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Parris Campbell, A'Shawn Robinson, Julian Love are the guys I'd like to see us bring in. Not sure what to do about Edge. Arden Key is tempting on the field, but I don't know about the money he's likely to get and off the field.

If Adetomiwa Adebawore is there when we're picking, he's probably who I'm taking. Where we're picking I don't see a receiver who is going to force himself into the field over Cooper or DPJ. While there are some enticing traits, they mostly look like they'll face a steep learning curve.

I might draft DL with our first 3 picks. Maybe even draft a TE before I would go WR, depending on who's there when.

Get a traits receiver later and maybe he develops. Or just keep trying to develop the ones we have.

And while that's true to an extent, Berry has been known to double dip at positions using both FA's and draft picks in the same draft, at the same position.


Browns offseason: Will Andrew Berry double dip again?

Free agency and the NFL draft have hit on the same position the last three years

While we can never predict what any team will do in an offseason, their history gives us some understanding. For the Cleveland Browns, this is GM Andrew Berry’s fourth year running the personnel department. While Kevin Stefanski’s coaching staff has seen turnover on defense and special teams, Berry is steady in his role.

Over his first three offseasons, we have seen a significant amount of double dipping from Berry. Instead of free agency wiping a position of his draft board, it has often led to a selection at that position in the ensuing draft.
2020 Browns Offseason

Signed Jack Conklin, drafted Jedrick Wills for the offensive line
Signed Austin Hooper, drafted Harrison Bryant at tight end
Signed Karl Joseph, drafted Grant Delpit at safety
Signed Andrew Billings, drafted Jordan Elliott for the interior of the defensive line
Signed BJ Goodson, drafted Jacob Phillips at linebacker

2021 Browns Offseason

Signed Troy Hill, drafted Greg Newsome II at cornerback
Signed Anthony Walker, drafted Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah for the linebacker room
Signed Malik Jackson, drafted Tommy Togiai again to address the interior defensive line
Signed John Johnson III, drafted Richard LeCounte at safety

2022 Browns Offseason

Traded for Amari Cooper and signed Jakeem Grant, drafted David Bell at receiver
Signed Taven Bryan, drafted Perrion Winfrey to once again try to beef up the defensive line
Traded for Chase Winovich, drafted Alex Wright and Isaiah Thomas for the defensive end room

2023 Browns Offseason

Cleveland’s roster is not as bereft of talent as some would have you think but still has needs on the defensive line, once again, and either needs to bring back a few linebackers or add new ones. The safety position, with Johnson’s future up in the air and Ronnie Harrison a free agent again, is another area that Berry could double up.

With only David Njoku established at tight end, signing a free agent and drafting another tight end would make sense as well.

Where do you think Berry could double up this offseason?

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/2/27/23616070/browns-andrew-berry-free-agency-nfl-draft

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...fensive-players-with-expiring-contracts/

Agent's Take: Target prices for Jessie Bates III, other intriguing defensive players with expiring contracts
Asking prices for players who will be unrestricted free agents or were designated as franchise players
By Joel Corry
53 mins ago

Target prices for 10 offensive players with expiring contracts were covered in an article earlier in the week. The focus now turns to the other side of the ball.

Things will get moving March 13 when the exclusive negotiating rights NFL teams have had with their impending free agents ends. The agents of prospective unrestricted free agents are allowed to negotiate with teams beginning at 12 p.m. ET on March 13 until 3:59:59 p.m. ET on March 15. Prospective UFAs who don't have an agent can also negotiate with front office executives of teams. Players can't sign deals with new clubs until the 2023 league year and free agency officially begin at 4 p.m. ET. A player's ability to re-sign with his current club is allowed during the period.

As a reminder, it was my responsibility while working on the agent side to create target or asking prices for the firm's clients headed toward free agency regardless of whether I was the lead agent. In that spirit, I have set target prices with total contract value, overall guarantees, amount fully guaranteed at signing and first three years compensation (when applicable) for 10 intriguing defensive players who will be unrestricted free agents or were designated as a franchise players.

