Damn. And we had it on good word from our resident expert that this dude was not an "agitator". I wonder, after this incident of spitting, kicking the taillight out of their vehicle and resisting officers in the altercation; if that's when he decided he should be strapped?
What a shame. He seemed like such a nice guy. What fuels people to this level of stupidity?
No one is excusing your judge/jury/executioner definition of murder.
Just showing that this is instance #5674 of the media painting a picture of someone that isn't exactly accurate.
He was depicted as an "observer", you yourself said he wasn't an "agitator". Same as Goode "just dropping her kid off".
Does that look like a peaceful observer? Simple yes or no answer; no need for any "you see"s or in-depth lectures?
Next question... how many times can one expect to get into physical altercation, of one's own provocation, with law enforcement, with a loaded weapon, before something bad happens one way or the other?
He's gone from peaceful ICU nurse to Darwin Award winner. Plain and simple.
I still don't condone his death no matter how many times you and yours scream like a toddler that any examination of the FACTS in this case mean someone is excusing murder.
Overlooking all of your bluster, can you please tell me how all of your "but he's an agitator" has anything to do with his murder? And can you explain to me how killing a man AFTER he was disarmed isn't murder? I know you keep searching for reasons to justify these actions but you are still shooting blanks.
Please qoute where I said this.....
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you yourself said he wasn't an "agitator"
I said at the time of the incident he stepped in to help protect the woman that ICE had pushed to the ground and was still coming after. I said he did not agitate the incident. You see, I'm not trying to look back a week, two weeks or even ten minutes earlier. I'm looking at what happened in the videos. What happened and led up to this killing. But then those who wish to muddy the waters have no intention or desire to do that.
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American citizen briefly detained and released. Even the police aren't allowed to pull you over this way unless you are the suspect of a violent felony.
American citizen briefly detained and released. Even the police aren't allowed to pull you over this way unless you are the suspect of a violent felony.
When the fanboys justify the execution/murder of Alex Pretti because he kicked the tailgate of a car .... you think they care about the liberties of these US Citizens - guns drawn and pulled over for videoing people/agents in public?
You would think this sort of Police State tactic by ICE would have voters up in arms more than a journalist covering a story about a protest that interrupted a church service ... but no. Instead we get crickets, fake news and fake 'gotcha' moments from Randos ... sprinkled with some really whacked out crazy extremists who then get labeled as "This is all Dems".
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Bomb Threat Cleared In Detained 5-Year-Old's Minnesota School District
Local police cleared bomb threats in the Minneapolis-area school district where 5-year-old Liam Conejo Ramos was detained by federal agents, and said students here are good to return to class on Tuesday.
“No suspicious packages or devices were located,” the Columbia Heights police department said in a statement. “The police department is working with other law enforcement agencies to continue the investigation into the source of the threats.”
Earlier Monday, staff from multiple Columbia Heights Public Schools received emailed bomb threats. School officials canceled classes for the day as local police investigated.
The threats came a day after Ramos and his father returned home after being inexplicably held in a Texas Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility. The pre-schooler's detention drew international attention, in part because the image of Ramos being held by ICE agents was devastating, and in part because his father is in the country legally and has no criminal record.
Ramos may be home, but three other kids from his school are still locked up in the same Texas ICE facility he just left. Two other students from his school district are being held in the Texas detention center, too, as ICE continues terrorizing brown and Black families in this Minneapolis suburb.
“Columbia Heights Public Schools is so happy that Liam and his father have returned home to be reunified with his mother, brother and our community,” the school district said in a statement.
“Liam's release is an important development, and we hope it will lead to positive developments for other families as well, including our other four students who are being held at the Dilley facility in Texas," the statement reads. "We want all children to be released from detention centers and hope for the reunification of families who have been unjustly separated.”
The two federal immigration agents who fired on Minneapolis protester Alex Pretti are identified in government records as Border Patrol agent Jesus Ochoa and Customs and Border Protection officer Raymundo Gutierrez.
The two federal immigration agents who fired on Minneapolis protester Alex Pretti are identified in government records as Border Patrol agent Jesus Ochoa and Customs and Border Protection officer Raymundo Gutierrez.
