DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum FO changes. Part 2

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You keep acting like you have inside information. Wanna clarify that? I don't really consider Insider information from journalists all that legit. You might want to add "possibly," or "rumor has it," to your declarations. Unless, of course, you know someone who has had access to all those meetings.

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Lets establish something right now,because I knew sooner or later, you'd find your way to challenge something.. I post things like I always have. if U have a issue with it, that is your problem not mine.
I don't have to add or subtract anything I don't want to , to appease anyone .
There are those who get where I'm coming from.
U act like U want to control how people post and what they
can say and how they RESPOND.
In the words of Wolverine..' I go where I want to go and say what I want to say"...

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I'm sick of how you constantly manipulate the truth.

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Peyton Manning could be Cleveland’s best hope
Posted by Mike Florio on February 11, 2014, 1:15 PM EST
peyton_ap_img AP

Sure, the Browns could use a quarterback like Peyton Manning. Over the long haul, they’d be better off with an executive like Peyton Manning.

With Jimmy Haslam restructuring the front office to remove the buffer between owner and G.M., a spot has now been created for Manning, if he chooses to follow the John Elway path after Manning’s football career ends and become the buffer between Haslam and G.M. Ray Farmer.

While Manning will be a star if he chooses to do TV, no network will pay as much as Haslam would to resurrect the Browns, if/when (when) the team is still struggling after Manning’s playing career ends.

Manning and Haslam have been linked for years, dating back to Peyton’s time at the University of Tennessee, where Haslam is a major booster. For years, the theory had been that Haslam would buy the Titans and hire Peyton to run the team. Haslam still has a team; he now simply needs someone to run it the way it needs to be run. By someone with the skills to run it. With Haslam taking his unqualified hands off the wheel.

Peyton has the track record, the work ethic, and the gravitas to succeed as an NFL executive, and to persuade the latest meddling NFL owner to stop meddling. Peyton’s involvement also would go a long way toward making the Browns under Haslam look like something other than a clown show.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...partner=ya5nbcs

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Nice job of answering a question w/an insult.

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He was going to take a qb at four. Now, I am not so sure.

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I feel much better about our future....Thanks Jimmy

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Same here. Im very happy to see Banner and Lombardi gone..
Pettine and Farmer have the opportunity of their lives before them now.
6 PBers, 10 draft picks, alotta cap room and even the possibility of a returning QB.
From utter misery at the end of the season, to having hope again.

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Banner, like I did, knew that Weeden sucked eggs.

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And btw Mouth...............how about we pull up the threads about Weeden that occurred before the season and see exactly who said what.

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Go ahead, I've got nothing to hide when it comes to Weeden. While you're at it, post all the threads where you mocked and bullied everyone who said Lombardi and Banner were egotistical duds who should have never been hired. Those would be fun to go back and look at!

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How do I get access to those?

I'll go thru them.

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Go ahead, I've got nothing to hide when it comes to Weeden. While you're at it, post all the threads where you mocked and bullied everyone who said Lombardi and Banner were egotistical duds who should have never been hired. Those would be fun to go back and look at!

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How do I get access to those?

I'll go thru them.

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Jimmy Haslam’s remake (i.e. streamlining) of the Cleveland Browns front office was a major bombshell.

But according to league sources familiar with the way things went with the Browns in 2013, the decision was a culmination of Haslam, the Browns' owner, coming to grips with several factors, primarily that the structure CEO Joe Banner convinced him to build was not working.

Whether that was because of the personality of the people involved or because of the structure itself is a matter of opinion.

Haslam spoke highly of Banner even as he was announcing his departure.

“It’s been a pleasure to work with him,” Haslam said. He then called former general manager Mike Lombardi a great friend who has “great football acumen.” Haslam added that he and Banner had been discussing this streamlining for two weeks. It would be tough to find a higher road for the owner, which is admirable.

The sources said the change in the team’s structure with both coach Mike Pettine and new GM Ray Farmer reporting directly to Haslam is a fallout from the former system, which had everyone providing information to Banner.

The owner prefers more direct channels.

The sources also addressed several reports of what happened with the Browns last season:

• One source said Lombardi favored trading Josh Gordon. On the day Gordon was selected in the second round of the supplemental draft in 2012, Lombardi -- then an analyst with NFL.com -- criticized the selection. Former coach Rob Chudzinski, aware his receiving corps would have been left with Greg Little and Davone Bess and who knows, worked hard to keep Gordon. Eventually, Banner did not like the offers he received. Gordon went on to lead the league in receiving yards. He averaged 97 yards per game before the trade deadline in late October, 133 after.

Lombardi would not comment on his position on Gordon, and declined comment on other matters related to the team and season. Chudzinski now works for the Indianapolis Colts, who make their assistants available only at certain times of the year. Now is not one of those times.

