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It's the GOOD LIFE!!! Couldn't get any easier IMO. And you have better job security for the most part as well.

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very few? give me ONE.... JUST SAY NO!

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Dick Vermiel and Barry Switzer

Both started out as college coaches and both have superbowl rings...

Jimmy Johnson has 2 superbowl rings.

How could you ever forget Paul Brown....

There is four without even thinking about it..

Jimmy Johnson didnt do to badly

Well I'm 25.. lol... I remember Jimmy Johnson for sure.... but the other guys.... before my time I guess.. lol.

Paul Brown was before your time,,but your a browns fan I think... I would hope you did some research on your on favorite team..

Vermiel just won the Superbowl in 98 or 99.. I think 99 with the Rams.. Switzer won the superbowl with the Cowboys in 95 or 96. not sure which without looking it up and I don't feel like it..

J/K

Been doing some reading and it seems that the Boston Globe has been putting out some stories that are not factual.

...such as the idea that Pioli was given a timeline and he "had to" tell Lerner today whether he would take the Browns job or not....it's not true according to the Plain Dealer web page

Another claim we are hearing that may not be factual is the idea that Pioli and Ferentz are a package. Ferentz is trying to knock those claims down web page

As I attempted to explain earlier, we are going to hear a lot of "stuff" and to be honest, we won't know if it's true or not unless someone addresses each and every rumor to our satisfaction.

Try to be patient...

Well shoot YTown, I'd be happy to secondguess you if you need a hand. Proof will be in the pudding. Hope springs eternal in Cleveland; after all, there is always next year, right? Just kidding!

Call me crazy Mac, but isn't that what I've been trying to say for a day now.. reports just aren't going to be factual,,, Until they are... till then, it's all guess work by the reporters... by the way, different agenda equals different guesses. Funny how that works isn't it

Of course it is...what's new??

Reports come out....some based on actual information, some based on supposition based on the prior report.

People try to connect dots.

Somewhere in there we are left to sift through.

So...while sifting...here is my take....

Lerner wants Pioli.....pretty self evident

Pioli wants Ferentz....makes some sense as they go back many years to the Browns

Lerner wants Mangini....just guessing here

Pioli won't work with Mangini....makes sense again considering Spygate

Other guess on my part.....The herald article may have been accurate when it came out, and now the PD article is correct....things change...and they can change quickly.

To Ferentz...I don't know he would be a bad coach....he has coached in the NFL...think he started under Marty as O-line coach.

To Macs article of research on Ferentz...all he is saying is things are premature...he isn't denying anything ...and that could be a real honest comment...he has to wait for Pioli to get hired before anything with him could be finalized.

I think there is enough smoke to give some credence to the Pioli/Ferentz connection.

In the end, either Lerner is going to have to come off some of his ideas or we can forget Pioli...and the way this is playing out, it might be best if we did...I would rather have someone who is eager to be here and not someone who feels right off the bat he has given something up, or a owner who feels like he gave up too much.

How many of those teams have experienced top notch coordinators?

I believe that the OC and DC are just as important as the HC. Crennell had hamburger for coordinators we need some prime rib.

Balt - Rex Ryan and Cam Cameron
Pitt - Dick Lebeau and Bruce Arians
Miami - Dan Henning and Paul Pasqualoni
Atlanta - Mike Mularky and Brian VanGorder
Minnesota - Leslie Frazier and Darrell Bevell
Carolina - Mike Trgovac and Jeff Davidson
Arizona - Clancy Pendergast and Todd Haley

If you ask me, that's a pretty stellar group of coordinators.

Didn't we run

Arians & Davidson out of town ?

Add Romeo on the D-side of the ball and you have what 12 rings between them?

That's what I was thinking looking at Aerians and Davidson's names on there. It's all about circumstance and personnel.

Arians walked into a good O...a caveman could run a good O in Carolina with Stewart and DW running the ball.

Problem with star Cords - they leave. That's why you usually see a former head coach as one cord and an up and comer as another....the league splits between the old school guys and the new ones.

At this point I'm so frustrated with the Browns, I'm just going to close my eyes and wish they get it right sometime. I texted one of my Raiders fans a thank you for his 5th pick by them winning and his response....where we pick doesn't matter because we will pick the wrong guy anyway.

That's how I feel we are going. Savage was supposed to be the prized up and comer scout...we've had better but not stellar picks. Butch was a can't miss, next Jimmy Johnson following from Miami and the Cowboys SB linniage. He was a flop.

Palmer was an up and comer...he flopped.

Romeo was supposed to be the stable, experienced coach that had been coaching so long he couldn't fail or not be get his players ready or fail at game-time adjustments and clock management....FLOP.

We've gone the star cordinator route twice - FLOP.
We've gone the college guru once - FLOP.

