DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk NFL Draft 2026 Pick #182 Arkansas QB Taylen Green

I didn’t see a thread for Taylen, so here we go

He seems like the perfect type of QB to run in the Wildcat formation. He is nowhere close to what you would want as a starting NFL QB at this point in time and his int. total should tell people that.

But as of now he would be prefect in the Wildcat. How much he improves from there moving forward is anyone's guess.

Dan Brugler's write-up on Green...

BACKGROUND
Taylen Green, the middle child of three in his family, was born and raised in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex by his parents (Quinton
and Latrice). Quinton played basketball at Collin College (north of Dallas). Taylen’s older sister (Nyah) was a McDonald’s All-American
basketball player in high school and one of the top recruits in the country (she started receiving scholarship offers in sixth grade). After
signing with Louisville (2019-20), Nyah transferred to Duke (2021-22).

While growing up in a basketball family, Taylen Green developed his competitiveness by going against his sister (who is 20 months
older) on the court. After eighth grade, Green gave up basketball to focus on his football career. Green and his fiancée (Analisse Batista),
who runs track for the Razorbacks, were engaged in June 2025.

Green started his prep career at Allen High School, a powerhouse program that’s produced quarterback Kyler Murray and dozens of
other NFL players. He started to get attention as a recruit before high school and was invited to Regional Elite 11 as a 150-pound
freshman. However, Green found himself blocked on Allen’s depth chart for two years, and he transferred to Lewisville High School
prior to his junior year. He became the starting quarterback on varsity and helped lead Lewisville to a 7-4 record, including a close loss
to bitter rival Marcus High (led by quarterback Garrett Nussmeier). Green finished his junior season with 2,217 passing yards, 445
rushing yards and 37 total touchdowns (25 passing, 12 rushing). As a senior captain, he led Lewisville back to the 6A state playoffs and
finished with 2,431 passing yards, 653 rushing yards and 29 total touchdowns (22 passing, nine rushing). He shared a backfield at
Lewisville with running back Damien Martinez, a 2025 NFL Draft pick of the Seattle Seahawks. Green also lettered in track (jumps and
relays). He set a school record in the long jump (23 feet 5 inches) and had personal bests of 44-3.5 in the triple jump and 55.02 seconds
in the 400-meter dash.

A three-star recruit, Green was the 79th-ranked quarterback in the 2021 class and the No. 185 recruit in Texas. Before he’d even become
a varsity starter, he received his first FCS scholarship offer (Illinois State). His recruitment picked up after he transferred to Lewisville
and earned a starting job, as he received offers from FBS schools including San Diego State, Rice, UTEP, New Mexico State and Central
Michigan. The summer before his senior year, Green had a final three of Boise State, San Diego State and Wyoming, and he committed
to the Broncos in July 2020. He was the third-ranked recruit in former head coach Andy Avalos’ first recruiting class at Boise State.
After redshirting in 2021, Green led Boise State to the 2022 Mountain West championship game and was named the conference’s
Freshman of the Year. However, his 2023 season was inconsistent, and he lost some playing time to Maddux Madsen. Despite having a
strong finish to his sophomore season, Green was looking for a change of scenery and entered the transfer portal in December 2023. He
considered Baylor, LSU, Miami, Michigan State and others before committing to Arkansas, a program he had visited (but from which he
didn’t receive an offer) during the high school recruiting process.

Green accepted an invitation to the Senior Bowl.

STRENGTHS
● Tall, with a muscular upper body; freely carries his 225 pounds
● True dual-threat, because of his mobility and tight spiral
● Dangerous on QB draws/options, with high success rate as a scrambler on money downs
● Routinely created explosives on the ground (73 carries of 10-plus yards over past two seasons)
● Big body leaves would-be tacklers falling off him in the pocket and in space
● Slides inside and outside of pocket to buy time and throw on the move
● Can make every throw with velocity
● Aggressive passer who will challenge safeties when given the chance
● Voted a team captain in 2025 and carries himself the right way (NFL scout: “Always laughing and really sharp. … [He] wants to
motivate you.”)
● Durable and tough — refuses to come off the field
● First player in school history with 300 yards passing and 100 yards rushing in a single game