The records viewed by ProPublica list Ochoa, 43, and Gutierrez, 35, as the shooters during the deadly encounter last weekend that left Pretti dead and ignited massive protests and calls for criminal investigations.
Both men were assigned to Operation Metro Surge, an immigration enforcement dragnet launched in December that sent scores of armed and masked agents across the city.
CBP, which employs both men, has so far refused to release their names and has disclosed few other facts about the deadly incident, which came days after a different immigration agent shot and killed another Minneapolis protester, a 37-year-old mother of three named Renee Good.
Pretti’s killing, and the subsequent secrecy surrounding the agents involved, comes as the country confronts the consequences of President Donald Trump’s aggressive immigration crackdown. The sweeps in cities across the country have been marked by scenes of violence, against immigrants and U.S. citizens, by agents allowed to hide their identities with masks — an almost unheard of practice in law enforcement. As a result, the public has been kept from one of the chief ways it has to hold officers involved in such altercations accountable: their identity.
Both Democratic and Republican lawmakers have called for a transparent investigation into the killing of Pretti, a 37-year-old intensive care unit nurse working at a Department of Veterans Affairs hospital.
“We must have a transparent, independent investigation into the Minnesota shooting, and those responsible—no matter their title—must be held accountable,” Republican Sen. John Curtis of Utah wrote on X on Monday.
The agency sent a notice to some members of Congress on Tuesday acknowledging that two agents fired Glock pistols during the altercation that left Pretti dead. That notice does not include the agents’ names. A spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees CBP, said the agents had been placed on leave after the Jan. 24 shooting. And after a week of protests and calls from lawmakers for a review, the Justice Department said Friday that its Civil Rights Division is investigating the shooting. A DOJ spokesperson did not answer questions, including whether DHS has shared materials, such as body-camera footage, with its investigators.
Ochoa is a Border Patrol agent who joined CBP in 2018. Gutierrez joined in 2014 and works for CBP’s Office of Field Operations. He is assigned to a special response team, which conducts high-risk operations like those of police SWAT units. Records show both men are from South Texas.
In the aftermath of the shooting, Gregory Bovino, who has orchestrated high-intensity immigration sweeps and arrests in a string of Democratic-led cities since early 2025, was removed from his role as Border Patrol commander at large and reassigned to his former post in El Centro, California.
A spokesperson for DHS declined to answer questions about the two agents and referred ProPublica to the FBI. The FBI declined to comment. ProPublica made several attempts to call Ochoa and Gutierrez but neither answered.
Ochoa, who goes by Jesse, graduated from the University of Texas-Pan American with a degree in criminal justice, according to his ex-wife, Angelica Ochoa. A longtime resident of the Rio Grande Valley, Ochoa had for years dreamed of working for the Border Patrol and finally landed a job there, she said. By the time the couple split in 2021, he had become a gun enthusiast with about 25 rifles, pistols and shotguns, Angelica Ochoa said.
DHS’ disclosure to Congress was drawn from an internal review of the agents’ body-camera footage, which has not been released to the public. State investigators, meanwhile, have accused their federal counterparts of blocking them from investigating the shooting.
“We don’t have any information on the shooters,” a Minneapolis city spokesperson said. A spokesperson for Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz said Tuesday that his office also had “not been given the names, and we don’t have any new information on the investigation.”
Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee, in a letter to Attorney General Pam Bondi Monday, accused the Justice Department of covering up evidence in both Pretti’s and Good’s killings.
“DOJ has also blocked prosecutors and agents from cooperating with state law enforcement officials and prevented state officials from accessing evidence,” the letter said.
Maryland Rep. Jamie Raskin, the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, told CNN on Sunday that immigration agents should not be masked.
“They should not be anonymous. They should be identifiable. And they have to have rules of engagement that don’t allow them to terrorize and intimidate, harass and assault U.S. citizens and other people,” he said.
The notice to Congress said that the shooting happened when Pretti resisted arrest after officers were unable to get him and a female protester out of the street.
The CBP officer “attempted to move the woman and Pretti out of the roadway. The woman and Pretti did not move,” the report reads. “CBP personnel attempted to take Pretti into custody. Pretti resisted CBP personnel’s efforts and a struggle ensued.”
