How is providing evidence in a shooting "working with them"? All you are doing is making excuses for the FBI and the federal government to avoid transparency. To tell one side of the story while refusing to allow anyone else to take a look at the case. Your excuses are disgusting. Idiotic is to make excuses that while a vehicle is no longer a danger to an agent he is right in continuing shooting at someone.
This is what the madness from the right looks like. Good's father in law plainly told CNN he is a trump supporter just like you are. You managed to leave that part out. It's why you both sound the same.
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How is providing evidence in a shooting "working with them"? All you are doing is making excuses for the FBI and the federal government to avoid transparency. To tell one side of the story while refusing to allow anyone else to take a look at the case. Your excuses are disgusting. Idiotic is to make excuses that while a vehicle is no longer a danger to an agent he is right in continuing shooting at someone.
This is what the madness from the right looks like. Good's father in law plainly told CNN he is a trump supporter just like you are. You managed to leave that part out. It's why you both sound the same.
Again, why does the State and local officials refuse to work with the Feds? You want the Feds to be transparent, but the State and local officials fight against their every move. More than likely to prevent them from uncovering their fraud and their financial gain coming from allowing the fraud. But excuse 1 and not the other.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
I'm not so sure why this needs to be explained over and over again but here it goes again.......
ICE is the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. It's a federal agency responsible for immigration enforcement. Immigration enforcement is the responsibility of the federal government whose funding is solely for that purpose. Their budget is currently $10.042 billion dollars for 2025.
By contrast state and local law enforcement is funded by state and local taxpayers. It's use is intended and measured to enforce and investigate local and state crimes. Unlike ICE their budget can't just be increased at the drop of a hat because someone signs a piece of paper. Which is actually the job of congress but anyway.
So local and state police have very limited resources which is designated to do a certain job. That job does not include immigration enforcement. What you are suggesting is that these cities and states should take their limited resources which is designated to their police forces to investigate and police their local communities for other crimes and use it to supplement ICE.
If ICE needs more money and agents then they need to pay for that. Not drain the budget and resources from local law enforcement to help them do their job.
I don't think most people want their local police department to stop investigating who shot their brother or who stole their vehicle because those resources are bust elsewhere helping ICE. That's not what their tax money was paid to do.
Then of course you can't make a post without including BS you just made up in your brain.
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More than likely to prevent them from uncovering their fraud and their financial gain coming from allowing the fraud. But excuse 1 and not the other.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I'm not so sure why this needs to be explained over and over again but here it goes again.......
ICE is the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. It's a federal agency responsible for immigration enforcement. Immigration enforcement is the responsibility of the federal government whose funding is solely for that purpose. Their budget is currently $10.042 billion dollars for 2025.
By contrast state and local law enforcement is funded by state and local taxpayers. It's use is intended and measured to enforce and investigate local and state crimes. Unlike ICE their budget can't just be increased at the drop of a hat because someone signs a piece of paper. Which is actually the job of congress but anyway.
So local and state police have very limited resources which is designated to do a certain job. That job does not include immigration enforcement. What you are suggesting is that these cities and states should take their limited resources which is designated to their police forces to investigate and police their local communities for other crimes and use it to supplement ICE.
If ICE needs more money and agents then they need to pay for that. Not drain the budget and resources from local law enforcement to help them do their job.
I don't think most people want their local police department to stop investigating who shot their brother or who stole their vehicle because those resources are bust elsewhere helping ICE. That's not what their tax money was paid to do.
Then of course you can't make a post without including BS you just made up in your brain.
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More than likely to prevent them from uncovering their fraud and their financial gain coming from allowing the fraud. But excuse 1 and not the other.
They should follow suit to well-run States like Florida. If agitators involve themselves in ICE operations Florida police, then arrest agitators that do more than protest.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
So states and cities should use the money meant for and paid to operate local law enforcement to help supplement a federal agency with a $10.042 billion dollar budget. And then people wonder why we can't have anything nice.
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So states and cities should use the money meant for and paid to operate local law enforcement to help supplement a federal agency with a $10.042 billion dollar budget. And then people wonder why we can't have anything nice.
ICE should be focused on illegal immigrants and other criminals not stupid agitators obstructing justice. The local law enforcement should be handling these agitators that go beyond standing off to the side and holding signs and chanting stupid chants. If local law enforcement would have handled the Good's car blocking traffic and obstructing ICE then just maybe the shooting does not happen. There should be a concerted effort to remove all the agitators across the Country.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
Then let trump pay them to do his job for him. But passing the buck and making others pay for his folly seems to be what he does best. You want help? Pay for the manpower and time.
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Then let trump pay them to do his job for him. But passing the buck and making others pay for his folly seems to be what he does best. You want help? Pay for the manpower and time.
