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.forget waiting until he steps on the field and see what kinda value he adds...that's something NFL people have to learn too, huh?
I love Browns fans...EVERYTHING we do is GOLD...
Dude...Take no further look than Northcutt...Morgan...Bryant...ALL these guys have a penchant to catch with the BODY...It's something they NEVER overcome...
If u don't have HANDS coming from the collegiate level...U NEVER WILL...
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OK Numbnuts, find where I said this move was "GOLD"?
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The nerve of this guy...
What's your resume look like, Pumpkin? How many draft picks have you made? How many trades have you negotiated? I'm assuming your statement derives from experience at the NFL level.
Dude, I think I know my football too, but I'm not going to judge what Savage is doing until I see the results on the field. No matter how inflated my opinion of myself is...
Anyway, how the hell do you know Savage had the option of taking a pick for Droughns? Savage is all about picks, you don't think he'd have taken a pick if it was offered?
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I got your LOH...Numbnuts Junior...
If u ain't with the more intelligent folks around here that UNDERSTAND u never ever EVER roll your dice with a wide-out that CATCHES WITH HIS BODY...U ain't NEVER gonna get it...
Talk to me about Quincy Morgan for a minute????
Talk to me about ANY WR that had a penchant for CATCHING WITH THE BODY...
U CAN'T...Cause 95% of em' STILL DO IT TODAY...
This dude will be LUCKY to make the roster...
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Does this mean Adrian Peterson as our #1 pick?
The signing of Lewis probably had no effect on this, and I doubt if releasing Droughns will, either.
Whatever option Peterson was last week, #1, #2 or whatever, is what he is today.
I think he's going to be the pick, I do not see Detroit passing on Thomas.
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j/c...
I am just glad we got something in return for Droughns rather than just releasing him. Not a deal that I am going to get overly excited about, just hope Carter can contribute on the field. Only time will tell.
Also, Droughns clearly had no value as far as draft picks go, unless it was a 6th or 7th rounder, in which case I would prefer Carter. At least he has NFL experience.
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Well we're syaijng some goodbyes today. Thanks for the 1,000-yard season Rueben, you ran tough for the Browns, and good luck in NY.  And yeah, if Tim Carter has questionable hands now, he ain't gonna change.
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He's still fast as hell though. IMO a decent option for us, use him to stretch the D.
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Chill bro .... he aint that bad ... he will be a #3 or 4 on this team ... no clue who wrote this scouting report but dude doesn't have any worse of a problem than cutt did .. and hes BIGGER/STRONGER and FASTER ..
and we didnt draft him in the 2nd rnd .. we got him for someone that was being cut .. how is that a bad move??? if we drafted him in rnd 2 I;d be having a stroke .. but for Rube .. GREAT MOVE ..
and like i said .. he isn't near as bad as this scouting report makes him out to be .. he MAKES PLAYS .... when hes not hurt .. you'll see ..
GREAT MOVE BY OPIE .... is he going to lead us to the promised land?? NOPE ... but he will fill a role and make a play every so often ..
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No everything isn't gold but the move was more than just a trade..it was to free up more cap..if we weren't going to get anything for RD next week , and just release him , people would be screaming...
We get a guy who may not amount to anything OR help out if people get hurt..
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This was a good trade for the simple fact we got something out of Droughns. Most people on here thought we would end up cutting him. There was a market for him ( suprised me) and we were able to take advantage. I gotta give credit to Morg, we didn't get the 4th he said we would but we did get something out of him.
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The more I read up on The Carter, the more I think he won't make the team. I'm reading things like: 1) 9 seasons (including college) and 129 catches, 7 TDs. NFL Career total, 72 Receptions for 967 yards averaging 13.4 yards per catch, 3 TDs, with only 12 catches over 20 yards, (sucks for "speed guy" IMO). 2) Poor route runner. 3) Can't stay on his feet. 4) Averaged over 50% drops the past two years. 5) Poor sideline awareness. 6) "Coach Killer" 7) Would have been cut. (Looks like it was a trade of two players that would've been cut anyway.) 8) Will be competing with Wilson & Cribbs. (Both of which are probably better receivers.) 9) Injury prone. 10) Doesn't do well over the middle. Granted, much is fan opinion, but in many ways he may just be a younger, faster, more injury prone version of Dropcutt. Of course the change of scenery may help, but I'm not gonna bet he makes the team... maybe as a kick returner/special team guy because of his speed but he hasn't returned kicks since '02, (once in '03). Anway, just some food for thought. Sounds like the Giants came out ahead on this trade based on need and potential playing time... Maybe Phil can trade The Carter for the French whore with the genital warts. 