Players don't necessarily sign for their target prices because free agency is a fluid process where adaptations must be made to changing market conditions. Some players are disappointed in free agency's outcome because their market never develops for a variety of reasons (age, unrealistic contract demands, supply and demand at a playing position, etc.).

Remember the target or asking prices for these players may be on the high side and aren't necessarily what their actual deals will be.


DT Daron Payne ($18.937 million franchise tag)
Contract package: $91 million/4 years ($22.75 million per year)
Overall guarantees: $70 million
Fully guaranteed at signing: $47.5 million

S Jessie Bates III
Contract package: $73 million/4 years ($18.25 million per year)
Overall guarantees: $37.5 million
Fully guaranteed at signing: $37.5 million

LB Tremaine Edmunds
Contract package: $92.5 million/5 years ($18.5 million per year)
Overall guarantees: $57 million
Fully guaranteed at signing: $41.5 million
First three years: $57 million

DT Javon Hargrave
Contract package: $60 million/3 years ($20 million per year)
Overall guarantees: $42 million
Fully guaranteed at signing: $42 million

CB Jamel Dean
Contract package: $72 million/4 years ($18 million per year)
Overall guarantees: $50 million
Fully guaranteed at signing: $40 million

CB James Bradberry
Contract package: $43.5 million/3 years ($14.5 million per year)
Overall guarantees: $30 million
Fully guaranteed at signing: $30 million

S Chauncey Gardner-Johnson
Contract package: $40 million/3 years ($13,333,333 per year)
Overall guarantees: $27.5 million
Fully guaranteed at signing: $27.5 million

LB LaVonte David
Contract package: $25 million/2 years ($12.5 million per year)
Overall guarantees: $20 million
Fully guaranteed at signing: $17.5 million

S Jordan Poyer
Contract package: $33 million/3 years ($11 million per year)
Overall guarantees: $22 million
Fully guaranteed at signing: $18 million

EDGE Marcus Davenport
Contract package: $12 million/1 year (worth up to $15 million with incentives)
Overall guarantees: $12 million ($10.5 million as signing bonus with up to four voiding/dummy years for salary cap purposes)

I agree w/you about FA being about needs. I also agree that we will probably make one high dollar signing, but will probably find less expensive guys after that due to the cap. You and I have agreed about improving the DL in FA and drafting a WR or maybe two. However, Theilen is an interesting guy. I don't think he will break the bank and I am not sure he sees us as a contender, but he would fit well in that 2 or 3 role for us. He can still get open. Makes contested catches. And has good hands. He is also very intelligent against zone coverages. I got the feeling [no proof] that our WRs struggled to create separation and/or get open last year. Teams usually rolled their coverage to Cooper, so that should have freed up more opportunities for the other guys.

I don't think our big dollars will be spent on the Edge, but if we use free agency to bring in a guy [we almost have to] there are a few guys that might be worthy of being part of the rotation.

Justin Houston [Ravens,] Frank Clark [KC, but might be too expensive,] Ogbonnia Okoronkwo [Texans,] Charles Omenihu [49ers,] Melvin Ingram [Miami,] are possibilities.

j/c...

OBJ Reunion Tour....

How many were at Baker's?

LOL...........just kidding.

I kind of feel like Thielen would work out about as well as Dwayne Bowe here. I think the injuries and age are catching up to him. He benefited a lot from teams focusing on Jefferson. I'd rather take a shot on Parris Campbell if the cost is reasonable. I imagine Campbell would be more amenable to come to Cleveland than some FAs as an Akron kid. That and I think his skill set fits what we're missing better and would help open things up for everyone else.

Bowe was lazy and unmotivated by the time he got to Cleveland. Thielen is not either of those things. With that said, I doubt he becomes a Brown.