Remove the dreads of society from obstructing officers. What does that have to do with Trump. ICE has a job to do and important job and it must be done. It just upsets your Dem elected officials that are getting rich off our tax dollars using these immigrants. They get rich and our streets get less safe. But you keep supporting the dreads of society.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
Local and state governments can't print money like the federal government does. If they want help enforcing what fereal tax dollars pay ICE to do, pay them for helping ICE.
You think these taxpayers should pay for funding ICE, just like you and I do once with their federal tax dollars. And then help pay for ICE again by helping enforce immigration laws a second time. That makes no sense.
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It just upsets your Dem elected officials that are getting rich off our tax dollars using these immigrants. They get rich and our streets get less safe.
The crime rate has been going down every single year since the Biden administration began in cities across America. You sound like a crazy man.
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But you keep supporting the dreads of society.
We were told they would be going after "the worse of the worst". I'm all for that. Once again you have resorted to a childish, right wing extremist rant that makes no sense. Same as it ever was.
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The agent taken to the hospital after the incident suffered internal bleeding to his torso. That is what happens when you disobey officers' orders and use your car as a weapon. The severity of those injuries prove that his actions were justified. No officer should ever not have the ability to defend their selves.
You wanna tell that to the Capital Police after Jan 6, 2021.....
#GMSTRONG
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
oh oh I know mister Kotter! They didnt terrorize and murder American citizens.
As usual, you know nothing but what you think you know. Which is, well, you know... nothing. Try harder next time, Horshack.
The Obama administration oversaw record-high deportations, peaking at over 400,000 annually, with critics highlighting stories of aggressive enforcement tactics that instilled fear in immigrant communities. Reports documented cases of wrongful deportations, coercion by officers, and returns to danger despite asylum claims or U.S. family ties. Personal Stories of Harm Nydia, a transgender asylum grantee from Mexico, was repeatedly deported despite her status; after return, she endured gang attacks, rape, and cartel kidnapping as a sex slave before finally gaining permanent residency. Braulia A., a long-term U.S. resident and mother of U.S. citizen children, was deported after pleading about gang threats in Guatemala; her son was murdered there, and she was later raped and shot but survived to win her case. Raids and Community Fear In 2016, ICE conducted armed home raids targeting Central American families fleeing violence, leading to separations and widespread terror; parents kept children home from school, and communities avoided work out of fear. Critics like the AFL-CIO called these actions a due process erosion, with heavy police presence for non-criminal families.
Risks After Deportation Hondurans like Angel Diaz and José Marvin Martínez were deported and murdered shortly after return, amid policies sending 100,000 Central Americans back to high-violence areas despite known dangers of murder, rape, and torture. Human Rights Watch noted Border Patrol abuses, including excessive force, poor detention conditions, and denial of asylum processes.
oh oh I know mister Kotter! They didnt terrorize and murder American citizens.
As usual, you know nothing but what you think you know. Which is, well, you know... nothing. Try harder next time, Horshack.
The Obama administration oversaw record-high deportations, peaking at over 400,000 annually, with critics highlighting stories of aggressive enforcement tactics that instilled fear in immigrant communities. Reports documented cases of wrongful deportations, coercion by officers, and returns to danger despite asylum claims or U.S. family ties. Personal Stories of Harm Nydia, a transgender asylum grantee from Mexico, was repeatedly deported despite her status; after return, she endured gang attacks, rape, and cartel kidnapping as a sex slave before finally gaining permanent residency. Braulia A., a long-term U.S. resident and mother of U.S. citizen children, was deported after pleading about gang threats in Guatemala; her son was murdered there, and she was later raped and shot but survived to win her case. Raids and Community Fear In 2016, ICE conducted armed home raids targeting Central American families fleeing violence, leading to separations and widespread terror; parents kept children home from school, and communities avoided work out of fear. Critics like the AFL-CIO called these actions a due process erosion, with heavy police presence for non-criminal families.
Risks After Deportation Hondurans like Angel Diaz and José Marvin Martínez were deported and murdered shortly after return, amid policies sending 100,000 Central Americans back to high-violence areas despite known dangers of murder, rape, and torture. Human Rights Watch noted Border Patrol abuses, including excessive force, poor detention conditions, and denial of asylum processes.
Claiming that the situation with ICE is akin to anything under the Obama administration ... that would be untrue and not factual.
I mean leaving behind the masked, unidentified "agents" marauding the streets - just focusing on some numbers:
During the Obama administration, 56 individuals died while in U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody between January 2009 and January 2017. In 2025 alone - 32 individuals died while in ICE custody.
I can't find any reference to any US citizens being shot by ICE during Obama's administration.
