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President Trump's Justice Department and FBI have concluded they have no evidence that convicted sex offender and disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein blackmailed powerful figures, kept a "client list" or was murdered, according to a memo detailing the findings obtained by Axios.



The administration is releasing a video — in both raw and "enhanced" versions — that it says indicates no one entered the area of the Manhattan prison where Epstein was held the night he died in 2019.
The video supports a medical examiner's finding that Epstein committed suicide, the two-page memo claims.
Why it matters: The findings represent the first time Trump's administration has officially contradicted conspiracy theories about Epstein's activities and his death — theories that had been pushed by the FBI's top two officials before Trump appointed them to the bureau.

As social media influencers and activists, Kash Patel (now the FBI's director) and Dan Bongino (now deputy director) were among those in MAGA world who questioned the official version of how Epstein died.
Patel and Bongino have since said Epstein committed suicide. But it has become an article of faith online, especially on the right, that Epstein's crimes also implicated government officials, celebrities and business leaders — and that someone killed him to conceal them.
The memo says no one else involved in the Epstein case will be charged. (Epstein's associate Ghislaine Maxwell is serving a 20-year sentence for child sex trafficking and related offenses.)
Zoom in: According to the memo, investigators closely examined footage of Epstein's Manhattan prison cell between around 10:40 pm on Aug. 9, 2019, when Epstein was locked in his cell, and around 6:30 am the next day, when he was found unresponsive.

The footage, which was reviewed by Axios but couldn't be verified independently, showed no one entering the area, the administration said.
"The FBI enhanced the relevant footage by increasing its contrast, balancing the color, and improving its sharpness for greater clarity and viewability," the memo says.
Investigators found "no incriminating 'client list' " of Epstein's, "no credible evidence ... that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals," and no "evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties," the memo adds.
Zoom out: As MAGA influencers, Patel and Bongino had been among the loudest voices touting Epstein conspiracy theories.

Since joining the government as Trump appointees they've been more measured in talking about the Epstein investigation, and thrown cold water on the notion he was murdered.
"He killed himself," Bongino said on Fox News in May. "I've seen the whole file."
MAGA's media universe and some of its voices on Capitol Hill have expressed frustration with the Trump administration's handling of the Epstein case since February, when DOJ released a tranche of Epstein-related files that were already publicly available.


Conservative figures panned the disclosure, saying it lacked new information.

"THIS IS NOT WHAT WE OR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ASKED FOR and a complete disappointment," Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.) posted then. "GET US THE INFORMATION WE ASKED FOR!"
The intrigue: When Elon Musk had a falling out with Trump last month, Musk accused the president of being "in the Epstein files."

Trump posted on Truth Social a statement from former Epstein lawyer David Schoen, saying Trump wasn't implicated in any crime. Schoen had also represented Trump in his first impeachment trial.
Musk later deleted his accusation and other posts on X, saying he "went too far."

Still, the questions about whether Trump's name is in the government's Epstein files have persisted because they had been acquaintances who attended the same parties in the 1990s.
In a 2017 interview with author Michael Wolff, Epstein even claimed that at one point he was "Donald Trump's closest friend."
Trump, however, said in 2019 that he was "not a fan of Epstein" and hadn't "spoken to him for 15 years." He also said he had barred Epstein from his golf resorts in the early 2000s.
Democrats, meanwhile, have demanded to know more about the Epstein-Trump relationship.
What's next: The DOJ and FBI say in the memo that no "further disclosure" of Epstein-related material "would be appropriate or warranted."

The memo says much of the material relates to child sexual abuse, details of Epstein's victims, and information that would expose innocent individuals to "allegations of wrongdoing."
"Through this review, we found no basis to revisit the disclosure of those materials and will not permit the release of child pornography," the memo says.

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I'm sure this announcement will be met with the same level of skepticism from MAGA as it was before.


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I believe in February, Pam Bondi said she had the client list on her desk. Now they are saying there is no Client list. someone is lying This is the most incompetent adminstration ever!


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I'm sure this announcement will be met with the same level of skepticism from MAGA as it was before.

It is at least on Twitter. I saw a couple of tweets from Caturd and Loomis or whatever her name is calling for Bondi’s resignation. Personally I don’t know what to think. We have had administrations from both sides of the aisle and no list. I think there are probably some big money people that were involved.


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This isn't just a current problem. This has gone on for 20 years.

Let's face it, there is a deep state and the names on the "list" obviously include very prominent, powerful people. Some political. Some business and education, and not just from the USA.

Powerful people also have powerful "cleaners". I am not saying I like it but am smart enough to know it exists.

Look at how long it has taken to get anything out of the government concerning the JFK and MLK murders. Those were over 60 years ago in the case of JFK, 5 or so less for MLK.

And just a general comment, I don't think the public needs to know everything about everything. I am not even sure we want to know.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Let's face it, there is a deep state and the names on the "list" obviously include very prominent, powerful people. Some political. Some business and education, and not just from the USA.

I acknowledge that I'm probably straying out into left field a bit, but these are my thoughts as they are.

There isn't anything that grinds my gears more than hypocrisy. All that Deep State nonsense has been a regular contributor to MAGA since its inception. Dan f'ing Bongino used to rant and rave about Epstein's client-base and his death, and has since done a 180 and is towing the company line since becoming head of the FBI. And now the same people that used all that nonsense to make a whole bunch of noise don't need it anymore and it's conveniently going away.
So that client list that was on Pam Bondi's desk a couple months ago now doesn't exist, and this admin is counting on the American people to be too dumb to do anything about it.


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Trump should give Kelly a job. She is one of the only FOX news celebrities he hasn't hired so far. Maybe she's "not his type"?


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I know I pointed out earlier that the guy loves to capitalize on a good conspiracy theory, but you lost me at "I trust Dan Bongino".


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Here’s How FBI’s Kash Patel And Dan Bongino Fueled Right-Wing Hopes For Bombshell Epstein Revelations

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarado...hopes-for-bombshell-epstein-revelations/

I suppose one would have to qualify whether it's the Bongino of the past they trust or the current Bongino that they trust. Same goes for Patel.


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I am outraged that Bonde, Bogino and Patel are now part of this cover up. The victims have rights and the names of the guilty should have been made public and I do not care who that person is they should not be protected.


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Trump has Bondi’s back over Jeffrey Epstein files. Florida MAGA? Nope.

President Donald Trump still has Tampa native Pam Bondi’s back following revelations this week that there is apparently no list of Jeffrey Epstein’s clients sitting on her desk, as she previously claimed.

Trump on Tuesday dismissed questions about the list, saying they were a waste of Bondi’s time.

“You’re still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy’s been talked about for years. ... and are people still talking about this guy, this creep? That is unbelievable,” he said during a televised White House Cabinet meeting.


Conservative commentators and Congress members are indeed still talking about it, vowing to fight for the full disclosure of records and clients in the sex trafficking ring led by Epstein, the late convicted sex offender.

The anti-Bondi chorus is perhaps loudest in Florida.

“We can’t rewrite history, but we can help fight to get these files released. I know myself and others will continue calling for accountability for the Epstein pedos just like we have done for many years,” said Tampa-based media lawyer turned X influencer Rogan O’Handley, who goes by the X handle @DC_Draino.

Tucker Carlson, Jack Posobiec and several other conservative influencers have echoed that, calling for the transparency Bondi had promised.

“This is not how you treat the American people, this is not how you treat basic communications, this is not how you treat your voters and your supporters...” said Posobiec on Tuesday on X.

In February, Bondi said an Epstein client list was “sitting on my desk right now to review,” in a response to a question from a Fox News reporter.

“That’s been a directive by President Trump. I’m reviewing that,” she said at the time.


That month, the Department of Justice released dozens of files related to Epstein’s sex trafficking ring. The files contained largely no new information, but were just the beginning of the federal government’s disclosure on the issue, the Department of Justice said at the time.

“The Department remains committed to transparency and intends to release the remaining documents upon review and redaction to protect the identities of Epstein’s victims,” the department said.

Four months later, with no new records released, the Department of Justice now says the case is effectively closed.

In a joint Monday memo, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice said there was no Epstein client list and confirmed he died by suicide in a New York jail cell in 2019. The department said it found “no basis” to revisit the disclosure of more Epstein materials and would not permit the disclosure of child pornography.

On Tuesday, Bondi said that when she specifically said there was a list of Epstein clients on her desk, she was referring to a variety of files related to the Epstein case.

Some of Trump’s allies in Congress are not buying it.

“The American people deserve to know truth ref. Epstein, regardless of who it impacts,” U.S. Rep. Anna Paulina Luna said on X on Tuesday.

“There is plenty of evidence and info not pertaining to CSAM (child sexual abuse material)/victims that DOJ leadership can authorize the @FBIDirectorKash and @FBIDDBongino to release. The @FBI cannot release anything without @TheJusticeDept authorization. The Taskforce and all of its members will be asking for that on behalf of the American people,” Luna posted.

Luna is chairperson of the Congressional Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets. In May, the task force sent a letter to Bondi asking for an update on the client list and other Epstein files.

“The release of these documents is long overdue, and the names of those who might have participated in these criminal acts must be released,” the letter read.

“The American people—not to mention the survivors—deserve to know the truth. We trust that you will be the one to finally bring accountability and transparency in this matter, and we look forward to your response.”

They have yet to directly receive one.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-bondi-back-over-jeffrey-203200716.html

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So is she saying that Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell never used their cell phones or had a contact list-not meaning everyone on that list is guilty of something
There were no names on the flight logs?
No video? Pictures? all of the victim impact statements are all lies?

Yea, sure

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Well there is the "This is what I said but that isn't what I meant" defense.



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DOJ, FBI sitting on ‘treasure trove’ of Epstein information, victim attorney says

An attorney representing victims of Jeffrey Epstein accused the government of holding back information on his associates but stopped short of pointing fingers at any high-powered officials.

Sigrid McCawley, who is representing several Epstein victims in their civil cases, said the government has yet to disclose information collected from Epstein’s computers and said there has been a lack of accountability for the financier’s lawyer and accountant.

”I think what’s really just astonishing about this recent disclosure from the government is that they know they are sitting on a treasure trove of information, and they’re not turning it over. And I’ve worked on these cases for over 10 years now — there’s a plethora of information that the public has not been able to see relating to Epstein and his co-conspirators,” McCawley told NewsNation’s Elizabeth Vargas.

McCawley said that includes files from the seizures of computers at his New York and Florida homes, as well as financial records.

While figures such as Elon Musk have suggested President Trump was among those on Epstein’s “client list,” Attorney General Pam Bondi has said the government has no such list and Trump has denied being close with Epstein.

While Epstein ran in high-powered circles with figures that included Trump, former President Clinton, Britain’s Prince Andrew and a number of other celebrities and ultrawealthy people, McCawley addressed those directly on Epstein’s payroll, whom victims are now suing.

“Epstein could not have run this operation without the help of many people. He needed a lawyer who would, you know, cover things up for him. He needed an accountant who would funnel money in certain ways. And as we know, he had a group of people around him who helped protect him and help that scheme to continue running. None of those people have been prosecuted,” she said.

McCawley said she supports the government’s decision to hold back information that would be harmful to victims but said there is plenty of other evidence that could be released.

“There’s a ton of information of what happened in Epstein’s world, who was coming into his homes, who was leaving his homes, who he was paying, who he wasn’t paying, etc., and that information has not flowed out from the government,” she said.

“We know that there had to be information on those computers. There has to be other information that they could disclose.”

Much of the fixation on Epstein comes from conspiracy theories surrounding his 2019 death — with several Trump administration officials fanning the flames of speculation before entering government.

A Justice Department memo released Monday concluded that Epstein died by suicide, infuriating many MAGA allies who contend there was foul play behind his death in prison.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5394281-epstein-victims-attorney-doj-fbi-documents/


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
This isn't just a current problem. This has gone on for 20 years.

Let's face it, there is a deep state and the names on the "list" obviously include very prominent, powerful people. Some political. Some business and education, and not just from the USA.

Powerful people also have powerful "cleaners". I am not saying I like it but am smart enough to know it exists.

Look at how long it has taken to get anything out of the government concerning the JFK and MLK murders. Those were over 60 years ago in the case of JFK, 5 or so less for MLK.

And just a general comment, I don't think the public needs to know everything about everything. I am not even sure we want to know.

Figures you'd try to lessen the problem for Trump by Misleading everyone. Deep State? The only deep state is the one that is stealing America from Americans.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
I know I pointed out earlier that the guy loves to capitalize on a good conspiracy theory, but you lost me at "I trust Dan Bongino".


Why don't you trust Bongino? He's a solid dude, or I always thought he was. But him and Kash seem like they've done a complete 180 compared to what they were before. It's like they have guns pointed to them when on camera now.

Not a good look for Pam Bondi or the administration. You can't say there's a list then say there isn't.

The list should be released regardless of who's on it, even if Trump is. Although, if Trump was on the list the Democrats would have already released it years ago.


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Harvard Law School Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz on Thursday told Sean Spicer that he had seen the Epstein client list and that the government had suppressed documents to protect powerful individuals.

"Documents are being suppressed to protect individuals. I know the names of the individuals. I know why they're being suppressed. I know who's suppressing them. But I'm bound by confidentiality," Dershowitz said.

"I know the names of people whose files are being suppressed in order to protect them, and that's wrong," he added.

When Spicer asked if the people on the list were politicians or business leaders, to which he replied "they're everything."