WEAKNESSES
● Long body type, with thin lower half
● Funky, long delivery (too many batted passes for a player his size)
● Late getting to backside dig — needs to eliminate things more quickly in his reads
● Doesn’t throw with a ton of anticipation; late to locate lurkers
● Inconsistent mechanics and weight transfer go hand-in-hand with streaky ball placement
● Too willing to throw into traffic and needs to take better care of the football
● Didn’t show much improvement with pocket presence between junior and senior tape
● More likely to work backward or roll out than climb in pocket

SUMMARY
A two-year starter at Arkansas (and four-year starter overall), Green was a dual-threat quarterback in former offensive coordinator
Bobby Petrino’s balanced, spread scheme. After three years at Boise State, he blossomed in Fayetteville and in 2025 ranked No. 3 in the
SEC in total yards per game (290.9). He has been one of the most productive quarterbacks in college football — over the past two
seasons, he ranked No. 1 in the FBS in plays of 10-plus yards (315) and 20-plus yards (109).

One of the most physically gifted players in the 2026 draft class (at any position), Green is big, athletic and competes with NFL-required
toughness. He is a playmaker outside the pocket (with both his arm and legs), and his highlight package is full of “wow” moments.
However, he is inconsistent working through his reads, and you hold your breath every time he throws over the middle. He takes too
many unnecessary chances — he committed a combined 37 turnovers the past two seasons (20 interceptions, 17 fumbles). Overall,
Green needs to take better care of the football and refine his mechanics and passing rhythm, but he offers the
physical traits and high character worth molding in a read-option, vertical passing game.

Fun to watch.. Browns QB Taylen Green | Gruden's QB Class

Gruden turned up to 11 is way too much. Normal Gruden is almost too much.

I would look to see if the guy can catch the ball. He has Calvin Johnson type physical traits. From a Browns perspective, think Josh Gordon.
Six foot five, 230 lbs, 4.35 speed.

He would need nearly as much development at the QB position as he would at WR....assuming he can catch. I would explore the possibilities of a position change.

If he worked himself into a Taysom Hill type role, that would be fine and dandy.

So what most of us have been saying, goal line/short yardage role.

He can do that as a backup QB, he doesn't have to change to a WR to do that.

Taysom Hill didn't even start to do receiver drills until his 3rd season in the NFL. They exhausted his usefulness as a QB, THEN started to utilize him in different ways. Let's give him a chance before burning his QB career. He hasn't even had a mini-camp yet.

This isn't directed at you oober, even though I quoted your post.. it is for all those calling for a position change before he gets fitted for a uniform with a QB number on it. I know you aren't doing that.

I mean is this guy going to pass waivers to the practice squad? Not if he looks good at all.


Honestly, I don't see it in Shedeur. I'd rather just run the Lamar offense with this guy, run the ball at a record setting level, 15 passes a game. We have the defense for ball control offense.

I mentioned Taylen becoming a WR, but it was just a thought. I would rather see us develop him into a starting QB. His skills are off the chart. You could make some plays where he occasionally catches the ball and let him use his speed but then you might be risking injury. I'll be anxious to see what he can do.

Indeed! I'm hoping to see Lamar 2.0 from TG...

I honestly think Green is the steal of the draft and by the time Sanders is wanting Legendary money Green will be ready to step in. Green is by far the most physically gifted QB from this draft and it's not even close. The problems with his throwing motion and footwork are completely fixable. A super high character young man who knows how to keep his mouth shut. Green is going to make Sanders sweat a LOT.

Any word on Green from OTA's? I already like what I have heard about him. What have we seen since he signed on? SS or Lamar 2.0? I can't see him making the PS, do you? I like the measurables reported. I really don't think we can survive much bad breaks with these four. Green seems full of promise, worth developing. I like his stats; that is enough for now.

Yes, that's why every NFL team passed on him 5 times and some six times. Because "Green is the steal of the draft".