Haha that's rather funny. I needed a good chuckle today
It's funny in a years time how the mood
And atmosphere of a message board can change.
Last year at this time all the Baker Fans were in
Crisis mode. I never seen such division over
A average player.

I think Beckham will want to play for a
Team that is ready for a SB now or a team
That has already been like the Chiefs.

FA WRs are tricky to evaluate. Most of them
Are past their prime and essentially role players
At this stage in their careers. And some are
Allowed to hit the open market cause they
Never reached their potential.
And some just never got a chance or much opportunity
With their prior teams.

The WR market looks average at best this year.
But that Falcons WR looks interesting.
His name is Zacca something. He played in their
3 WR sets. He is a burner deep threat guy.
But the Falcons QB situation was so poor last year
His opportunities were limited last year.

OBJ was being courted by the Cowboys, Bills, Chiefs, Giants, and Packers last year. He had a medical examination in Dallas and he wasn't ready to go. If he is healthy, he will have plenty of suiters. I agree w/you about him wanting to play for a SB contender. I am pretty sure he has already said that.

I looked up the spelling for the ATL WR you brought up. His name is Olamide Zaccheaus. Has a cap hit of $2,433,000. He had 40 catches for 533 yds and 3 TDs last year. There is also Over the Cap Evaluation that says his value is over $6 million. I remember him standing out to me when I watched ATL last year. I wonder if the Falcons will re-sign him? Seems like a good value.

I found the numbers here: https://overthecap.com/player/olamide-zaccheaus/8393.

It's a pretty cool site.

I like Elijah Moore. If the Jets trade for Rodgers, they are going to have to make some tough decisions about who to keep and who to let go. They will also have to move some money around. That's just the way it works if you want to acquire a top flight qb.

Thank you I appreciate it. I remember flipping between games
And for 20 minutes I watched the Bengals Falcons
He got behind the Bengals secondary for 60 something yd
TD catch. I thought " who is this guy"
I think he is the kind of WR that could benefit the Browns
Offense. Still young. With alot of upside and he has been
Injury free. And he has a skill set lacking on the offense
Now which is a fast guy that can track down balls

I agree. I just wonder if ATL will let him walk? He seems like a guy they may want to keep. Has skills and is fairly inexpensive.

Just think, 10,000 comedians out of work and here you and Vers are trying to be funny. Just remember, for all of the finger pointing about Baker, you two have more trouble keeping his name out of your posts than any other posters on dawgtalkers. He lives rent free in your minds.

Wonder what Schwartz thought of Dupree in Tennessee. Could be a relatively cheap rotational piece if PFF's market valuation is accurate.

I am interested in certain FA WRs, but the cost for them is pretty much out of hand. One bit of helpful advice for Jared. It should be a Who's Who list rather than a whose who. Not dogging you. Just saying. And I appreciate your efforts to keep us informed.


Browns reportedly have eyes for 6 receivers: 4 free agents & 2 trade candidates

A whose who list of receivers in a weak market

By JaredMueller@JaredKMueller Mar 11, 2023, 5:41pm EST 0 Comments / 0 New

While the Cleveland Browns defense continues to get the most deserved attention from fans and media, adding another receiver is something fans and media are also interested in. In today’s NFL, you can never have enough pass catchers.

The question for GM Andrew Berry is whether he can spend enough resources to make a deal happen. Robert Woods got $10 million guaranteed despite back-to-back down years. Berry is already spending big money on offensive weapons Amari Cooper, David Njoku and Nick Chubb along with QB Deshaun Watson’s big deal.

The team’s second receiver, Donovan Peoples-Jones, could be in line for an extension this offseason after continued growth and free agency awaiting after the 2023 season.

