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I'm saying that he was the scapegoat.
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He was the scapegoat and he was also awful.
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If we sign Flacco we have no first round pick.
Good point...
Fine, Sign Nnamdi, Flacco, and BOTH Ravens LBers and trade for Rhodes 
That makes Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder look like Tom Heckert.
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Maybe the Nnamdi part... But rarely did Snyder types spend money on players in their prime..
Usually Snyder went after old names.
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My point is how many teams do we know of that won it all via free agent spending spree?
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Yeah, I don't think free for all free agent spending is the answer at all.
To me, signing a guy like we did back when we signed Orpheus Roye is the the we should be looking at. He was a younger player, who was emerging and coming into his own. We signed him at 27, and he was an effective player for us until he hit 34 or so ...... even though we kept changing defenses.
Another guy who was an excellent free agent signing was Jamal Lewis. He was an excellent piece that could be plugged in and he just fit from day 1. He was 28, which is a little old for a RB, but we got 2 really high quality years out of him, plus part of a 3rd.
Ben Watson is yet another quality free agent signing that worked out well for us, as was Jamir Miller.
None of these guys were the top player on the market in the years we signed them ..... but they were all very good players for us in their time here. They were carefully considered for their degree of fit with the rest of the team. I think that's the key. Many teams use free agency to fill some holes so they can use the draft to get the best possible player regardless of position.The key is to not go so far overboard that you cannot sustain the team you are trying to build. I remember the 2001 Patriots using free agency to a great degree, but they filled holes carefully, instead f giving out mega-contracts left and right. I think that is the key, if you are going to use free agency ...... to use it as a scalpel, not as a hammer.
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I've always thought that you build your base/foundation from the Draft and fill in with FA's and the occasional trade.
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To an extent that's true, but if you draft for need, rather than trying to find the best players, you wind up with a team filled with 2nd rate players, because you can wind up passing over better players in order to fill holes.
Fill holes with specific free agents and then you go into the draft able to concentrate on finding the best possible players. That's my preference.
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To an extent that's true, but if you draft for need, rather than trying to find the best players, you wind up with a team filled with 2nd rate players, because you can wind up passing over better players in order to fill holes.
Fill holes with specific free agents and then you go into the draft able to concentrate on finding the best possible players. That's my preference.
I guess that might be the disconnect between us, I don't equate building your foundation as drafting for need.. I think if you get enough "best in position" players, you will eventually have a very solid well built foundation to which you can add a piece and part.
Kinda like the Ravens added Bolden or how we added Roye or Watson. either of those two guys come along at the right time, it's a whole different history of this team.
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If you find greatest talent in the draft type players, though, you can win championships.
Great players always find the field, regardless of who is playing ahead of them.
If you were drafting a few years ago ...... and you really needed a WR for this team ...... (which we did) but you had the opportunity to grab a truly great player at another position ..... which would be the right move? Would you want the top ranked player at another spot ..... or the best WR, who might be the 10th best player in the draft?
It would be like the speculation that the Chefs might go QB with the 1st overall pick. They are desperate at the position, but there is no QB worth the 1st overall pick this year .... even with the premium given the position. Do they force the pick, or do they take a great player elsewhere?
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It would be like the speculation that the Chefs might go QB with the 1st overall pick. They are desperate at the position, but there is no QB worth the 1st overall pick this year .... even with the premium given the position. Do they force the pick, or do they take a great player elsewhere?
With Albert ready to walk in free agency, the Chiefs need a LT and they're in the position to draft the best one in the draft. They'll draft Luke Joeckel and smile as they're doing it. It would not surprise me to find KC going out and picking up a QB in free agency or via trade and not drafting one at all. They may simply go a year with whatever they can put together to compete for the job this year and look to getting a QB next year.
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Just went and found this at Fox Sports.
Report: Chiefs pursuing Nick Foles
I know, the Eagles are in no hurry to trade Foles (at this time) and may not do so at all, but it adds to my view that the Chiefs are looking outside of the draft for their QB.
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If they're smart, they'll keep Quinn as their QB, bomb this year, and secure the #1...
Which they could trade and STILL pick up a solid QB next year most likely...
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If they're smart, they'll keep Quinn as their QB, bomb this year, and secure the #1...
Remembering how some wanted us to do that to get Barkley. If we had, This may have been the draft to trade the number one pick.
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If they're smart, they'll keep Quinn as their QB, bomb this year, and secure the #1...
Remembering how some wanted us to do that to get Barkley. If we had, This may have been the draft to trade the number one pick.
That was when people thought Barkley was good... Dude lost a lot of money (even in the new CBA) by staying another year...
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If they're smart, they'll keep Quinn as their QB, bomb this year, and secure the #1...
Remembering how some wanted us to do that to get Barkley. If we had, This may have been the draft to trade the number one pick.
That was when people thought Barkley was good... Dude lost a lot of money (even in the new CBA) by staying another year...
When some people thought he was good.
My nickname for him last year was "Barely". This year it dowsn't even matter, because he's barely on anyone's radar high in the draft.
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If you ignore the fact that had he come out last year we would of taken him at 4...
And now he's being talked as a 2nd rounder...
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If you ignore the fact that had he come out last year we would of taken him at 4...
And now he's being talked as a 2nd rounder...
I might have had a stroke if we had taken him at 4. I wanted no part of him last year, and I want less part of him this year.
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That was when people thought Barkley was good..
Maybe the old regime didn't think so...Picking up Weeden may have been a better thing than what some think. If we needed to draft a QB now we would be like a hockey puck..cold on ice getting slapped around.
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We were ganna trade up for RG3, why would we pass on what (at the time) was considered the next best guy in the draft?
