90.6 - 2nd of 63 - Georgia - 2018
___________________________________1 player currently performing at Pro Bowl Level 89-85
Bitonio - G - 89.3 - 1st of 82 - Nevada - 2014
___________________________________6 players performing at Starter Level 84-70
Teller - G - 84.5 - 4th of 82 - Virginia Tech - 2018
Njoku - TE - 83.5 - 3rd of 73 - Miami, FL - 2017
Pocic - C - 83.0 - 2nd of 37 - LSU - 2017
Brissett - QB - 77.1 - 11th of 39 - NC State - 2016
Cooper - WR - 74.6 - 24th of 117 - Alabama - 2016
Froholdt - G - 71.9 - 13th of 82 - Arkansas - 2019
___________________________________11 players currently performing at Backup Level 69-60
DPJ - WR - 68.6 - 46th of 117 - Michigan - 2020
Conklin - OT - 67.7 - 36th of 80 - Michigan St - 2016
Johnson - RB - 65.9 - NR - South Florida - 2019
Wills - OT - 65.3 - 45th of 80 - Alabama - 2020
Forbes - OG - 64.7 - NR - SE Missouri St - 2019
Hunt - RB - 63.0 - 51st of 63 - Toledo - 2017
Hudson - OT - 62.5 - 55th of 80 - Cincinnati - 2021
York - K - 62.3 - 28th of 42 - LSU - 2022
Dunn - OT - 61.1 - NR - Maryland - 2017
Forristall - TE - 60.1 - NR - Alabama - 2021
Haeg - OT - 60.0 - NR - N Dakota St - 2016
___________________________________8 players currently performing at Replaceable Level 59-0
Brown - TE - 59.2 - 41st of 73 - Oregon - 2017
Woods II - WR - 56.7 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Felton - WR - 56.1 - NR - UCLA - 2021
Bell - WR - 55.9 - 103rd of 117 - Purdue - 2022
Bryant - TE - 54.7 - 59th of 73 - Florida Atlantic - 2020
Schwartz - WR - 49.5 - NR - Auburn - 2021
James - TE - 42.2 - NR - Penn St - 2015
Rogers - WR - 00.0 - NR - Grambling St - 2016

TOTAL DEFENSIVE GRADE
___________________________________1 player currently performing at Elite Level 90-100
Garrett - Edge - 92.6 - 1st of 119 - Texas A&M - 2017
___________________________________0 players currently performing at Pro Bowl Level 89-85
___________________________________6 players currently performing at Starter Level 84-70
Walker - LB - 82.7 - NR (Injured, out for season) - Northwestern - 2017
Stille - DT - 76.1 - NR - Nebraska - 2022
Bojorquez - P - 73.7 - 10th of 32 - New Mexico - 2018
Clowney - Edge - 73.2 - 35th of 119 - South Carolina - 2014
Emerson - CB - 73.2 - 22nd of 115 - Mississippi St - 2022
Takitaki - LB - 72.6 - 18th of 82 - BYU - 2019
___________________________________4 players currently performing at Backup Level 69-60
JOK - LB - 69.3 - 24th of 82 - Notre Dame - 2021
D. Bell - S - 64.5 - NR - West Florida Argonauts - 2022
Kunaszyk - LB - 63.1 - NR - California - 2019
Newsome - CB - 62.1 - 58th of 115 - Northwestern - 2021

___________________________________18 players currently performing Replaceable Level 59-0
Delpit - S - 59.9 - 58th of 85 - LSU - 2020
Johnson - S - 58.3 - 63rd of 85 - Boston Coll - 2017
Thomas - Edge - 58.1 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Williams - CB - 56.8 - NR - LSU - 2019
Rochell - Edge - 52.9 - NR - Notre Dame - 2017 (Waived 11/12)
Perry - DT - 52.4 - NR - Illinois - 2022 (Waived 11/14)
Green - CB - 51.2 - NR - Oklahoma St - 2020
Bryan - DT - 48.3 - 92nd of 122 - Florida - 2018
Winfrey - DT - 45.6 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Fields -- LB - 45.4 - NR - West Virginia - 2021
Ward - CB - 44.5 - 109th of 115 - Ohio St - 2018
Harrison - S - 43.0 - NR - Alabama - 2018
Winovich - Edge - 42.4 - NR - Michigan - 2019
Wright - Edge - 40.3 - 117th of 119 - UAB - 2022
Phillips - LB - 36.7 - 78th of 82 (injured, out for season) - LSU - 2020
Jones - LB - 36.3 - NR - LSU - 2016
Elliott - DT - 34.3 - 114th of 122 - Missouri - 2020
Togiai - DT - 30.3 - 120th of 122 - Ohio St - 2021

