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Sorry, I think some of you pick.

It was widely reported that there were several teams who met the parameters set by the Texans. I say several because I am not sure at this point, but 4 teams made the cut if I recall correctly. One other team was rejected by the Texans because that were a division team. At that point the Watson team and the approved teams could work out the specifics of the deal.

What the hell are people arguing about here?

It does get confusing because a couple of guys continually want to start fights. I'll be clear about my contentions. There were multiple teams that agreed to the Texans trade demands. No one knows exactly what the trade demands were specifically, but teams agreed to the parameters of what Caserio and the Texans were asking for before they got to meet w/Watson. Thus, the Browns were not alone in offering a king's ransom for Watson and it also shows that Watson was viewed as an extremely valuable commodity by multiple teams. I believe it is nonsense that some were trying to argue that the Browns were the only team willing to agree to the Texans trade demands.

Thank you, peen. If you have been paying attention since I rejoined the board, it is painfully obvious why 888, Pit, arch, and WSU are trying to make this argument.

The "fight" started because you called WSU a liar for saying just what you wrote - we don't know what teams offered what for Watson. I even wrote a post saying we knew 4 teams had offers accepted, but the DETAILS were unknown - and you dug in, started insulting people more and now were here and you are back tracking and playing victim again. Familiar pattern.

There you go. From your own keyboard.

888 is lying yet again. I wish the Refs would step in and suspend him for his constant lies. I did not say a word to WSU until AFTER he called me a liar.

This is the crap that Memphis was referring to on the Player News thread. I do try and let a lot of 888's lies go, but if I don't say anything, people are going to actually believe his crap.

First WSU post:


Vers Calling him a liar:


My response:



That's all there in this thread, in that order.

And here we have Vers throwing out names and calling people liars endlessly. I agree - I really do wish the Refs would step in.

Well at least you finally admitted they weren't demanding three first round picks behind closed doors. And then you blame everyone else for it. Typical Vers.

I'm certainly glad sane people run this board and not you.

j/c:

Lolz.

Yes, he is the one who claimed Houston demanded 3 1st round picks. There's zero doubt about it and you provided undeniable proof of it. He also called WSU a liar after claiming he did not. I wonder if he feels he should be held to the same standard of being suspended that he says others should be held to when he claims they are lying? Even in this case where he's actually lying about other posters lying like he just did to you?

So "we believe" is what sealed it for you?

Yes. I believe Rappoport's info over children squabbling on here.

That and they rejected a trade a year prior that included three first round picks.....but yeah, they wanted less a year later.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...nd-three-first-round-picks-before-draft/

Deshaun Watson Worth 'At Least' 3 1st-Round Draft Picks in Trade, Per NFL Exec
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-round-draft-picks-in-trade-per-nfl-exec

"NFL executives believe Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson is worth at least three first-round picks on the trade market.

According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, an anonymous NFC exec said: "Oh yeah—he's worth at least that. The haul would be pretty insane."

Arguably the market was set two years prior.

And some more.....

Multiple teams offered packages, including three first-round picks, for Deshaun Watson
https://www.nfl.com/news/multiple-t...g-three-first-round-picks-for-deshaun-wa

Again, one year before Watson was traded.

"We believe" isn't info. He doesn't even report it as being factual.

I know you don't like me, but thank you for posting that information. I wasn't lying. I don't lie and I have a long history of not lying. I might make a mistake, but I don't do it intentionally. I remember posting the particulars of this a long time ago. I haven't searched hard, but I did a couple of quick searches and did not see the Rappaport one or the Shefty one that I previously posted. Anyway, thanks again.

Ah, those pesky little non facts being posted as facts.

Why don't you post a link that only the Browns were willing to meet the Texans trade demands. You guys ask for links and then dismiss them when they are provided, yet you post nothing to support the claim that the Browns were the only team that satisfied what the Texans wanted.

Alright boys and girls; if you're trying to follow this somehow-ever-unfolding saga, here's what we know so far...


A bunch of teams wanted Watson, teams realize the quickest road to the promised land is an elite QB... Surprise, surprise.

A few teams were willing and able to ante up the insane assets required to get their foot in the door and negotiate.

The Browns were one of those teams.

Since the assets were deemed adequate, it's safe to say Deshaun was ready to choose a different team when the media proclaimed the Browns were "out".

Haslam Backed up a Brinks truck.

Deshaun said he wanted to play here all along.

Deshaun is a Brown with the richest contract in NFL history.


People are still arguing over who wanted him the most, who offered the most, how many teams were window shopping, how much he is really worth, etc, etc... None of that changes the timeline or course of events.