Dershowitz asserted he had seen the relevant materials due to the accusations he faced from the late Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre and that he was bound to secrecy by court order.


Giuffre recanted her accusations against Dershowitz prior to her death and settled the case.

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But him and Kash seem like they've done a complete 180 compared to what they were before.

It's all theatre (very profitable theatre, at that). Bongino made a very lucrative career out of screaming about the most off the wall conspiracy theories and feeding the "Deep State" narrative.

That worked for him and got him a hilariously ironic promotion. Now he's playing his new role.


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Why don't you trust Bongino? He's a solid dude, or I always thought he was.

Which version? The one who lined his pockets by spreading conspiracy theories? Or the one now who has done a 180 on the client list? I mean if you believed some of the nonsense the guy was spreading previously you may think he was a "stand up" guy. If not you would think he was just another huckster.

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The list should be released regardless of who's on it, even if Trump is. Although, if Trump was on the list the Democrats would have already released it years ago.

The list should be released and I don't care who is on it. The fact neither side has released it shows me there are powerful people on both sides that both parties have worked to protect. But let's face it, a pedophile is a pedophile and needs to be exposed. The fact one side railed and screamed about it being released and now hide it speaks more about hypocrisy.


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Reading this again, I want to clarify my position.

Bongino, overall, is and was a clown. He profited off of spreading the wildest conspiracy theories, and now he's profiting by towing the company line and being a key cog in "the most transparent admin ever".

I'm sure there's at least a shred of truth in all these conspiracy theories. You'll never convince me that the current official conclusion on the Epstein saga is the complete truth. So in this specific case you can put me on the side of the conspiracy theorists. My posts above were more about Bongino's general stance and his current hypocrisy.


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I know I pointed out earlier that the guy loves to capitalize on a good conspiracy theory, but you lost me at "I trust Dan Bongino".


Why don't you trust Bongino? He's a solid dude, or I always thought he was. But him and Kash seem like they've done a complete 180 compared to what they were before. It's like they have guns pointed to them when on camera now.

Not a good look for Pam Bondi or the administration. You can't say there's a list then say there isn't.

The list should be released regardless of who's on it, even if Trump is. Although, if Trump was on the list the Democrats would have already released it years ago.

Seems to me that you answered your own question


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Dershowitz says he knows Epstein client list names: ‘But I’m bound by confidentiality’

Pundit Sean Spicer resurfaced on Thursday a March interview with Alan Dershowitz in which the attorney said he knows all about a list of Jeffrey Epstein’s alleged clients.

“I know the names of the individuals. I know why they’re being suppressed. I know who’s suppressing them,” Dershowitz said during an appearance on “The Sean Spicer Show” that was originally broadcast on March 19 and was reposted on social media on Thursday.

“But I’m bound by confidentiality from a judge and cases, and I can’t disclose what I know,” he added, noting at one point he was falsely named as a client.

The Trump administration vowed earlier this year to release the documents and names of individuals tied to Epstein’s inner circle.

Tech billionaire Elon Musk ignited flames after reminding the public that President Trump was formerly one of Epstein’s acquaintances after dissing the “big, beautiful bill.”

The president brushed off comments related to Epstein earlier this week.

“Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy’s been talked about for years. You’re asking — we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things. And are people still talking about this guy? This creep? That is unbelievable,” Trump said Tuesday to a reporter who asked about the convicted sex offender and financier.
The White House has maintained that there is no “client list,” a narrative that some question.

“I think what’s really just astonishing about this recent disclosure from the government is that they know they are sitting on a treasure trove of information, and they’re not turning it over. And I’ve worked on these cases for over 10 years now — there’s a plethora of information that the public has not been able to see relating to Epstein and his co-conspirators,” Sigrid McCawley, who is representing several Epstein victims in their civil cases, said during an appearance on NewsNation this week.

Dershowitz, in the March interview, said the list is being withheld in an effort to “protect” those involved with Epstein’s crimes.

“I know the names of people whose files are being suppressed in order to protect them, and that’s wrong,” he told Spicer.

One of Epstein’s victims, Virginia Giuffre, died by suicide earlier this year following long-term illness and decades of trauma related to sexual abuse.

McCawley says those who were involved in helping Epstein commit his crimes should be held accountable.

“Epstein could not have run this operation without the help of many people. He needed a lawyer who would, you know, cover things up for him. He needed an accountant who would funnel money in certain ways,” McCawley said.

“And as we know, he had a group of people around him who helped protect him and help that scheme to continue running. None of those people have been prosecuted.”

The Hill has reached out to the White House for comment.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...t-names-but-im-bound-by-confidentiality/


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How many of you actually believe that Bondi isn't hiding anything on Trump?

I just don't see why she'd hide this stuff away if he wasn't all over the docs.....


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Trump Admin's Epstein Prison Video Was Likely Modified Using Adobe Premiere Pro: Report

"If a lawyer brought me this file and asked if it was suitable for court, I'd say no."
Morgan Music / Published Jul 11 2025, 6:05 PM EDT

https://www.latintimes.com/trump-ad...d-using-adobe-premiere-pro-report-586639

Surveillance footage of Jeffrey Epstein's prison cell the night he died — released by the Department of Justice this week to support its claim that there was nothing suspicious about his death — contains metadata suggesting the footage was altered using Adobe Premiere Pro.

According to a report by WIRED, metadata embedded in the 11-hour "raw" surveillance footage shows it was not a direct export from the prison's surveillance system, instead indicating the video was processed using Adobe Premiere Pro, a professional video editing tool.

The footage, which the DOJ said covers the entirety of the time before Epstein was found dead in his cell in August 2019, appears to have been stitched together from at least two separate source clips, saved four times, and exported before it was uploaded to the DOJ website. The metadata reveals two source clips, Premiere project files, and attributes the edits to a Windows user account named "MJCOLE~1" on May 23, 2025, in a roughly 23-minute span.

Digital forensics expert Hany Farid, who reviewed the data for WIRED, said the file raises serious questions about chain of custody. "If a lawyer brought me this file and asked if it was suitable for court, I'd say no. Go back to the source. Do it right," Farid said.

Pam Bondi claimed the footage proved no one entered the area outside Epstein's cell during the critical overnight hours, but noted a gap of roughly one minute at midnight, which she explained as a daily reset in the prison surveillance system.

The DOJ has not explained why the "raw" video was processed in Premiere, referring questions back and forth between the FBI and Bureau of Prisons. According to WIRED, experts acknowledge the edits could be benign—like converting proprietary video formats—but in a case so mired in suspicion, the lack of transparency fuels further doubt.

Conspiracy researcher Mike Rothschild told WIRED this kind of ambiguity only makes speculation worse. "Whatever your flavor of Epstein conspiracy is," he said, "The video will help bolster it."


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They aren't trying to hide anything from the Digital Forensics guys... They know and accept they will find stuff.

They only want to confuse the public impressions and they want to show the Trump MAGA squad that there is nothing to see here.


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Alex Jones? You must be trolling.


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Fire Pam Bondi and appoint Alex Jones as Attorney General!

Alex Jones? You must be trolling.

with trump would this surprise you?


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Now it seems that Trump is admitting to the existence of EPSTEIN FILES..but the Dems created them. That should satisfy MAGA...lol


'A scandal that's being covered up': Trump ripped after claiming Dems 'created' Epstein files

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/worl...g-dems-created-epstein-files/ar-AA1IvzFp

President Donald Trump defended Attorney General Pam Bondi Saturday evening — calling her performance “FANTASTIC” — and went further to accuse former President Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and other Democrats of allegedly “creating” the Epstein Files, as Make America Great Again (MAGA) supporters criticize Bondi's handling of documents related to convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

In a Truth Social post, Trump wrote: “What’s going on with my ‘boys’ and, in some cases, ‘gals?’ They’re all going after Attorney General Pam Bondi, who is doing a FANTASTIC JOB! We’re on one Team, MAGA, and I don’t like what’s happening. We have a PERFECT Administration, THE TALK OF THE WORLD, and ‘selfish people’ are trying to hurt it, all over a guy who never dies, Jeffrey Epstein.”

Trump went on to say that his critics — from former President Barack Obama, “Crooked Hillary,” Comey, Brennan, and the Biden team — were behind the Epstein documents.
“They created the Epstein Files, just like they created the FAKE Hillary Clinton/Christopher Steele Dossier that they used on me, and now my so‑called ‘friends’ are playing right into their hands," Trump added.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/video/new...b35bcec464e0cacf0bfcfcb8ae6b9&ei=117

He continued: “Why didn’t these Radical Left Lunatics release the Epstein Files? If there was ANYTHING in there that could have hurt the MAGA Movement, why didn’t they use it? They haven’t even given up on the John F. Kennedy or Martin Luther King, Jr. Files.”

Trump's post led to wide-ranging commentary on social media, with many observers raising questions.

Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) wrote on the social platform X: "Why would Trump all of a sudden allege the Epstein Files were written by Obama, Hillary, Comey etc? The simplest explanation is that there is something in the unreleased Epstein files that implicates Trump or people close to him. #OccamsRazor"

Political commentator Megyn Kelly wrote: "There are really only two options: 1. There’s no huge undisclosed there there on Epstein, Bondi misled on it (until she didn’t) & Trump is quick to forgive a loyal soldier for being desperate to get on TV; or 2. There is a scandal that’s being covered up & it’s at his direction."

Community activist Melanie D'Arrigo said: "Donald Trump went from 'I will release Jeffrey Epstein’s client list'… to 'please stop talking about Jeffrey Epstein’s client list that I’m obviously on, that both doesn’t exist and was also created by Obama'… in 173 days."

Politico reporter Ben Jacobs wrote: "There are lot of things going in this Trump post but it's underrated that he suggests that the Epstein Files were written by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton."

Political commentator Brian Tyler Cohen wrote: "The Epstein files are on Pam Bondi's desk right now but also they do not exist but also they do exist and were written by Obama and Hillary when Epstein died in 2019 when the president was Donald Trump."


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I mean everyone who lives in Palm Beach has met everyone else that lives in Palm Beach several times. Right? And all of them wish accused child traffickers well.


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GOPers will soon be claiming Bill Clinton wrote the Epstein files.


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“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

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This video seems to suggest that Trump and Epstein are best buds...




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GOPers will soon be claiming Bill Clinton wrote the Epstein files.

so far its been Obama, Clinton (Hillary) and Biden? so why not

But the question is, if they wrote al the up, why not release it?


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Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
GOPers will soon be claiming Bill Clinton wrote the Epstein files.

and trump and epstein really never met each other
and all the flight logs were fake...
and the pictures were doctored
and there are no videos
and the girls who gave the testimony were dem plants

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Originally Posted by northlima dawg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
GOPers will soon be claiming Bill Clinton wrote the Epstein files.

and trump and epstein really never met each other
and all the flight logs were fake...
and the pictures were doctored
and there are no videos
and the girls who gave the testimony were dem plants



It seems that MAGA is having a difficult time believing all of the claims, such as those listed above...





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Jeffrey Epstein in Tapes Released by Michael Wolff: 'I Was Donald's Closest Friend'


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Recently surfaced recordings reveal that Jeffrey Epstein claimed to be a close friend of President Donald Trump.

What Happened: These statements, made in 2017, offer insights into Epstein’s relationship with Trump and his alleged intimate knowledge of Trump’s sexual behaviors.

During the conversation with Michael Wolff, Epstein boasted about his close ties with Trump, even claiming that Trump’s first sexual encounter with his current wife Melania occurred on Epstein’s aircraft, reports The Daily Beast.

Recorded during the interview, these tapes are expected to reignite discussions about the character of the Republican candidate, especially his attitudes towards women, in the lead-up to the forthcoming election.

The tapes portray a multifaceted image of Trump, with Epstein describing him as “charming” and “fun”, while also alleging that Trump repeatedly cheated in his marriages.

Epstein suggested that Trump took pleasure in engaging in sexual activities with the wives of his closest friends. He further insinuated that Trump was essentially a man devoid of friends, incapable of showing kindness.

When asked by Wolff, "How do you know all this?" Epstein responded saying, "I was Donald's closest friend for 10 years."

Wolff, who was conducting research for his book “Fire and Fury” during the time of the interview, shared the tape with the Daily Beast. He claims to have up to 100 hours of recorded interviews with Epstein.

Trump’s team has dismissed the tapes as “false smears”. The tapes also shed light on the relationship between Epstein and Trump, two affluent men who frequently socialized together in New York and Atlantic City.

The tapes provide Epstein’s viewpoint on their relationship, a relationship that led one man to infamy, prison, and ultimately suicide, and the other to power, the Oval Office, and his own criminal conviction.

The tapes also contain allegations about Trump’s behavior towards women, which are likely to draw attention given their long-standing friendship and the numerous accusations of sexual misconduct against the former president.

Last week, the Justice Department announced that it will not release any more documents related to the case of Epstein. Epstein died by suicide in custody in 2019 while awaiting trial on sex trafficking and conspiracy charges.

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Alex Jones? You must be trolling.

He is. Bravo, sir.


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And the GOP has so far said No.

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Trump tells those focused on Epstein he doesn't want their support

President Donald Trump on Wednesday trashed many MAGA members, condemning their ongoing push for files related to Jeffrey Epstein and bemoaning that they are playing into Democrats’ hands.

The Democrats’ “new SCAM is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax, and my PAST supporters have bought into this ‘BS,’ hook, line, and sinker,” (of course he used the word and not the initials because he is so presidential) Trump posted on his Truth Social account. “Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats' work, don’t even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don’t want their support anymore!”

