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I think that's too much value we've given up.
Maybe the #6 and our 5th rounder for #12, their 2nd rounder, Their 5th rounder and Bess.
For clarity, I didn't say trade #6 for #12 and Bess straight up. I included "and what ever else we would have gotten". We would get more than just Bess but I used a generality and left out specifics because they were irrelevant to the post.
The talk isn't about 1st rounder. The talk is us giving the Fins a mid round pick or two.
Just a FYI
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JC Report: Browns want into top 3 for a pass-rusher Might as well go ahead and make all the mock drafts (more) fruitless early in the day. According to Albert Breer of the NFL Network, the “rumor out there” is that the Browns want to move up into the top three picks, from their current sixth slot. The thinking is that they want to get in front of the Eagles (fourth) and Lions (fifth) to get the pass-rusher they covet. And since Browns CEO Joe Banner has insight into the Eagles front office from his days there, he has a clear sense of what they need and what general manager Howie Roseman values. If they’re third, they’d miss out on no more than one of the top prospects there, as the Chiefs are expected to take an offensive lineman, and no one’s clear whether the Jaguars in the second spot go tackle or find a Leo for new coach Gus Bradley’s defense. Such a move would put the Browns in position for perhaps Dion Jordan or Ziggy Ansah or Barkevious Mingo, as the annual run on guys who get to the quarterback begins. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/25/report-browns-want-into-top-3-for-a-pass-rusher/
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how can you post this and then post that video in the final thoughts thread where Banner says in that video? you are killing me...  at least I saw in video where he said there are no super star QB's a, obvious top picks PASS RUSHERS or big type recivers calvin johnson that are conspicious and exciting. I don't see the Browns moving up. I don't see us taking a QB I see Millner and that's it at 6
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how can you post this and then post that video in the final thoughts thread where Banner says in that video? you are killing me...
at least I saw in video where he said there are no super star QB's a, obvious top picks PASS RUSHERS or big type recivers calvin johnson that are conspicious and exciting.
I don't see the Browns moving up. I don't see us taking a QB I see Millner and that's it at 6
I have no clue what you are attempting to say, but don't confuse me posting an article or a video as it correlates with my opinion, rather, an attempt to provide fans with news as it's related to the Browns.
But feel free to clarify yourself in how "I'm killing you".
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Trade UP?! Why?!
3 LTs are ganna be gone by 6, minimum of 2..
Milliner might be gone as well, also Floyd..
That's 4-5 guys, and NONE of them being an OLB...
Trading up would be such a waste...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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We know. We are just saying that perhaps Bess will be part of a trade that swaps 1st round picks rather than us just trading a pick straight up for him.
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Milliner or Jordan at 6, with no trade down. The three tackles are likely going in the top 5, that leaves Milliner, Jordan, Ziggy or Mingo there at #6. To trade up would be completely stupid. Mayock has us taking Geno at 6 with Milliner & Jordan still on the board. Million dollar question: How PO'd will I be if that happens?
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how can you post this and then post that video in the final thoughts thread where Banner says in that video? you are killing me...
But feel free to clarify yourself in how "I'm killing you".
because you posted two things that contradict each other
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A real good video interview with Joe Banner.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...ff-492718686c19
and the article above...
my reply was humor not to meant to be taken literally (that's why i put the smiley face) and also why I said you were killing me LOL
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Day of the Draft......I really believe reporters make up stuff just to create a story....nows the time when being accurate dosent count.....you can make stuff up and always come back with an excuse why it didnt happen...
Lets not believe everything we hear, only what we see actually happen,
Make a trade than I'll believe it or worry about it.
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how can you post this and then post that video in the final thoughts thread where Banner says in that video? you are killing me...
But feel free to clarify yourself in how "I'm killing you".
because you posted two things that contradict each other
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A real good video interview with Joe Banner.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...ff-492718686c19
and the article above...
my reply was humor not to meant to be taken literally (that's why i put the smiley face) and also why I said you were killing me LOL
Tons of chatter and reports contradict each other. It's the draft. But again to paraphrase something Joe said- you have to weight the value of the pick you're at. Is it better to say, trade down, or trade up. The minute you look at scenarios, you possibly lose out on the best value.