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they could have given us their 6th or 7th round pick.. cmon now.. really.. We don't need to many other SEC guys on this team unless they are red and black by the way.. check the sig!
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No everything isn't gold but the move was more than just a trade..it was to free up more cap..if we weren't going to get anything for RD next week , and just release him , people would be screaming...
We get a guy who may not amount to anything OR help out if people get hurt..
INDEED!
i don't know anything about this TIM guy...but; something was gained for OUR Browns instead of releasing duiDroughns outright?
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Dawg in Dayton, I don't disagree with you very often, but on this point I just have to. And it's not about any argument that I WANT to be involved in, but just listen to what I have to say. You've got to realize something, Droughns was being replaced, gone, we'd have had to PAY HIM for him to leave anyways. He'd have been picked up by a team later on in FA and that would have been that. We would have let Reuben walk for like, 3.25 mill or whatever it was the cap hit would've been. Instead what we did was we found someone, ANYONE who would take Reuben and give us something in return. Instead of having to pay the cap hit just to get nothing from it, we GOT something from it and reduced the cap hit. We weren't looking to bargain with someone because anyone in the NFL would've known to just leave it alone and swoop Reuben up later, but instead, we were able to get SOMETHING out of it. Phil Savage was in no position to be "bartering" for draft picks, wouldn't have happened. NY would've laughed in our faces about that. He took what he could get. It's like seeing someone drop $10 on the street, they notice and see you pick it up, instead of getting nothing, they give you a dollar for giving them the 10 back. You knew you HAD to give it back, but instead of getting no satisfaction for making money by doing nothing, you get SOME of that satisfaction anyways. That's probably a horrible analogy, but I'm sticking to it. Think about it, it makes sense.
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Are you going off of just one single report?
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Carter has very good speed, excellent quickness and good size. He has excellent explosive off the ball and he has the ability and speed to run by defender. He is a deep threat receiver. He has good hands, he will make the hard catch and he has good run after the catch ability. He has good jumping ability and he is not afraid to go up for the ball in a crowd. He has good acceleration, he runs good pass routes and he is crisp coming into and out of his breaks. He has the ability to beat press coverage and he can get good separation from the defender on man coverage. He is a willing blocker but he is more willing than he is a blocker. He takes poor angles and he is often out of position to make a block. The problem with Carter is he has all this speed but he can not translate it into a consistent pass receiver. He lacks consistency in his route running; he does not come out of his break the same and he will round off the cuts and throw the time of the pattern off. He has decent awareness on the field but struggles at time read coverage's. He is not a good route runner against zone and he has difficulty finding the open area. Overall, you are waiting for Carter to break out and take it to a different level but that has not happen yet. Health has been an issue and has slowed some of his development process down but right know he is a better athlete than he is a football player. He has the ability to make a major contribution.
On this team, Edwards, Wilson, Jurevicius and Cribbs all have spots. Since Cribbs is nothing more than a kick returner (that's all he'll ever be) that leaves one spot open at WR.
We kept 5 WR's last year and we'll keep 5 this year. With Dropcutt gone, Carter gets the spot. I think the odds are long that he's not on the team.
Now is anyone saying he's going to be a good WR? Nope, but as the 4th receiver, you don't have to be perfect. Otherwise, you wouldn't be a #4.
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Yesterday I read piece about Green Bay waiting for the Browns to cut Droughns so they would not have to give up anything for him.
Today, this is a much better outcome for the Browns.
Getting a wr for Droughns means another draft pick free to address another area of need. Now the Browns are not forced to address the need left with Northcutt leaving and filling that wr need with Carter, a player Savage obviously has a book on.
No first day WR for the Browns. It still looks like the focus will be on the trenches, come draft day.
Nice move little Sav.
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LOL.....yep...a roster full of Georgia receivers 
Might as well cut off Quniny Morgans thumbs and bring him back.
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LOL.....yep...a roster full of Georgia receivers
Might as well cut off Quniny Morgans thumbs and bring him back.
lol.. Georgia isn't really known for WR's.. so I can't really help you there.. if we had Reggie Brown though.. that would be tight.. o well for that idea..
and about Carter.. this was a dumb trade.. im glad we got something for him.. but the dude sucks.. he may not even make the team.. I'd rather have a UDFA over him.. I'd rather bring Rideau back.. He had lots of potential.. can make great grabs.. and had pretty good hands for a young guy.
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this was a dumb trade.
