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I hope so. i'm amazed his tape was so good when his numbers were poor. you have to have upper body strength to get past the OTs in the NFL, for instance.
I was very high on him based on tape from the season, so I hope the agility numbers are more of a bearing on what he can do in the NFL.
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According to today's Plain Dealer Jones is medically cleared and does not have stenosis. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/03/georgia_lb_jarvis_jones_possib.htmlFrom my perspective Jarvis Jones medically cleared means get him. He is a superb football player. He has played against top competition and there is tape to verify his performance. He is not learning a new position and played for Todd Grantham a 3-4 pro guy ( former Romeo DC @ Cleveland). Ansuh to me is a big risk. No doubt he is an athlete. However, pro linemen make a living with technique. Ansuh will struggle and most likely be a situational pass rusher until he learns the pro game. Mingo and Jordan who knows? I like Jordan and believe he will do well after he adds weight and learns to fight off blocks against the run. Mingo don't really know his game.
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I am horribly concerned about a guy who only started playing football 2 years ago, and is raw as a freshly slaughtered cow.
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From my perspective Jarvis Jones medically cleared means get him. He is a superb football player. He has played against top competition and there is tape to verify his performance.
He is not learning a new position and played for Todd Grantham a 3-4 pro guy ( former Romeo DC @ Cleveland).
Ansuh to me is a big risk. No doubt he is an athlete. However, pro linemen make a living with technique. Ansuh will struggle and most likely be a situational pass rusher until he learns the pro game.
Mingo and Jordan who knows? I like Jordan and believe he will do well after he adds weight and learns to fight off blocks against the run. Mingo don't really know his game.
I absolutely agree. Everyone talks about JPP, but JPP is not your normal situation. How about that guy from years back, Vlad Duccaise. He hadn't played much ball (from the town next to me actually), got drafted by the Jets, and was a total failure.
I've seen Jones do his thing, the guy's really good. He makes plays all the time. I don't really care much for combine stuff. No idea how he did in it. What I do know is that if he's there at number 6, we've got pretty much a sure fire thing. That's the way I like to draft. I felt that way about Joe Haden when we got him (I had watched the guy play in college, he was very good, I knew that), I felt the same way about Trent Richardson. I don't really know most of the other guys, but I have watched Jarvis Jones, and he is a stud.
No medical spine issue, sounds great. Number one guy on my list.
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Jarvis Jones, and he is a stud.
No medical spine issue, sounds great. Number one guy on my list.
Amen He has always been number one on my list ... 
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I'm thinking the more needs we fill through free agency the more likely it is we trade down in the draft.
For instance if we sign Avril/Kruger and a couple of corners, the guys who will be available to us with our pick won't have huge value to us. I think it sets up perfectly for a trade down.
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I'm thinking the more needs we fill through free agency the more likely it is we trade down in the draft.
For instance if we sign Avril/Kruger and a couple of corners, the guys who will be available to us with our pick won't have huge value to us. I think it sets up perfectly for a trade down.
How great would it be to lock down a few nice young defenders, and trade back, get back into round 2, and maybe grab one of the ND or Stanford TE's?
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My thoughts exactly. It seems like many of the safeties are supposed to go late first round/early second as well.
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Browns need to drive up the price on all of these free agents that they may not be interested in. Get our pass rushing OLB, even with their concerns in the draft. Honestly, would rather just see us extend Mack, Lauvao, Haden and Ward and stay out of free agency.
I think Badmoon, Garfumble, Lecharles Bentley, Gary Baxter and a slew of other disasters just takes the fun out of free agency for me. Hell that is probably why I was thrilled when Heckert stuck to building through draft and not killing us with a free agent disaster.
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I think Badmoon, Garfumble, Lecharles Bentley, Gary Baxter and a slew of other disasters just takes the fun out of free agency for me. Hell that is probably why I was thrilled when Heckert stuck to building through draft and not killing us with a free agent disaster.
And let's not forget the all-pro G Tres' Johnson in the mix. His knee never healed...
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And let's not forget the all-pro G Tres' Johnson in the mix. His knee never healed...
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Yes he was. I saw him that year at training camp and had my hopes set very high for his addition to the OL.
We've just really had some awful luck in many of our top FA signings.
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I'm the opposite. With the new pay scale for rookies, I would hope we get Kruger, and still draft Jones at 6. This would be a major upgrade to the defense.
I'm tired of trading down to get players. I want the best guys in the draft, not some VALUE player in another round. Studs make teams good, we need studs.
