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Ceasefire is extremely welcome.

But nothing about regime change. Nothing about uranium. Nothing about nuclear capacity. . . . So far. Maybe that will come in further negotiations.

My gut says we'll end up with something very similar to what we had in place before Trump undid it in Term 1.

It was never going to happen. Going off the deep end would have been if all that happened. Doing something like that and saying something like that are two different matters.

One would have been horrible. The other lead us to what could possibly lead to a satisfactory ending. We'll see.

We'll see. I would bet it is a little stricter. I doubt they get a toll fee. That is like charging people to cross the Atlantic. They need to quit acting like they own the strait. I also doubt they get away without giving up any and all uranium and without inspections.

I could see the lifting of sanctions, but it would be in steps as Iran earns the right to have them eased. They won't go away overnight.

A guarantee they won't be attacked again? I don't see how we could guarantee we would never attack England. Who knows what the future holds?

They are also leaving out a lot of other things like no supporting and funding terror around the world. Human rights issues in their country.

Well everyone wants more safety no matter what route we ended up taking to get there. I surely hope that there is an agreement that covers enriched Uranium, the sponsorship of terrorism, and an end to charging ships to pass through the straights.

My concern is we aren't more safe particularly. Iran showed that without a significant military threat they could inflict enough pain to make the USA want to end the war. They have had regime change from going from an 80+ year old Ayatollah to his son - an unknown quality who is unlikely to be less tyrannical. So no nett gain. We've alienated, abused, mocked western allies and NATO members - unjustly. The NATO countries stuck to their guns and said "not our war - not our mess - not a NATO matter". The only person loving that is Putin. We also gave Putin a MASSIVE financial windfall when the Russian economy was truly hurting, helping their efforts in Ukraine.

Vance earlier claiming that the Military completed every objective is an absolute joke that no-one on the entire planet believes. Trump and the US look foolish and worse - unstable. I think in 30 years time - China will be closer to all these Middle Eastern countries than the USA. We'll see if NATO survives. I have heard several commentators ask the question - if Putin invaded, say, Poland or another bordering NATO country. Do we have complete and utter conviction that Trump would honor NATO commitments? Not any more. Probably? Sure - but it is not 100%. That's a price that this Iran conflict and the unstable, irrational way in which Trump has conducted himself has cost and it is not worth whatever gains we may make assuming the further negotiations go the way we hope.