I'll never understand why people will think this is a dumb trade when we were goign to cut Droughns anyway and have to pay him MORE if we cut him.... so we ended up saving money and picking up a WR that could fill our 4th spot... which is basically just a body on the field...
We got something when we should have OWED something and gotten NOTING... not bad.
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this was a dumb trade.
I'll never understand why people will think this is a dumb trade when we were goign to cut Droughns anyway and have to pay him MORE if we cut him.... so we ended up saving money and picking up a WR that could fill our 4th spot... which is basically just a body on the field...
We got something when we should have OWED something and gotten NOTING... not bad.
If Cribbs and Wilson let this guy come in and take their spot, something is wrong.. Cribbs as a former QB is better than this guy... I dont think he will make the team.
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this was a dumb trade.
I'll never understand why people will think this is a dumb trade when we were goign to cut Droughns anyway and have to pay him MORE if we cut him.... so we ended up saving money and picking up a WR that could fill our 4th spot... which is basically just a body on the field...
We got something when we should have OWED something and gotten NOTING... not bad.
If Cribbs and Wilson let this guy come in and take their spot, something is wrong.. Cribbs as a former QB is better than this guy... I dont think he will make the team.
Why would he take their spot? If anything he'll take Dennis Northcutt's spot in the KR...and that's it. He will ONLY be in if we use 5 WR...maybe.
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ok.. let's look at it this way
1. He doesn't make the team.... we still saved money on the the trade that would have gone to RD and there's no real loss...
2. He makes the team... which means the coaches felt he is a better player than Cribbs/Wilson or that he could be used in ways that they couldn't.... which logically (to me anyway) makes our team just a little better
Either way it's not a blockbuster trade... but honestly when I saw we 'traded' RD I didn't care WHO we got... I was just excited that we didn't have to cut him.
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yea.. im glad it helped as far as the salary cap.. but Droughns is worth more than this guy IMO..
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apparently, he isn't.
He wasn't in our plans for this year... we were going to release him and get nothing... this guy is all we could get. This is all he was worth.
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Thanks for the vid' Caldawg, at least the ground caused the drop, our recievers last year wouldn't have made it that far in the catch  bottom line here is, with Northcutt gone, we needed another reciever on the roster. Like most on here, I did not want to use a draft pick on one this year. This guy had NFL experience. That is a very good thing considering we are grooming three relatively young guys already in Braylon, Wilson & Cribbs. That is the main reason at this point in time I feel this is better than an undrafted free agent some have mention preferring. He also had top end speed. Something our only Vet reciever severely lacks. I really hope that drop was not par the the course with this guy & his lack of playing time was more do to bad luck with injuries. If he is a solid punt returner I like this trade alot more. Cribbs may be fantastic with Kick returns but he scared the hell out of me with punts.
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This was a good trade for the simple fact we got something out of Droughns. Most people on here thought we would end up cutting him. There was a market for him ( suprised me) and we were able to take advantage.
This seems to be the way most posters view the trade.
I wanna give you all something to think about.
Is Carter a better player than Droughns? Will he help the team more than Droughns would have? Was it intelligent to wanna part ways w/Droughns in the first place?
Lord knows, I was not a big fan of RD. But, just to play the devil's advocate...perhaps it would have made sense to keep RD as our second RB and let him have a few series each game? Perhaps he would have been good insurance if JL gets hurt? Perhaps he is a better player than Carter?
I know the money argument will be used. Perhaps that is the case. Then again, I thought that earlier this week, most people were claiming that money was NOT a factor in the decision to keep/release RD?
I am not saying I have the answers to all these questions. It's just something to think about, instead of just saying it was a good move by Savage because we were going to release RD anyway. I wonder if we should be examining if it was a good decision to release RD no matter what? And....if one determines that keeping RD might not have been such a bad idea, did Savage get equal value in return?
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Is Carter a better player than Droughns? Will he help the team more than Droughns would have?
Doesn't matter if we were getting rid of him no matter what...
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Was it intelligent to wanna part ways w/Droughns in the first place?
Now THAT is a better question though.... I personally think it's strange that we gave him an extension last year and traded him (and would have cut him) this year... just doesn't seem like great buisness to me... (unless of course we really are going to go after AP).
I think the question is were we going to get rid of RD no matter what... and really by the looks of the trade (which isn't fantastic) it seems that way, which is why I'm ok with it.... I do think we need to have another option at RB because I'm not sold on Lewis.... but it just felt like we were getting rid of RB no matter what... was it for the money? or did he regress so much that we needed to get rid of him? Who knows....