Obama deported large numbers of illegal immigrants - I am certain there are lots of cases of abuse, errors, misidentifications. At 400,000 deportation in one year -- a 0.1% human error rate generates 400 instances in the peak year. Using those examples to try and draw a parallel to what we are seeing today is willful ignorance or MAGA Fanboy extremism.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
Just for some more context and nuance ... I saw this statement online:
"The Obama administration created immigration enforcement priorities to channel limited resources towards individuals it deemed to be high priorities, including threats to national security, threats to public safety, and recent illegal entrants. Departing from this approach, the Trump administration sought to consider all undocumented immigrants high priorities for removal, expanding the categories so broadly as to render the priorities meaningless."
I then asked AI to see if it was possible to verify the accuracy of the statement with fact based observations - there was a long answer but a summary:
Why the Statement is Accurate: "Channel limited resources towards individuals it deemed high priorities" – This is the explicit language and intent of the Obama-era memos.
"Threats to national security, threats to public safety, and recent illegal entrants" – These are the exact categories listed in the 2011 and 2014 memos.
"Sought to consider all undocumented immigrants high priorities" – This is the clear directive of E.O. 13768 and the Kelly memo.
"Expanding the categories so broadly as to render the priorities meaningless" – This is an analytical conclusion supported by immigration experts and data showing enforcement actions against individuals with no criminal record spiked under the Trump administration, confirming the practical effect of the policy change.
Recommended Sources for Further Verification: Migration Policy Institute (MPI): Non-partisan think tank with detailed analyses of both administrations' enforcement policies.
American Immigration Council: Another reputable non-profit with fact sheets on enforcement.
Pew Research Center: For data on enforcement actions and demographics under both presidents.
So - yeah - drawing a comparison between ICE under Trump and the fear/death they have brought versus 8 years of Obama administration is a complete red herring - but one I am sure goes around the right wing echo chambers to the point people believe it.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
Under Obama, ICE conducted large-scale home raids and detention operations that advocates, lawmakers, and researchers say led to traumatic family separations, especially among Central American mothers and children. These actions included pre-dawn home arrests, targeting of families with prior removal orders, and detention practices that split asylum-seeking relatives into different facilities. 2016 Family Deportation Raids In January 2016, DHS confirmed a nationwide operation arresting at least 121 Central American mothers and children in states like Georgia, Texas, and North Carolina to quickly deport them. Officials framed this as enforcing removal orders, but immigrant-rights groups called it inhumane and politically motivated. Latino civil rights groups described the raids as “aggressive and harmful enforcement actions” against refugees fleeing violence and poverty, urging Obama to halt them. Home Raids and Community Fear The National Immigration Law Center warned that planned “military-style raids” on Central American mothers and children would “send waves of fear” through immigrant neighborhoods, disrupting schools, workplaces, and civic life. Families reportedly kept children home from school and avoided public spaces due to fear of being picked up. The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights noted concerns that such ICE raids against Central American refugees undermined due process, especially for people without legal counsel. Detention-Driven Separations A report on asylum-seeking families found that DHS custody decisions routinely split relatives, sending parents and children to different detention centers without adequate tracking or reunification systems. This separation made it harder for families to pursue protection claims and caused serious emotional harm. DHS opened large family detention centers for mothers and children; although it had authority to use alternatives, critics said detention was used in ways that fractured families and pressured people to abandon asylum claims. “Lost in Detention” and Individual Cases The PBS “Lost in Detention” investigation documented how programs like Secure Communities led to local arrests (often for minor offenses), transfer to ICE custody, and deportations that split U.S.-citizen children from noncitizen parents. One profiled family in Illinois saw a mother deported after a speeding stop, leaving behind her husband and five American-born children. Advisers to Illinois’ governor described Secure Communities as causing “collateral damage,” including mothers and fathers separated from their children and rising distrust of police in immigrant communities. Labor and Civil Rights Criticism The AFL-CIO criticized the administration’s “crackdown” on immigrants for ignoring due process and failing to treat Central Americans as refugees, warning that deporting families back to violent conditions put them at risk. National Hispanic organizations said the raids “tear at the fabric” of Latino communities by increasing fear and instability in families and demanded an immediate end to the operations.
No, I don't see how covering up evidence in a ICE involved shooting works.
You sure go fast and furious with the fairy tale b.s. lol
What a joke!
None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
Who's covering up evidence in the ICE involved shooting then??
So you don't know they refuse to share the evidence with any state or local law enforcement? Would say "hiding the evidence" suit your semantics better?
What we have is an appointee of the trump administration who runs the FBI claiming to have looked at all of the evidence involving the actions of an agency ran by another trump administration appointee and quickly deciding there's no reason to investigate a shooting by an agency headed by that appointee of the trump administration. And you don't see an issue with that? You don't see there's zero checks and balances there? That this is the total opposite of any type of transparency?
What they are doing is saying you will accept whatever we say and you can't look at the evidence to show it is any different than what we say it is.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
No, I don't see how covering up evidence in a ICE involved shooting works.