According to the report, one agent then yelled “He’s got a gun!” multiple times, and two others “discharged” their Glock pistols.
In videos widely shared online, Pretti can be seen holding up a phone, documenting the movements of federal agents and officers as they roamed the streets of a popular food and arts district. According to news reports, Pretti was concerned about the increasingly volatile siege of the city by federal agents.
In the videos, a masked agent appears to knock a woman to the ground. Pretti comes to her aid, getting between them, at which point the officer deploys pepper spray at his face. Two agents then grab Pretti and pull him to the ground, while more federal personnel pile on. During the struggle, the agents unleash a series of shots — approximately 10 — as onlookers scream.
Pretti was armed at the time of the encounter with a legally owned handgun, according to state and federal officials. Some analyses of bystander video appear to show a federal agent taking Pretti’s gun from his hip before the first shots were fired. The agents’ masks and the chaos of the altercation make it difficult to differentiate one from another.
Those videos appear to contradict the claims by Bovino and other officials, including DHS Secretary Kristi Noem, that Pretti had come to attack agents.
“The agents attempted to disarm the individual, but he violently resisted,” Bovino said in a Jan. 25 news conference. “Fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, a Border Patrol agent fired defensive shots.”
In the initial aftermath, Stephen Miller, a top Trump aide and a leading force behind the immigration enforcement operations, called Pretti “a would-be assassin.” But Miller changed tack later in the week when he said in a statement that CBP officers “may not have been following” protocol related to confronting bystanders.
Additional video has surfaced showing Pretti in another altercation with federal agents 11 days before he was killed. The video shows Pretti yelling at the agents, who get in an SUV and start to drive away. Pretti then kicks out the taillight of the vehicle and the agents, who wore protective masks, jump out and tackle him to the ground.
It is unclear if any of the same agents were involved in both incidents.
Lauren Bonds, executive director of the National Police Accountability Project, said that many local and state police departments are “much more transparent” than CBP when officers shoot people. “More and more police departments are choosing to release bodycam footage or dashcam footage within a couple of days.”
Gil Kerlikowske, a former CBP commissioner, told ProPublica that it’s difficult to draw conclusions from the chaos in bystander videos. Still, he said, the shooting might have been prevented. Pretti’s attempt to help the woman knocked to the ground could have been seen as interfering with federal law enforcement, he said. But the decision by the officers to immediately use pepper spray created a chaotic scene that likely contributed to Pretti’s death.
“The other agent could have said ‘don’t interfere’ or ‘stand back,’” Kerlikowske said. “Rather than move immediately to pepper spray, you can arrest the person.” It’s part of a pattern, he said, of federal officers jumping straight to use of force in situations that could have been de-escalated but instead create danger for both agents and their targets.
Pretti’s death, and the federal government’s characterization of the event, sparked immediate protests, spurring thousands of people to go out into frigid conditions in Minneapolis and other American cities. The shooting has also drawn intense criticism from political leaders, including Walz, who has promised his state’s law enforcement will conduct its own criminal investigation.
I bet there are tribes all over the US that could lay claim to the exact same thing ... if a tribe laid claim to the White House, or Mar a Largo, or another home or building of a renowned Republican ... you and Trump would laugh like hell. Then Trump would probablyu post some extremely offensive racist memes in the middle of the night .... and then there would be crickets.
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If your claim of her being an idiot is a gotchya moment why would that same thing not apply to you? Nobody got you a mirror for Christmas did they? I'm sure a lot of people identified that as well.
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If your claim of her being an idiot is a gotchya moment why would that same thing not apply to you? Nobody got you a mirror for Christmas did they? I'm sure a lot of people identified that as well.
Why would I be an idiot? I do not live on stolen land; I live on land our forefathers conquered and created the greatest nation that ever existed. I also believe that people that enter this country illegally are illegal. I don't live in a gated house and make stupid statements and make myself a hypocrite like she did.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
At the 2026 Grammys, Billie Eilish won Song of the Year for "Wildflower," delivering a politically charged speech condemning ICE and advocating for immigrant rights. She stated, "No one is illegal on stolen land," and urged, "We need to keep fighting and speaking up and protesting."
The plain meaning is that the Europeans stole the land known as the United States from the Native Americans.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!…. That did not age well.
