Along the lines of Malik Willis, I think a better low-cost option would be to watch closely what's going on with Justin Fields. I believe he's under contract for 2026, but there's chatter around them shaking things up in the QB room.
I could be wrong, but my assumption is it would end up costing less to get Fields in here than it would to get Willis.
I agree! Fields seems like a Monken guy... No on has been able to get much out of him, but Monken has done well with Jackson, so I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do.
Check the NFL QB rankings, Gabriel slightly higher than Sanders overall, both are NO good starters. Watson, with all his baggage, is our best QB hands down.....if healthy. We have to pay him, he's best bridge to next years QBs.
Check out the big chunk plays for the Browns last year? Who was QB? That is where he flashed. Gabriel showed absolutely nothing.
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While Sanders has shown a great ability to throw more int's than td's. But I agree that neither one are the answer at QB.
Sanders did not play well at QB. But he flashed some ability to make a play. Gabriel showed nothing. Neither QB proved they were the answer. Sanders just showed with some work he has some ability. How much TBD.
I didn't mention Gabriel but okay. Being able to "make plays" doesn't really help when one of your glaring "abilities" is throwing int's.
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While Sanders has shown a great ability to throw more int's than td's. But I agree that neither one are the answer at QB.
Sanders did not play well at QB. But he flashed some ability to make a play. Gabriel showed nothing. Neither QB proved they were the answer. Sanders just showed with some work he has some ability. How much TBD.
I didn't mention Gabriel but okay. Being able to "make plays" doesn't really help when one of your glaring "abilities" is throwing int's.
I did not say he played well. The bar was not set high, but he just showed much more promise than Gabriel. There was a reason the Browns requested Sanders to come back to the facility when Monken arrived and not Gabriel. Even with that said if he did prove he was the future starter you would not hear chatter about Willis possibly being an option. I would not rule out the possibility that the Browns would not take a swing at the Alabama QB Ty Simpson if he fell to #24. Garret Nussmeier is also a name on the rise with scouts. He had a very good senior bowl week and if he performs next week at the combine, he may end up the 3rd 1st round QB this year.
When the best QB on your roster is Sanders or Watson your GM/Coach will explore all options. I think if they explore an option outside of just drafting someone mid rounds they will go after Willis because his acquisition if he did not meet expectations would not prevent the Browns from drafting a QB in 2027 if they were in position to do so. If they spent a 1st this year it begins to get to be a harder conversation to draft another 1st a year later.
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I kinda disagree. He has good tape out there. He's no world-beater... but he's done some good things (he had a stretch where he was basically the entirety of the Bears offense). Overall, he hasn't been able to put it together to be a cog in a winning O, but he brings an element that I think Monken would utilize well.
He may not end up as good as Willis, but he's more of a known quantity and I believe he'll be significantly easier to bring here. I'd much rather do that then pay a guy with single-digit starts.
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While Sanders has shown a great ability to throw more int's than td's. But I agree that neither one are the answer at QB.
Sanders did not play well at QB. But he flashed some ability to make a play. Gabriel showed nothing. Neither QB proved they were the answer. Sanders just showed with some work he has some ability. How much TBD.
I didn't mention Gabriel but okay. Being able to "make plays" doesn't really help when one of your glaring "abilities" is throwing int's.
I did not say he played well. The bar was not set high, but he just showed much more promise than Gabriel. There was a reason the Browns requested Sanders to come back to the facility when Monken arrived and not Gabriel. Even with that said if he did prove he was the future starter you would not hear chatter about Willis possibly being an option. I would not rule out the possibility that the Browns would not take a swing at the Alabama QB Ty Simpson if he fell to #24. Garret Nussmeier is also a name on the rise with scouts. He had a very good senior bowl week and if he performs next week at the combine, he may end up the 3rd 1st round QB this year.
When the best QB on your roster is Sanders or Watson your GM/Coach will explore all options. I think if they explore an option outside of just drafting someone mid rounds they will go after Willis because his acquisition if he did not meet expectations would not prevent the Browns from drafting a QB in 2027 if they were in position to do so. If they spent a 1st this year it begins to get to be a harder conversation to draft another 1st a year later.
