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I agree! Fields seems like a Monken guy... No on has been able to get much out of him, but Monken has done well with Jackson, so I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do.

Check out the big chunk plays for the Browns last year? Who was QB? That is where he flashed. Gabriel showed absolutely nothing.

I didn't mention Gabriel but okay. Being able to "make plays" doesn't really help when one of your glaring "abilities" is throwing int's.

I did not say he played well. The bar was not set high, but he just showed much more promise than Gabriel. There was a reason the Browns requested Sanders to come back to the facility when Monken arrived and not Gabriel. Even with that said if he did prove he was the future starter you would not hear chatter about Willis possibly being an option. I would not rule out the possibility that the Browns would not take a swing at the Alabama QB Ty Simpson if he fell to #24. Garret Nussmeier is also a name on the rise with scouts. He had a very good senior bowl week and if he performs next week at the combine, he may end up the 3rd 1st round QB this year.

When the best QB on your roster is Sanders or Watson your GM/Coach will explore all options. I think if they explore an option outside of just drafting someone mid rounds they will go after Willis because his acquisition if he did not meet expectations would not prevent the Browns from drafting a QB in 2027 if they were in position to do so. If they spent a 1st this year it begins to get to be a harder conversation to draft another 1st a year later.

I kinda disagree. He has good tape out there. He's no world-beater... but he's done some good things (he had a stretch where he was basically the entirety of the Bears offense). Overall, he hasn't been able to put it together to be a cog in a winning O, but he brings an element that I think Monken would utilize well.

He may not end up as good as Willis, but he's more of a known quantity and I believe he'll be significantly easier to bring here. I'd much rather do that then pay a guy with single-digit starts.

Once again I did not mention Gabriel.

I'm not sold there will be a second 1st round QB this year. I don't think Simpson has shown even close enough to rate him a second rounder, let alone a first rounder. I know QBs tend to be over selected, but if he won't be a starter in 2028, let alone 26-27. First rounders are those that will have a short learning curve... Even though everyone that talks CLE football thinks a 5th rounder should look like a franchise QB after a half of a season.

Maybe that's not it? Maybe they fully understand that NFL history dictates to get a dynamic QB in the fifth round or later is a once in a generation event and the odds dictate that it's almost impossible to draft a 5th round QB that will ever be "the guy.

The one thing Gabriel did better was this .. each guybthrew 7 TD, but Sanders had 10 INT, whereas Gabriel had only 2.

Neither guy is the long term starter IMHO.

I think both guys played like they were Rookies playing behind BAD O-lines, with no WR's to throw too.

Gabriel was such a reach . Overdrafted defined . But he fit what
The sub.500 coach wanted . Under 6'1 . Game manager .
Limited ability to drive the ball past 20 yds downfield accurate checkdown passer
Cant play off script
Sanders at lesst showed he make plays when the play broke down .
Sanders has a better future than Gabriel

My guess is that many things 2025 with this Browns offense will be taken with a skid-load of salt by the new coaches...nothing is to be guaranteed OR discounted. Was "it" the QB? OL? WR? Scheme? Playcalling? All of the above? They will make their own determinations.

I'm guessing they try and trade for J Winston...the other pickings are either too slim...too iffy...or too expensive. If that is so, I think they trade Gabriel.

Berry needs to get real good at what has been his glaring weakness for (6) years and counting.

Honstly if watson got good we couldn't afford to resign him unless he gave us a deal to make up for screwing the browns over so bad. Since that won't happen it's better to let sanders start and see what we have in him. I don't think Sanders is all that great either though because of his slow decision making. I would trade dyloan to atlanta for whatever we can get and then draft Taylen Green. Green is the kind of QB that would excite Monken and who we could nab in the 4th or 5th round. He is big, fast on his feet, and has a rocket arm. he needs to be developed though so let Sanders start this year while Green rides the bench and gets coached.

They have already “blamed” the line and play calling, with many being told they aren’t coming back. Bitonio may be the only returner and that has a lot to do with his cap money if he doesn’t re-sign.

One thing I will guarantee, they aren’t trading for Winston.

The QB position will get addressed in 2017 imho. If they can find anyone to trade down with in this weak draft class, I think they do it for 2017 draft capital.

What is Berry’s glaring weakness?

Why do you want to “fix” the QB room by replacing the 3rd and 5th round QBs with a 4th/5th round QB? We have plenty of developmental QBs on this team already. Sanders CAN be a running QB if that’s what you want. I don’t see them doing anything worth discussing with the QB room in 2026. Gabriel, if nothing else, proves he is the quintessential backup and will probably be in the league for the next 12 years without starting more than a dozen more games over that long career.

I want either Carnell Tate or a trade down for a 2027 1st or 2nd round pick minimum. It’s going to be tough to find that trade in this weak draft class, but I don’t want to waste a high pick on a right tackle.

I expect Monken's arrival to be something of a "reset" for Watson. I know this is not what people want to hear, but I think this coaching staff and FO has enough on their plate that they are not going to put a guy on the shelf that may be able to help them. I expect TC to be an open competition at QB between Watson and Sanders and someone they bring in. I'm curious what they think about DG but I'm willing to be the official line will be that it's a truly open QB comp.

Well...it must not be glaring to you.

You may be willing to run it back with SS...but AB is on his 10th life and I doubt Monken wants to just roll the SS/DG dice at QB. If there is a mid-rd QB that they rate higher than SS/DG (a fairly low bar to reach) it would be classic AB to NOT pick the guy. Two projects and no viable veteran at QB for two straight years would be soooo AB-style.

Sorry, still confused. Were there some success stories the past 5 years in rounds 3 or later that I don't know about? The only guy that we and everyone except San Fran missed on was Brock Purdy that I'm aware of.

I am not "Willing" to run it back, there simply are no viable options. The only one I would even consider in this draft is Drew Allar, and he is a real stretch that I wouldn't touch before round 4 at the earliest. Every other QB, I don't see being rated higher than Sanders, it's that weak of a class.

The part you are leaving out is the $230M veteran QB that has only played 19 games in 4 years... He is still on this roster.

Which - coupled with and given the failure across the OL, failure at WR - makes you wonder how the F Berry has a job.

Rated by who? The NFL decided that Sanders wasn't rated in the first four rounds and some teams even passed on him in the fifth round. The only people I know that have this years QB's rated are the same people who had Sanders rated in the first or early second round in last years draft. My suggestion would be to take that with a grain of salt. Maybe even two grains of salt.