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I'm tired of trading down to get players. I want the best guys in the draft, not some VALUE player in another round. Studs make teams good, we need studs.
LOl.....I won't argue with that.
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If the Lions are dumb enough to let Avirl go, which they are, I say go after him. He had 29 sacks over the past 3 seasons. Avril can also play OLB, which he played at Purdue.
And playing in the Wide 9 Defense may help in the transition to a 3-4 OLB?
Avril would be a great addition, I just hope we don't break the bank for one player ... JMHO 
Being a Browns fan living in Metro Detroit I hear about the freaking Lions a lot. They play the wide 9 which is not great against the run. So don't believe the stuff about Avril not being able to stop the run. He was playing for the freaking Lions who have a hard time stopping anything on defense.
Someone who's had 29 sacks the past 3 seasons would be a good addition for the Browns. Detroit is letting Avril go not because his production is going down, or he's past his prime, it's because they don't want to pay him the money he is worth. Something they have a history of doing.
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I have been saying this for some time now. This team needs some players who are real difference makers.
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I'm tired of trading down to get players. I want the best guys in the draft, not some VALUE player in another round. Studs make teams good, we need studs.
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I'm getting tired of trading down.
Just a prediction, we sign Avril.
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I know he will be very expensive, but Avril has a better track record than Kruger does (Kruger won't be cheap either). Although Avril has only played in a 4-3.
What worries me, if we were to sign Avril, is that both our outside linebackers (Sheard) would have no pro experience in the 3-4. I wouldn't be against using the 6th pick on the best rusher even if we sign Avril (or Kruger). It would give the defense great versatility and keep guys fresh throughout the season. Also, imagine having Avril and Sheard with their hands in the ground, with Jordan/Jones blitzing on third and long. That's a recipe for a scary defense.
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For instance if we sign Avril/Kruger and a couple of corners, the guys who will be available to us with our pick won't have huge value to us. I think it sets up perfectly for a trade down.
My thoughts to a T.
By this weekend we should have a real good idea of what may transpire.
Any combination of 2 CB's should eliminate the "Need" for a Milliner or Rhodes.
Kruger or Avril may eliminate the OLB "Need". Although I'm getting a lil' pumped about the thought of an Avril across from a Jones or Jordan. That would send our Pass Rush to the Moon.
If we move down a Kenny Vaccaro may be in play. And if we move down enough we may just end up with someones second rounder and their #1 in 2014.
I would FREAK-OUT if we could move down to 8 or 9 and get a 2nd rounder and still land JONES.
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4 guys I hope we make high priority starting today at 4pm.
Myers TE (AVG $)
Avril OLB (Pay this guy and be done with it)
Lewis CB (Shouldn't be more than an AVG of 6 or 7M)
Cason CB (AVG $)
It's being said that even though Pitt is talking to Lewis that they are resigned to the fact that he will test the waters starting today.
POUNCE on this Lombardi. Make up his mind FOR him.
One thing is obvious here with the players we are going after. This regime sees the talent on this team and recognize that many are in their 2nd and 3rd years in the league.
Like Lombardi and Banner or not, they have determined that it is time to supplement this roster with some experience and Veteran Leadership. And these guys aren't on the wrong side of 30. They're coming off their Rookie contracts and ready to hit their prime.
Like Heckert or not, he left us in PERFECT shape going forward. And we will continue to build through the draft.
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4 PM rolled around and I got all excited for news on signings. Then I remembered I live in Thailand and had 11 more hours of waiting ahead of me.  It sounds like the FO is planning on signing a top-tier OLB, a mid level CB, and a few average players at other positions. We'll see how things shake out.
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We're CLOSE to landing KrugerReport: Browns “closing in” on deal with Paul Kruger Posted by Darin Gantt on March 12, 2013, 10:15 AM EDT It appears Ravens outside linebacker Paul Kruger’s going to be one of the first names off the board this afternoon, when the free agency period opens at 4 p.m. In fact, he may be close already. According to Aaron Wilson of the Baltimore Sun, the Browns “are closing in,” on a deal with Kruger, while noting that “nothing official yet of course.” Of course, because that would be illegal, and the exact kind of pre-arranged deal the league was careful to scare teams out of making. The Ravens covered themselves for the eventual loss of Kruger by drafting Courtney Upshaw, but the Browns will view it as a double dip, adding a pass-rush specialist to their defense while weakening a division rival. Once it becomes official, of course. Which it can’t be. Officially.
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We'll see if these are the same sources who had us landing Chip Kelly.