I'm not sold there will be a second 1st round QB this year. I don't think Simpson has shown even close enough to rate him a second rounder, let alone a first rounder. I know QBs tend to be over selected, but if he won't be a starter in 2028, let alone 26-27. First rounders are those that will have a short learning curve... Even though everyone that talks CLE football thinks a 5th rounder should look like a franchise QB after a half of a season.
Maybe that's not it? Maybe they fully understand that NFL history dictates to get a dynamic QB in the fifth round or later is a once in a generation event and the odds dictate that it's almost impossible to draft a 5th round QB that will ever be "the guy.
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The one thing Gabriel did better was this .. each guybthrew 7 TD, but Sanders had 10 INT, whereas Gabriel had only 2.
Neither guy is the long term starter IMHO.
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Gabriel was such a reach . Overdrafted defined . But he fit what The sub.500 coach wanted . Under 6'1 . Game manager . Limited ability to drive the ball past 20 yds downfield accurate checkdown passer Cant play off script Sanders at lesst showed he make plays when the play broke down . Sanders has a better future than Gabriel
My guess is that many things 2025 with this Browns offense will be taken with a skid-load of salt by the new coaches...nothing is to be guaranteed OR discounted. Was "it" the QB? OL? WR? Scheme? Playcalling? All of the above? They will make their own determinations.
I'm guessing they try and trade for J Winston...the other pickings are either too slim...too iffy...or too expensive. If that is so, I think they trade Gabriel.
Berry needs to get real good at what has been his glaring weakness for (6) years and counting.
Honstly if watson got good we couldn't afford to resign him unless he gave us a deal to make up for screwing the browns over so bad. Since that won't happen it's better to let sanders start and see what we have in him. I don't think Sanders is all that great either though because of his slow decision making. I would trade dyloan to atlanta for whatever we can get and then draft Taylen Green. Green is the kind of QB that would excite Monken and who we could nab in the 4th or 5th round. He is big, fast on his feet, and has a rocket arm. he needs to be developed though so let Sanders start this year while Green rides the bench and gets coached.
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My guess is that many things 2025 with this Browns offense will be taken with a skid-load of salt by the new coaches...nothing is to be guaranteed OR discounted. Was "it" the QB? OL? WR? Scheme? Playcalling? All of the above? They will make their own determinations.
I'm guessing they try and trade for J Winston...the other pickings are either too slim...too iffy...or too expensive. If that is so, I think they trade Gabriel.
Berry needs to get real good at what has been his glaring weakness for (6) years and counting.
They have already “blamed” the line and play calling, with many being told they aren’t coming back. Bitonio may be the only returner and that has a lot to do with his cap money if he doesn’t re-sign.
One thing I will guarantee, they aren’t trading for Winston.
The QB position will get addressed in 2017 imho. If they can find anyone to trade down with in this weak draft class, I think they do it for 2017 draft capital.
Honstly if watson got good we couldn't afford to resign him unless he gave us a deal to make up for screwing the browns over so bad. Since that won't happen it's better to let sanders start and see what we have in him. I don't think Sanders is all that great either though because of his slow decision making. I would trade dyloan to atlanta for whatever we can get and then draft Taylen Green. Green is the kind of QB that would excite Monken and who we could nab in the 4th or 5th round. He is big, fast on his feet, and has a rocket arm. he needs to be developed though so let Sanders start this year while Green rides the bench and gets coached.
Why do you want to “fix” the QB room by replacing the 3rd and 5th round QBs with a 4th/5th round QB? We have plenty of developmental QBs on this team already. Sanders CAN be a running QB if that’s what you want. I don’t see them doing anything worth discussing with the QB room in 2026. Gabriel, if nothing else, proves he is the quintessential backup and will probably be in the league for the next 12 years without starting more than a dozen more games over that long career.
I want either Carnell Tate or a trade down for a 2027 1st or 2nd round pick minimum. It’s going to be tough to find that trade in this weak draft class, but I don’t want to waste a high pick on a right tackle.
I expect Monken's arrival to be something of a "reset" for Watson. I know this is not what people want to hear, but I think this coaching staff and FO has enough on their plate that they are not going to put a guy on the shelf that may be able to help them. I expect TC to be an open competition at QB between Watson and Sanders and someone they bring in. I'm curious what they think about DG but I'm willing to be the official line will be that it's a truly open QB comp.
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The QB position will get addressed in 2017 imho. If they can find anyone to trade down with in this weak draft class, I think they do it for 2017 draft capital.