Also, with the Eagles....Banner has been a part of trade ups in the early part of the draft than trade downs.
Bottom line is anything can happen. And if there is someone this group really wants, I really have no big issue moving up.... Get the guy you think is a game changer, just be RIGHT about it.
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I would be SHOCKED if Philly went for a pass rusher first. They're pretty much loaded at 3-4 edge rusher:
Trent Cole
Connor Barwin
Brandon Graham (who has finally started to catch on)
Vinny Curry
Everrette Brown
Phillip Hunt
They have a terrible OL and Cary Williams and Brandon Boykin as their top corners. They need another 5T DE opposite Cox, so Star would seem like a natural fit. Why would we be jumping Philly?
I could see Detroit. They desperately need DEs.
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I don't like to wish my life away, but I'll be glad when 8:00PM finally rolls around. All this back and forth has my head spinning. 
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I don't like to wish my life away, but I'll be glad when 8:00PM finally rolls around. All this back and forth has my head spinning.
Same here Peen ... 
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I don't like to wish my life away, but I'll be glad when 8:00PM finally rolls around. All this back and forth has my head spinning.
These guys are doing a masterful job of blowing smoke up people's arse's. They have the 'experts' thinking the sky is pink right now.
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Make a trade than I'll believe it or worry about it.
Yes, that's when I have my worry scheduled too. 
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We know. We are just saying that perhaps Bess will be part of a trade that swaps 1st round picks rather than us just trading a pick straight up for him.
I could totally see this happening, and I would be OK with it.
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Stay off? I took the day off for this ...  
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I will be in and out friday and Saturday (Church and Family obligations) so I'm not missing anything today ... 
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The Ryan Mallett rumors won't die. Link Quote:
The Browns have called the New England Patriots to inquire about the possibility of trading for backup quarterback Ryan Mallett, the Boston Herald reported today.
The Patriots want at least a second-round draft pick in exchange for Mallett, a third-round selection (No. 74 overall) in 2011, according to the report. The Browns don’t have a second-round pick this year, so they would need to acquire one in a separate trade or offer a future one to pull off such a deal.
The NFL Draft begins at 8 p.m. today.
Reports out of Boston linking Mallett to the Browns popped up in December and have continued to surface every couple of months since. Patriots coach Bill Belichick has a close relationship with new Browns General Manager Mike Lombardi, who raved about Mallett heading into the 2011 draft while serving as an analyst for NFL Network.
The Browns have Brandon Weeden, 29, penciled in as their starting quarterback, but it wouldn’t be surprising if the new regime continues to look for someone else at the position. Stuck behind Tom Brady, Mallett, 24, has attempted only four career passes in the regular season.
“I think Ryan improved a lot last year,” Belichick said in March at the NFL owners meeting. “I think he really had a good season. I think he was obviously, like every player that came out in the ’11 draft was slowed by the lack of preparation heading into the season [because of the NFL lockout]. But last year, I thought he really performed well.”
When asked about other teams possibly trying to trade for the 6-foot-6, 245-pound Mallett, Belichick said, “I couldn’t comment on that. I’m glad he plays for our team.”
What if trade down acquire an extra two, draft an outside linebacker, trade Sheard for another two, then trade one of those second round picks for Mallett? I would be okay with that unlikely scenario.
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The Browns have called the New England Patriots to inquire about the possibility of trading for backup quarterback Ryan Mallett, the Boston Herald reported today.
The Patriots want at least a second-round draft pick in exchange for Mallett, a third-round selection (No. 74 overall) in 2011, according to the report. The Browns don’t have a second-round pick this year, so they would need to acquire one in a separate trade or offer a future one to pull off such a deal.
The NFL Draft begins at 8 p.m. today.