Trump’s comments underscore the angst on the right over the Justice Department and FBI’s decision to withhold files related to Epstein, the disgraced mega-financier who pleaded guilty in 2008 to soliciting a minor for prostitution and was facing a slew of federal sex-trafficking charges when he killed himself in jail in 2019.

A Department of Justice memo last week– which ruled out foul play in Epstein’s death and claimed no existence of a “client list” – enraged and divided MAGA world after many in Trump’s orbit, including Attorney General Pam Bondi, FBI Director Kash Patel and Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino, teased big revelations and fanned conspiracy theories.

Conservative influencers including Megyn Kelly, Steve Bannon, and Trump’s daughter-in-law, Laura Trump, have called for more transparency in the case. Speaker Mike Johnson on Tuesday also called for the Department of Justice to release all of its information on Epstein.

Later on Wednesday, when asked during a bilateral meeting in the Oval Office if his post meant he was disavowing his supporters, the president said he had “lost a lot of faith in certain people.”

Trump continued to defend Bondi during the meeting and again downplayed the affair.

“She's done very good,” Trump said. “She says I gave you all the credible information, and if she finds any more credible information, she'll give that too. What more can she do than that?”

Trump’s latest post attempts to link the Epstein case to the investigation into Russian collusion during his first term, a signal that the president hopes supporters will interpret as tying to partisan hoaxes together.

“These Scams and Hoaxes are all the Democrats are good at,” Trump said in his post.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tells-those-focused-epstein-152751100.html

Of course he blames the democrats for a conspiracy theory his own supporters cooked up in the first place. When his own hand picked AG, Barr launched this investigation in the first place while he was president and admitting it's his own followers that he no longer wants the support of because they are the people raising hell over it.

A very stable genius indeed.

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Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), the top Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, said Thursday that the Treasury Department has a file on Jeffrey Epstein that could be used "as the foundation for a follow the money investigation" into the sex trafficking case.

"You can't run sex trafficking operation of this size without an enormous amount of money," said Wyden, who has been investigating finances related to Epstein.


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My question is: Why hasn't that been done already?

I don't care about any list.
Just because a name is on some list, it proves nothing.

But he was a known pediphile.
This should have been automatic


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My response: Nail them, all of them. I don't care who it is. Trump, Biden, Obama, Clinton..............whoever, any hollywood "stars", whoever.

But in reality, what we're dealing with is people in power, and they wield that power. It stinks, I know. Cover ups exist.

My last question is, if Wyden has a file, what's in it, and why has it not been made public?

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My question is: Why hasn't that been done already?

I don't care about any list.
Just because a name is on some list, it proves nothing.

But he was a known pediphile.
This should have been automatic

It seems obvious that there is compromising information contained in that data that would compromise a fair amount of wealthy/political elites. I would not be surprised to find either Trump or Clinton tied closely into that. Trump’s behavior toward all this, especially the whole gaslighting thing about Obama and Biden and whoever else being the ones who made up the list, only implicates him further in my mind. The fact he’s willing to go to war with his rabid base about it raises my eyebrow that much more.


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The amount of smoke is forest fire worthy.


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Originally Posted by dawglover05
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My question is: Why hasn't that been done already?

I don't care about any list.
Just because a name is on some list, it proves nothing.

But he was a known pediphile.
This should have been automatic

It seems obvious that there is compromising information contained in that data that would compromise a fair amount of wealthy/political elites. I would not be surprised to find either Trump or Clinton tied closely into that. Trump’s behavior toward all this, especially the whole gaslighting thing about Obama and Biden and whoever else being the ones who made up the list, only implicates him further in my mind. The fact he’s willing to go to war with his rabid base about it raises my eyebrow that much more.

There is an abundance of evidence that both trump and clinton used to hang out with epstein.

That does not mean that either "partook in the frolicking".
But Regardless of who they are (and others), this needs to be thoroughly investigated.
IMO, It's a travesty that it has not been thoroughly invested already


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Yeah I agree.

What we do know are this:

1. Epstein was running a horrific sex/pedophile crime ring.

2. Epstein was tied into with a lot of elites.

3. Clinton and Trump are known philanderers who have a penchant for young women.

4. Clinton and Trump used to hang out with Epstein.

5. Trump has done a VERY bizarre 180 on the whole Epstein thing, and has become increasingly combative on the matter, now toward his own base, even.

6. Clinton - to my knowledge - has been silent on the whole controversy.

Those points, combined with the countless other controversies surrounding the whole affair demonstrate that a whole lot more ish needs to come to light on the whole thing.


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I agree with those that say they don't care who is on the list. Pedophiles should be exposed regardless. What I do know is who claimed they had the list that is now refusing to provide that list and made up excuses to do so. I also know who is throwing a tantrum about it to the extent they rebuked their own voting base over it.


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5. Trump has done a VERY bizarre 180 on the whole Epstein thing, and has become increasingly combative on the matter, now toward his own base, even.

IMO, it's not all that bizarre. He used the Epstein thing as a tool in his ongoing culture war. Now that he won the election, it's no longer useful and he's trying to make it go away. The problem is that him and several of his own appointees threw too much gas on the fire... and the issue is now self-sustaining.

The hilarious thing is that he's trying to do the same thing he ripped the Dems for doing when they were trying to make it go away. Regardless of the truth behind Epstein connections and his death, I just find it hilarious that Trump is getting burned in a fire he himself stoked.


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Maurene Comey, daughter of James Comey and prosecutor of Jeffrey Epstein, is fired

Comey, who had worked in the U.S. attorney’s office for nearly a decade, prosecuted both Jeffrey Epstein and his associate Ghislaine Maxwell.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/16/maurene-comey-fired-doj-00458921

We all know trump hates James Comey. Yet his daughter had thus far not been a target. The timing could be a coincidence but I find it very odd and somewhat suspicious that she was involved with both the Epstein and Maxwell convictions and now, now that the whole Epstein fiasco is blowing up in trump's face, that this is the time they decided to fire her.

While it's certainly just my opinion, it seems the trump revenge tour is still rolling along.


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I still find it bizarre and this is why: I agree he oftentimes will take a Trojan horse approach to the maximum level in order to get votes. Other politicians across the spectrum do it as well, but he does it to the Nth degree (build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it, end UKR war in 24 hours, immediately bring down prices, etc.).

When he gets into office and people ask about the campaign promises, he usually hems and haws or walks back all or parts of the promise. More evasive and deflecting than anything else.

On the Epstein stuff, he was straight up combative, defensive and inflammatory. It was like someone touched a nerve.


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Trump Drawings Resurface After President Claims ‘I Never Wrote a Picture in My Life’

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Several drawings made by President Donald Trump in the 1990s and early 2000s resurfaced on Thursday after the president claimed to have “never wrote a picture in my life.”

The president made the claim after a Wall Street Journal report alleged that Trump had written a birthday letter to the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein in 2003, which included a drawing of a naked woman, complete with pubic hair formed out of Trump’s signature.

“This is a fake thing. It’s a fake Wall Street Journal story,” said Trump in response to the report. “I never wrote a picture in my life. I don’t draw pictures of women.”

Despite his claim to have “never wrote a picture” in his life, Trump has sketched a number of drawings over the years, including a drawing of the Manhattan skyline dated 2004 – just one year after he is accused of drawing the naked woman for Epstein.

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The 2004 Manhattan drawing was reportedly sketched by Trump for a charity art sale before being put up for auction again in 2019.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom posted a photo of the drawing on social media, Thursday, along with the caption, “I never wrote a picture in my life.”
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Donald Trump's drawings under scrutiny over Epstein birthday letter

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A number of drawings produced by President Donald Trump have resurfaced after it was reported that he sent a "bawdy" letter and sketch to Jeffrey Epstein to mark his 50th birthday.

In response to a Wall Street Journal report that he sent a letter and sketch of a naked woman to Epstein in 2003, five years before the financier was convicted of child sexual abuse, Trump said, "I never wrote a picture in my life."

The Wall Street Journal declined to comment when contacted by Newsweek, while the White House said it had nothing to add beyond Trump's public statements.

Why It Matters

In recent weeks, Trump has faced a backlash from a section of his base after his Justice Department published a memo saying Epstein died by suicide while in federal custody in 2019. The agency also concluded that there was no evidence Epstein possessed an "incriminating 'client list.'"

The president has since blamed Democrats for what he calls the "Jeffrey Epstein Hoax," which he has branded a "SCAM." Conspiracy theorists have long suggested that Epstein kept a list of clients involved in child abuse whom he blackmailed and that he could have been murdered to protect powerful individuals—claims the FBI and Department of Justice deny.


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Looks like Trump lied about his ability to "draw" or "sketch" pictures, such as the birthday greeting of a naked woman that Trump made for Epstein on his 50th birthday.

MAGA is going to have a hard time getting the truth from Trump..!


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Anyone who believes this man is capable of telling the truth any time he opens his KFC hole in living in denial.

The #1 excuse used by Trump supports in our area...THEY ALL LIE..!

...meaning, Dems lie too, so it's ok if Trump lies..!

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Then there are the various comments about his daughter - the grabbing girls vaginas without consent - there's the walking through under age girls dressing rooms at pagents. . . . it's a very long list of 'circumstancial' evidence. Murica !


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Trump once hosted party for ‘young women’ where Epstein was the only guest, says report
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Donald Trump once hosted a party with “young women” where the disgraced late pedophile Jeffrey Epstein "was the only other guest,” according to a report.

The president is under pressure to release all files relating to the Epstein case, which he has so far refused to do despite a 2024 election promise.

The anecdote was part of a New York Times piece on Saturday entitled “Inside the Long Friendship Between Trump and Epstein.”

It states that “For nearly 15 years, the two men socialized together in Manhattan and Palm Beach, Fla., before a falling out that preceded Mr. Epstein’s first arrest.”

The piece goes on to describe Trump hosting “a party at Mar-a-Lago for young women in a so-called calendar girl competition, Mr. Epstein was the only other guest.”

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It states that the party was organized by Florida businessman George Houraney.

“Mr. Houraney recalled being surprised that Mr. Epstein was the only other person on the guest list,” it states.

“I said, ‘Donald, this is supposed to be a party with V.I.P.s,” Mr. Houraney told the newspaper about the party in 2019. “You’re telling me it’s you and Epstein?’”

It comes just days after a bombshell report by The Wall Street Journal, which a bawdy message and doodle from Trump among an album of letters celebrating Epstein’s 50th birthday.

The president has denied that the drawing or letter was his doing and is now suing the Journal, News Corp, Rupert Murdoch, and two journalists.

On Friday, Attorney General Pam Bondi filed a motion in New York “to release grand jury transcripts associated with” the Epstein case.

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I'm not sure the Johnson woman is making that up or not. Seems a bit contrived. But I keep going back to that movie "Eyes Wide Shut" with Tom Cruise and it just makes me wonder! Is this life imitating art?

anyway, if they would just open the files like they promised, all of this can be dispensed with in a hurry.

They promised to release them,, Trump at one point demanded their release and now, there is nothing to release. Just ain't buying into it.


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Originally Posted by Damanshot
I'm not sure the Johnson woman is making that up or not. Seems a bit contrived.

If this were a one-off accusation, maybe we could treat it in isolation. But it’s not.

There’s E. Jean Carroll’s credible rape allegation—which a jury found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation.
There’s the infamous “grab them by the p**”** tape—an open admission of sexual assault.
There are credible reports of him walking into underage girls' dressing rooms during beauty pageants.
He’s made disturbing comments about his own daughter—saying he’d date her, commenting on her body, and even joking about their sex lives.
He cheated on his pregnant wife with Stormy Daniels—then tried to cover it up with hush money.
And let’s not forget: he was close with Jeffrey Epstein for over a decade—attending parties, flying on his plane, and appearing in court documents during a time when Epstein was trafficking underage girls.

None of this is speculation. Much of it is on record, in court, or from Trump’s own mouth.

The pattern is undeniable. The man has a long, troubling history with women—especially young women. The “circumstantial” evidence isn’t just a pile—it’s a mountain.


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Trump suing Murdoch for $10bn. It'd be interesting to see Murdoch truly spilt with Trump. His media empire turning on Trump would be the end of him.


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I'm not sure the Johnson woman is making that up or not. Seems a bit contrived.

If this were a one-off accusation, maybe we could treat it in isolation. But it’s not.

There’s E. Jean Carroll’s credible rape allegation—which a jury found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation.
There’s the infamous “grab them by the p**”** tape—an open admission of sexual assault.
There are credible reports of him walking into underage girls' dressing rooms during beauty pageants.
He’s made disturbing comments about his own daughter—saying he’d date her, commenting on her body, and even joking about their sex lives.
He cheated on his pregnant wife with Stormy Daniels—then tried to cover it up with hush money.
And let’s not forget: he was close with Jeffrey Epstein for over a decade—attending parties, flying on his plane, and appearing in court documents during a time when Epstein was trafficking underage girls.

None of this is speculation. Much of it is on record, in court, or from Trump’s own mouth.

The pattern is undeniable. The man has a long, troubling history with women—especially young women. The “circumstantial” evidence isn’t just a pile—it’s a mountain.

I'm aware of all of that, Just saying while listening to her, she wasn't convincing. But I honestly don't know. What I do know is that over 1000 girls have come forward to complain or at least admit to Trump and Epstiens actions so my guess is it's as real as it could possibly be. With that, why would MAGA want this all released? Is it because they think its going to tell a different story. one that Trump and MAGA has been touting. That is that Democrats are Pedos etc...