Let me guess. Tom Brady and Josh Purdy? Yes, Berry landed as once in a generation find! Just remember, neither of them appeared to be "the most physically gifted QB from this draft."

Browns fans always seem to think this team is getting a Ferrari at VW Bug prices.

People were saying the same thing about Sanders at this point last season. It seems some have already turned the page and repeating the exact same process they found themselves in last year at this point.

Sanders doesn't sweat, that's his Legendary Essence leaking from his pores.


I don't know what to make of Green. How much of the "issues" at Arkansas were him and how much were the rest of the team is hard to separate. He lost his top 6 WRs before this last season. His most productive WR was (transfer) O'Mega Blake. With a name like that, I'd have heard of him if he was good sometime during the draft process as I was going pretty deep at WR. (He went undrafted, may have gotten rookie camp tryout offers.) The Arkansas defense was one of the worst in all of FBS last season.

I'm hopeful Green turns into something, but we'll see.

You might be able to fix them at best. The problem is a college coach has no incentive to try to develop a player for the NFL. You take what the player offers and go with that, so we will see.

IMO I would see if he can catch. If so, it will be easier to turn him in to a great player at the receiver position. It's easier to teach that than the QB position. I know a few on here have said he has said he will be a QB and nothing else. He has also said he is here to do whatever it take to help the team win.

I don't care what he has said. Now that he is being paid by an NFL team, I think he will seek to continue to be paid even if the team switches his position.

I don't see the team switching him from a position we don't have good players at to a position that we (theoretically) do now.

Not only is the going to be coached by Monken parallel there to Lamar. There's also the coached by Petrino in college. People thought Lamar should change positions. I think Green is a better QB than some give credit. He might have had better stock if he had transferred to a better team, but I think he wanted to be coached by the guy that coached Lamar. I think having generally played on the less talented team on the field last year in some ways helped his development. He had to work on craft instead of just chucking it to wide open WRs that were out athleting opponents. His WRs were the ones getting out athleted. His top WR was a 4.66 40 "deep threat" guy.

He's not exactly the same as Lamar. He's much more linear, so we'll see how that translates.

I don't see him translating as a WR. His long legs aren't built for getting in and out of breaks or quickly stopping momentum. Maybe his body type would work as a deep threat in theory, but finding/tracking the ball late and over the shoulder bucket catches aren't really things that come naturally if you don't start early. Against the greatest athletes in the world probably isn't the time to try to develop a completely new skill.

I have some questions for you.

If a player can't be coached up and fix some issues within the position he has played his whole life, why do you think it would be so easy to turn him into something he isn't?

What makes teaching receiver easier than teaching QB?

How is it that an athlete in college that has been very successful at receiver, comes into the NFL and all of a sudden has very little success? Why are the top athletes at THAT position at the combine, not the top WRs in the NFL?

Being a top professional athlete has as much to do about their psyche as it does their physical and intelligence. What you are asking the team to do is blow up his psyche by telling him he isn't good enough, before he even gets the chance to see what he has. I just don't get it....

Agree 100%. Let HIM show you what he is. Once he gets to this level, the exposure will let him know internally whether or not he believes if success is achievable. Give it a year, maybe two if the proper progress is made. This is a 6th round pick, he can develop a new position when/if he fails at this one, not because he has similar traits in shorts as one of the greatest to ever play WR.

We drafted Taylen in the 6th round. Very little investment with solid potential. Give him whatever time he needs to develop. He can be our 3rd stringer for the next 3-4 years if need be. With his physical attributes he's an intriguing prospect.

The other thing on some of his draft reports were his eyes being in the wrong spot. Being able to execute within the offense is going to be what I'm watching closest when it comes to him. Mechanics can come with enough drilling, but being able to see/process what he needs to to make the right throw is going to be the main decider on where his career goes.

I don't think giving a 6th round QB 3-4 years to develop, unless he is making great progress, is in the cards. Potential simply isn't enough. Look at the current situation. There are three project QB's on the current roster. Are you suggesting that Sanders will end up being our #2 QB after they actually draft a potential franchise QB? Or that Green will supplant Sanders?