NR = Not Ranked due to not having snap minimum

SCALE:
100 - 90 = Elite level of play
85-89 = Pro Bowl level of play
84-70 = Starter level of play
69-60 = Backup level of play
59-0 = Replaceable level of play

The Chargers cut a former 2019 1st Rdr that 8-or-so teams tried to claim...and then they go and snatch a DT from OUR Practice Squad. Last I read on another site, Woods claimed that Davison wasn't ready yet. What a train wreck.

Who is in charge here?

It seems odd that the Chargers cut Tillery, the former 1st round pick, and 8 teams put in a claim for him and then the Chargers grabbed a guy anyone could have claimed off of our PS. It's either Tillery is a huge troublemaker or the Chargers are dumb. Maybe both are true.

Our DTs are about the worst of the worst, especially Togiai who as been all but the worst in the entire league all season. Pathetic.

My sentiments exactly.

As suspected, our OTs stink right now

Did you mean DTs? Our OTs had one bad game. Otherwise, they have been pretty good.

I agree. I think all GM's have some weakness when building a team....or at least many. For whatever reason DT seems to be a position where we hope to get by on the cheap. I don't know if we just don't think the position is all that skilled and the feeling is we can get by with nearly anybody at the position or we just don't do a good job of evaluating what is needed at the position.

Winfrey was a guy who was hyped and had some decent tape but it is apparent the guy has mental issues which somehow should have been identified in the scouting process.

So, you have to ask yourself: How can a guy be in the league for 7-years split between 3 teams and now on a team's practice squad with the worst DT's in the entire NFL and the DC makes a statement that that the guy's not ready yet? Did the Browns have him stashed on the PC because he had "Potential?" If you have the worst DT's in the NFL on your roster, what the heck are you doing with a 7-year vet DT sitting on your PS? Don't know if Davison was any good or not but when you have the worst DT's in the league on your game day roster and another team swoops in and takes a DT from your PS - you have some serious issues going on with your team.

He was a wildcard at best. I think it's hard to identify in scouting how a player translates when handed a 1M signing bonus and a 5M contract.

I could not find anywhere else to put this, so I put here because we run the ball a lot. A lot of football shows are filled w/fluff, but this was actually an educational and enlightening discussion on the continued evolution of NFL offenses and defenses. No hot takes. No controversy. Just football talk w/good data to back up their claims.

Maybe it is just me. Scouting is more than watching tape and going to a game or practice. Once you start to identify players you also need to talk to coaches, players. For top type picks I'd even follow them around....see where they go, who they hang with, how they act.

All of that is important.

I agree 100. He was an early round prospect with 1st round hype. Most thought he would be gone by the late second at the latest. We knew 'above the shoulders' was a crapshoot, we gambled and (seemingly) lost. I'm not going to complain. It was a good stab at upside in the 4th round.

My comment is merely stating that when there are questions with attitude, off-field issues, it's hard to forecast how real money may play a role.

Let's be honest, we've had problems working with players that have off-the-field issues, I think we handle them with too much leniency and use 'kid hands'. We've also set precedent with allowing players to basically force their way out of Cleveland and allow them to flex their strong personalities. These are two areas where I feel Berry needs to grow... and the attitude needs to follow downline through the staff.

j'c:

Interesting stat on DPJ:

This is what happens on a team devoid of leadership.

I figured that not many would watch that video, but I also thought you would be one of the very few to check it out. Some like to learn. Others not so much. I love discussions like that one. It's pure football. I found it interesting that so many defenses were designed to slow down the Shannahan/Kubiak scheme and that now Shanny is at the forefront of introducing more "power" running plays. We should be in good shape w/the two guards we have. It is also an absolute must that we get better in the middle of our defense. This is not going to take over the league, but it's another wrinkle that defenses will once again have to game plan for.