Then we look at all the new coaches this year without success and it sickens me to think we missed and are back on the road of hiring a guy we are just going to fire in 2-3 seasons.

Cowher would NEVER work here because the Rooney's got a ring out of him because they waited. Just like Marty was run out of town. We just aren't a patient group of fans.

Lerner, I don't care who, how, what title or what you gotta pay...just for the Love of God, GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME!!!!

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Vermiel was in the NFL for over 20 years before he won the SB. I dont think Browns fans have that much patience

Only 2 coaches ever won the college National Championship and the SB- Switzer and Johnson

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SO,, that wasn't the question I was answering.. whoever it was wanted to know if anyone could name just one coach that was successful as a college coach and then successful as an NFL Coach.. within seconds, i was able to name 4..

What difference does it make when they were successful or what level they reached in either college or the Pros.. that wasn't the question.

But to your point about vermiel,, yeah, it took him from 1976 with the eagles to 1999 with the rams to win the superbowl.. But he got the Eagles to it in 1980.. And if you are going to point out the number of years, you should probably point out that Vermiel was out of coaching for about 16 years between stints with the eagles and rams... take that out and suddenly, you can see that in maybe 7 or 8 years of actual NFL coaching, he went to the superbowl 2 times and won once.

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Of course it is...what's new??

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Nothing is new.. that's why I pointed it out to begin with

j/c

MEL TUCKER TO TALK TO JETS


Browns defensive coordinator Mel Tucker is suddenly a man in demand.

A league source tells us that Tucker will interview with the New York Jets for the team’s head-coaching position.

On Wednesday, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that Tucker will interview with the Browns for the job held most recently by Romeo Crennel.

Tucker, who is African-American, would permit the Jets and the Browns to satisfy the league’s Rooney Rule, which requires at least one minority candidate to be interview for every head-coaching vacancy.

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MCKAY CAN’T TALK TO BROWNS UNTIL FALCONS’ SEASON ENDS
Posted by Mike Florio on January 1, 2009, 9:02 p.m.

Though Falcons president Rich McKay still might interview with the Browns for their General Manager position, we’ve learned that the Browns can’t request permission to interview him until the Falcons’ playoff run ends.

Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer originally reported on Tuesday that McKay would be interviewed this week. Grossi explained that the Browns are “able to interview McKay while the Falcons are still involved in the playoffs because club executives are not subjected to the same league restrictions as coaches.”

The reality, however, is that front office employees are off limits until their current teams’ seasons end.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello quoted the rule for us on Tuesday, and he reiterated its general application to all front-office employees in an e-mail exchange today. (We had promised Greg that we wouldn’t bother him on New Year’s Day. So much for the New Year’s resolution that, moving forward, we will always keep all promises.)

As Aiello told us on Tuesday: “There is a general prohibition on contacting a club about one of its employees during the season. It states: ‘Unless otherwise provided for in this Policy, no club may request permission to discuss employment with a non-player, non-coach employee of another club, whether or not that employee is under contract, during the employer club’s playing season, defined as the period from the opening of preseason training camp through the club’s final game of the season, including postseason if applicable.’”

Though Aiello declined to comment on the application of the rule to specific employees and/or teams, the rule is clear. Even if the Falcons are anxious for McKay to leave, the interview cannot happen until after the Falcons’ season ends, because the Browns cannot request permission to speak to him.

In this case, it appears that the Browns did request permission prematurely, in violation of the rule. However, the league typically imposes a penalty in situations of this nature only if the team victimized by the violation pushes the issue. Thus, our guess is that someone at the league office politely reminded the Browns and the Falcons that the interview could not proceed until after the Falcons are out of the playoffs.

As a practical matter, the rule could remove McKay from consideration. If, in a wide-open NFC playoff field, the Falcons string a few wins together, the Browns might not be inclined to wait for McKay to become available for an interview.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/01/mckay-cant-talk-to-browns-until-falcons-season-ends/

Thank's for the read.

I always thought that rule only pertain to coaches.

The more I read about PIOLI and McKay, I am leaning to McKay. Because I think Pioli is playing us. Which I think is BULL!!!!

Looking for a Browns coach

By Steve Doerschuk
CantonRep.com staff report

Last update Jan 02, 2009 @ 12:46 AM

Browns owner Randy Lerner is tired of the Browns partying like it’s 1999.

In an attempt to get the expansion era off the ground, Lerner rang in the new year scrambling through general manager and head coaching options.

Pending his hiring of a general manager, the following shaped up among the most serious coaching candidate. An analysis:



Josh McDaniels

Lerner might like

* As offensive coordinator at New England, indications are Bill Belichick has trusted him with a lot of rope. He’s at the controls on Sundays, not a puppet.


His 2007 New England offense set NFL records for yards and points.