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House GOP blocks Dem maneuver to force release of Epstein files

House Republicans on Monday night voted against attaching a Democratic amendment to landmark cryptocurrency legislation that would force the Justice Department to release the Jeffrey Epstein files.

Why it matters: It's the outcome Democrats anticipated, and one they plan to gleefully cite as President Trump continues to grapple with the MAGA fallout over the DOJ's handling of the documents.

"The question with Epstein is: Whose side are you on?" Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), the author of the Epstein measure, told Axios ahead of the vote.
"Are you on the side of the rich and powerful, or are you on the side of the people?" he said, promising to introduce the amendment "again and again and again."

What happened: The House Rules Committee, which prepares legislation for votes on the House floor, voted 5 to 6 against attaching Khanna's amendment to a procedural measure related to the GENIUS Act and a defense funding bill.

The measure would have forced Attorney General Pam Bondi to publish all documents related to Epstein on a "publicly accessible website" within 30 days of procedural measure being enacted.
Republicans said the amendment was not pertinent to the GENIUS Act, which would create the first regulatory framework for stablecoins, or the defense funding bill.

Yes, but: In a rare move, Rep. Ralph Norman (R-S.C.) crossed over and voted with the panel's four Democrats in favor of attaching the amendment.

He told Axios earlier on Monday: "The public's been asking for it. I think there are files. All of a sudden not to have files is a little strange. We'll see how it plays out. ... I think the president will do the right thing."
Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas), the other right-wing member of the panel who occasionally breaks with his party, did not vote.

What they're saying: "I want to know what the hell is in these files," said Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.), the top Democrat on the Rules Committee, arguing in favor of the resolution.

"This is about trust. Republicans said, 'Trust us. Vote for us and we will release these files.' Well, here we are — they're backtracking," McGovern added.
"I think most of us believe what's appropriate will be released when it is time for the president to release it," Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.), the chair of the Rules Committee, said after the vote.

Zoom in: McGovern also tried to ram through Rep. Marc Veasey's (D-Texas) five-page resolution demanding that the administration release the Epstein files and that the FBI release a report on "any delays, suppression or destruction of evidence" related to the files.

Norman voted with Republicans against that measure, arguing that the Rules Committee "isn't the body to do this." It failed in a 4 to 8 vote.
"It will be borne out by the legal authorities and by the public," Norman said. "We're talking about crypto, Jim. We're talking about regulations."

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/15/trump-epstein-khanna-doj-democrats-republicans

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Johnson shuts door on House vote before September on releasing Epstein files

Speaker Mike Johnson on Monday said he does not plan to allow votes on any measures related to the Jeffrey Epstein case in the House’s final week in Washington before a weekslong recess, despite intense pressure from some of his own GOP members to go on the record on the issue.

Some of President Donald Trump’s most loyal supporters in Congress have been pressing party leaders to allow for a vote to show they support transparency around the Epstein saga — an issue that continues to animate the MAGA base even as Trump has repeatedly sought to blame Democrats for fanning the flames.

The House forcing the Trump administration to turn over materials against its will would represent a remarkable rebuke of the president by his base. But the push has shown little forward momentum among the party’s leadership on Capitol Hill.

Johnson told CNN on Monday the full House would not vote on a pending measure from members of his own party – a non-binding resolution calling for the release of additional Epstein files – before the chamber’s August recess, which is slated to begin at week’s end.

“My belief is we need the administration to have the space to do what it is doing, and if further congressional action is necessary or appropriate, then we’ll look at that, but I don’t think we’re at that point right now, because we agree with the president,” he said.

As part of a deal to approve the White House’s rescissions package last week, Johnson reached an accord with GOP holdouts that allowed the House Rules Committee to advance that non-binding resolution calling for the Epstein files release. But it is unclear if that measure will make it to the House floor, with Johnson firmly standing behind Trump on the matter.

“There is no daylight between the House Republicans … the House and the president on maximum transparency,” Johnson said, adding that Trump wants “all the credible files” on Epstein to be released and asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to produce grand jury testimony related to the case and “all of that is in process right now.”

Still, a bipartisan group of House members — led by Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie — is seeking to circumvent Johnson and force a vote on a separate bill calling for the release of the files. Massie will need a majority of House members to sign on to what’s known as a discharge petition to force a floor vote.

That measure wouldn’t be considered by the full House until after Labor Day at the earliest if Massie is successful.

Johnson’s leadership team had been privately signaling they would not bring up any Epstein measures this week, two Republicans familiar with the matter told CNN.

Enough GOP support secured to force vote

Ten House Republicans have now signed onto Massie’s measure – a level of GOP support that would trigger a full vote by the GOP-controlled House on the measure if all Democrats supported it, as expected. But don’t expect a new tranche of documents to immediately be made public.

A vote to compel the full House to consider the effort can’t come until after Labor Day at the earliest when lawmakers return from their five-week summer recess. That’s because Massie and California Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna are using a discharge petition.

That procedural maneuver requires seven legislative days before House lawmakers can formally collect the necessary signatures. Once they prove they have support from 218 members, it would force party leaders to bring it to the floor.

Trump’s attorney general has asked for grand jury material to be made public – which also is likely to be a slow-moving effort, and one that requires court approval. But the Massie and Khanna measure goes significantly further, requiring the Trump administration to release “all unclassified records, documents, communications, and investigative materials” related to Epstein within 30 days.

It would also require the White House to release a “list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials” — a list that Trump’s base has been demanding.

Khanna previously told CNN’s Jake Tapper that he would deliver “all 212 Democrats” on the measure. While many Democrats previously decried the promotion of conspiracy theories about Epstein, they have in recent days pushed for greater transparency, arguing Trump is trying to protect himself and aiming to further drive a wedge between Trump and his base.

“Why do we think President Joe Biden or President Barack Obama’s names are being invoked because Donald Trump is running scared, and the Trump administration is running scared. What are they hiding from the American people, release the files so that the American people can make a decision on their own,” House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries told reporters during a press conference Monday.

With all Democrats behind the effort, 10 Republicans would be more than enough to meet the necessary 218 threshold. Along with Massie, the Republicans already on board are: Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, Tim Burchett of Tennessee, Eric Burlison of Missouri, Lauren Boebert of Colorado, Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey, Eli Crane of Arizona, Cory Mills of Florida, Tom Barrett of Michigan, Max Miller of Ohio and Nancy Mace of South Carolina.

“I think momentum will build for transparency. I don’t think this is going to go away,” Massie told CNN on Monday. “And I think when we return in September, we’ll get phase two of the Epstein files.”

The move, of course, could end as many things in Congress do – with a lot of talk, a little corresponding action. Last week, Republicans held up a vote to approve a $9 billion package of spending cuts to foreign aid and public broadcasting, something Trump wanted, as they debated what to do on the Epstein case. They settled for the non-binding resolution calling for the release of additional files – which doesn’t immediately force any action and to which Johnson has been noncommittal.

Even continued talk of the Epstein case, though, is likely to irk Trump. Over the weekend, the president seemed to acknowledge the intractability of the subject as he noted he had ordered the release of grand jury materials.

“With that being said, and even if the Court gave its full and unwavering approval, nothing will be good enough for the troublemakers and radical left lunatics making the request. It will always be more, more, more. MAGA!” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform.

‘Sunlight is a good medicine’

But a chorus of conservative and moderate Republicans – including some of the president’s closest allies, like Greene – ratcheted up their demands for the release of more information on Monday.

“People want the information. They don’t want things covered up especially when it comes to the most well-known convicted pedophile in modern day history,” Greene, told CNN, noting that the “highest volume” of recent constituent calls to her office have been about Epstein.

Responding to Trump’s frustration with even his own supporters for not moving on from Epstein, Greene said she really likes Trump and thinks “he has a great pulse on things,” but “on this issue the American people really want to see transparency.”

“I think sunlight is a good medicine,” Rep. Don Bacon, a swing district Republican who recently announced his retirement, concurred, telling CNN he would vote for a standalone bill to press the administration to release more Epstein information. “I think there’s too much conspiracy theory and it’s just better to put light on it.”

Bacon said he thinks Trump administration “misled” Americans into believing there was more to the Epstein case, adding, “It’s a good lesson for everybody. It’s better to keep your powder dry and don’t speak until you’ve got the facts.”

The Justice Department announced earlier this month that there is no Epstein “client list,” even after Bondi teased having that information on her desk, and that the accused sex trafficker was not murdered in jail.

The Nebraska Republican noted that Congress has oversight authority and “those who are interested” would have an opportunity to question Bondi when she appears before committees overseeing the Department of Justice.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/21/politics/epstein-files-house-vote-gop-johnson-massie


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That’s a bad look. The resolution wasn’t even binding. It was symbolic most likely but they couldn’t even get that on the floor?


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Alex Acosta cut Epstein a sweet deal in 2005 and signed a co conspirator immunity deal. Bondi was Florida AG for 8 years after and didn’t do one thing on this case didn’t talk to one victim. Now, she gets the AG job under trump. She isn’t going to do anything for the victims. Neither is Todd Blanche.

Honestly, they need to dig into the co-conspirator list and see who/why these sleazes being protected. Release that list. And maybe now, talk to some victims.

I also think they are rushing to talk to Maxwell to see what she is going to say. She says the right things, she may get out of jail yet-or spend the rest of her life in there

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Man they are working overtime to stop that list from getting out. I mean, 5 months ago, there was a list on Bondi's desk, then last week, there wasn't a list, now they don't even want to entertain the thought of releasing the list that apparently did exist and they didn't and now maybe it does so lets hide it.


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rofl dude …. Everything!


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I have to take note that the answer to Pizzagate, the scenario that there are “deep state” government officials engaged in pedophilla may have its answer in Trump and Epstein.

Hillary has to be bemused. Bill may be concerned.

Sometimes being a billionaire has its own unique issues.


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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...e-over-lack-of-epstein-files/ar-AA1J5Jwc

The founder of a violent militia group who was pardoned for his role in the Jan. 6, 2021 Capitol attack by President Donald Trump, warned that Trump faces “trouble” over not releasing documents related to the Jeffrey Epstein case.

Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the far-right group the Oath Keepers, has joined a growing chorus of MAGA voices who have expressed anger that Trump hasn’t released more information about Epstein, the disgraced financier who allegedly killed himself in 2019 before he was set to face trial for sex crimes.

“I believe 90% of his own base understands that Epstein was up to something and we know that’s the tip of the iceberg,” Rhodes told a crowd at a Comfort Inn in Texas last week, the Daily Beast first reported on Tuesday.

Rhodes was referring to Attorney General Pam Bondi’s announcement earlier this month that documents related to Epstein ― including potential information on his co-conspirators ― don’t exist. Trump, a longtime friend of Epstein, has blamed Democrats over what he calls a “hoax.”

“It’s really disheartening to see President Trump just declare that to be a hoax,” Rhodes said. “I don’t think it is. And I think it’s going to cause him trouble in his own base. It already is.”

Rhodes was sentenced to 18 years in prison for his role in the Jan. 6 attack and was pardoned by Trump along with more than 1,500 other rioters. Rhodes and his fellow Oath Keepers had planned to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s election by any means necessary, including using an arsenal of guns that they brought from across the country if Trump had invoked the Insurrection Act that day.

Trump falsely claimed his poll numbers have “gone up, significantly” following the lack of Epstein files.

“My Poll Numbers within the Republican Party, and MAGA, have gone up, significantly, since the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax was exposed by the Radical Left Democrats and, just plain ‘troublemakers,’” Trump wrote Sunday on his social media platform Truth Social.

Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) canceled upcoming House votes on Tuesday and is sending lawmakers home early for a five-week recess to block a bipartisan effort to force a vote on releasing files on Epstein.

On Tuesday, Trump again downplayed his role with Epstein.

“We had the Greatest Six Months of any President in the History of our Country, and all the Fake News wants to talk about is the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.


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Originally Posted by WooferDawg
I have to take note that the answer to Pizzagate, the scenario that there are “deep state” government officials engaged in pedophilla may have its answer in Trump and Epstein.

Hillary has to be bemused. Bill may be concerned.

Sometimes being a billionaire has its own unique issues.

This is getting into my bias, but nothing would make me happier than to see just a culling of elites from all this. All these people who have escaped accountability for decades. Clinton, Dershowitz, current POTUS, royals, foreign ministers, wealth elites, etc. It is absolutely a pipe dream, but I can still dream...


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Originally Posted by WooferDawg
I have to take note that the answer to Pizzagate, the scenario that there are “deep state” government officials engaged in pedophilla may have its answer in Trump and Epstein.

Hillary has to be bemused. Bill may be concerned.

Sometimes being a billionaire has its own unique issues.

This is getting into my bias, but nothing would make me happier than to see just a culling of elites from all this. All these people who have escaped accountability for decades. Clinton, Dershowitz, current POTUS, royals, foreign ministers, wealth elites, etc. It is absolutely a pipe dream, but I can still dream...


05..THAT WOULD BE GREAT..!

Somewhere, someone has an unredacted copy of Epstein's files and notations.

Everyone knows that House Speaker Mike Johnson and the rest of the GOP are doing all they can to help Trump escape responsibility for his pedophilia. It is so evident what Trump needs Ghiz Maxwell to lie and say she never saw Trump partake in any pedophilia conduct...and that will earn Maxwell a "pardon" for her sex trafficker conviction.

Will Republican voters support this Trump scheme to lie his way out of his Epstein like conduct of bedding young underage girls..?

