The idea was to hopefully not have to draft a QB next year. I get what you're saying. But at least as it applies Sanders, I think you might wish to look at the success rate of fifth round draft picks. It's not very good no matter what position you draft. And I would suggest if you find a QB in round 3 or 5, you drafted a player who might help. Even if they end up being a four year backup.
Why would I need to look at anything? I know that the odds against begin to stack up the deeper in the draft you go, especially after round 2.
Even more so when talking about a QB you hope becomes a good starter.
Don't you look for every draft pick to be a good starter?
No, I want them to suck.
What the hell are you talking about.?
The part in bold makes it pretty self explanatory.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I feel like too many people put too much stock, positive and negative, in the predictive merit of a player’s draft position. Each one of these guys is an individual player with a story for why they got drafted where they did. There’s certainly some “wisdom of the crowd”, players drafted earlier show up as starters more often than those drafted later, but there’s also group think and sometimes some traits get over valued which leads to other traits getting overlooked.
I’m not an idiot, I know physical attributes matter a great deal in this game but what’s between the ears matters more to the QB position than just about any other in major sports. I don’t know if Gabriel washes out because his body just can clear the bar but when I look at his consistency and productivity in different environments, all against elite competition, I think that’s the kind of head-set that excites me. I totally understand why he dropped and I know I have a typical Brownsian wishful thinking but I’m very excited to see this kid in action. I love an underdog!
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Height may matter but other QB's Dillon's size have done decently. Let's give him every opportunity and then we can make our evaluations. Same with Shadeur and KP. They all deserve a fair shot.
I've heard ppl say that Gabriel was drafted because he fits the mold of a KS type QB --- accurate, smart, on time, etc. But so far, the reports from camp don't seem to say that same thing
IMO, KS has had the most success with bigger, pocket type QBs who can be accurate and push the ball down the field off PA
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Height may matter but other QB's Dillon's size have done decently. Let's give him every opportunity and then we can make our evaluations. Same with Shadeur and KP. They all deserve a fair shot.
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
I've heard ppl say that Gabriel was drafted because he fits the mold of a KS type QB --- accurate, smart, on time, etc. But so far, the reports from camp don't seem to say that same thing
IMO, KS has had the most success with bigger, pocket type QBs who can be accurate and push the ball down the field off PA
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by bonefish
How do you come to that conclusion?
He had a couple of bad practices so he's already claiming it's wasted draft pick. It's a case of having crystal balls.
He has similar height as Kyler Murray but without the foot works and speed. He will never be a franchise QB, at best a back up, you can all quote me on that.
What’s Stefanski’s type?
Baker seems to do fine with almost all his coaches when healthy. Same with Kirk Cousins. Deshaun got significantly worse with Ski. Flacco arrived as a senior QB who had already won a SB. Another one who probably took care of himself. The rest must be labeled as failures…
my only rebuttal would be that Brissett had a career type year (or half year or whatever) with KS
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Height may matter but other QB's Dillon's size have done decently. Let's give him every opportunity and then we can make our evaluations. Same with Shadeur and KP. They all deserve a fair shot.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO
Get with the program. Our third round pick is a 1,000,000 percent bust because he has not been elected to the HOF yet before his first pre season snap. Don't you get it.
my only rebuttal would be that Brissett had a career type year (or half year or whatever) with KS
Absolutely and there have been small improvements with almost every QB but there has also been setbacks and in some cases a clear stagnation.
It seems like he’s good with some of the technical aspects and creating schemes but looking at him on the sideline or on the training ground I have serious doubts about his human management, motivation skills and communication ability.
He failed totally in the end with both Baker and Deshaun.
It got to the point where all communication died.
It’s easy to always blame the players but when a relationship gets totally broken then the person with the most power has the ultimate responsibility to make sure that the communication continues one way or another.
It’s a huge red flag for me to me when a coach is involved in abrupt broken relationships with several star players in such a short time. How you break up is also a testament of your leadership.
I think that's where the "KS-type QB" aspect gets pumped up.
QBs that can see the D and deliver a ball accurately and on-time tend to do better than expected in Stefanski's offense. The ones that can't tend to have issues.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Again a simple question how did you arrive at your conclusion?
Film study? Practice attendance observations? Practice stats? What you read from others?
Guessing? What?
Myself, I have no idea what he will do. I have seen nothing.
I have seen all snaps with DG that’s available on internet. I have listen to multiple different opinions from various sources who has seen him live. I combine that with the statistical data available about the importance of height, foot works and speed.
I wish him the absolute best but if I have to put my neck inside a giljotin then my answer is short and simple - NO.
The dramaturgy has been there all the time.
Combine that with pride, stubbornness and the fact that he was a 3rd round pick, above Shedeur, and the script is almost self explanatory. The HC and GM don’t want to lose face in public, isn’t that obvious?
Throw your fourth choice out to the sharks and see what happens. If Sanders succeeds then guess who’s going to stand in front of the media and take the credit. If he fails the opposite will happen with smiles and “we tried “….
Flacco is so far our best option, followed by Picket and Sanders. Gabriel has huge mountain to climb to change that order if he don’t start to produce better on practice. .
Maybe it would be worth watching him play in real games.
The way I see it is if a player is on a team roster he needs real opportunity to prove what he can or cannot do.
Players who do not meet predetermined physical standards have succeeded in the NFL in the past.
Seems to me that the Browns saw something in DG to draft him. It should be enough to give him a legitimate chance.
I was listening to a radio show with a Browns beat writer and they were talking about how much Gabriel has struggled in camp and why he is still getting the reps he is getting. The beat writer said what they and no one gets to see is the classroom work done behind the scenes. Says Gabriel has to be doing well in the classroom work and earning his reps by his knowledge in the classroom because his reps have not been good on the field. My own assumption from all I have been hearing is he looks so small on the field. Most think his height listed is fudged and he is shorter than listed. He seems to be too short to succeed at this level.
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He is no shorter than Wilson. His height isn’t going to be the issue if he doesn’t succeed. He has played behind big lines at Oklahoma and Oregon without issues.