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I agree, I believe that Reuben would have been more valuable to us as a starter than this guy and I doubt money was an issue in this at all. The savings is minimal and we have mega bucks. The thing is though, Reuben wasn't going to be a starter here. That much was guaranteed the moment we signed Lewis.
If anything, I'd bet it's no more than Droughns asked to be traded or let go and Phil just did what was right. Droughns doesn't have much time left in this league, it's only right to let him go and have a shot at starting somewhere and maybe garnering one last contract. In this situation, holding the guy to the contract would have had very little, if any, benefit. By trading him you do right by the player and earn a little PR Cred as well as freeing up a little cap space. It's win-win all around and we got a new WR to toss into the mix on top of it all.
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I wonder if we should be examining if it was a good decision to release RD no matter what?
I like Droughns and am sad to see him go. My only problems with him were the fact he was so slow (knee surgeries in college) and fumbling those stupid pitches. I don't have much faith in Wright or Harrison at this point. Money should not be an issue with all the cap room we have. I'm hoping that Lewis's poor seasons had to do with him not being able to rehab an injury properly (he was in jail ) and the fact he had bone spurs last year. If he is spent, it would have been nice to have Droughns here to pick up the slack.
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i agree...its entirely possible that droughns asked to be traded when we started looking at lewis....
honestly we could barely run between the tackles last year, if at all...we had no outside runnning game cause droughns was too slow, and our ancient guards couldn't pull...
basically it was stack the box and our running game was over...took away alot of quick passes to the te too....
imo thats the reason winslow was running so many outs, and not quick slants over the middle or splitting the cover 2
now this year they obviously want that outside running game and lewis is quick enough to do it...
getting stien is a clue also...he's more of a quick technique guy...he'll be able to get outside and block downfield...
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I thought the same thing about keeping RD. I can only surmise that either Phil wants one of the young guys to step up or that he felt that since Reuben seems to be a decent enough guy he'd try to get him in a good situation while helping the Browns at the same time.
But I'm in agreement that we'd probably have been better off keeping him. His cap hit this year is really minimal. Or would have been.
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I think the answer is simple. The F.O. soured on Droughns and wanted to go a different direction. I think they were not pleased with his staunch contract demands upon immediate arrival and then legal troubles and running like crap sealed the deal last year. Once Phil inked Lewis, the writing was on the wall and Droughns was expendable... get something for him if you can, either way he's on his way out. I think that was the mentality.
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in regards to your question Vers,
I will agree that between the two RD would most likely give us better production and long term security. In that sense The giants got the better end of this trade.
However, we do not know how RD reacted to the news that Lewis was signed (who most will agree is an upgrade). It might have been that RD was extremely upset and in danger of becoming a locker room cancer (there is no proof for or against this statement). If RD was likely to become a Cancer than we made out because we cut off the head of a viper before it could poison the team.
Not to mention that it saves a savage a little face with other players. Signing RD to big contract two years ago and then relegating him to the bench would not have been a good PR move in league circles, but by allowing RD to go to a team that wants to use him, he saved a little bit of credibility, not much but a little is better than none.
In terms of play on the field, we got the short end of the stick, but in terms of how this will affect our locker room dynamics, this tradfe will make up for this in the long run.
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We are going to sign a RB in the draft anyway. Peterson most likely will be a Brown IMO. But if not then with all the RB in FA.....there will be some solid RB's in the 3rd and 4th rounds.
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I liked RD's running style. it was so much fun to watch mack run over folks in the 80's, so it was fun to see that running style back on the browns.
I think that most of the RD pimps (Me, toad, etc..) knew that he was a temporary bandaid, not an elite runner. he usually had decient blitz pickup ability and blocking skills. green, suggs, and joe what's his name just where not getting anything done here, we needed some help.
I'm glad that we where able to send him somewhere where he can still produce. good luck, reuben!
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I would have kept Droughns on board instead of potentiallly cutting/trading him. If we DON'T draft peterson not keeping Droughns would definitely be a mistake. I dunno if we had a choice though, may be Reuben told Phil to get rid of him if he's not going to start.
So i guess we got what we could. And that's a potential downfield threat/returner. I'm thinking we're gonna have Carter in the PR auditioning. I don't think Cribbs is capable of returning punts and Carter might be the guy (otherwise Harrison). But yeah, we got a guy with alot of speed which i guess is something we don't have between Edwards (fast but not a burner), Wilson (possession guy), Jurevicious (possession guy), and Cribbs (slasher guy).
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That's a fair point Versatile Dawg.
Looking at our roster today one might say we would've been better off keeping Droughns as insurance.
After the Draft in April, I'm willing to bet this move makes a lot more sense.
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