I predict that many GOP voters will leave their moral values behind and continue to support Trump.

If this Trump scheme works and Maxwell lies about Trump's involvement it will likely earn Maxwell a Trump pardoned.

End of story..?.."HELL NO"..not if the victims begin to speak out and name names.

We don't know how many young girls were taken advantage of over the 15 yrs that Epstein and Trump were best friends. It is possible that there could be a hundred or more young girls who were taken advantage of by the elites like Trump and Epstein..meaning there could be a hundred or more who are now willing to tell of their experiences with these best friends. jmo


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The secret recordings that could blow open Trump’s true relationship with Epstein
Nearly ‘100 hours of tapes’ are said to reveal a tangled history of privilege, conflict and fractured loyalty between the pair

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“I have been beating this horse for a very, very long time,” says Michael Wolff.

“And suddenly now everybody’s [saying] ‘oh yeah, Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein’. Why people did not see that this was a story a long time ago is just amazing to me. It is confusing that it could have been out there in plain view, and ignored for so long.”

Five years before Epstein’s death in 2019, Wolff, best known as the author of four bestselling books on Trump’s presidency, began recording hundreds of interviews with the financier, and attended exclusive events at his flat in New York. For years, no publisher or broadcaster has dared to touch the explosive cache – which he claims runs close to 100 hours of tape, split over some 30 sessions together.

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Author and Trump expert Michael Wolff says he has collected around 100 hours of tape that reveal Trump and Epstein’s relationship Credit: Sky UK
Instead, Wolff has released only snippets of the recordings to date. But now, thanks to the mounting speculation about the extent of Trump’s relationship with Epstein, the tapes have become some of the most in-demand material in America.


Epstein died by suicide while awaiting trial for sex trafficking, accused of procuring prostitutes – some underage – for his friends and acquaintances. Trump’s Maga base have long clamoured for the release of classified documents about his case, believing they could incriminate establishment figures, in particular Bill Clinton (who has denied all knowledge of Epstein’s crimes).

Having been friends with Epstein for years before a bitter falling out in 2004, Trump took full advantage of the situation, repeatedly suggesting that there was explosive material possessed by authorities which would come to light if he was re-elected, and hinting Epstein might not have taken his own life.

Yet as Trump has backed away from his promises of disclosure on Epstein, Maga commentators have started to turn on him. The disgraced former general Mike Flynn, a sometime ally who has become a political commentator, posted on social media reminding the president – in capital letters – that the “EPSTEIN AFFAIR IS NOT GOING AWAY”.


Having stoked Epstein conspiracy theories for years, including indulging the idea he kept a so-called “client list” used to blackmail co-conspirators, Trump and his team may now find that their strategy comes back to bite them.


“[Threatening disclosure] was a typical Trump blow-hard kind of thing,” Wolff says. According to his reportage, Trump and Epstein were at one time even closer than had been previously thought.

Trump and Epstein, wealthy and connected men of similar ages, mixed in similar fields and socialised together frequently. They were on several occasions spotted at the same parties.

In 2002, Trump called Epstein a “terrific guy” in a New York Magazine profile, adding that “he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” In audio files previously released on Wolff’s Fire and Fury podcast, Epstein said he had been Trump’s “best friend” for 10 years; Wolff has also said Trump’s nickname for Epstein was “Jeffy”.

“From 1988/89 through to 2004 Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were the best friends,” Wolff, 71, says over the phone from his home in the Hamptons.

“These were Eighties guys, from a moment when having money forgave anything and everybody idolised anybody who had money. Having money gave you this extraordinary entitlement. This was the last blush of what it is to be a playboy. They had the money, the planes, the total disregard of middle class rules. [...]



“They had the same interests. They did the same things, pursued the same activities, pursued very often the same women. Someone called me the other day and said ‘you don’t mean Trump was interested in little girls?’ I said ‘no … but they [Trump and Epstein] were both obsessed with models.

“They started modelling agencies, invested in modelling agencies. Trump has his beauty pageants, Epstein had the Victoria’s Secret stuff [Epstein was an advisor to Les Wexner, the Victoria’s Secret boss].”


‘They had the same interests. They did the same things’, says Michael Wolff Credit: Davidoff Studios Photography/Archive Photos
Wolff says the friendship centred on Palm Beach, Florida, where Epstein and Trump were neighbours. “Epstein had this set of a dozen Polaroids of Trump around Epstein’s swimming pool,” Wolff recalls. He alleges the images were held in Epstein’s safe, which the FBI seized when they raided his homes in New York and Palm Beach in July 2019.

“I remember three of them vividly. Two of the pictures had topless girls sitting in Trump’s lap, and one where Trump has a stain on the front of his [trousers] and three or five topless girls are pointing at it and laughing. These guys defined each other. Epstein is the best window through which to understand Trump.”


Last week, a report in The Wall Street Journal alleged that Trump sent Epstein a card on his 50th birthday in 2003, with a drawing of a naked woman and an imagined cryptic conversation between the two men which was said to include the phrase “may every day be another wonderful secret”. Trump immediately denied writing the note, claiming: “it’s not my language … it’s not my words.” He added he did not “draw pictures of women”.


In the wake of the story, the White House has banned the WSJ from covering an upcoming trip to Scotland due to the “fake and defamatory conduct” and Trump has moved to sue the Rupert Murdoch-owned publication for $10bn. The president has spoken of being subjected to a “witch hunt”.

On Monday, White House communications director Stephen Cheung said Trump once kicked Epstein out of his club for being a “creep” and called allegations about him “recycled, old fake news”.

After decades of friendship, in 2004, Trump and Epstein had what Wolff describes as an “acrimonious” falling out over a real estate deal, so were not close during Epstein’s alleged crimes at the so-called “Epstein Island”, Little St James in the US Virgin Islands. It was after that that criminal accusations first started to gather around Epstein, culminating in a 13-month prison sentence for prostitution in 2008.



In 2014, Epstein approached Wolff, a highly respected New York journalist who had been the media columnist of Vanity Fair, with a view to being written about. Wolff had just begun writing about Trump, work which would form the basis of Fire and Fury, the first of his accounts of the president’s time in the White House.


“Epstein said ‘you can ask me anything, I have nothing to hide, and you judge for yourself whether I’m honest,’” Wolff recalls. After a couple of “pretty damn interesting” conversations, Wolff began attending the events Epstein held at his mansion on the Upper East side, thought to be one of the largest private residences in New York.

“It was kind of extraordinary,” Wolff says. “The people there were amazing. From Bill Gates to Ehud Barak [former Israeli prime minister] to Larry Summers, just one person after another.”

Prince Andrew?

“Yeah,” Wolff says. “Epstein conducted these things at his dining table. People came in from morning until night. There were very few women, it had a men’s club feel to it. But it was kind of irresistible, frankly, and I confess to having a good time. The subjects were foreign policy, the economy. No girls, that was never a topic.

From left to right: Melania Trump, Prince Andrew, Gwendolyn Beck and Jeffrey Epstein at a party at the Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach in 2000
From left to right: Melania Trump, Prince Andrew, Gwendolyn Beck and Jeffrey Epstein at a party at the Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach in 2000 Credit: Davidoff Studios Photography/Archive Photos
“Then in 2015, when Trump started to run [for the presidency], Epstein started to talk about his relationship with Trump, which was eye-opening. I was starting to write about Trump, so it was very valuable. In 2017, [Epstein] became friends with Steve Bannon and they bonded over their mutual obsession slash hatred of Trump. They talked about Trump all the time.”

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As the authorities closed in on Epstein prior to his arrest in 2019, he remained in touch with Wolff. In a piece from 2020, The Last Days of Jeffrey Epstein, Wolff details the acrimony between Epstein and Trump. Epstein refers to Trump as a “moron,” and makes derogatory claims about his leadership style. “He lets someone else be in charge, until other people realise that someone else is in charge. When that happens, you’re no longer in charge.”

After the fall-out over their property deal, Wolff says Epstein came to believe it was Trump – who had close relations to the Florida law enforcement – who turned Epstein in before he was jailed for soliciting prostitutes in 2008.

In the same piece, Wolff quotes Bannon telling Epstein he was the “only person” he was afraid of during Trump’s first presidential campaign, implying he believed the financier knew dangerous secrets about Trump.

“As well you should have been,” Epstein is reported to have replied. It was during Trump’s presidency that Epstein was arrested.

Wolff’s own relationship with Epstein had a macabre denouement.

“The last message he wrote appears to be to me,” Wolff says. “He died on Saturday morning and I got the message on Friday evening. I had written a note through his lawyers asking how he was doing. The message was ‘pretty crazy. But still hanging around – no pun intended’. Then he died with the bedsheet around his neck a few hours later. It was very weird.”

The circumstances of Epstein’s death have become a lightning rod for conspiracy theorists. He was found in the early hours of Aug 10 2019, hanging off the side of his cell’s bed. The official ruling was a suicide by hanging, but Epstein’s lawyers challenged that account. Two guards who were meant to check on him had fallen asleep, and two CCTV cameras in front of his cell malfunctioned at the critical moment. Surveys have suggested that only 15 per cent of Americans believe Epstein died by suicide.

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A protester outside Thurgood Marshall United States Courthouse during the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell in 2021 Credit: BRYAN R. SMITH/AFP
When the US Department of Justice finally released a tape of events that evening two weeks ago, analysts found that nearly three minutes had been cut out.

“It seems implausible that he could have killed himself in the way they say he would have had to have killed himself,” Wolff says, “but equally implausible that he would have been murdered and all of the people, the FBI agents and assistant US attorneys would either know something or keep quiet about it. I don’t know.”

In the years since Epstein’s death, Wolff has tried to draw attention to what he claims was the true extent of his relationship with Trump. But he has not gained much traction.

“I’ve been trying to place this stuff for a long time.” Wolff says, describing how he has pitched larger treatments of his “endless amounts of recordings” countless times, only for the plug to be pulled at the last minute.

“It’s so compelling that everyone’s always interested, but executives decide it’s too complicated and controversial. Because as soon as you start to deal with Epstein as a person with multiple dimensions, instead of just this evil guy, it freaks everybody out.”


He says he thinks partly the press has not been willing to further confront Trump’s friendship with Epstein.

“There has been, among the respectable press, a view that this subject is too icky,” Wolff says. “Good people don’t discuss this. He’s the president of the United States, how can you link him to the president of the United States without evidence… It has something to do with the fact that there is not the language in the post MeToo world to discuss sex. You have to talk about sex, you have to make distinctions between girls and women, talk about the complicated idea of consent of victims. It’s very hard in the recent climate.

“People don’t know how to approach this,” he adds. “They think it’s going to be too hot to handle, the Right wing is going to yell at us and the Left wing is going to yell at us and the women are going to yell at us and Trump is going to yell at us. We’re not going to be a hero to anyone if we tell this story.”

To judge by the renewed interest in Wolff’s 100 hours of tapes, this time, the weight of public pressure may prove decisive.

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FBI personnel were told to flag Epstein files mentioning Trump, Senate Democrat says

Sen. Dick Durbin questioned DOJ leadership over their handling of the Epstein files, including reports that FBI personnel were told to "flag" any mentions of Trump.

WASHINGTON — Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., pressed Justice Department leadership about their handling of files related to the federal investigation into the late Jeffrey Epstein, including reports that FBI personnel were instructed to "flag" any records that mentioned President Donald Trump.

In a series of oversight letters written to Attorney General Pam Bondi, FBI Director Kash Patel and FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino, Durbin questioned Bondi about "contradictions" in her public statements on the case, Patel about reports that he was "pressured" by Bondi to place 1,000 personnel on 24-hour shifts to mine roughly 100,000 Epstein-related records and Bongino about reported disputes among Trump officials about “the lack of transparency” in their handling of the high-profile case.

In the letters sent Friday, Durbin, the top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, asked each of the Trump administration officials to respond to information received by his office that suggested FBI personnel were specifically instructed to "flag" any records mentioning Trump.

"My office was told that these personnel were instructed to 'flag' any records in which President Trump was mentioned. ... Why were personnel told to flag records in which President Trump was mentioned," Durbin asked Bondi, Patel and Bongino in separate letters. "What happened to the records mentioning President Trump once they were flagged?"

A Durbin aide told NBC News that the senator's office received that information from a protected FBI whistleblower disclosure.

The FBI declined NBC News' request for comment on Durbin's letters.

The letters mark the latest attempt by Democrats to keep attention on Epstein more than a week after the Justice Department released a memo outlining a decision to cease additional disclosures related to the investigation. The memo roiled Trump's MAGA base, creating a rare rift among Trump and the far-right base that thrusted him into power — a rift that Democratic lawmakers have aimed to widen.

In the aftermath of the Justice Department memo, Bondi has faced blowback in part because of previous public statements she made pointing to the existence of thousands of pages of additional documents related to Epstein, including a purported "client list."

Durbin, like many of Trump's supporters over the past week, asked the attorney general to reconcile her earlier public declarations with her department's finding that "no further disclosures" are warranted in the case and that a review of records "revealed no incriminating client list."

"Why did you publicly claim on February 21 that the client list was 'sitting on my desk right now to review?'" Durbin asked Bondi. "If it was not a client list, what was 'sitting on your desk' at that moment?"

Bongino and Patel have also faced backlash online. Both of them previously promoted conspiracy theories that suggested the Epstein case was part of a government cover-up to protect powerful political players involved in a child abuse ring.

