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IF we do deal Anderson, who do we go after to sign as a backup? I'm not going to just sit back and relax with Ken Dorsey backing up Brady Quinn, I know that much. What kind of veteran would be available at that point? I look at that schedule next year and we very well may NEED another solid quarterback just to get through some games.




This sounds crazy and in many ways assinine, but I don't think Joey Harrington would be a bad backup in this offense...

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This sounds crazy and in many ways assinine, but I don't think Joey Harrington would be a bad backup in this offense...






You are right on the first part of your post...


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I knocked the cobwebs off the Trade Generator yesterday and got it up and running. This morning I put Derek Anderson in, including the size 18 sneakers, and it started churing and whirring.

After a little smoke and some gear knashing I was surprised at the result:


Kevin Williams
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Williams just finished his 5th year in the league, is heading to the Pro-Bowl for the 3rd consecutive year and is regarded as one of the top DTs in football.

He is 6'5", 311lbs and would make a dominating DE in the 3-4. He also signed a 7 year, 50M contract last season so he would be under contract through 2012.

The Vikings have the number 1 run defense in the league because he is paired with Pat Williams, a dominating 6-3 330lb NT. The Vikings also have the number 1 running attack with a vaunted OL and two runners, Peterson and Taylor, that can go the distance.

They finished 8-8 and out of the playoffs.

They need a QB desperately as Tarvaris Jackson has WOEFUL mechanics for a NFL quarterback. They have the talent to compete now but it is the QB position and their secondary that has prevented their rise.

What better a place for a strong armed QB from Scapoose, OR?

It's been a while since a Champ Bailey / Clinton Portis deal was completed but this may do the trick. A QB is the most important position in football. DA proved he could start in the league. It may be worth a probowl caliber DL.

I would LOVE to see this trade consumated. Thanks Trade Generator!


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If you followed the replies, the Browns had a lot of interest in Edwards..other than Quinn..





I did follow replies,, nobody offered any proof of that that I saw.. perhaps I missed it? I saw where it was discussed.. You and someone else,, maybe Eo,, not sure. But discussing on here doesn't constitute fact.. Although, I can see where it could be true.. at this point, it's rumor wouldn't you think?


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I'm turning over a new leaf in 2008.... I'm not gonna let people get under my skin so easily.. I have a feeling some did it just because they knew they could... Dumb really, but I guess if that's how they get thier jollies,, so be it..


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After a little smoke and some gear knashing I was surprised at the result:


Kevin Williams
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Williams just finished his 5th year in the league, is heading to the Pro-Bowl for the 3rd consecutive year and is regarded as one of the top DTs in football.

Don't you think the Vikes (wheres that horn sound I always hear?) will wan to keep him?

Daman ..you're months late..when draft time came I went to this website..
http://www.newerascouting.com/index.php?c=10
it told who was talking/interviewing what players..and the Browns had a high interest in Edwards as did a few other teams.

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There is the very real possibility that they are stuck in a limbo unable to get to the playoffs without average QB play. DA can provide that. Have you seen the free agent QBs out there?

With Pat Williams, EJ Henderson and others they're going to stay a top run defense team. Trade from a position of great strength in order to solve their biggest weakness? It could happen. It would also go a LONG way to solving our biggest weakness.

We may be able to parlay the great dearth of QB talent into a big win for us. At least that's what the Trade Generator said!


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Perhaps what I should have said was do the Vikes feel they need to make a move like that?
It's why I mentioned about Miami..they should have taken Quinn but thought the QB situation was o.k...it wasn't..

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If you've watched the Vikings play this year then you've cringed when Jackson has to convert a 3rd and 8.

His footwork is so bad it's almost incompreshensible. Literally worse than half of all high school QBs. I saw one full game and parts of 3 others. He single handedly killed the Vikings this year.

Ask a Vikings fan. Jackson is god awful.

Do the Vikings make this trade? If they are desperate to upgrade their QB position they do. Remember that there are far more first round busts than stars and it takes a few years to develop a QB from the draft. The Vikings don't have that kind of time. They'll trade for a QB this offseason. Why not us? If I'm the Browns I say yes, yes and yes to this trade.


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Honestly I've maybe watched 5 minutes of any of their games that were on..even AP couldn't hold my attention for long..
If Jackson is that awful..then they should make a move but do they want to come in our direction or do they think one of the draftee's is the answer?

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The one wrench in those works is that if they trade him, all un accounted for prorated bonus money accellerates onto that year's cap... so they take a BIG cap hit for a player they are trading away. We are then on the hook only for his salary.