You sure go fast and furious with the fairy tale b.s. lol
What a joke!
None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
Who's covering up evidence in the ICE involved shooting then??
So you don't know they refuse to share the evidence with any state or local law enforcement? Would say "hiding the evidence" suit your semantics better?
What we have is an appointee of the trump administration who runs the FBI claiming to have looked at all of the evidence involving the actions of an agency ran by another trump administration appointee and quickly deciding there's no reason to investigate a shooting by an agency headed by that appointee of the trump administration. And you don't see an issue with that? You don't see there's zero checks and balances there? That this is the total opposite of any type of transparency?
What they are doing is saying you will accept whatever we say and you can't look at the evidence to show it is any different than what we say it is.
That is an assumption on your part and not actual truth that evidence is being covered up. The truth is evidence is not being shared and quite frankly they do not have to share evidence.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
If there is nothing being covered up why are they not willing to share it? Why do they want to purposefully give the appearance they are hiding something if they're not? I knew you would be okay with this because it makes sure nobody has the evidence to question their conclusion.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
If there is nothing being covered up why are they not willing to share it? Why do they want to purposefully give the appearance they are hiding something if they're not? I knew you would be okay with this because it makes sure nobody has the evidence to question their conclusion.
Again, the State and Local officials have not played ball with them in anyway shape or form. Why should they then in turn accommodate them? Bottomline, is they do not have to and won't.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
A woman was shot and killed. Is that your definition of "playing ball"?
Once again, if trump needs local law enforcement to protect ICE, let him pay them for it. Local law enforcement has neither the funds nor resources to do the job they're funded to do and hold ICE's hand. They would have to take officers off their beats protecting their own citizens to take on helping ICE. None of this is difficult.
Let me explain what it is you're really saying here. "Why doesn't local law enforcement take the money and manpower they have been allocated to do their local police work and dedicate that to a federal law agency with a 10 billion dollar plus budget?"
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A woman was shot and killed. Is that your definition of "playing ball"?
Once again, if trump needs local law enforcement to protect ICE, let him pay them for it. Local law enforcement has neither the funds nor resources to do the job they're funded to do and hold ICE's hand. they would have to tgake officers off their beats protecting their own citizens to take on helping ICE. None of this is difficult.
Let me explain what it is you're really saying here. "Why doesn't local law enforcement take the money and manpower they have been allocated to do their local police work and dedicate that to a federal law agency with a 10 billion dollar plus budget?"
One piece of garbage domestic terrorist gets killed and you want to bring Trump into this. Trump had nothing to do with this. ICE was performing their duty and this piece of trash interjected herself into the fray and used her vehicle as a weapon and paid the price. If the state and local officials were there to control the garbage the officer would not have had to protect himself. What I see now if manufactured outrage to support activist's agenda on their cause.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
You still refuse to explain how local law enforcement is supposed to pay for that. You totally ignored that entire post and its content to once again go on a tangent. I'm talking about how local law enforcement has a limited budget to protect its own people much less hold ICE's hand.
These tactics are implemented and carried out by trump and his appointees. I'm sure you would love to leave him out of it though. So if ICE needs the help of local law enforcement, let them pay the cost of it.
Her vehicle was certainly not being used as a weapon when that agent took the second and third shots.
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You still refuse to explain how local law enforcement is supposed to pay for that. You totally ignored that entire post and its content to once again go on a tangent. I'm talking about how local law enforcement has a limited budget to protect its own people much less hold ICE's hand.
These tactics are implemented and carried out by trump and his appointees. I'm sure you would love to leave him out of it though. So if ICE needs the help of local law enforcement, let them pay the cost of it.
Her vehicle was certainly not being used as a weapon when that agent took the second and third shots.
It is local citizens causing the commotion inside of the local communities. ICE should be able to do their jobs without interference I agree.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
If there is nothing being covered up why are they not willing to share it? Why do they want to purposefully give the appearance they are hiding something if they're not? I knew you would be okay with this because it makes sure nobody has the evidence to question their conclusion.
So the person that runs around screaming for "evidence!!" says that his own assumption counts as evidence.
Why is this not surprising to anyone?
Because it's every day Every argument Every thread Nearly every post...
The evidence is they refuse to let anyone else see it. Everything people do or don't do has some motivation or reasoning behind it. My question then becomes what is their motivation or reasoning for that? A question mark indicates something is a question. A question is not a form of stating an assumption.
You're welcome.
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For the record, none of the agents were masking up like this until the useful idiot paid protestors started doxxing the agents and threatening/harassing their families.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Do you mean like judges, senators, congeessman and people in politics from state, federal and local governments including prosecutors on both sides of the political spectrum are on a regular basis?
The useful idiots paid protestors?
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For the record, none of the agents were masking up like this until the useful idiot paid protestors started doxxing the agents and threatening/harassing their families.
Yup.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