* His 2008 offense proved he’s resilient, ranking among league leaders in rushing offense despite key injury losses and among the passing leaders despite using a quarterback who hadn’t started since high school.



* He has coached both defense and offense at New England and has a strong sense for special teams, having been a place-kicker at McKinley High School.



* He’s bright and likable and would have a good chance to connect to the public. There is ample evidence his players learned to overlook his youth and embrace his ability.


Lerner might worry

* No matter how you slice it, 32 is an alarming age for a first-time head coach. Pittsburgh’s Mike Tomlin turned 35 shortly after the Steelers hired him, but he had a safety net, with seasoned coordinators Dick LeBeau and Bruce Arians remaining in place.



* Romeo Crennel might help if he stayed, but it would have to be weighed whether Crennel, who had McDaniels on his New England defensive staff as a low-level assistant just five years ago, would embrace calling the kid “boss.”




Mike Shanahan

Lerner might like

* No one else on the market has Shanahan’s combination of relative youth and NFL head coaching experience.



* At 56, he’s five years younger than Crennel.



* In 15 years as Denver head coach, his record was 139-82, with two Super Bowl wins and a trip to the AFC finals as recently as 2005.


Lerner might worry

* Ten seasons have passed since Shanahan was in a Super Bowl. His only playoff win since then was in 2005 (27-15 over New England).



* In his only other playoff seasons during that span, he was one and done in 2000 (21-3 loss to Baltimore), 2003 (41-10 loss to Indianapolis) and 2004 (49-24 loss to Indy).




Rex Ryan

Lerner might like

* Ryan’s father, Buddy, is regarded as one of the top defensive minds in NFL history, and the apple seems not to have flown away from the tree.



* Rex Ryan’s Baltimore defenses have been typically superb. This year’s unit ranked second in the league overall and gave up half as many rushing yards as the Browns.



* Insiders say Ryan can communicate well with players and the public.



* At 46, with 12 years in the NFL, he could be at the right time of life to hit the ground running as a head coach.


Lerner might worry

* Baltimore found reasons to bypass Ryan and instead hire John Harbaugh as head coach in 2008.



* He might not trust Lerner, depending on what his longtime Baltimore associate Phil Savage tells him.




Eric Mangini

Lerner might like

* He might have been too young to be a first-time head coach, but now he has three years of experience with the Jets and will turn 38 in two weeks.



* He could keep Crennel on the staff in a capacity that suits him better than head coach.



* When Crennel became defensive coordinator in New England in 2001 and needed a place to stay, Mangini reached out and took him in. They have been strong friends ever since.



* Mangini and Crennel were key men on Patriots defenses that won three Super Bowls.



* Mangini inherited a 4-12 Jets team in 2006 and led it to a 10-6 playoff season.


Lerner might worry

* Crennel was cheerful but not insightful or skilled in his communication with the public. Mangini tends to be humorless and bland, and not just in public. He struck some of his Jets players as too emotionless.



* Whereas he fashioned two 10-6 seasons with the Jets, his middle season was a disaster. Browns fans have suffered way too much to swallow a 1-8 start, which is where the Jets stood at one point in 2007.



* Mangini ruffled some feathers inside his former team, the Patriots, and raised some eyebrows elsewhere while becoming perceived as a Spygate snitch.




Jim Schwartz

Lerner might like

* He’ll definitely like the fact this Titans defensive coordinator has hung around Jeff Fisher the last 10 years. Lerner is a big fan of Fisher.



* Fisher coached the Titans for five years before breaking through to the playoffs. That coincided with the arrival of Schwartz in ’99, when Tennessee contained and almost beat the mighty Rams in the Super Bowl.



* Coached in the playoffs in four other season, and is there as a No. 1 seed this year.



* Schwartz, 42, not only coached in Cleveland (1995) but is perceived as having an affinity for the region. He combines youth and experience.


Lerner might worry

* Working with Fisher doesn’t make a man Fisher. Schwartz would be a young first-time head coach.



* Schwartz strikes some as being bright to a fault. He thinks so much of his own opinion that he tends to ignore others, a trait that can doom first-time head coach who must learn to delegate.



* The Titans’ had a top-five defense this year, but Schwartz’s side of the ball was no Music City Miracle for quite a while. From 2002-04, Butch Davis’ Browns allowed fewer points than the Titans.

I don't know who is good for us....

Yeah, there are a few good options for us...I think Mike Shanahan would be good just for the simple fact of how well he works with QB's, and I'm curious if his running game is his system, or the actual players he always plugs into it....I also like Marty, who he didn't put on the list....but I'm not sure if Marty can play well with a GM.....

And Turk, feel the LOVE rolling outta the stands, week in & week out! Line up to pat your back, compliment your mama, it is all sweetness and light in the Bigs! Step right up coach!