Additionally, it would have to be some kind of sign-and-trade for Anderson as they aren't going to trade for someone that is still an RFA, they'd want us to have a long-term deal in place... which means that all signing bonus money we agree to accellerates onto OUR cap when he's traded.

Both teams would be taking on a MAJOR cap hit, though it would be a one year hit and making those players supremely affordable for all remaining years.


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Which teams might benefit from a trade for DA?

The Browns!


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"There are more first-round busts than stars." Sounds reasonable.

"Takes a few years to develop a QB from the draft." Generally.

"Alex Smith appears to be a bust." Not sure yet, but he was very highly rated for the draft. Went higher than Quinn.

Tough season, everybody needs a good backup. Agreed.

BUT, BQ doesn't even need to play and he's a star. 2nd year with 6-8 snaps in a meaningless game and he's ready to take us to the next step. At #22, he is obviously better than a top 5 guy. And we don't need a backup with Ken Dorsey on the roster.

Let's run right out and just get rid of our QB who got us 29 touchdowns. After one season, everyone can tell that he will never get just a bit more accurate, learn to read defenses just a bit better, this just can't happen. Chuck him and depend on the untested rookie that 21 other teams passed on. The one who held out and destroyed his chance to start, the one who already has a TV commercial, the one with the rep for folding in big games.

Since QB is the single most important one on the team, the ONE position where a real screwup can take us right back to Sucktown, we need to get rid of the productive player ASAP.

Excellent plan.

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IF we do deal Anderson, who do we go after to sign as a backup? I'm not going to just sit back and relax with Ken Dorsey backing up Brady Quinn, I know that much. What kind of veteran would be available at that point? I look at that schedule next year and we very well may NEED another solid quarterback just to get through some games.




This sounds crazy and in many ways assinine, but I don't think Joey Harrington would be a bad backup in this offense...



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There should be no shortage of teams willing to make offers when you look at the performances around the league.

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Atlanta, Miami, Chicago, Carolina, Minnesota

Near Hits: (Questions)
Tampa, Kansas City, St Louis, Jets

Anderson would be an upgrade for every one of these teams. Of course the big question will be what are they willing to do.

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I think Tampa Bay is a good suitor for DA, considering Gruden will want to add to his QB collection.

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Additionally, it would have to be some kind of sign-and-trade for Anderson as they aren't going to trade for someone that is still an RFA, they'd want us to have a long-term deal in place... which means that all signing bonus money we agree to accellerates onto OUR cap when he's traded.




Not true. As a RFA teams are able to talk contract with their agents directly, without the need for the Browns to be involved. We would agree on the trade and they would agree with the contract for the player. Our cap would be unaffected.

The Vikings though would take a big cap hit. They have 14.88M in room and would have to account for the new Anderson contract. It would be tough but doable because only 16M of Williams contract was guaranteed.


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I think Tampa Bay is a good suitor for DA, considering Gruden will want to add to his QB collection.




Not at all, Gruden will want to saw DA's arm off because he's not a WCO QB. He struggles with everything a WCO QB needs to excel at.

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Daman ..you're months late..when draft time came I went to this website..
http://www.newerascouting.com/index.php?c=10
it told who was talking/interviewing what players..and the Browns had a high interest in Edwards as did a few other teams.





AD,, did you read all of that. I got about halfway into the second page and I realized,, these guys are propping up just about every possible scenerio.. So many in fact that it's impossible to tell what they are saying in the end..

I would not call that the definitive proof that Edwards was anything more than on our radar and even then, you have to admit, it could have been a smoke screen...

Like I said,, I tend to agree that he was probably someone that we looked at seriously,,, as it turns out, he's pretty good.

Your original question however was simple,, you wanted to know if there would have been a controversy if we hadn't gotten Quinn,, and I think not..

That's without getting into all the complex ramifications of who we may have picked instead,,, Getting into them would make that question too much trouble to discuss,, can't be sure of anything,, all conjecture, I'd have walked away from it completely,,,


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you wanted to know if there would have been a controversy if we hadn't gotten Quinn,, and I think not..

No I said what would have happened had Miami taken Quinn..what would we have done ...not if there would be a controversy...

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You my friend are what I like to refer to as an Anderson Android.

Yes some of the things you say make sense but you refuse to see the negitive side of keeping Anderson around. I'm not saying it would'nt be nice having him around for another season but tough decisions have to be made soon.

So I will show you some of the negitives you seem to fail to see.

Is Anderson a one hit wonder and if he is, when will his trade value be the highest? If we sign him to a long term contract is he going to want guarantees of being the starter?