Patel, in the only post he's made to his personal social media account since the Justice Department memo was released, said "the conspiracy theories just aren't true" and "never have been." Durbin, aiming to call attention to Patel's past suggestions of a cover-up, asked the FBI director to detail the conspiracy theories he was referring to in his post.

"What are the conspiracy theories you are referring to in your July 12 tweet that 'were never true?' If there are more than one, please explain each in detail," the senator wrote to Patel.

NBC News previously reported that Bongino was "out of control furious," skipped a day of work and considered resigning from his post due to the Justice Department's handling of the Epstein files, a topic Durbin questioned the former political commentator about.

"What was the nature of the dispute between you and White House and DOJ officials after the release of the July 7 memorandum," Durbin asked Bongino. "Is this dispute between you and White House and DOJ officials the reason behind your July 11 absence from work?"

Durbin also questioned the Trump officials about reporting from The Wall Street Journal that alleged Trump wrote a letter to Epstein in 2003, accompanied by a drawing of a naked woman, that was included in a leather-bound birthday album gifted to Epstein for his 50th birthday, according to documents reviewed by the Journal.

Trump has denied that he wrote the letter and he filed a lawsuit against the newspaper for publishing the story. NBC News has not independently confirmed the Journal's reporting.

A spokesperson for Dow Jones, the newspaper’s publisher, said in a statement, “We have full confidence in the rigor and accuracy of our reporting, and will vigorously defend against any lawsuit.”

"Did personnel review any correspondence between President Trump and Mr. Epstein, including a letter in the reported 'leather-bound album' as part of this year's review [of Epstein records]?" Durbin asked.

Hours after the Journal's reporting, Trump on Thursday directed Bondi to "produce any and all pertinent Grand Jury testimony" related to Epstein, "subject to Court approval." Bondi on Friday filed a motion requesting the unsealing of grand jury transcripts related to the Epstein case.

“Given the public interest in the investigative work conducted by the Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Investigation into Epstein, the Department of Justice moves the Court to unseal the underlying grand jury transcripts in United States v. Epstein, subject to appropriate redactions of victim-related and other personal identifying information,” the document said.

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Justice Department Told Trump in May That His Name Is Among Many in the Epstein Files
Bondi also told president at the meeting that Justice decided to not release more Jeffrey Epstein documents because of the presence of child pornography and the need to protect victims



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When Justice Department officials reviewed what Attorney General Pam Bondi called a “truckload” of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein earlier this year, they discovered that Donald Trump’s name appeared multiple times, according to senior administration officials.

In May, Bondi and her deputy informed the president at a meeting in the White House that his name was in the Epstein files, the officials said. Many other high-profile figures were also named, Trump was told. Being mentioned in the records isn’t a sign of wrongdoing.

The officials said it was a routine briefing that covered a number of topics and that Trump’s appearance in the documents wasn’t the focus.

They told the president at the meeting that the files contained what officials felt was unverified hearsay about many people, including Trump, who had socialized with Epstein in the past, some of the officials said. One of the officials familiar with the documents said they contain hundreds of other names.

They also told Trump that senior Justice Department officials didn’t plan to release any more documents related to the investigation of the convicted sex offender because the material contained child pornography and victims’ personal information, the officials said. Trump said at the meeting he would defer to the Justice Department’s decision to not release any further files.

The meeting set the stage for the high-profile review to come to an end. Bondi had said in February that Epstein’s client list was “sitting on my desk right now to review.” Trump said last week in response to a journalist’s question that Bondi hadn’t told him that his name was in the files.

The administration didn’t publicly announce the decision until weeks later on July 7, when the Justice Department posted a memo on its website. The statement, which was unsigned, stated that a thorough review had turned up no list of Epstein’s clients, no evidence that would lead to an investigation of uncharged third parties and no additional documents that merited public disclosure. It said that much of the material would have been sealed in a trial to protect victims and to block the dissemination of child pornography.

Typically, the FBI doesn’t disclose materials that aren’t related to a charged offense.

“This is another fake news story, just like the previous story by The Wall Street Journal,” said White House communications director Steven Cheung.

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In a statement to the Journal on Friday, Bondi and the deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche, said nothing in the files warranted further investigation or prosecution. “As part of our routine briefing, we made the President aware of the findings,” they said.

On Tuesday, Blanche said on X that the Justice Department was seeking to arrange a meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell in the coming days to discuss any possible information about anyone who has committed crimes with Epstein.

Maxwell was found guilty in 2021 of helping Epstein’s sex trafficking and sentenced to 20 years in prison. She has been in custody since she was charged in 2020 and didn’t testify at her trial.



One of Maxwell’s lawyers, David Oscar Markus, confirmed the discussions and said, “We are grateful to President Trump for his commitment to uncovering the truth in this case.” Maxwell has been seeking to have her conviction overturned, contending she didn’t receive a fair trial.

Both Epstein and Trump said years ago that they had a falling out. Trump has said their friendship ended before the financier was indicted for soliciting prostitution in 2006. Epstein later pleaded guilty to procuring a minor for prostitution in 2008, served time in a Florida jail and registered as a sex offender. When Epstein was arrested again in 2019, Trump said he hadn’t talked to Epstein for about 15 years. Epstein died in jail that year while awaiting trial on federal charges of sex trafficking.

FBI Director Kash Patel has privately told other government officials that Trump’s name appeared in the files, according to people close to the administration.

Patel declined to answer an inquiry from the Journal about the Epstein case, but said in a statement that the memo on the Justice Department website explaining why the department wouldn’t release more Epstein documents was “consistent with the thorough review conducted by the FBI and DOJ.”

Details of Bondi’s meeting with Trump haven’t been previously reported. Trump’s advisers had for months, including during the presidential campaign, said they would release the files, and Trump, while at times equivocal, indicated he would support the release.



Trump’s supporters, including some now serving in senior roles in the administration, claimed that the documents would expose global elites and powerful Democrats who spent time with the disgraced financier.

The decision to not release the files has triggered the most serious backlash from Trump’s political base since he launched his bid for the White House a decade ago, with a vocal group of the president’s allies seeing the move as a massive betrayal.

Trump has told administration officials in recent weeks that he wanted the growing public attention on Epstein to go away. On Tuesday, House Speaker Mike Johnson cut short the legislative session as some lawmakers demanded votes on more releases related to the Epstein files.

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Last Thursday, The Wall Street Journal published an article about a letter bearing Trump’s name that was included in a 2003 birthday album for Epstein, which was assembled before the financier was first charged. On Friday, Trump sued the Journal’s reporters, Journal publisher Dow Jones, parent company News Corp and executives, calling the letter “nonexistent” and alleging the article defamed him.




A spokeswoman for Dow Jones said, “We have full confidence in the rigor and accuracy of our reporting, and will vigorously defend against any lawsuit.”

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Pages from the leather-bound album are among the documents examined by Justice Department officials who investigated Epstein years ago, according to people who have reviewed the pages. It’s unclear if any of the pages are part of the Trump administration’s recent review.

On Thursday, Trump said he had directed Bondi to “produce any and all pertinent Grand Jury testimony, subject to Court approval!” On Friday, Bondi and Blanche asked a federal court to do so, saying it was “a matter of public interest.”

The grand jury testimony makes up only a portion of the more than 300 gigabytes of Epstein-related material the FBI compiled as part of the recent review. Among other material, the FBI confiscated digital and documentary evidence from Epstein’s properties in the U.S. Virgin Islands and New York in 2019 when he was arrested.




Grand jury testimony is subject to secrecy protections and faces potentially high hurdles for public release. Administration officials privately acknowledge that the court is unlikely to release the testimony.

On July 15, an ABC News journalist asked Trump, as he took questions from reporters at the White House, what Bondi told him about the Epstein files: “Specifically, did she tell you at all that your name appeared in the files?”

“No, no, she’s—she’s given us just a very quick briefing,” Trump responded. He also said Bondi had “really done a very good job” on the Epstein review.

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Bondi clashed with Dan Bongino, the deputy FBI director, about releasing the files.
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The decision to not release the files and the harsh fallout among the public has roiled some of Trump’s senior staff, who have staked their reputations on exposing the ties between Epstein and moneyed elites.

Patel, the FBI director, and his deputy, Dan Bongino, had been in favor of releasing more documents, people familiar with their efforts said.

Bongino has told colleagues that his association with the administration’s decision to keep the files private has eroded his credibility among the base of support that fueled his rise as a successful podcaster and media personality on the right, according to a senior administration official. Bongino didn’t respond to requests for comment.

On July 9, after ABC News reached out to the White House about Bondi’s briefing to the president, Bongino and Bondi clashed in a meeting in which Bondi alleged that Bongino secretly provided information to the media to damage her reputation, people familiar with the meeting said.

Bongino in turn exploded about Bondi, his face red, and called her a liar, a senior administration official said.

Write to Sadie Gurman at sadie.gurman@wsj.com, Annie Linskey at annie.linskey@wsj.com, Josh Dawsey at Joshua.Dawsey@WSJ.com and Alex Leary at alex.leary@wsj.com

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So now the WSJ has proven Trump is in the Epstein files… watching them slowly figure it out in the most awkward way is worth the price of admission.

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So now the WSJ has proven Trump is in the Epstein files… watching them slowly figure it out in the most awkward way is worth the price of admission.

The DOJ under Garland had the files. If there was anything that implicated President Trump in a bad light, you don't think Garland would have released those? That's the part that makes no sense to me.


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Let's face facts, Maxwell will get a sweet immunity deal and probably a Pardon. All she has to do is say that Trump had nothing to do with any underage girls.

I have one piece of advice she may want to ponder, Trump has a habit of getting what he wants and then switching up the deal.. Then she'll lose all Cred (if she even has any) and won't be able to explain her way out of it.


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So now the WSJ has proven Trump is in the Epstein files… watching them slowly figure it out in the most awkward way is worth the price of admission.

The DOJ under Garland had the files. If there was anything that implicated President Trump in a bad light, you don't think Garland would have released those? That's the part that makes no sense to me.


Weren't Those files sealed by a judge... Biden or Garland wouldn't have been allowed to release them.


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Let's face facts, Maxwell will get a sweet immunity deal and probably a Pardon. All she has to do is say that Trump had nothing to do with any underage girls.

I have one piece of advice she may want to ponder, Trump has a habit of getting what he wants and then switching up the deal.. Then she'll lose all Cred (if she even has any) and won't be able to explain her way out of it.



Trump is going to give "convicted pedophile Maxwell" a pardon in an effort to hide his own involvement.

That is not going to make Trumps pedophilia problem go away..it is going to make it worse.

After the pardon, the next move will come from the "victims", as many of them go public and name names and provide facts. These are not young girls anymore..they are grown women many who are looking for closure and accountability.

These young girls and young women should go public with the names of those who raped and bedded them when they were under-age. Regardless of who these rich and powerful "pedophiles" are, they must be exposed by the victims so they can be made to live as the "pedophiles" they are.


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So now the WSJ has proven Trump is in the Epstein files… watching them slowly figure it out in the most awkward way is worth the price of admission.

The DOJ under Garland had the files. If there was anything that implicated President Trump in a bad light, you don't think Garland would have released those? That's the part that makes no sense to me.

The Trump administration’s rather abrupt and combative 180 on the Epstein affair doesn’t make sense either. It’s one of those reactions where you scream “Don’t look over here there’s nothing!” Which makes everyone want to question what you’re hiding.

It leaves a lot to speculation. I would encourage everyone to read the depositions that are out there. Read all the names that were mentioned during the course of all them. How everything went down was creepy AF. The current situation, combined with what your point was, combined with all the names and places mentioned in the depositions leads me to believe that there are a slew of very powerful people across the spectrum who were entangled, and who are leveraging their influence and power to keep it from coming out.


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Does anyone think we will ever see all information from the resent DOJ meetings with Maxwell? Or will trump cherry pick what information to release and who to pursue based on his political agenda. ie go after all democrats on the list and only republicans he doesnt like. Republicans he wants to protect will not be mentioned. You know like adding and abetting for his gain.


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Version #347

"People keep writing about the time you flew out of Mar-a-Lago, can you settle that? What was it about? What caused the breach?" a reporter asked Trump during his trip to Scotland.

"Uh, that's such old history, uh, very easy to explain but I don't want to waste your time by explaining it," said Trump. "But for years I wouldn't talk to Jeffrey Epstein. I wouldn't talk. Because he did something that was inappropriate...

"He hired help and I said 'Don't ever do that again,'" he continued. "He stole people that worked for me. I said 'Don't ever do that again.' He did it again and I threw him out of the place. Persona non grata. I threw him out and that was it. I'm glad I did, if you want to know the truth."


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Just so I've got this straight. Trump brags about grabbing women's genitals but vehemently denies drawing them? Sounds about right.


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The lamest most scummy excuse yet. Version #348.............

Shark Tank’s Kevin O’Leary insists ‘nobody gives a poop’ about Epstein

‘Maybe they were raped, maybe they weren’t. This is not what American families give a d*mn about,’ Kevin O’Leary exclaimed on Monday night.

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He is talking about teenage girls. Some as young as 13.


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Could this guy be part of the Epstein files? Nobody has any idea whether he does or doesn't now do they....................

Former CEO of Christian nonprofit pleads guilty to possessing child pornography

The former CEO of My Faith Votes, a nonprofit that encourages "Christians in America to vote in every election," has pleaded guilty to possessing child sexual abuse images, months after his arrest.