Hell if Barkley had come out, he might of went #2...
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We were ganna trade up for RG3, why would we pass on what (at the time) was considered the next best guy in the draft?
Hell if Barkley had come out, he might of went #2...
I don't see Barkley going 2nd in last year's draft. He was well behind RG3. He might have edged out Tannehill for 3rd QB taken, but I see almost no chance that he would have gone 2nd.
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Like you I am not and never have been a big Barkley fan. However, had he come out last year (and things might have changed with the combine results, pro day workouts etc) he most likely would have been the #2 Qb off the board and we would have been "stuck" with RGII at #4.
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The RG3 hype didn't start until Luck was a #1 lock to Indy, and Barkley decided to stay...
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First of all, that stuff about Griffin getting no hype before Barkley returning is just not true.
Also, if Barkley had entered the draft, we'd probably have taken griffin at 4. Shanahan gave up what he did because he felt he had no other option. Griffin or Barkley plus two first rounders and a second rounder? I like Griffin a lot, I was very clear about that last year, but I think I would take that second option, especially if we were still in wco like Shanahan primarily runs.
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First of all, that stuff about Griffin getting no hype before Barkley returning is just not true.
I didn't mean NO hype... He won the Heisman afterall...
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That's my point.. People didn't focus on Griffin until Barkley was gone, and once they did he shot straight up...
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I disagree. I felt at the time the rgiii hype is why Barkley went back
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Yep. Barkley didn't want to be the 3rd or 4th QB off the board.
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Hell if Barkley had come out, he might of went #2...
I think this demonstrates why you should never fall so in love with a player that you give up too much for him.
I don't believe that Washington will see true value on RG3,, I mean, yeah yeah he's exciting. He's fun to watch and one helluva QB.. I won't question his heart or skill set and physical ability. What I will question is his durability.
They gave up a boat load of money and lots of pics for him. Too much in my opinion.
Had we done that for Bradford when we had the chance (and people on here were killing Holmgren for not making that happen) we'd have had another kid that may or may not make it.
In recent years, there is really only one QB worth going that far out on a limb for,, Andrew Luck.. That's about it.
Aaron Rogers would have been another one but most folks thought that Alex Smith was far superior.. That didn't exactly turn out as fact.
Every player is a crap shoot.. I think we all know that. So throwing a bunch of picks and money at an unknown. just doesn't make a ton of sense to me, yet I'd have done it for Luck.
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From PFT:
Report: Raiders expected to release Rolando McClain
Posted by Mike Wilkening on March 6, 2013, 9:17 PM EST
The Raiders appear ready to let go of their most recent first-round pick.
According to Vic Tafur of the San Francisco Chronicle, “all indications are” the Raiders will release middle linebacker Rolando McClain on Tuesday, the start of the 2013 league year. Per the Chronicle report, releasing McClain on Tuesday will result in a salary-cap hit of more than $7 million, but the penalty can be taken over two seasons.
Just 23, McClain has started 38 games in three seasons for Oakland. However, he served a two-game team suspension for detrimental conduct, and he has had multiple off-field incidents.
The first linebacker and fifth defensive player taken in the 2010 draft, McClain could get some looks simply on the promise he showed in the not-so-distant past at the University of Alabama. He’s also two seasons removed from a 99-tackle, five-sack season for the Raiders. Nevertheless, if indeed he’s released, it will be an inglorious development for a player drafted after Joe Haden and before C.J. Spiller a little less than three years ago.
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Chiefs Cut RT Eric Winston When Chiefs right tackle Eric Winston recently lamented the looming departure of quarterback Matt Cassel, we suggested that Winston could still suffer the same fate. And now he is. Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Chiefs are releasing Winston. He’ll hit the free agent market immediately, a few days before it opens. Winston was due to earn a base salary of $4.9 million in 2013. He signed with the Chiefs after being cut last year by the Texans. Because he received an $8.4 million signing bonus, the acceleration results in a $6.3 million cap charge. That’s still $700,000 lower than it would have been if Winston had stayed — and also $4.9 million cheaper. With an $8.4 million signing bonus and a $900,000 salary in 2012, Winston earned $9.3 million in one year with the Chiefs. The move gives the Chiefs the flexibility to take Luke Joeckel with the first pick in the 2013 draft, and then to move Joeckel or Branden Albert to the right side. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/06/chiefs-release-eric-winston/
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can we finally be done with the "Winston is a solid RT" stories then?
he was terrible for KC, almost beaten out for the job by a nobody, then played terribly.
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Cardinals cut Adrian Wilson ( link). Panthers cut Chris Gamble (cue the Ohio State honks, link). Jaguars cut Dawan Landry ( link ). Jaguars cut Aaron Ross ( link).
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Wilson of Zona...I am not sure if anything has happened to him over the last couple of years. Like I'm sure other teams fans with us...Zona wasn't winning much so outside of maybe QB talk n Fitz - didn't learn much of Zona.
But Wilson no too long ago was one of The best Safeties???
For some reason though I don't think he is a FS our major need. Still was this like 5-6 years ago...n its like old age stuff where that seems like yesterday as time flies 
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Yeah, he was once one of the very best SS in the league ...... but he's slowed down quite a bit, and he would stand no chance at FS.
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Too bad...yeah I haven't heard about him much last couple of seasons. Just remember a hilight of last season him making a big time whiff at the wrong time.
yep...FS. I was envisioning Champ Bailey for some reason after the playoff game...like day dreaming presents for the Browns...Woodson was the real dream thing but I don't hear us mentioned. Sheldon Brown? But he seemed to be insulted last year when that came up n he's gone anyways.
CB, FS, 2 DE's, TE, maybe a LB? but need those first 5 I thought more urgently from FA.
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