What is Berry’s glaring weakness?
Well...it must not be glaring to you.
You may be willing to run it back with SS...but AB is on his 10th life and I doubt Monken wants to just roll the SS/DG dice at QB. If there is a mid-rd QB that they rate higher than SS/DG (a fairly low bar to reach) it would be classic AB to NOT pick the guy. Two projects and no viable veteran at QB for two straight years would be soooo AB-style.
The QB position will get addressed in 2017 imho. If they can find anyone to trade down with in this weak draft class, I think they do it for 2017 draft capital.
What is Berry’s glaring weakness?
Well...it must not be glaring to you.
You may be willing to run it back with SS...but AB is on his 10th life and I doubt Monken wants to just roll the SS/DG dice at QB. If there is a mid-rd QB that they rate higher than SS/DG (a fairly low bar to reach) it would be classic AB to NOT pick the guy. Two projects and no viable veteran at QB for two straight years would be soooo AB-style.
Sorry, still confused. Were there some success stories the past 5 years in rounds 3 or later that I don't know about? The only guy that we and everyone except San Fran missed on was Brock Purdy that I'm aware of.
I am not "Willing" to run it back, there simply are no viable options. The only one I would even consider in this draft is Drew Allar, and he is a real stretch that I wouldn't touch before round 4 at the earliest. Every other QB, I don't see being rated higher than Sanders, it's that weak of a class.
Every other QB, I don't see being rated higher than Sanders, it's that weak of a class.
Rated by who? The NFL decided that Sanders wasn't rated in the first four rounds and some teams even passed on him in the fifth round. The only people I know that have this years QB's rated are the same people who had Sanders rated in the first or early second round in last years draft. My suggestion would be to take that with a grain of salt. Maybe even two grains of salt.
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Every other QB, I don't see being rated higher than Sanders, it's that weak of a class.
Rated by who? The NFL decided that Sanders wasn't rated in the first four rounds and some teams even passed on him in the fifth round. The only people I know that have this years QB's rated are the same people who had Sanders rated in the first or early second round in last years draft. My suggestion would be to take that with a grain of salt. Maybe even two grains of salt.
Rated by me, I don't know if posts can be searched, but I was one of those that had Sanders rated really low. He hasn't gained much on that rating yet, but this is a historically bad QB class. I currently have Drew Allar as my #2 QB behind Mendoza. That's pretty freaking bad since I wouldn't touch Allar before reaching in the 4th round if I were desperate.
Which - coupled with and given the failure across the OL, failure at WR - makes you wonder how the F Berry has a job.
Failure is a hindsight equation...
This O-Line got old AND there were some failures along the way. He inherited a fairly good O-Line, that was two years removed from having HOF LT Joe Thomas. Still, they had stud Botonio and Wyatt Teller, who was very good in those days.
He totally missed, imho, on Jedrick Wills. That was the first draft of his career. He had never done it before at the age of 33. Strike 1 However, he was PRAISED for Jack Conklin coming in his inaugural season and Conklin lived up to his signing until the injuries began.. This was for the most part a win in Berry's book In 2022, he signed Ethan Pocic who was also a highly rated C until injuries began last year. This was a win In 2023 he drafted Dawand Jones and he stepped in to play really well for Conklin while injured. We thought we found a gem until injuries derailed his career as well. We'll call it a draw, since I don't think we ever reached full potential Enter the 2024-2025 seasons and we have enjoyed multiple different starters in and out of the lineup due to injuries.
Reminder.. Berry only had one 2nd round draft pick and no first round draft picks from 2022-2024
WR room, kind of similar. He came in with a room full of over aged divas. I liked Jarvis Landry, but OBJ was more of a distraction than star while in Cleveland. Finally moved on from OBJ in 2022 when he replaced him with Amari Cooper... APPLAUDED for getting Cooper and he lived up to the hype for the first two years. Major Win for Berry As Cooper declined RAPIDLY, Berry moved on quickly and traded him to the Bills... and Cooper's career was suddenly over. 2024 Berry replaced Cooper with Jerry Jeudy.. Again, applauded as a great move, and frankly, if we can get some help in here I think Jeudy will make a great #2 receiver, he just isn't a #1 and was thrust into the role. This is the major flaw from Berry over his tenure is not giving more around his supposed #1. It's hard to succeed when you are a lone wolf in the receiving room. You need at least two capable wide receivers for anyone to have a major impact.