Reports out of Boston linking Mallett to the Browns popped up in December and have continued to surface every couple of months since. Patriots coach Bill Belichick has a close relationship with new Browns General Manager Mike Lombardi, who raved about Mallett heading into the 2011 draft while serving as an analyst for NFL Network.
The Browns have Brandon Weeden, 29, penciled in as their starting quarterback, but it wouldn’t be surprising if the new regime continues to look for someone else at the position. Stuck behind Tom Brady, Mallett, 24, has attempted only four career passes in the regular season.
“I think Ryan improved a lot last year,” Belichick said in March at the NFL owners meeting. “I think he really had a good season. I think he was obviously, like every player that came out in the ’11 draft was slowed by the lack of preparation heading into the season [because of the NFL lockout]. But last year, I thought he really performed well.”
When asked about other teams possibly trying to trade for the 6-foot-6, 245-pound Mallett, Belichick said, “I couldn’t comment on that. I’m glad he plays for our team.”
What if trade down acquire an extra two, draft an outside linebacker, trade Sheard for another two, then trade one of those second round picks for Mallett? I would be okay with that unlikely scenario.
He is not worth a 2 maybe a 4 ...JMHO 
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To be fair, we don't know what he is worth because we have never seen him play. He could be worth three first round picks for all we know.
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To be fair, we don't know what he is worth because we have never seen him play. He could be worth three first round picks for all we know.
They only used a 3 to draft him, they sound like they are being a little greedy, + we drafted Colt with a 3 and got less in return and he had multiple starts ... 
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Everyone knows what McCoy is, Mallett has "potential."
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It seems as though no one in the know knows what we are doing. Are we trading up or down? Taking Mingo or Jordan or Milliner? Geno Smith?
Let's hope the people running the team know what they are doing.
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Everyone knows what McCoy is, Mallett has "potential."
"Potential" Now there is a word ...
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J/K If Mallet is worth a 2nd round pick....than Weeden is worth a 1st round pick Just saying 
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Everyone knows what McCoy is, Mallett has "potential."
"Potential" Now there is a word ...
That makes for a great drinking game.
Take a drink every time one of the analysts says the word "potential" tonight.
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If Mallet is worth a 2nd round pick....than Weeden is worth a 1st round pick
Just saying
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The big problem is Mallett's contract is only 3 years. Now I will say this on Ryan Mallett, I agreed with Lombardi that Mallett was the best QB in that draft. Would a 4th and a Weeden who still has 4 years on his contract to back up Brady be enough to get Mallett out of Boston?
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Would a 4th and a Weeden who still has 4 years on his contract to back up Brady be enough to get Mallett out of Boston?
No way.
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If you don't think that Weeden will eventually be a playoff caliper QB, then we need to draft one. Trading down and getting a corner/QB pair is the best option in my opinion.
I just do not see enough work ethic and leadership qualities from Weeden. I really don't care which QB we get (1st or 3rd round pick) but I would like to develop true competition for the starting job.
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If you don't think that Weeden will eventually be a playoff caliper QB, then we need to draft one. Trading down and getting a corner/QB pair is the best option in my opinion.
I just do not see enough work ethic and leadership qualities from Weeden. I really don't care which QB we get (1st or 3rd round pick) but I would like to develop true competition for the starting job.
May the best man win
The only way you should take a QB early, no matter what you think of the current guy, is if you think that the guy you draft can be a playoff caliber QB. I don't see this guy this year.
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Just think..Monday will be able to start talking about what QB were gonna pick in the first round next April.
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Just think..Monday will be able to start talking about what QB were gonna pick in the first round next April.
Some are already talking about it.
I will say this ... the Browns certainly haven't tipped their hand in any regard about anything. According to reports, we literally could trade down and pick up extra picks ..... or trade away almost all of our picks to trade up and trade for other players.
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Good Lord, it's only 2pm and I can't keep up with the forum!
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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Once we make a pick the board isn't worth trying to keep up with. By the time you've made a post there are already 20 new ones.
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