All three of the current QB's in house, other than Watson, are nothing more than shots in the dark. As it pertains to the future I think if they follow the NFL model, they will have a first round draft pick selected that will be the starter with a veteran backup to help with his development and insure the team not totally collapse if the starter is injured. The you have may have a Sanders/Green type as your third QB. So would that be Sanders or Green? It can't be both if either by that time.

History dictates all of the projects on the current roster are in very short windows.

The short answer is...Green would remain, Sanders will be gone.

THIS is Sanders opportunity to become the Browns QB. If this offense fails miserably enough that the Browns are able to get a first round QB in 2027, then the QB flips upside down. I think it is a very real possibility that Green would be the odd man standing come 2027.

1) Watson is gone after this season, so that is one down
2) Gabriel, I believe, is the odd man out right now. Monken mentioned yesterday that they have to add additional steps to every workout to accommodate the fact he is a lefty. I don't think he is a fan
3) Most importantly, If they invest a first round pick on a QB, it is because they believe he is the future of the franchise. Sanders will be replaced by a veteran to help him develop, just as you mentioned above.

None of these points change the fact that in today's NFL, teams are carrying (3) QBs because of the new rule with the emergency QB. Green is developmental, but in an emergency situation, I'm sure they could package enough plays to get them through one to two weeks until they find a veteran replacement if the other two are long term injuries. Green as a developmental player makes more sense than Sanders, if they spend a first round pick on a QB in 2027.

It's more a numbers game. Green is a quintessential development QB. Sanders was drafted as one, but because of situation, he is being judged RIGHT NOW, not in 3 years as a starter level. Fair or not, Sanders time for judgement is at hand. Monken didn't draft Sanders, he has no ties to him. Monken wasn't here when the trade for Watson happened, he has no ties to him. He is in the room when Green's name is written down. He has more invested time into Green at this point than any other QB on the roster.

No one cares if Green is stuck down in 3rd position developing, no one is going to question that, even ownership... However, Sanders time as a starter and now subsequent starter battle moves him into a different category. If he loses now, he loses his future with the Browns in my opinion. The veteran in 2026 is Watson... There will be another veteran in 2027, that isn't Sanders... unless he becomes a proven QB in 2026, then this is a moot point.

Progress or not, you KNOW he's going to start multiple games sometime this season.

That's a very fanciful story but would be a very unusual story to come true given the history of the league. Few QB's which are such a late round pick are giver 3-4 years to develop.

I'm just looking at the logical outcome rather than the fanciful one.

If Shedeur becomes our franchise QB great and I hope he does. However, if he doesn't and we have to draft a QB next year what I would do is this. Watson will be gone, trade Shedeur, because then he would become a distraction IMO, and sign a Vet. If whomever we draft isn't ready start the vet and have the rookie and Green at 2 and 3. Green at 3rd string isn't a bad option with a year under his belt. With his physical attributes Green is worth keeping around for a few years. JMO

If both watson and Sanders are injured at the same time I wouldn't bet against it. And the odds of it happening with the Browns seems higher than on most teams given the history of the Browns QB situation. And if that happens it may help quiet some of these unrealistic expectations.

Let's not forget the supplemental draft and Brendan Sorsby --- just sayin'

I don't doubt some reports said it, but I'm not really sure that's what it is or perhaps they mean something different by it than what I generally take as the meaning of the phrase. I think some people see an open target and assume that's where he should be looking. The read/progression doesn't always work that way, though.

I would say he could definitely improve at looking off coverage and reading/interpreting underneath coverage, but I don't think looking in the wrong spot is necessarily the issue.

I agree processing is make or break at this level. On the plus side, his athleticism can provide a threat that can lead to "breakdowns" defensively which can somewhat make the processing easier. I.e, if someone comes up in run support for him, throwing into the void they leave is relatively simple from a cognitive load standpoint. The bigger the spaces, the less precise the calculations have to be. It looks like we have the weapons to create lots of stretch now. Whether the OL can hold up long enough to give the guy at QB time for things to stretch, we'll see.