Enter 2025, he now finally has draft picks again and this draft showed more promise than any I can remember since the return in 1999.
Both Mason Graham and Carson Schwesinger helped make this a top 3 defense in the NFL. Myles Garrett was finally let loose to shine instead of offenses only game plan to keep Myles away from the play.
That would be enough... but, he also brought in Judkins who showed ability despite a poor pathwork of an offensive line. We saw visions of what could be with a line that could give him a few holes to run through per game. He also brought in Fannin, who surprised the NFL finishing as the 6th best TE in the NFL in 2025. Could end up being the steal of the draft. Then of course, if Shedeur Sanders pans out, which I am not sold on, he could go down as one of the best GMs the Browns have ever had.
Where he FAILED was not quitting or getting fired for refusing to sign Desaun Watson. Worst move of his career was an owner decision that he had to live with 2 years into his GM career at the age of 35. His hands have been tied since that fateful date, or at least the day he traded away Baker.
Every other QB, I don't see being rated higher than Sanders, it's that weak of a class.
Rated by who? The NFL decided that Sanders wasn't rated in the first four rounds and some teams even passed on him in the fifth round. The only people I know that have this years QB's rated are the same people who had Sanders rated in the first or early second round in last years draft. My suggestion would be to take that with a grain of salt. Maybe even two grains of salt.
Rated by me, I don't know if posts can be searched, but I was one of those that had Sanders rated really low. He hasn't gained much on that rating yet, but this is a historically bad QB class. I currently have Drew Allar as my #2 QB behind Mendoza. That's pretty freaking bad since I wouldn't touch Allar before reaching in the 4th round if I were desperate.
I certainly admire the fact you research all of this and have a strong belief in the opinions you arrive at. And I'm certainly not questioning the fact you felt Sanders was overrated last year. I had that same opinion.
But to claim that every QB in this years draft after Mendoza is no better than Sanders is what I believe is going a little too far. We were both right about Sanders but as with everyone else I've certainly been wrong a lot on draft picks as well. I'm sure you have been too. But our disagreement on that part of things doesn't change the fact we pretty much agree about everything else in terms of drafting a QB in this years draft.
We already have two projects on the roster at QB. Even if Gabriel is traded it still leaves nothing but a project as a possible long term answer on the roster. Watson is on the last year of his contract and only a fool would re-sign him even if he has one decent year.
And neither of us see any QB beyond Mendoza as anything other then a project. We just disagree on the degree of how big a project a couple of them are. But the last thing we need right now is yet another project thrown into the mix.
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Every other QB, I don't see being rated higher than Sanders, it's that weak of a class.
Rated by who? The NFL decided that Sanders wasn't rated in the first four rounds and some teams even passed on him in the fifth round. The only people I know that have this years QB's rated are the same people who had Sanders rated in the first or early second round in last years draft. My suggestion would be to take that with a grain of salt. Maybe even two grains of salt.
Rated by me, I don't know if posts can be searched, but I was one of those that had Sanders rated really low. He hasn't gained much on that rating yet, but this is a historically bad QB class. I currently have Drew Allar as my #2 QB behind Mendoza. That's pretty freaking bad since I wouldn't touch Allar before reaching in the 4th round if I were desperate.
I certainly admire the fact you research all of this and have a strong belief in the opinions you arrive at. And I'm certainly not questioning the fact you felt Sanders was overrated last year. I had that same opinion.
But to claim that every QB in this years draft after Mendoza is no better than Sanders is what I believe is going a little too far. We were both right about Sanders but as with everyone else I've certainly been wrong a lot on draft picks as well. I'm sure you have been too. But our disagreement on that part of things doesn't change the fact we pretty much agree about everything else in terms of drafting a QB in this years draft.
We already have two projects on the roster at QB. Even if Gabriel is traded it still leaves nothing but a project as a possible long term answer on the roster. Watson is on the last year of his contract and only a fool would re-sign him even if he has one decent year.
And neither of us see any QB beyond Mendoza as anything other then a project. We just disagree on the degree of how big a project a couple of them are. But the last thing we need right now is yet another project thrown into the mix.
Obviously, I've been wrong plenty of times, otherwise, I would have figured out a way to be in a different business. I will say, I didn't even know who Brock Purdy was. He never entered my radar. But.. he was drafted into one of the best situations imaginable. Had he been drafted by the Browns that year, no one outside of Cleveland would still know who he is.