This is Cleveland and we have not went one season in a very long time without a QB controversy? If Anderson stays will there be a QB controversy? How many Super Bowl champions have a QB controversy?

How does Quinn ever get rid of this image of being unproven untill he has a chance to play? So we hang on to Anderson what do we do with Quinn? If I were Quinn and was sure of my abilities, and knowing you have about a 10 year career in the NFL, am I willing to sit thru 2 years of it?

I know it's going to be a hard decision but to me the smart choice is to stick to the plan (that was decided on draft day) Quinn will be our franchise QB for years to come!


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"There are more first-round busts than stars." Sounds reasonable.

"Takes a few years to develop a QB from the draft." Generally.

"Alex Smith appears to be a bust." Not sure yet, but he was very highly rated for the draft. Went higher than Quinn.

Tough season, everybody needs a good backup. Agreed.

BUT, BQ doesn't even need to play and he's a star. 2nd year with 6-8 snaps in a meaningless game and he's ready to take us to the next step. At #22, he is obviously better than a top 5 guy. And we don't need a backup with Ken Dorsey on the roster.

Let's run right out and just get rid of our QB who got us 29 touchdowns. After one season, everyone can tell that he will never get just a bit more accurate, learn to read defenses just a bit better, this just can't happen. Chuck him and depend on the untested rookie that 21 other teams passed on. The one who held out and destroyed his chance to start, the one who already has a TV commercial, the one with the rep for folding in big games.

Since QB is the single most important one on the team, the ONE position where a real screwup can take us right back to Sucktown, we need to get rid of the productive player ASAP.

Excellent plan.




Wow....

Doesn't it bother you that DA started out so good and then regressed as the season went along. Shouldn't he have started to read defenses a little better and begin to actually hit his receivers on those little dump throws or start to put the ball in the numbers and not rely on spectacular catches and an offensive line that kept him upright.

I'm sorry, but DA benefited from a very good offense and I expected him to improve throughout the year, but he did not. I was all for Quinn, but when DA came in and did so good I didn't want to see Quinn for another two years. But.... DA quit progressing and starting falling back.

Quinn never won a big game in college either because of the pathetic players around him. His line wasn't that great and he had one good wide receiver in Samardzija. They didn't have the depth or speed to keep up with USC, LSU, OSU, and Michigan (arguably his biggest games). This cannot be put on Quinn.

While Quinn could become a bust because he was a first round pick and blah blah... why couldn't he become a star QB and prove to the 20 other teams that passed on him that they made a big mistake. This seems to happen a lot... Look at Randy Moss, Big Ben, and more.... Quinn was passed on by many of those teams because QB was not a need. The Phins were absolutely retarded for not drafting him and I'm glad they didn't because besides Thomas and Peterson, I thought he was the best player in the draft, IMO of course.

Have a little bit of faith in the FO and Quinn. I personally don't see any QB not winning behind this line and with the weapons we had. Imagine if we had a defense this year. The games where the offense let us down could have been won by the defense. If Phil can address this, and he has a better chance to do so with two extra picks from the compensation of letting DA walk, then Quinn will be able to make his rookie mistakes next year and still count on his defense to win some games when the offense has an off day.

Even though the schedule is tougher next year, I see the Browns winning at least 10 games. I think they have a serious chance to go 6-0 in the division next year as well.

All these changes that need to be made to DA.... maybe the FO already knows that Quinn can do that, but let him sit the remainder of the year knowing what they could get in return for DA and allowing Quinn the opportunity to watch and learn a winning team, not a losing one. Pure speculation I know, but maybe just maybe.

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Chuck him and depend on the untested rookie that 21 other teams passed on....





.... for the guy that all 32 teams passed on a combined 212 times.
By extension of your own arguing point, BQ MUST be at least 9.6818 times better than DA.


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Hey, if TV commercials is an indicator of ability, sign him up for more !! Have you seen Peyton Manning lately?? The guy is a Machine... 6'4", laser rocket arm... you know the guy. Lotta commercials. Good stuff.


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Yeah, not like that guy that throws 4 INT's directly to defenders in the one game needed to clinch a play off spot, nope, that guy is CLUTCH!







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Have you seen Peyton Manning lately?? The guy is a Machine... 6'4", laser rocket arm... you know the guy. Lotta commercials. Good stuff.



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Yes, you are right, it was so long ago that I forgot,,,

But I still can't look at that site you posted and say that with any certainty, any of that is true,,, But that's Hindsight,,,

At the time, I might have believed it..