In another free agency rumor/report from Mary Kay Cabot, the Browns do have their eyes on some big names:

Brandin Cooks - Trade
Elijah Moore - Trade
Adam Thielen - Free agency
Odell Beckham Jr. - Free agency
Mecole Hardman - Free agency
DJ Chark - Free agency


Of the six, only Hardman is expected to sign a relative bargain contract. There are very few good receivers in free agency, the draft lacks a lot of top-end talent and teams are always looking for more playmakers.

On top of Berry potentially being hesitant to spend big money on receivers, the receivers looking for a one-year, bounce-back deal like Beckham and Hardman, may choose someplace where they are not the third or fourth option on most plays.

As Cabot notes, players want to play with Watson including his former teammates DeAndre Hopkins and Cooks but making it work will be a tough job for Berry.

We have a couple of days that will be packed with rumors. Stay tuned as we try to keep you up to date on all of them.


https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/...ts-rumors-browns-cooks-chark-obj-hardman

Iam reminded that this is a football discussion board
Nothing more nothing less. However for the darenest reasons
People tend to take things personally regarding players
Can you explain why when it came to Baker Choke-on-field
Some Browns fans took it personally?
There is no parameters on what to discuss about him or any other
Player for that matter. Yet for some it's a no no to be critical
Or have fun with Baker.
He must live rent free in your head to cause you responded
But no he is not in my head.

If they bring Odell back, I'm just done.

I believe you need to look no further than the responses you get on this forum if you're critical about anything.

You are quick to point out "Baker Choke-on-field" fans but not anyone else. Why?

Are not the same guidelines you are posting (no parameters on what to discuss) applicable to anyone in the Browns organization?

Has it not been equal or greater a "no no to be critical" about Berry, Stefanski, Watson, DPJ, Wills or any Browns favorite on this forum?

I find it eerily ironic that the same individuals that complain about the before mentioned Baker support are the same people crying foul even louder when any criticism is levied against a favorite of theirs now with the Browns.

Yet here we are, a full season later and 7 months removed, and any criticism of the Browns in any fashion immediately gets met with attacks and reference to a player long gone and forgotten.

These reeks of the pot calling the kettle black.

Just watch the replies to the posts.

This site takes you to an article that has the best landing site for 5 free agents. The Browns are mentioned as possibilities for two out of the five guys. The best thing is that you can access 9 other sets of 5 guys in each group. So, there are 50 guys who are being talked about and where they might land in FA. It's a cool thing for those who like to read about football players rather than the cap, coaching, front offices, ownership, police reports, etc.


https://nfltraderumors.co/best-free-agent-fits-smith-david-peterson-poyer-cox/

Yet you were one of the two people who made a comment about him. Funny how that works isn't it?

So watson didn't do that for you but OBJ does?

I have a question about Bates. I do not watch much Bengal football, unless they are playing us. I hear he is in line for a top payday. My question is, is he really that good? My sample size of his games is small, but it seems we have had a lot of success against him. Is he really a top safety? I don't mean "is he an upgrade to what we have," that is a different question than, "is he a top safety."

JMO.......I don't think he is worth that kind of money. His PFF numbers are good, but not elite. His Run grade is higher than his coverage grade. With that said, I haven't studied him.

I think Mecole Hardman should be on the Browns radar. I'd even overpay a bit
For him than draft another burner in RDs 3 to 5.
The Browns really lack speed merchants at the WR spot.
Would not hurt to double down

Hardman is definitely fast. He seems to get injured a lot, though.

Jones is a good player. One thing that I like about him is that while he is a DE, he also plays DT, as well. He provides a lot of versatility with your rotations. I was very high on him early, but I read that he is going to be expensive. Here is one example of what his cost may be.

Get him. I don’t care how we do it. He might take a bit of a hometown discount, cuz he apparently wants to be a Brown.

Morrow played and started for Chicago last year. Began his career in Oakland.

Nicholas Murrow PFF Grades 2022:

Overall - 54.0
Run Defense - 46.8
Pass Rush - 54.2
Coverage - 61.2