I think how willing Monken is to use Green's legs, and really design the/an offense/package around his abilities, to try to dictate to defenses what they can do is a pretty big factor in how this works out. If they try to make him Peyton Manning, it's probably not going to work.

I keep telling myself, don't communicate with him, he's never going to change, but I'm a glutton for punishment. Most things that come off your keyboard are only logical to one person, yet you argue them as if someone else actually agrees with you. That isn't logical, it's nonsensical.

Logically, if this team is going to invest in a 3rd string developmental QB, it's the one that the current coaching staff brought into the mix, not one that was from the previous regime. It's the true meaning of logical..

Fanciful is saying there is another QB that was undrafted, but invited by another team to their offseason program and somehow making it seem like a viable option to have him as your 3rd string emergency QB for the upcoming season.

Sometimes I wonder if you even know the meaning of some of the words you use... was it on toilet paper word of the day?

Go take a long look at the odds and stats then explain how that take isn't fanciful.

Fanciful describes ideas, appearances, or stories that are born from the imagination rather than reason or reality

Now you might argue the imagination part which may be somewhat debatable. But the stats and odds certainly dictate the rest of the definition of fanciful certainly applies.

I get it. People want what they hope for to become the reality and when they get faced by those who try to ground things in reality they somehow find that objectionable.

Look at the stats for QB's drafted in the 6th round rather than trying to create some made up scenario that isn't applicable here. I didn't create the history on the odds of success nor how long teams keep a sixth round QB draft pick on average.

I'm sorry that you feel some need to attack the messenger rather than debate the facts. If you're having trouble comprehending the vocabulary I'm using that's a you issue. None if it goes beyond the basics. Sorry you had trouble keeping up.

Thanks for the definition. Instead of arguing with you, we'll have to start complimenting you on how fanciful your posts are.

Stats tell you what happened in the past, they don't dictate the future. What are the odds of a 6'5", 236# QB with sub 4.4 speed, a crazy vert, and a big arm being given up on early when he'll be cheap for all of his 6th round contract and appears to have sub package utility with this exact surrounding team? I don't know a number, but anyone that thinks they do is using their imagination.

Sorry for all the quotes, but to put all your fanciful ideals in one place, then ask for the odds and stats...

I went back and looked at every 6th round draft pick for the last 20 years. That is 36 QBs drafted in the 6th round.

The AVERAGE life span of that 6th round developmental QB is 4.25 years. The AVERAGE time spent on their drafting team is 1.62 years.

Only ONE QB, Tajh Boyd, washed out in their first year in the NFL.

Only FOUR QBs have gone on to 10+ year careers; Nate Sudfield, Jeff Driskel, Tyrod Taylor and Bruce Gradkowski. There are currently 10 6th round QBs dating back to 2019 that are still active in the league. With one other, Trace McSorley on a 7 year stint that could end as he doesn't currently have a contract.

More recently, 3 out of 5 6th round QBs from 2025 class are still with their drafting teams going into 2026.

The "Stats and Odds" say that Green has a pretty good chance of being a developmental QB for 3-4 years, which is what your parameters were. Chances aren't great that he's a Brown in 3-4 years, but they are better than 50/50 that he is a Brown in 2027.

Given the scenario and "Odds and Stats", my statement was pretty accurate.

You keep being your fanciful self and we will keep proving why many of us disagree with a lot of what you say... Oh and do some research...

Actually, if I were to argue further, it makes a LOT of sense to develop Green as the Browns future #2 QB. If he can develop into a guy that can be relied on for a couple of games a year if the starter is injured, that's great, that's what veteran backups do. However, if he can be that AND give them the sub packages you are talking about, then he becomes even more valuable as a contributing member of the roster weekly.