I will help him pack, and he has 20-20. Right up there with the Favre move IMO. I wish him a safe trip. Maybe if he is allowed or told to run a real defensive scheme, he might be a DC, not a placeholder. Our secondary sucked mightily, despite all the official noise about youth and improvement and a few plays here and there. Stoopid sets, covers, no blitz help, and seldom got themselves off the field. Gone.

Josh McDaniels

Mike Shanahan

Rex Ryan
Eric Mangini
Jim Schwartz







Shanahan has the best football mind out there of the bunch..he'll find a way to beat you.

I tend to agree Mac.....the vibes are all wrong, and the reports coming out of NY display that it was a team in obvious disarray.

I would hope we go with Shanahan or even Dan Reeves. Kinda leery of going the Ferentz route........just in wait and see mode, not gonna clamor too much about it because it will do no good. *shrug*

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I've not warmed up to Mangini and the more I hear from the Jets players, I believe he's wrong for Cleveland, in any capacity.

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Not for nothin, but this jones guy for the Jets says that Mangini isn't the reason for the team failures.. he puts it all on Favre.. at least that's whats being said on ESPN..

Like I said, Not for nothin... but maybe Mangini isn't the culprit the Jets managment would have you believe. Still, there is something about him that doesn't exactly warm my heart either. Can't quite put my finger on it.

Maybe it's the emotionless comment.

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Cleveland Browns like Eric Mangini, Scott Pioli, too. Can they get them both?

by Mary Kay Cabot, Plain Dealer Reporter
Friday January 02, 2009, 6:11 AM

The Browns' strong interest in fired Jets coach Eric Mangini could impact their search for a front-office executive, a league source with knowledge of the situation said Thursday.
The Browns interviewed Mangini on Tuesday night and were impressed with him. They interviewed Patriots Vice President Scott Pioli on Wednesday and liked him, too.

But it's unknown if the two would be willing to work together after the Spygate scandal, so for the Browns, it might come to this: Do they hire the coach they love or the general manager they love?

If the Browns hire Mangini, knowing there is evidence that the coach is the biggest indicator of a franchise's success, he'd probably already have his own right-hand personnel man in mind. If they hire Pioli, he'd undoubtedly be given the authority to hire his own coach.

One thing is certain: The Browns want their coach and GM in complete synch this time, so they'd let each man choose his partner. Pioli and Mangini were once close, but it is unknown exactly where they stand after the yearlong controversy over the Patriots' taping of the Jets' defensive signals.

Pioli left his meeting with the Browns still intent on going through with his scheduled interview with the Kansas City Chiefs. A source told The Plain Dealer on Thursday that the two sides parted ways with no timeframe for a decision from Pioli. The source said a report in the Boston Herald that the Browns gave him a deadline of Thursday was untrue.

The Browns were scheduled to interview Falcons President Rich McKay on Thursday, but the interview was postponed because McKay wanted to focus on Atlanta's playoff game Saturday in Phoenix against the Cardinals, a source said. Foxsports.com's Jay Glazer also reported Thursday that McKay and the Browns talked but "McKay informed them he is happy where he is and did not want to interview for the job or consider it until after the rest of the candidates had run their course in Cleveland."

Perhaps McKay sensed the Browns were going in a different direction, and that direction would be either Pioli or Mangini.

The Browns continue to interview other head coaching candidates, but it could be difficult for any of them to trump Mangini. They interviewed Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo on Thursday and will meet with Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz on Saturday. They've also received permission to interview Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and will interview Browns defensive coordinator Mel Tucker over the next couple of days.

Tucker also will interview for the Jets' head coach vacancy, profootballtalk.com reported Thursday.

If none of those candidates outshine Mangini, the Browns - who want to act fast - could offer Mangini a contract soon.

But the Browns also were of the mind that things could change quickly and that Pioli could be ready to leave New England. A source said Pioli had things to work out before making up his mind on what he wanted to do.

Spagnuolo also interviewed with the Lions on Thursday and will meet with the Jets on Saturday. He's believed to be the Jets' No. 1 candidate. McDaniels also is being wooed by the Broncos, ESPN.com reported.

The Browns are still interested in talking to fired Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, but he is not expected to be a top candidate.

Meanwhile, Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, who would reportedly be on Pioli's short list of candidates, said Thursday after the Outback Bowl: "Scott's a great friend of mine and I think it's a mutual thing. I think it's presumptuous to think anybody knows what he's doing right now. He and I haven't talked in three weeks. We've both been doing our jobs. I've got a great job at Iowa. I've said that many, many times. The people are fantastic and I just feel very fortunate."

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:
mcabot@plaind.com, 216-999-4670


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What would you rather have?

An experienced GM and a rookie coach, or an experienced coach and a rookie GM?