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I would welcome Kruger with open arms ... we need his pass rushing ability, then draft Jarvis Jones and say look out QB's ... JMHO 
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Very, very good start if we'd land Kruger
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Report: Browns “closing in” on deal with Paul Kruger
Posted by Darin Gantt on March 12, 2013, 10:15 AM EDT It appears Ravens outside linebacker Paul Kruger’s going to be one of the first names off the board this afternoon, when the free agency period opens at 4 p.m.
In fact, he may be close already.
According to Aaron Wilson of the Baltimore Sun, the Browns “are closing in,” on a deal with Kruger, while noting that “nothing official yet of course.”
Of course, because that would be illegal, and the exact kind of pre-arranged deal the league was careful to scare teams out of making.
The Ravens covered themselves for the eventual loss of Kruger by drafting Courtney Upshaw, but the Browns will view it as a double dip, adding a pass-rush specialist to their defense while weakening a division rival.
Once it becomes official, of course. Which it can’t be. Officially.
This makes me happy. Officially. ;-)
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So what do we expect to happen regarding Avril if we sign Kruger at 4:01 PM? The FO wouldn't be targeting BOTH of them... would they? Personally I was higher on Avril and would be sad to see us let him go somewhere else.
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I'm in the group that's not too crazy about Kruger and Avril. I'm uneasy about tying that much cap into these guys. I understand we have to spend money somewhere, but Kruger and Avril both would be LOLB guys. That's where we're putting Sheard. I think The mid-rounds have some terrific pass rushers with less question marks than the first round guys in this draft. Long term I want to make sure we can sign Haden, Ward, Mack, Little, and Taylor (and Sheard if he can convert successfully) to long-term deals. I think all these guys are better players than Kruger. The money Kruger is going to get, he'd better be one of our top two pass-rushers. After the draft, I'm not so sure he will be. If it's Avril... I hope the guy can play LB.
I don't know, maybe I've been brainwashed over the years that big money in Free Agency isn't the way to go. And this is from someone who championed Kruger in the 2nd in 2009.
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I'm in the group that's not too crazy about Kruger and Avril. I'm uneasy about tying that much cap into these guys. I understand we have to spend money somewhere, but Kruger and Avril both would be LOLB guys. That's where we're putting Sheard. I think The mid-rounds have some terrific pass rushers with less question marks than the first round guys in this draft. Long term I want to make sure we can sign Haden, Ward, Mack, Little, and Taylor (and Sheard if he can convert successfully) to long-term deals. I think all these guys are better players than Kruger. The money Kruger is going to get, he'd better be one of our top two pass-rushers. After the draft, I'm not so sure he will be. If it's Avril... I hope the guy can play LB.
I don't know, maybe I've been brainwashed over the years that big money in Free Agency isn't the way to go. And this is from someone who championed Kruger in the 2nd in 2009.
First of all, I expect Sheard to be gone. I'd rather just trade him now and get something for him. I highly doubt he's going to be able to play OLB. He looks like a 4-3 End to me..nothing else.
As for Kruger/Avrill. I'd much rather sink money into Avrill. Kruger is not going to have the benefit of Terrell Suggs on the other side of him here. Avrill has also been more consistent. I think Avrill is worth the money... but Kruger might prove to be the worst contract of the 2013 off-season. Really hope this one isn't true...
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Right......?
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That's exactly what I mean tho. There shouldn't be a scenario where we would sign both Kruger and Avril in my mind. If anyone thinks otherwise I'd be interested in hearing about it.
If we were 2 pass rushers away, maybe. But I think they want to sign 1 in Free Agency and draft another one with the 6th pick. Seems to make the most sense to me..
I really wanted those players to be Avrill and Mingo but it's starting to look like they're not going in that direction...
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Don't see Sheard going anywhere, and looks like the Colts are the front runner for Avril.
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I'm not saying Sheard is going anywhere but Charlie Casserly just said if we wanted to move Sheard we could get a 1st round pick for him.
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As for Kruger/Avrill. I'd much rather sink money into Avrill. Kruger is not going to have the benefit of Terrell Suggs on the other side of him here.
Maybe the thought process is that we are going to get our Suggs at #6. Lots of options for that position there. Maybe pick of the litter (although I think Jordan could go before we pick)
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Out of curiosity... Where exactly DO you see Sheard playing? Horton ran 4 Down Lineman sets on just 5% of the snaps in Arizona. If they really thought Sheard was going to be an OLB in this system... they wouldn't be sinking huge money into Kruger/Avrill and they wouldn't be looking at drafting another OLB like Jones/Mingo/Jordan/Moore, etc with the 6th pick.
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