I don't pretend to know what Taylen Green is going to become. I also don't pretend to know what Spencer Fano, KC Concepcion, Denzel Boston, etc... is going to become. We know what their potential is right now, which is what we are discussing. We can have separate discussions about past draft picks and what they did or didn't do. No one is really interested in those discussions because they are irrelevant to the future of the Browns. Just as this current classes failure to develop players won't matter 5 years from now, they won't be part of the equation.

As I've said before, we could all stop talking about them completely since the draft is over and we can't predict what 2029 brings, but what fun is that?

I'm the one that posted we should keep Taylen 3-4 years to see what he can develop into. We need a 3rd string QB anyways so why not a guy with his skills. Irish out of those 36 QB's drafted in the 6th round over the last 20 years how many have the physical skills TG has? How many had the insane numbers he put up at the combine? I'll bet none. He's worth keeping on the roster to see what Monken can do with him. Small investment but possibly a huge upside!

Going by stats when it is in reference to individual players is as an ignorant of a view of things as there can be. Every player is different. They have different skill levels, abilities, how long they have played the position etc.... Players are worth developing. Some will develop many more won't. How much God given talent does a player have and how much ability to learn and work ethic does that same player have. That is the real difference. Taylen Green has athletic skills that most 1st round QB's do not have. Does he have the capacity and work ethic to learn and develop? Hopefully Green is a tremendously hard worker and can develop. At this point none of us know including the know it all's that site stats as opinion.

Sanders could prove to be an exception to the rule. From all indications around Berea he camped out in the facility all winter after the season watching film and working on his game and Todd Monken's playbook. He is at least putting in the work to get better. I appreciate players that work at their craft. Sounds like Watson has also put the work in as reports are he has looked really good so far both moving well and arm looks strong. Could be a very interesting camp with these 2. Green is worth developing. His raw talent is jaw dropping. Now it is up to him and the coaches.

I agree with your wisdom and insight. I like what I have heard about him. If our worst fallback option is Green at QB3, then we have some options to work with. I have been considering what ir might mean to have him on the field as a second QB for some gadget or gimmick plays. He might really challenge defenses in multiple ways. Hope to see more that will let his Combine performance translate to the NFL battlefield. Wishing all of them good luck.

Thank you. I'm glad you did your research.

I know you were the one that made the 3-4 comment,

I'm not going to pretend that I know every name on this list of 36. But of those I do know, I don't think any had the same athletic traits. We all know there has never been a QB like Green at the combine, so I'm going to take that as a rhetorical question.

As Bone said, Green is going to get his chance. Right now it's going to be in the shadows, but you can learn a lot observing from the shadows. If he understands that his time will come, he could set himself up to have a great opportunity.

Where did you get your data? I was exploring the historical outcomes question, too and search engine AI wasn't very good at understanding the data it was pulling from. (I asked Google for 6th round QBs that ran for over 700 yards in a college season and it spat out Gardiner Minshew as the answer along with some names of other people nowhere close)

I ask because Joe Webb wasn't on your list. He seemed like the closest athletic profile to me (though still not exact,) and he played 10 seasons, too. Yes, he eventually converted to WR/gadget guy, but he was a QB his first 3 years in MIN (and was drafted as one.)

While I don't see the WR conversion for him, I do think the "gadget" possibilities give Green a decently long longevity floor.

With the exception of Sudfeld, the guys that did last were guys that used their legs/athleticism as a significant part of their game.

Lesser athletes taken late are easier to let go of than guys with tantalizing traits. I wonder what the average career length of guys with a RAS over 9 is. MathBomb might actually have something like that somewhere.

It was a rhetorical question. There probably isn’t any QB tested ever at the combine no matter what round they were drafted in that had Taylens numbers. I also think that right now with the HC we have there is a better chance of developing him than what we had previously. Monken already did it in Baltimore and Lamar while gifted, isn’t as physically gifted TG. I have my opinion it doesn’t mean i’ll be right but time will tell. TG is worth a shot. He seems like a good kid and i’ll be pulling for him.

