DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk 2025 NFL Draft 5th Round Pick: Sheuder Sanders

First of all, none of these players will be carrying the offense.

A 17 year veteran QB, along with a 5th year veteran WR, an O-line with 37 years experience between them and a 8 year veteran TE will be carrying the offense. That makes up 8 of the 11 offensive starters, with the other WR starters also veterans, just not quite as stable. The only starting rookie on this offense will be a RB and if they start in (2) TE sets, the rookie might eventually start. But I would honestly think the 12 personnel will be a secondary set, not the primary. At least to begin the season.

As for Defense... again... The clear leader is a premier player and future HOFer in his prime.

Linebackers, except for Schwesinger, are veterans. Jordan Hicks has 131 career starts and Jerome Baker, although inconsistent, has 90 starts of his own... where do you get off calling them un-proven??

They also added Maliek Collins, who might be the bigger acquisition early on along side our rookie #5 overall draft pick.

My biggest question mark on defense is FS... otherwise, I'm pretty excited to see what this side of the ball can do. A lot will depend on the number of 3 and outs that they have to deal with, but if Flacco can sustain drives, even if they don't score 30 points a game, I think they will be dominant once more.

Make no mistake, Kevin Stefanski took this offense back over. It's the offense that Flacco is very familiar with, which is why I am convinced he will be the day 1 starter. Rees is here to learn and maybe eventually take it over, but with the roster on that side of the ball, it's built for Stefanski's system and that is what he is going to be running.


Give us some other sad excuse for why you are miserable. The math just doesn't add up to an obvious bottom of the barrel team. It could be.. but the potential is there for them to be very competitive. IMO, that rests on the QB's shoulders. He just has to be slightly above average for this team to be very competitive. If he's hit the 40 wall and Pickett has to start, no matter if he wins the job or not... then come talk to me about the clouds around our ears, because the sky is probably falling.

I'm not miserable . You guys are trying to paint a picture that I'm miserable, sad
Negative whatever. You couldn't be farther from the truth .
Every day above ground is good . This is nothing more than
A avenue to post opinions about topics .
The absolute truth is that Berry and Stefanski yet again will field
Another year of a non playoff team .
A 3 and 14 team in 2024. And the best additions it can add
On one of the worst offenses from 2024 is a 40 year old statue
And a game manager QB plus a WR that played for 3 teams in one year .
If I had a dime for every time I read how improved and great the Browns
Would be on offense leading to training camp Id be Jeff Bezos rich
The Browns offense will be a exercise in ball control and boredom this year
When Jerry Jeudy is your best WR, that's a issue
Let me know when Berry can actually draft explosive playmakers

I'm not sold on the defense. Outside of MG ,DW who are the stalwarts?
Oh yeah journeyman at LB and banking on a 2nd RD rookie . The loss of JOK is huge . There is zero depth at LB if the starters get hurt.
The secondary is meh. If Ward gets doinked in the head again
He's done. Depth at CB is questionable too. The safeties aren't nothing
To write home about .

Sorry I don't see a team that's going make a jump to 6 or more wins
It will have to play almost a flawless game each week to be competitive
If the offense falls behind 9 points or more , forget about .
And the BTW the schedule is harder this year

Let’s re-visit this after Joe throws f0r 330 yards against the Bengals in week 1.your secondary better be ready.

My name is dawglover05 and I endorse your post.

Well let's address this broken out so that it's understandable..


OFFENSE
"3 and 14 team"
Each of Stefanski's playoff years were preceded by losing years. 6-10 2019 to playoffs in 2020, 7-10 2022 to playoffs in 2023.

I understand your argument that 3-14 doesn't equal either 6-10 or 7-10, but there just numbers. In the NFL, any given team is a difference between 3-14 and who knows what.. with a few less injuries or a couple of personnel changes. The point is, this is a playoff team two years removed, with a roster that really hasn't changed much. If anything, this roster has improved from 2023..

2023 2025
QB Joe Flacco QB Joe Flacco
RB Jerome Ford RB Jerome Ford
RB Kareem Hunt RB Quinshon Judkins, Dylan Sampson (upgrade on potential only)
WR Amari Cooper WR Jerry Jeudy (upgrade)
WR Marquise Goodwin WR Cedric Tillman
WR Elijah Moore WR Jamari Thrash
TE David Njoku TE David Njoku
TE Harrison Bryant TE Harold Fannin Jr (upgrade on potential only)

DE Myles Garrett DE Myles Garrett
DT Dalvin Tomlinson DT Maliek Collins (upgrade)
DT Jordan Elliot DT Mason Graham (upgrade on potential only)
DE Za'Darius Smith DE Isaiah McGuire
WLB JOK, Sione Takitaki WLB Carson Schwesinger
MLB Anthony Walker Jr MLB Jordan Hicks, Jerome Baker
CB Denzel Ward CB Denzel Ward
SS Grant Delpit SS Grant Delpit
FS Juan Thornhill FS Ronnie Hickman
CB Martin Emerson Jr CB Martin Emerson Jr
NB Greg Newsome NB Greg Newsome

Not a lot of upgrades, but I don't see any downgrades....

As for Jerry Jeudy, he was the 6th best WR in the NFL in 2024 for yardage, I'm not exactly sure what your standard is for "best you got?".

We might be able to let you know as early as this year if he can draft explosive players... Judkins and Fannin certainly have the resume. I know TE isn't sexy, but if he can get you 650 yards and 4-6 TDs, that's pretty explosive at that position, top ten in the league. Remember, he hasn't had a first round pick in 4 years, with only a ONE second rounder... His resume is incomplete.

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DEFENSE
I agree the loss of JOK is huge. I attribute it to last year's decline. What we didn't have in 2024 was someone to step in his place, I mean no one. This year we have potential AND proven. Jerome Baker is no slouch, but it's projected that Schwesinger will be good enough to win the starting role right away, with Baker coming in certain schemes.

The defensive backfield is the same as in the 2023 playoff year... moot point.

Better known as lover.

I am going to take my friend Eo's stance. At least a little closer. Maybe not 17-0 in the regular season. lol

I don't think our O is going to be anywhere near as bad as some people think, no matter who plays at QB.