Jason Christopher Yates, 56, pleaded guilty to two of eight felony counts of possession of child pornography on Tuesday, July 22, in a district court in McLeod County, Minnesota, according to a plea petition obtained by USA TODAY.

Yates was initially charged and arrested in October 2024, according to Minnesota state court records. My Faith Votes told Religion News Service that Yates served as its CEO until August 2024.

“In early August 2024, the My Faith Votes board of directors separated Jason Yates from My Faith Votes and board member Chris Sadler assumed the position of Acting CEO," the statement reads. "Over the last three months Chris has been working with the dedicated My Faith Votes team to encourage millions of Christians to vote, pray and think biblically about this election in America.”

Yates became the CEO of My Faith Votes in 2015 during the nonprofit's inception, according to his Truth & Liberty Coalition bio.

USA TODAY contacted My Faith Votes on Saturday, July 26, but has not received a response.

The Tamburino Law Group, whose attorneys served as Yates' legal counsel in the case, told USA TODAY in an email, "We are not commenting on this matter."

What did Jason Yates do?

According to a probable cause affidavit obtained by USA TODAY, an individual gave the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension a hard drive that contained child sexual abuse images on July 31, 2024. The person told agents that they received the hard drive from a relative of Yates who "accidentally discovered it" inside a dresser in the former CEO's office in McLeod County, Minnesota, according to the affidavit.

Yates' relative stumbled upon the child sex abuse images when they tried putting the hard drive in their computer for more storage, the affidavit reads. The hard drive contained more than 100 sexually explicit images of children, according to the document.

When agents met with Yates on Sept. 13, 2024, he confirmed that the child sex abuse images on the hard drive did not belong to the relative who found them, the affidavit states. He also told the agents that he had a prior conviction for possessing child sex abuse images, but it had been expunged, the document continued.

What is My Faith Votes?

My Faith Votes describes itself as a "non-partisan movement" that motivates Christians in the U.S. to vote in elections, according to the Fort Worth, Texas-based nonprofit's website.

"We desire to see an America where God is honored in the public square and biblical truth is advanced in our culture," My Faith Votes' website states.

The nonprofit was founded in 2015 by Sealy Yates, an attorney who previously served on President Donald Trump's evangelical advisory board, according to Politico. He is also Jason Yates’ uncle, according to Christian news site The Roys Report. Both are also literary agents representing Christian authors.

While My Faith Votes claims to be "non-partisan," the nonprofit has backed several Republican officials and conservative views, including anti-abortion.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee was My Faith Votes' honorary national chairman before becoming the U.S. Ambassador to Israel under Trump's administration, according to the nonprofit. Dr. Ben Carson was the founding honorary national chairman for the nonprofit before he became the U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development during Trump's first presidency.


Jason Yates is scheduled to be sentenced on Sept. 29, according to Minnesota court records.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ith-votes-ceo-pleads-guilty/85387519007/

Sounds totally non partisan to me.

We've all heard of the Christian Right. Is this guy a part of the Christian Wrong?


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Sounds like they should lose favorable tax status. Certainly political and certainly not non-partisan. Sounds kinda grimy to me.


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Didn't want to start it's own thread unless it becomes official but feels like it fits in here
I only copied and pasted the 1st part of the article
The rest is mostly about Combs:



Trump Now “Seriously Considering” Pardon For Sean Combs Ahead Of Sentencing; White House Officially Says Nothing

EXCLUSIVE: Donald Trump is heavily weighing giving Sean “Diddy” Combs a full presidential pardon ahead of the convicted Bad Boy Records founder’s sentencing later this year.

Nearly two months after Trump publicly entertained the notion of a Diddy pardon in an Oval Office gaggle, a comprehensive get out of jail card for Combs is being “seriously considered,” an administration source tells Deadline.


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/trump-now-seriously-considering-pardon-013444644.html

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My take away……. Trump was supplying under age girls to Jeff.


And……why are minors working at a Trump spa?


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Does anyone think we will ever see all information from the resent DOJ meetings with Maxwell? Or will trump cherry pick what information to release and who to pursue based on his political agenda. ie go after all democrats on the list and only republicans he doesnt like. Republicans he wants to protect will not be mentioned. You know like adding and abetting for his gain.


Yes, but it will take someone on the inside that has had enough of the BS and wants the real stuff out there. Otherwise, all we'll get will be cleaned of Trump related stuff that makes him look good.


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Nice to see the doj secretly helps a pedophile in the cover of night to better housing. Hey Republicans, anyone have problem with that. You know it was approved by trump. Becuase some how it will help trump. Don't Republicans at least have a line when it comes to pedophilia. They did when trump was running. Crickets now


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Ghislaine Maxwell moved to federal prison camp in Texas
By Kaitlan Collins, Katelyn Polantz, Hannah Rabinowitz, CNN
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Ghislaine Maxwell attends day 1 of the 4th Annual WIE Symposium at Center 548 on September 20, 2013 in New York City.
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Jeffrey Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell, who had been serving a 20-year prison sentence in Florida, has been moved to a lower-security federal prison camp in Texas.

“We can confirm, Ghislaine Maxwell is in the custody of the Bureau of Prisons (BOP) at the Federal Prison Camp (FPC) Bryan in Bryan, Texas,” BOP spokesperson Donald Murphy said in a statement to CNN.

Maxwell’s transfer to a minimum-security prison is relatively uncommon, as those convicted of sex offenses are almost always deemed too high of a risk to public safety. That means that those inmates are at best assigned to a low-security prison.


Maxwell, who was sentenced in 2022 for carrying out a years-long scheme with Epstein to groom and sexually abuse underage girls, has continued to appeal her conviction, including the Supreme Court.

The move comes a week after Maxwell met in private with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche at the US attorney’s office in Tallahassee. Details of that meeting have not been made public, though her lawyer has said that Maxwell “honestly answered every question that Mr. Blanche asked.”

Murphy declined to give any explanation for Maxwell’s move. The Justice Department has not responded to questions from CNN.

Her prosecution, along with Epstein’s, has long been a focal point for those who believe that powerful people are covering for each other’s crimes, a notion that has again spiked in the last month after the Justice Department declined to make public additional evidence in the Epstein investigation or prosecution.

Maxwell has publicly levied that attention to try to work with the government in several respects. Her meetings with Blanche lasted two full days. She has also offered to testify before Congress if major conditions were met, including immunity and receiving the questions beforehand. Those conditions, however, have been rejected.

Least-restrictive federal prison facility
A minimum-security prison camp, like in Bryan, is the least-restrictive type of facility among federal prisons, housing inmates considered to be low-risk, non-violent and unlikely to escape. Camps have very little or no fencing containing the inmates, and inside they are able to move relatively freely.

Other inmates in the camp for women include Jen Shah, who was on the TV show “Real Housewives of Salt Lake City,” and Elizabeth Holmes, formerly of the blood-testing company Theranos.

For an inmate like Maxwell to be transferred into a minimum-security prison, a top official inside of the Bureau of Prisons would need to conclude that her risk to public safety has lowered based off recommendations from prison staff or good behavior. That official, the administrator of the Designation and Sentence Computation Center, makes those determinations, according to the BOP.

The agency declined to explain the specifics of how Maxwell’s reassignment was handled.

Maxwell’s new facility, a federal prison camp, has limited perimeter fencing, a low staff-to-inmate ratio, and is “work- and program-oriented,” according to the BOP website.


Sam Mangel, a prison consultant who doesn’t represent Maxwell, suggested that she could run the risk of being threatened, hurt or injured in Tallahassee, especially if she continues to cooperate with the Justice Department, because the Tallahassee prison houses gang members and violent offenders.

“Given her situation, it’s the best for her,” Mangel told CNN.

But family members of Virginia Giuffre — one of the women who accused Epstein of sex trafficking and who died by suicide earlier this year — and other accusers of Epstein and Maxwell reacted to the news with “horror and outrage,” saying that it “smacks of a cover up.”

They accused President Donald Trump of sending a message that “pedophiles deserve preferential treatment and their victims do not matter.”

“Without any notification to the Maxwell victims, the government overnight has moved Maxwell to a minimum security luxury prison in Texas. This is the justice system failing victims right before our eyes,” wrote accusers Maria Farmer and Annie Farmer, as well as Giuffre family members Sky and Amanda Roberts and Lanette and Danny Wilson.

“The Trump administration should not credit a word Maxwell says, as the government itself sought charges against Maxwell for being a serial liar. This move smacks of a cover up. The victims deserve better,” they added.

Maxwell has previously sought more comfortable conditions
Federal prosecutors leading up to her sentencing hearing argued Maxwell should receive no leniency.

Maxwell also has repeatedly tried to receive more comfortable conditions during the time she’s been detained. Prior to her sentencing, Maxwell had complained about being held in Manhattan’s Metropolitan Detention Center, where she had more than a dozen hours a day outside of a cell and had access to a phone, TV, computers and a shower.

She had complained, however, about being isolated while in detention and believing she may face a death threat from another inmate.

Prosecutors noted to the judge in her case that she repeatedly complained to the Bureau of Prisons about physical abuse, but the agency at the time “concluded that they are unfounded,” according to a filing in her case.


“It apparently suits her to spread horror stories about her experiences in jail to the press in an attempt to garner public sympathy,” prosecutors wrote at the time in court. “Until July 2020, the defendant spent her entire life living in extraordinary luxury … It is no wonder, then, that she found jail jarring.”

In handing down her 20-year sentence, the judge initially designated her to go to a low-security prison and not a camp.

CNN’s Olivia Cruser contributed to this report.

This story has been updated with additional information.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/08/01/politics/ghislaine-maxwell-federal-prison-texas


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There has to be a “why” for that move…


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Donald Trump's Name in Jeffrey Epstein Files Redacted by FBI: Report

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Simple Fix, flip the house and senate, get the files and Unredacted them.... That's is we ever have fair elections again.


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I'm really struggling to unserstand how anyone - but especially those that are still Trump supporters - can square this situation away. I mean if I ry to break this down into overly simple steps:

- Epstein universally villified and assumed guilty of trafficking under age girls for sex for decades.
- Caught and commits suicide or is silenced while in custody.
- The situation was used by Trump and the 'Right' to attack Decmocrats who were accused of a massive cover up.
- One of Trump's campaign pledges/promises/stump speeches is to release everything on Epstein.

All straight forward so far - and with a history of making huge claims and then never following through with them, maybe no big deal if nothing much happens. That would follow a typical Trump trajectory (look at Ukraine, Look at Gaza, the 51st state and Greenland).

But then - Bondi says she has the files (or client list?) on her desk. Then there is a 2 page document that says there is nothing to see and nothing to release. Then there is seemingly a lot of new (?) maybe old examples of how close Trump and Epstein were clearly with the intent of soiling Trump with the connection -- but instead of transparency and clearing his name Trump starts making statments about how Epstein is old news and no-one is interested in Epstein ... when clearly there is/was a very large % of his MAGA base who are still definately interested if not frothing at the mouth to see files and whatever evidence is available. What happens next is even more bizare and hard to explain away:

- Ghislaine Maxwell who was Epstein's right hand in "all" of his trafficking and grooming - sentanced to 2o years for " perpetrating heinous crimes against children." is suddenly interviewed (was it 2 days).
- The next thing this monster is moved to a relatively cushy low security prison.

And what? No-one on the right wants to ask why? How? No-one wants to comment on the stink? I mean we will ignore the sudden spamming of right wing media of the debunked claims about the Russia investigation... but it does seem rather too coincidental in a world where media and voters are all too easily led by the sparkly new light / dead cat on the table.

I have no idea what the facts are. But I would like to see all the Epstein files - unredacted unless it is the name of an underage victim. And I would give those victims the option to be named or otherwise if they chose. Just seems like there is something there and somehow it's being brushed under the carpet, and those that frothed at the mouth for answers before are allowing themselves to be placated with a bunch of 'nothingness'.

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I think I read that SCOTUS is taking up the Maxwell case next session. WHY?

This for me is simple, Trump promised he'd release them..He's not gonna do that... Unless it's cleaned of any mention of him (my opinion)

Maxwell will be granted a pardon but she'll have to clear Trump of any wrong doing. (My opinion)

Have you seen all the pictures of that include Maxwell, Epstein and Melania and Donald? There are many of them.... Leading me to ask, how much did Melania know? Was she involved with any activitiy with minors? (not an opinion, just a question)


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While not directly connected to the Epstein files, still pretty creepy in a pedophile kind of way.....................

Donald Trump Inviting Sex Offender into White House Raises Eyebrows

President Donald Trump inviting former New York Giants linebacker Lawrence Taylor, a registered sex offender, to the White House on Thursday has garnered controversy.

Newsweek has contacted the White House for comment via an email sent outside regular business hours.

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Trump signed an executive order on Thursday to reestablish the Presidential Fitness Test for American children and reinvigorate a national sports council.

Taylor and other figures from the sports world, including pro golfer Bryson DeChambeau and Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker joined Trump in the Roosevelt Room of the White House to become formal members of the council, known as the President's Council on Sports, Fitness, and Nutrition.

Taylor was arrested in 2010 on rape and prostitution charges in connection with the assault of a 16-year-old girl. He pleaded guilty in 2011 to misdemeanor charges of sexual misconduct and patronizing a prostitute, was sentenced to six years of probation and ordered to register as a sex offender.

He was arrested in 2021 in Broward County, Florida, and charged with failing to report a change of residence as a sex offender. He later pleaded no contest to an amended charge and the case was closed. He was again arrested and charged with failing to report a residence change as a sex offender in July 2024, but prosecutors closed the case a few weeks later.