Lol, yeah I figured that's all you would get out of the entire post. It is still relevant to my posts message, but you can't correlate the two for some reason. I stated that he might not be on the Browns in 4 years, but there's a better than 50/50 chance he is in 2027... That number corroborates my statement, not yours. You asked the question between Sanders and Green as the #3 QB in 2027... It still supports my post that it would be Green.

If you took all the conversations accumulatively, a reasonable person would ascertain that Green has an above average chance to beat the one and done notion, simply because his attributes are so much higher than the typical 6th round draft pick, let alone the QB position.

I literally have a spreadsheet I could share if I knew how to, lol.

I looked at the historical data from the past 20 seasons of 6th round draft picks and charted the QBs. I obviously missed one, fortunately, it would have helped the cause. Then I looked at all 36 players individually to see how long they were with their drafting team, how long they consecutively played in the NFL, then put formulas in to calculate the numbers relevant to the conversation. I did NOT go through each individual players stats to find comparative players to Green. I was only interested in the average numbers a certain poster was arguing about.

You seem to have forgotten what our discussion was about......


I quoted the part of your post that was relative to the discussion. By your own research you provided factual information that this was likely false as I've been contending all along.

That's a you problem at this point.

....you do realize you're replying to one person while quoting someone else's post? Homewood Dog and IrishDawg42 aren't the same person.

Can denotes a possibility. Homewood didn't say 100% will be. If anything, the research (of IrishDawg42) showed that it was possible.

Not knowing what you're talking about or who you're talking to is a PitDAWG problem.

Well, except that isn't my post....

BUT... since you brought up Homewood Dog's post, all he stated was "He could be our third stringer for the next 3-4 years" Which falls right into the average 6th round QB pick's NFL career of 4.25 years.

In what universe do you think you are winning this debate?

For one, you are trying to argue statistics with a guys hypothetical, which is ridiculous to begin with, but then you double down and his statement falls within the statistics.

Out of the 36, you have to whittle that down to 30 because 6 of those have only been in the league for 2 years, so that alone puts them outside the parameters.

Out of the 30 that are left, 7 were with their original team for at least 3 years. So 23% of the eligible QBs drafted in the 6th round were with their original team for at least 3 years... numbers are a fickle b!tch, sometimes they help, sometimes they don't. In this case they aren't helping you at all...

There are some days I wish we still had a LIKE button...

Green has more potential as a 6th round pick than Gabriel has as a 3rd round pick.

Everything is debatable.

The unknown with Green is football IQ. That was supposed to be the strength of Gabriel, I didn't get to see it, but he also was given a very small window to show it.

You can have all the physical tools in the world, but if you don't know how to use them properly, you're never going to succeed. I am glad he is in Cleveland so we can try to observe from afar. It's going to be a fun observation, good or bad.

He said "He can be our 3rd stringer for the next 3-4 years if need be.

None of that has anything to do with how long he may remain in the league. Trying to flip the script isn't going to help you now. Your own research shows that is a highly unlikely scenario. Your research shows the average time a 6th rounder spends with the team that drafted him is 1.6 seasons. The numbers your research turned up are not my fault. Can and could are not the same thing either.

So can he be? Yes. Do the stats show that is a very unlikely scenario as I have stated? Yes they do. That is backed up by your own stats, not mine.

I'm not flipping anything. MY post said that Green would be the 3rd string QB over Sanders in 2027.. YOU are the one flipping it showing someone else's post. 2027 isn't 3-4 years, it would be year two for Green. You're question was you would have Green over Sanders for #3? My short answer was, YES. Then I went on to explain and you went into a tirade like you do frequently.

I'm beginning to think you argue with so many people, you can't keep the arguments straight.

Tssk, tssk, tssk. Please show where I ever argued with you about Green being a third stringer in 2027. Don't worry I'll wait.

I think in order to keep him past season 3 he's gotta start showing SOMETHING. As others have said, sub-packages and gadget plays.

I’ve already shown you 20 something posts back, look it up. We need a new subject, you’ve reached the point of boring me with the art of saying nothing productive.

QB is the most complicated position on the field, but I think you know that. WR might not be easier to teach, but it is easier to learn.