You're pretend Christianity more than makes up for it. If you go into your neighbors home, kill them and take it for your own did you conquer them?
The Indians were a bunch of savages that worshipped other gods so just like God instructed the Jewish people to take the land from all of the ites and Joshua did just that. By the way Joshua is pronounced in the Jewish laanguage the same as Jesus our forefathers took this land. They conquered it. I am glad they did. They created the greatest country in the history of the world after doing so.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
God said nothing about Europeans stealing this nation from Native Americans and slaughtering them. And just because their religion doesn't align with your own is no excuse to slaughter them. Stop trying t use God as an excuse to commit genocide. People who follow the teachings of Christ would never do that. You know, the New Testament. Christs teaching to the Christians.
So if you go and steal your neighbors property and kill them you conquered them? If you look at what the Europeans did to Native Americans it's obvious to see that they were the savages and not the Native Americans.
You are one sick individual.
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I have to laugh and I have to disagree, remember what the Crusades were?... Europeans under the sanction of religion trying to retake disputed land. Except in the case of American expansion the land was not even disputed, it was just taken.
God is a common excuse to commit genocide. No matter what the teaching of Christ or the Bible says.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!…. That did not age well.
At the 2026 Grammys, Billie Eilish won Song of the Year for "Wildflower," delivering a politically charged speech condemning ICE and advocating for immigrant rights. She stated, "No one is illegal on stolen land," and urged, "We need to keep fighting and speaking up and protesting."
The plain meaning is that the Europeans stole the land known as the United States from the Native Americans.
this is why it's funny. she is calling it stolen land in a gated home with guards and the tribe called her out...
God said nothing about Europeans stealing this nation from Native Americans and slaughtering them. And just because their religion doesn't align with your own is no excuse to slaughter them. Stop trying t use God as an excuse to commit genocide. People who follow the teachings of Christ would never do that. You know, the New Testament. Christs teaching to the Christians.
So if you go and steal your neighbors property and kill them you conquered them? If you look at what the Europeans did to Native Americans it's obvious to see that they were the savages and not the Native Americans.
You are one sick individual.
Boo Hoo Hoo!!! Cry me some more fake liberal tears while you enjoy the luxury of the greatest nation in the history of the world!!!
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
I have to laugh and I have to disagree, remember what the Crusades were?... Europeans under the sanction of religion trying to retake disputed land. Except in the case of American expansion the land was not even disputed, it was just taken.
God is a common excuse to commit genocide. No matter what the teaching of Christ or the Bible says.
Which is exactly the same thing they did here. Claiming the senseless slaughter and stealing the land from Native Americans was somehow ordained by God...........
Manifest Destiny, coined sometime before 1820, is the idea that the United States is destined—by God, its advocates believed—to expand its dominion and spread democracy and capitalism across the entire North American continent. The philosophy drove 19th-century U.S. territorial expansion and was used to justify the forced removal of Native Americans and other groups from their homes. The rapid expansion of the United States intensified the issue of slavery as new states were added to the Union, leading to the outbreak of the Civil War.
As you can see by some of the replies on this very board they lie about it, claim that's not what happened and think claiming that somehow by calling it "conquered", it changes the facts of what actually happened.
No wonder they don't want our children taught the truth in their history classes at school.
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You keep speaking about the end result. I keep reminding you of all the horrible things they did in the name of God to get there. I know the truth is not within you so I expect no less. I'll ask you this yet again................
If you need more houses and ground for your family as your children become grown and you decide that killing your neighbors and taking over their homes and land is the best way to accomplish that, does that mean you "conquered them"? Does that make you the "winner"? Does that mean since you won you deserve the spoils?
It sounds a little different when somebody puts it that way doesn't it? But I guess since it was white men doing it to another race that makes it perfectly acceptable to you.
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You keep speaking about the end result. I keep reminding you of all the horrible things they did in the name of God to get there. I know the truth is not within you so I expect no less. I'll ask you this yet again................
If you need more houses and ground for your family as your children become grown and you decide that killing your neighbors and taking over their homes and land is the best way to accomplish that, does that mean you "conquered them"? Does that make you the "winner"? Does that mean since you won you deserve the spoils?