I would have to go back and look, but if memory serves, I had Bo Nix with a second round grade. I was surprised when he went 12th overall. In fact I only had Caleb Williams and Drake Maye with first round grades. We all knew Jayden Daniels was going early in the first round, but I had a second round grade on him also.
So yeah, I definitely miss sometimes, but without patting myself on the back, I am more right than wrong, especially when it comes to QBs... you know what? That is by design. Everyone OVERevaluates QBs every single year. I am just more realistic in my evaluations. So, it isn't that I am right more than everyone else, I just don't get paid to be overly optimistic to sell ads.
It isn't that I am stating with confidence that Sanders will be better than every other QB, I am just confident that none of the others have a more than a 10% chance of being a successful franchise QB, same as I evaluated Sanders last year.
Projects don't pay the bills. I would rather build an impenetrable roster that even Dillon Gabriel could win with as a 3rd string QB when fate deals you a bad hand in any given year for a game or two. So, to spend a 2nd round pick on a project that has a very low chance of developing into a franchise guy, I would rather draft the Scwesinger's of the world.
Now, if there is a true second round grade on a QB, I have no problem spending a first round draft pick on that guy. His percentage sky rockets from 10% to about 25% chance. I am more than happy to spend a first round pick on a guy that I think has a 25% chance of becoming a really good starter in this league. I am also willing to spend multiple years worth of picks on a guy I have rated higher than nearly all other players in the draft. For instance, if we end up with a 7 win year in 2027 and that puts us around 10-12 in the draft order.
I HAVE NOT DONE 2027 DRAFT GRADES PRIOR TO 2026 SEASON, THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL.
Say this is the outcome of the 2027 evaluations(MY evaluations):
1. Jeremiah Smith WR 2. Colin Simmons EDGE 3. Dylan Stewart EDGE 4. Leonard Moore CB 5. Dante Moore QB 6. David Stone DL 7. Nick Marsh WR 8. DJ Lagway QB 9. Jordan Ross DL 10. Arch Manning QB 11. Trevor Goosby OT 12. LaNorris Sellers QB 13. Koi Perich S
I would have no problem trying to trade from #13 overall to #1 overall to take Dante Moore.
If I personally have him rated this high in this draft class, it tells me I want to do everything in my power to get him. According to the chart, that would mean #13, 2028 first, 2029 first and probably 2027 second.
I would personally go #13, 2027 second, 2028 first, 2028 second and 2029 first and 2029 third to get the deal done. Why? Because I have already did my due diligence fostering a roster that is only in need of a QB. That means it can be maintained for 3 years while you wait to get back to picking great players in the draft.
If the team in first needs a QB just as bad and won't budge, I would make the same offer for DJ Lagway at #2 based on these evaluations... at #3 for Arch Manning it would need to be changed slightly, same with Sellers at #4... Because if they are rated THIS highly, I need someone I believe is going to be a future star.
Now, say this is the evaluations:
1. Jeremiah Smith WR 2. Colin Simmons EDGE 3. Dylan Stewart EDGE 4. Leonard Moore CB 5. Dante Moore QB 6. David Stone DL 7. Nick Marsh WR 8. Jordan Ross DL 9. Trevor Goosby OT 10. Koi Perich S 11. OJ Frederick Jr CB 12. Cam Coleman WR 13. Ahmad Hardy RB ... 28 DJ Lagway QB 35 Arch Manning QB 48 LaNorris Sellers QB 75 Julian Sayin QB
I would put the same offer out there for Moore... But my other offers are not going to go to those lengths. Maybe offer at #2 for Lagway--#13, 2028 First Round, 2028 or 2029 second round Then it gets progressively worse. I would probably only move up to like #7-9 for Manning, so maybe #13, and 2027 second round or 2028 first round Then Sellers is more than likely, if he is available at #13, I would probably think really hard and still pull the trigger. Once I got past Sellers, I would still consider moving down from #13 or up from that second round spot into the mid 20's for Sayin. QBs are not a dime a dozen, if they have a chance to be that guy, I would spend draft capital on them.
Once you get past a 3rd round grade, they are nothing more than a project and I wouldn't go higher than a low 3rd round pick to take any of them. That's my philosophy.