Taylor said during Thursday's executive order signing: "I'm just proud to be on this team. I don't know why, I don't know what we're supposed to be doing, but I'm here to serve and I'm here to serve you. So I'm going to do the best I can for as long as I can."

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-inviting-sex-offender-white-house-2107403

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I didn’t know he was a sex offender. I would hope the president’s staff would have vet him. I can’t say it doesn’t surprise me that this happened


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So now the WSJ has proven Trump is in the Epstein files… watching them slowly figure it out in the most awkward way is worth the price of admission.

The DOJ under Garland had the files. If there was anything that implicated President Trump in a bad light, you don't think Garland would have released those? That's the part that makes no sense to me.

Nope. That’s a dem problem, playing this out as though it’s normal times and not going for the throat. Trump’s gerrymandering is about to change that. I think we are on the precipice between autocracy and civil war. MAGA is a lie. He’s not doing a damn thing for the working class. He’s pulling a let them eat cake. I think MAGA will lead the overthrowing of their own tyrant. No need for me to pile on the pedo and queef.

AND I’m so happy I left the Republican party before it became the party protecting elite pedos. SMH, so many brainwashed to hate your neighbors, yet willing to defend the indefensible. Tragic.

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Surprising no one .... But refreshing to see Trump exposed and called out so blatantly.


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Former AG William Barr sits for deposition in House Oversight's Epstein probe

Former U.S. Attorney General William Barr sat for a closed-door deposition Monday as the first witness called in the House Oversight Committee's bipartisan investigation into convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Barr served as attorney general twice -- under George H.W. Bush and in Donald Trump's first administration.

In addition to Barr, the Oversight Committee earlier this month issued subpoenas for depositions to Bill and Hillary Clinton, former FBI directors James Comey and Robert Mueller, and former attorneys general Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder, Merrick Garland, Jeff Sessions and Alberto Gonzales for "testimony related to horrific crimes perpetrated by Jeffrey Epstein."

During a break in questioning, Oversight Committee Chair James Comer, R-Ky., told reporters that Barr, who was attorney general when Epstein was found dead in his prison cell Aug 10, 2019, has been cooperative with committee investigators.

"Attorney General Barr is answering every question, and I think that he's being very transparent. That's our goal with this investigation, is to be transparent," Comer said.

Comer also told reporters that Barr testified that he did not know anything about a "client list" and that President Donald Trump is not criminally implicated in the Epstein files.

Epstein, whose private island estate was in the U.S. Virgin Islands, has long been rumored to have kept a "client list" of celebrities and politicians, which right-wing influencers have baselessly accused authorities of hiding.

Multiple sources have told ABC News that no such client list exists.

"What Attorney General Barr testified in there was that he never had conversations with President Trump pertaining to a client list," Comer said. "He didn't know anything about a client list. He said that he had never seen anything that would implicate President Trump in any of this, and that he believed, if there had been anything pertaining to President Trump, with respect to the Epstein list, that he felt like the Biden administration would have probably leaked it out. And I think that's pretty much conventional wisdom among anyone that's practical in this."

Comer laid out some of the additional questioning posed to Barr.

"People want to know the truth about Epstein island. They want to know who was involved. Was the government involved? Did the government know about it? And I think Attorney General Barr's shed a lot of light with respect to his knowledge of it. And hopefully we'll bring in Merrick Garland and others and find out more."

Those subpoenas follow Comer's subpoena for the Department of Justice to produce its full, unredacted Epstein file by Tuesday, Aug. 19.

Comer told ABC News that he is engaged in "really good" conversations with the DOJ to comply with his subpoena, but he signaled the agency will miss Tuesday's deadline.

"You have to understand how many, you can imagine, how many documents there are," Comer said. "I think that we're going to have the -- I think we'll receive the documents very soon. They're compiling everything together. I think we're working together in a good faith effort, and everything's coming along. I expect to receive the documents very, very soon."

The Trump administration has been dealing with the fallout from its decision not to release materials related to the investigation into Epstein, the wealthy financier and convicted sex offender who died by suicide in jail in 2019, following the blowback it received from MAGA supporters after it announced last month that no additional files would be released.

The Justice Department and FBI announced last month that they had found no evidence that Epstein kept a client list, after several top officials, before joining the administration, had themselves accused the government of shielding information regarding the Epstein case.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/former-ag-william-barr-sits-deposition-house-oversights/story?id=124746562


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If the client list doesn't include trump's friends or himself why isn't he producing it? This entire spectacle is hilarious. trump and Republicans threw a tantrum over the Epstein files and how they should be released for years. Now they're coming up with every excuse in the book why they shouldn't be released. So Barr didn't discuss the Epstein files with trump. And that means what exactly again?


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I need to revisit this. Why all of the political theater here? Why is it still being hidden and why is it even really political at all? Why did Bondi claim it was on her desk only to turn around a week later and say it didn't exist? I don't know who any of Epstein's clients were. And for me I don't care what party the people on that list belong to. If Bill Clinton's name is on that list what difference does that make in reference to uncovering who the guilty parties are?

This is about the sickest thing on the planet. This is about pedophiles who have sexually abused children. About innocent victims who were sexually abused. That's information everyone should know whether they are Democrats or Republicans. But I've never seen this much of a dog and pony show over something like this. Can't we for once simply expect the right thing be done instead of having politicians treat it like a political football? Sometimes there are actually things more important than politics. The sexual abuse of children being one of them.

As far as I'm concerned there are most likely powerful people of both parties or their high powered donors on that list. It's my opinion both parties stand to lose something if it's all exposed. But I don't care about any of that and neither should anyone else. Let's just find out who the pedophiles are and stop with all of the nonsense.


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This in no way indicates trump's guilt in anything related to Epstein. What it most certainly does show is even some of the trump loyalists believe things they refuse to say out loud.................



The fury that would be unleashed on a democrat if they said this same thing would be unhinged. And many of them do. Almost word per word.


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The DOJ is controlled by Trump and believing what Trump says through the DOJ’s megaphone is being damn foolish. Just saying.


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What I don't get is if Trump was somehow implicated, why were files hidden away under that last DOJ? It seems to me they would have been more than eager to make them public?


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What I don't get is if Trump was somehow implicated, why were files hidden away under that last DOJ? It seems to me they would have been more than eager to make them public?

My guess is there’s a lot of people implicated who pull a lot of strings and/or have a lot of power. Only speculation though.


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What I don't get is if Trump was somehow implicated, why were files hidden away under that last DOJ? It seems to me they would have been more than eager to make them public?

My guess is there’s a lot of people implicated who pull a lot of strings and/or have a lot of power. Only speculation though.
I would say that's 100% accurate.

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What I don't get is if Trump was somehow implicated, why were files hidden away under that last DOJ? It seems to me they would have been more than eager to make them public?

My guess is there’s a lot of people implicated who pull a lot of strings and/or have a lot of power. Only speculation though.


Very well could be. Sex draws a lot of interest, no matter what the politics.

Sometimes I think it best we just don't know. I don't like to say that, but I said it because I think it so.


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Sometimes I think it best we just don't know. I don't like to say that, but I said it because I think it so.


I understand why you say this, but I respectfully disagree.

If we don't have transparency (or even the hope of transparency), we've lost everything that forms the basis of this 250 year-old experiment.
Citizens of good conscience can only make 'informed consent' of their vote, if they have good information regarding the folks who seek to garner their vote.

If they are kept from the details of something like this, how do they have any chance of knowing who should get their vote?

I disagree with you on a fundamental level with this one, 'Peen.

America NEEDS to know the names of those people on that list, no matter how uncomfortable it may be for anyone supporting any particular "side"...
...because now, more than ever, daylight is the disinfectant most necessary to fix the rot we all see before us.

I cannot believe that of all people, You would advocate for "turning a blind eye."

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It's the only chance we voters have of making better decisions about them, going forward.

Total transparency. No matter who gets caught.
Anything less is an open door to political corruption of a scale that will destroy what this country is supposed to represent.
Destroy that, and you no longer have a country.

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What I don't get is if Trump was somehow implicated, why were files hidden away under that last DOJ? It seems to me they would have been more than eager to make them public?

My guess is there’s a lot of people implicated who pull a lot of strings and/or have a lot of power. Only speculation though.
I would say that's 100% accurate.

I should say it goes beyond just speculation, too. If you read the various depositions and whatnot that have been made into public record, there are a lot of blatant references made to people, like Prince Andrew, one prime minister who I forget, Dershowitz, and a few others who maintain(ed) power. I was skeptical of the whole thing being conspiratorial myself until actually reading through some of it.


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What I don't get is if Trump was somehow implicated, why were files hidden away under that last DOJ? It seems to me they would have been more than eager to make them public?

My guess is there’s a lot of people implicated who pull a lot of strings and/or have a lot of power. Only speculation though.


Very well could be. Sex draws a lot of interest, no matter what the politics.

Sometimes I think it best we just don't know. I don't like to say that, but I said it because I think it so.

I don't know if you have kids, specifically girls, but what if it were your daughter? I can't speak for anyone else, but if it were my kid, there isn't a brick wall high enough or thick enough to keep me from getting to whoever hurt them!


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Sometimes I think it best we just don't know. I don't like to say that, but I said it because I think it so.

I'd wholeheartedly agree with you if we were talking about nuclear secrets, or geopolitical backroom drama and the like.

This is long-term/systemic illegal and abhorrent behavior done by people that then use our government as a shield against accountability. The ballet box is the few places where many of these people can be held to account.


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What I don't get is if Trump was somehow implicated, why were files hidden away under that last DOJ? It seems to me they would have been more than eager to make them public?

My guess is there’s a lot of people implicated who pull a lot of strings and/or have a lot of power. Only speculation though.


Very well could be. Sex draws a lot of interest, no matter what the politics.

Sometimes I think it best we just don't know. I don't like to say that, but I said it because I think it so.

I don't know if you have kids, specifically girls, but what if it were your daughter? I can't speak for anyone else, but if it were my kid, there isn't a brick wall high enough or thick enough to keep me from getting to whoever hurt them!

I do and I understand.

What if there isn't a "list"? Discretion is a part of the process. The list may be in peoples heads. Even if there is a "list" what's to say it isn't some made up list? Maybe your name is on that list, my name. I know I didn't go there but don't know about you...just saying as an example. I am pretty comfortable in saying you aren't on the list.

Even if there is a flight manifest with various names, that doesn't mean you did anything illegal while there. I am sure Epstein just took people there to enjoy a private paradise island that didn't have naked women available behind each door.

I don't like the guy any more than you do. One has to be careful when pointing fingers. You probably remember the name Fatty Arbuckle. He was a silent movie star back in the early 20th century. He was accused of raping and murdering some young starlet. I don't remember her name. Virginia something.

He was acquitted of all charges but public opinion had already thrown away the key on that guy. He never recovered.


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It could very well be that there is no list. That's what I used to think, and it still may be true. What is so odd about all of this - and the reason why so many people are starting to pay attention to it - is that Trump campaigned on the list. Pam Bondi at one point referred to the list being on her desk, and then they had that big, marketed reveal that...wasn't. There was so much spectacle about it. Then all of sudden, like on a dime, POTUS goes for a huge 180 against his base saying "Why does everyone care about the list?" to "Obama and Biden made up the list" to other damning comments. It's really that abrupt 180 that raised a lot of eyebrows. Hell, even Alex Jones was in literal tears about it.


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What you highlight is enough to raise questions.

The Ghislaine Maxwell interview and move to low security prison stinks and is flat wrong.


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If there is no list. There is tons of seized evidence and they can compile a list and seek justice. Maybe the "list" was just a catch phrase to get elected. Maybe we should stop worrying about a "list" and just seek justice from evidence.


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I think I’m culpable when I say “list.” It’s easier to refer to that vs saying all the people tied into nefarious acts via all the evidence.

I look back nearly 100 years to the time of the “Untouchables.” Man, we really need an echo of that. Instead of it being mobsters and bootleggers this time, it’s wealthy elites and politicians…in droves.


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But what about potential mortgage fraud?


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Biden chose to keep the Pandora’s Box closed and the conspiracy theorists went crazy.

Trump can’t resist a good conspiracy theory, and made it an election promise.

Trump opens Pandora’s Box and finds a mirror.

You can’t close Pandora’s Box, only live with the consequences.


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I think the absolute best case scenario in all of this for the Trump campaign is that they told a bold faced lie about the list existing. They campaigned on it and then said it was on Bondi’s desk and made a spectacle about releasing the binders. If that’s not the case, then either there is a list and Trump is not on it, and he’s covering up for someone else. Or, worst case scenario for him, he’s on the list and he’s implicated.

I don’t see there being any other option.


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There is no "list" there is evidence. trump probably is not implicated. It is about a campaign promise that riled up his base big time. They are not going to let it go and they shouldn't. When will this be about the victims? That should be the driving force.


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Originally Posted by BADdog
There is no "list" there is evidence. trump probably is not implicated. It is about a campaign promise that riled up his base big time. They are not going to let it go and they shouldn't. When will this be about the victims? That should be the driving force.


Bondi said that it was on her desk. Then when it blew up, as it always does with this administration, She didn't have it on her desk...

Which is true?

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Originally Posted by BADdog
There is no "list" there is evidence. trump probably is not implicated. It is about a campaign promise that riled up his base big time. They are not going to let it go and they shouldn't. When will this be about the victims? That should be the driving force.

I use list and evidence interchangeably now because it’s been made out to be that way.


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