It sounds a little different when somebody puts it that way doesn't it? But I guess since it was white men doing it to another race that makes it perfectly acceptable to you.
There you go when your argument goes south and you have nothing else to claim just blame race. In the history of the world all land and that means every square inch of the world was conquered. The United States is not an exception to that rule. That is why we have a military to protect our land. Just like we own guns and have police to protect our persons, homes, and property. The United States of America is the greatest country in the history of the world. It even allows morons to spout stupid ideas like socialism and give up the only freedoms man has ever known in the history of the world. In the USA if you own a home, you are in the top 5% of the richest people in the world. Yet morons want to give up the American dream for what they call fairness. There is nothing fair in socialism. It is giving your freedom to an elitist, and you become a peasant. Those morons need to get off their butt and work. Make something of themselves. The middle class is only attainable in a Capitalistic country. Now back to the original topic; The Indians fought wars and conquered each other's lands for centuries before the Europeans entered the scene. That "stealing of each other's lands had nothing to do with race. It was about conquering and processing for their tribes. Then they were defeated by a superior military force and lost their land, and a new owner of that land took possession. Then that owner was defeated by their own people who formed their own country. One nation under God with individual rights for all. Conquering land here was just like every country in the world that came into existence. Until they were conquered. It happened long time before you were born. get over it!!!
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
Once again you talk about the end results. "It was conquered". What actions were taken to conquer it? Genocide and the stealing of their land.
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It even allows morons to spout stupid ideas
It most certainly does because here you are.
You have given your very own soul to support trump. Sold out your values and your belief system.
He's a billionaire who was born rich and never wanted for anything in his life. Then you say this.....
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It is giving your freedom to an elitist
You are so blind you can't see that's exactly what you're doing.
If you need more houses and ground for your family as your children become grown and you decide that killing your neighbors and taking over their homes and land is the best way to accomplish that, does that mean you "conquered them"? Does that make you the "winner"? Does that mean since you won you deserve the spoils?]
You keep avoiding this like the plague and I can't say I blame you.
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Once again you talk about the end results. "It was conquered". What actions were taken to conquer it? Genocide and the stealing of their land.
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It even allows morons to spout stupid ideas
It most certainly does because here you are.
You have given your very own soul to support trump. Sold out your values and your belief system.
He's a billionaire who was born rich and never wanted for anything in his life. Then you say this.....
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It is giving your freedom to an elitist
You are so blind you can't see that's exactly what you're doing.
If you need more houses and ground for your family as your children become grown and you decide that killing your neighbors and taking over their homes and land is the best way to accomplish that, does that mean you "conquered them"? Does that make you the "winner"? Does that mean since you won you deserve the spoils?]
You keep avoiding this like the plague and I can't say I blame you.
I think you are confusing me with someone who wants socialism. As far as calling conquering genocide. That is not the case. It is called a war. The Europeans won that war against the Indians. Then our forefathers won the war vs those same Europeans.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
War? Is that what you are calling invaders taking over a continent through the use of genocide? You must have missed it. The British weren't taking over the entire continent. It was our forefathers that invaded and stole the continent for Native Americans not the British. Where did you learn your history from?
And after we slaughtered them, herded them like cattle and forced them onto reservations, we stole their children from them, placed them in what we called Indian boarding schools......
US INDIAN BOARDING SCHOOL HISTORY
The truth about the U.S. Indian boarding school policy has largely been written out of the history books. There were more than 526 government-funded, and often church-run, Indian Boarding schools across the U.S. in the 19th and 20th centuries. Indian children were forcibly abducted by government agents, sent to schools hundreds of miles away, and beaten, starved, or otherwise abused when they spoke their Native languages.
Intro to Boarding School History
Beginning with the Indian Civilization Act Fund of March 3, 1819 and the Peace Policy of 1869 the United States, in concert with and at the urging of several denominations of the Christian Church, adopted an Indian Boarding School Policy expressly intended to implement cultural genocide through the removal and reprogramming of American Indian and Alaska Native children to accomplish the systematic destruction of Native cultures and communities. The stated purpose of this policy was to “Kill the Indian, Save the Man.”
We must not follow the same Jesus. The one I follow commands me to admit sins that have been committed and repent. Not make excuses and denials for atrocities committed in his name.
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