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Gotta love the selective scrutiny of posts. LOL........you guys are a trip.


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Hey Vers, (welcome back by the way bit late to the party i know.)

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No, I mean that we would have been able to use the 36th pick in the draft last year and had the 23rd pick in the draft this year, plus have a productive QB on the roster in DA.

I realize that is not how the rest of you see it, but in my opinion, and it is just my opinion..........I would rather go w/DA at QB, have last year's 36th overall pick, and this year's 23rd overall pick.......rather than having BQ.






Betcha don't make that statement after the first Pittsburgh game.


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lol, don't tell me that you thought those were actually valid arguing points.


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No, I didn't.

What I found amusing is that there are a multitude of posts that are even more ridiculous than the one you replied to. Yet, no one ridicules those posts.

It's all a matter of perspective, my friend.


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sorry... I'll try to point out the absurd in every post from now on instead of just the ones that catch my eye. Please forgive me for missing all of the others. I will, from now onward, eschew all work related items during the work day to ensure that I give equal attention to all posts



perhaps I will also use lots of these: when I make those posts too, because if you couldn't tell by the writing style and peyton manning references, it was all tongue-in-cheek.


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Sarcastic little thing, aren't you?


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I am, like Vers a little perplexed at the pounding DA takes on this board. Yes, he made mistakes, many of them, but none of the guys wanting to trade him immediately will give him any credit for the good things he's done.

Spin it any way you want, but the fact IS that DA was the leader on this offense. That comes from the players, not me. He helped this team win ten games, and played a crucial part in a couple losses. To me the good out ways the bad. The statements that he can't get better are interesting. Quinn had accuracy problems in college, but somehow they have magically disappeared? He automatically can produce as much as DA did with no uncertainty to some, even after 8 snaps?

I would love to see Savage place the high tender for a 1st and 3rd, and nobody bite. We could end up having DA as a starter or a back-up for $2.5 million. That would be a great position for this team next year. A proven starter, and a high pick who could beat him out of the starter position. That is a true win-win.

I like Quinn, and think he could be very good, but what I think, as the same as what many of you think, means squat. Until he proves it, I'm not comfortable taking chances, without a safety net (DA).

If Savage does tender him high, and someone wants him, we could very well also benefit from a 1st and 3rd pick. But what happens if Quinn tanks? All the talk is as if it couldn't happen. What if he's hurt? Who is a FA good enough to replace DA as either starter or back-up?

I have to agree with Vers when he says many are not giving DA his just dues. I also can't understand all the blind faith in Quinn. I'm not bashing Quinn, I just can't make a judgement without seeing actual play from him. I've seen DA, and even those in a hurry to trade him, have seen that he can lead this team to a lot of wins. Some just don't want to admit it.


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Whatever we do I hope it's done quickly because we could have several more months of this debate.
That would suck.


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Whatever we do I hope it's done quickly because we could have several more months of this debate.
That would suck.




Why would you not like a QB controversy I would'nt understand? They are a norm around here.

Oh and for your information (since none of you have the back bone to say it)
I will pat myself on the back for guaranteeing we would not make the playoffs at the end of November. Of coarse I got bashed but guess who got the last laugh!

Some of you really need to take off the orange glasses and see things for what they are.


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Are you serious???
Please tell me you aren't, say you're joking for god sake.

Patting yourself on the back for predicting several weeks ago that we wouldn't make the playoffs?
Wow.


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Are you serious???
Please tell me you aren't, say you're joking for god sake.

Patting yourself on the back for predicting several weeks ago that we wouldn't make the playoffs?
Wow.




Yes and you saw it for yourself!


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Re: Last regular season loss?? Playoff possibilities? [Re: Ballpeen]
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Might be time to discuss the odds and focus on our wildcard chances.



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Only if you like disappointment. I'm sorry and yes, this team has been much more exciting than the ones in the last couple of years but I can't see where all this playoff talk is coming from.

Earlier in this thread I stated that I guarantee we will not make the playoffs and I'm more sure of that than when I stated it before.


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You missed the point of my original reply. The questions were all rhetorical, and mostly sarcasm.
I predicted in diam's season-starting 'come one come all' thread we'd be 10-6, but that doesn't make me a genius.


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Here's a BIG stretch, but, what about the Chargers themselves????


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I predicted in diam's season-starting 'come one come all' thread we'd be 10-6, but that doesn't make me a genius.




Oh yes it does in my book. Anyone who would have said that with the certainty that I had about us not making the playoffs is a God in my book!


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