What is the point of all this??

I don't know what you're trying to argue. Didn't the Texans say the price to even negotiate was a minimum of three 1st round picks? Straight from the horses mouth isn't factual enough??

I agree w/the money angle and that is why I NEVER brought that into the conversation. I don't know this for a fact, but it's logical to assume that the Browns offered Watson more money than the other teams, especially since he initially rejected the Browns.

My point all along was that multiple teams agreed to what the what the Texans were asking for. The Browns were NOT the only team to do so. I am fairly certain that 5 teams agreed to satisfy what the Texans wanted in return for Watson. I do remember something about the Browns and Texans sorting out the particulars after Watson did say he wanted to go to Cleveland, but I'm not sure what those particulars were.

What I want to make clear is that I did NOT lie about this and I'm sick of being followed around and being accused of doing so by the same few people day in and day out. I do realize that this was probably really hard for guys like you to follow since there were so many different posts. I'm just trying to make my position clear.

You really have no idea how this works and love trying to turn the tables don't you? It was YOU who made the claim it took 3 1st round picks. You and nobody but you. NO statement was made in anything provided on this board that provides anything proving that. "We think and we believe" are not statements of fact. They never have been. Nobody said that it didn't take 3 1st round picks. Only that nobody has any way of knowing what the actual parameters were and what was offered by the other teams. It was you making the claim you did. And here I thought you had been an English teacher.

They made a public statement to that effect at the beginning of all of this. Nobody has any idea of what they were actually willing to take in the negotiations that took place behind closed doors. Every business deal has negotiations. And generally speaking, nobody pays the initial asking price for anything if they have a clue how to negotiate. As I said, there is no actual evidence that shows what all of these teams offered.

Oh, I know exactly how it works w/you guys.

In your own mind. You are the one who made the claim. Nobody else. The only thing anybody else said is you had no way to prove that. You did claim that the Texans would take nothing less than 3 1st round picks. Then you claimed you didn't say that. That's how it really worked.

I know I made the claim. I also know the 4 guys who acted like I was lying and would not let it go. Just wondering.........do y'all ever get sick of being wrong?

There is evidence, you just don't want to acknowledge it as such. You want to hide behind ambiguity because we don't have a spreadsheet with every team's offer. If the Texans said three 1st round picks was the price of admission, and five teams entered negotiations, you can bet that five teams offered three 1st round picks.

And generally speaking, supply and demand enters all negotiations. Limited amount of elite QBs, all teams want one = there isn't any real 'wiggle room'. If a house is listed for $250,000, and there are four other offers, you gonna bid 235? That doesn't show that you're savvy... that shows that you are dumb... and at the end of the day, the loser. You can call those that didn't lowball "clueless", but it just shows you refuse to apply common sense for the sake of more endless argument.

The point is someone said we don't know what other teams offered for Watson. True statement. That poster was called a liar by the resident cancer.

Read my post in response to this original interaction. I even acknowledged and tipped my hat to it being known (widely reported) what Houston was asking and that 4 teams seemed to have made the cut so to speak - but that the actual/real DETAILS of what was offered and accepted was not known.

I've since been called a liar too - and generally much maligned by the cancerous one. And I realized what at least part of the issue is - when a poster has a disagreement with Vers and in their posts explains a position that either refutes or challenges Vers postion - he simply cries victim, starts calling everyone a liar and other names. Just look at the talk centered around the "Top 5" defense that Vers has mentioned many, many times in the last 2 years. When we dug a little deeper - it was top 5 in yards given up, 14th in points allows, 11th in DVOA. When all that was presented - Vers started name calling and deflecting and acting like a victim again. Shocker I know.

Thus far you haven't proven anyone else wrong despite your grandiose claim to the contrary.

Nobody stated any facts supporting what the offers of the other teams were. None. "We believe" isn't evidence of a fact. Sometimes people try to put things off as facts that were never presented that way. That's how they get fooled into believing things that aren't true.

So exactly what did the losers actually offer again? Yeah, that's what I thought. After all that word salad you have no idea.

I hope this conversation ends soon, but Memphis actually posted reports from reputable news sources while others have not. I would not say he is the one talking out of his ass.

And those sources only said what they believe and think while giving no statement of facts.

JMHO, worst trade ever......Browns get Ernie Davis- give up a first and an all pro in Mitchell.....Davis never plays a down. One of the reasons NFL started combine/ physicals.....GO Browns!!!!

Here are some all-time bad trades...Each posted below in it's own post

Pulled them from this link if you want to look at some of their other thoughts.
https://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-worst-trades-in-nfl-history/