I am not saying we give up on him being a QB. He has way more talent than Shedufus. I am just saying to get him playing more this season, I would give WR a look.

I am not sure if it was you talking about long legs being a detriment, but Randy Moss had long legs too. So have a lot of other receivers. Green didn't ace all of the agility tests at the combine while stumbling over his long legs.

I called his long legs a detriment to playing WR. Yes, Moss is the type of WR I said his body type could potentially (though still not likely to me) be as more of a straight line deep threat.

Taylen didn't do the agility drills at the combine nor his pro day. No 3 cone or shuttles.

I see his "WR"-Gadget role more as fly sweeps with a run/pass option than ever running routes. His QB-"gadget" role as more wildcat and pop pass. I'd still focus on full time mobile QB with rollouts and RPOs.

This is the perfect response when you can't back up your assertions. I expected as much.

I think Green will have to build trust in Monken that he won't turn he ball over before he starts the gadget role. I can see this as something for the latter part of the season not something they will start the season with.

Just a wee bit more to add. If you get a gadget or gimmick to work with him a few times, then you want it on tape. You show some wrinkles to force other D's to prepare for it. Complicate their calls a bit more. We have heard it said that some opponents didn't
need to do much to prepare for us under Ski. I think you get him into a number of looks. Just putting him on the field should command attention and adjustments.
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Technically, he didn't show you arguing with him about that because you mixed up names and were arguing with him (and 2027 3rd stringer was his position) but about Homewood's position.

It was discussed earlier in the thread.

It is quite fanciful for you to change someone else's argument into something that they didn't argue for then demand that they go find it. Nice deflection attempt. Way to exercise that imagination.

Someone else? Try again grasshopper.

So you're saying you were arguing with him. And that last sentence says "50/50 that he [Green] is a Brown in 2027," so I guess you just found/made the post you were asking him for.

Pay attention.....

I am paying attention to you constantly changing your argument and quoting random selections out of context. Plus, 2027 is only one year away which supports his side of it. If he'd said 2028 that 1.62 might have been relevant.

Or do you just think he's right and want me to pay attention to him now?

It's so hard to know when you say so little. I'm not against you saying less, though.

Maybe you should have been paying attention from the beginning......


The premise is he won't be given 3 to 4 years to develop. And his stats back that up. You can't show anywhere that I argued against the odds being favorable that he could be the 3rd string QB in 2027. At this point your tilting at windmills.

No, windmills stay in one place. But tilting at windmills is a fanciful narrative. Paying attention from the beginning doesn't really make things clearer when the other party keeps changing his position. Sticking to what's right in front of you generally works better for keeping things straight.

"He won't be given 3 to 4 years to develop" is not "the" premise, but the one you're changing to now. His stats don't back up anything 3 to 4 years from now. What he does this year will influence next year. What he does next year will influence the year after. The research IrishDawg42 conducted showed 6th round QBs do average around that amount of time. Green's uncommonly good for a 6th rounder tools lead me to lean towards thinking he'll get more than the averages.

You just yesterday quoted a post that had that on the team in 2027 position and said you were arguing with him.

I can't even entirely agree with the almost reasonable unrelated quote you included of yourself due to the over importance placed on an interceptions total statistic.

Yes, we know in your world this means nothing...

The AVERAGE life span of that 6th round developmental QB is 4.25 years. The AVERAGE time spent on their drafting team is 1.62 years.

Once again you are tilting at windmills. And since it seems you have no clue what that is or means I'll help you out, this time...........

"Tilting at Windmills" is a famous idiom meaning to "attack imaginary enemies," which originated from Miguel de Cervantes' 17th-century classic novel, Don Quixote. In the book, the delusional knight-errant famously mistakes massive windmills for terrifying giants and attacks them.

The only thing you can show that I've actually argued against is that NFL teams rarely if ever give 6th round QB's 3-4 years to develop. I realize you are trying to play stupid and pretend that's not true but you're smart enough to know better. At least I hope so.

#tiltingatwindmills