• Banner did not ask Chudzinski to cut Little and guard Shawn Lauvao. However, Banner’s personnel moves did leave Chudzinski and offensive coordinator Norv Turner frustrated. Bess was brought in by Lombardi to be the dependable third-down guy. He was anything but. At one point the Browns had Bess starting ahead of Little, an indicator of the coaches’ frustration and “what are we supposed to do” thinking. There was ongoing frustration about the running back position. Farmer was asked Tuesday if Banner was a good judge of football talent, and he thought a moment before answering: “I could tell you that Joe is a football guy. He would classify himself as a non-traditional football guy, and I would say that is a good representation.”

• The only time the team seriously discussed acquiring a back after the Trent Richardson trade was when the possibility of trading Gordon was discussed. When Richardson was traded, there was no other immediate plan to acquire a back.

• Banner tried to exert control over much -- from personnel to offensive system, which galled the former coaching staff given the experience of Turner.

• The coaching staff considered the draft a near waste. Barkevious Mingo at the sixth pick was a situational pass-rusher, and Leon McFadden was drafted two rounds earlier than the team’s scouts projected. The team also traded two picks in 2013 for picks in 2014. Those picks will benefit the new coaching staff at the expense of the old. “Ridiculous,” said one NFL coach.

• The mesh between the scouts held over from former GM Tom Heckert to Lombardi was difficult. No scouts were in the Browns' draft room during the ‘13 draft. Many transitions with a front office and scouts are tough; this one seemed tougher.

• The free agents and acquisitions were much touted, but league insiders point out that only Paul Kruger started with his former team. Quentin Groves, Desmond Bryant and Dion Lewis were backups. Quarterback Brian Hoyer played well and earned the respect of everyone, but there were very few coaches in the league who saw him as a starter when the Browns acquired him.

• In the news conference after Chudzinski was fired, Banner called Groves, Bryant and Lewis “excellent additions.” Haslam sat to Banner’s left as he spoke. All six of the team’s Pro Bowlers, though, were brought in by either Heckert, Eric Mangini or Phil Savage.

• Haslam gained much of his insight on the team from Banner, who was the voice between Lombardi, the coaches and Haslam.

• There is a belief that Haslam’s eyes were opened to how his team was viewed around the league as the 25-day coaching search took place. In talking with people from other teams, Haslam learned firsthand of the reluctance of some coaches to work in the Browns' old structure, and of the difficulty in dealing with the Browns in terms of trades. Peter King wrote on SI.com that the first question Ken Whisenhunt asked when the Browns interviewed him this year was why he was not hired a year ago. Banner told Whisenhunt he did not believe Whisenhunt was putting together a championship staff. “Who are you to tell me what makes up a championship staff?” Whisenhunt snapped.

• It may have meant something or nothing, but one of the last things Haslam said Tuesday was: “I think we got the best coach we could get.”

Piece everything together and it’s evident why Haslam preferred a more streamlined operation.

He wants people working together, reporting to him, with no filter between the voices.

The structure seems almost as clear as the reasons that prompted it.

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EVEN THOUGH I LIKE WHAT HE JUST DID I AM STILL BUMMED WE HAVE THIS IDIOT LEADING THINGS .... IMO were SCREWED til he either gets a clue and backs off and gives his FOOTBALL PEOPLE a chance to do there jobs ...... cause based on what we've seen so far only a blind person would have any faith in this guy ...

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Color me "Blind".

Really?

This dude, after one lousy year as an Owner, just showed the NADS and took the SLEDGEHAMMER to 2 of the biggest buffoons to ever grace an NFL Front Office.

You bet your ass I've got faith in Haslam.

He saw exactly what was going on here and he took action.

We now have Scouts, a HC and a GM who will WORK TOGETHER and not have this BS Consensus thing that Banner blew up our asses. And MOST of it has come from WITHIN the organization. We never even knew what the Hell Lombardi's job description was. They shielded that chump from ever even addressing the team with the media. REALLY?

Blame that on Haslam if you want, but the blame lays squarely on BANNER.

COME BACK. I can't wait to hear your rhetoric slamming of the Owner of this team.

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It is funny to see how people's moods have shifted. Some people who supported Banner and Lombardi are now highly skeptical of Farmer -- who was hired by Banner and Lombardi.

Also, some people who didn't like Banner and Lombardi are now very excited about Farmer -- who was hired by Banner and Lombardi.

Then there are the people who just didn't like Banner and Lombardi and would take anyone over them. And there are the peo£le who liked Banner and Lombardi and whoever was hired they were going to talk themselves out of it.

There are also the outliers who just are always in defensive attack mode about anything that is happening.

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EVEN THOUGH I LIKE WHAT HE JUST DID I AM STILL BUMMED WE HAVE THIS IDIOT LEADING THINGS .... IMO were SCREWED til he either gets a clue and backs off and gives his FOOTBALL PEOPLE a chance to do there jobs ...... cause based on what we've seen so far only a blind person would have any faith in this guy ...

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Another article that does not paint Banner in a good light:

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Jimmy Haslam’s remake (i.e. streamlining) of the Cleveland Browns front office was a major bombshell.

But according to league sources familiar with the way things went with the Browns in 2013, the decision was a culmination of Haslam, the Browns' owner, coming to grips with several factors, primarily that the structure CEO Joe Banner convinced him to build was not working.

Whether that was because of the personality of the people involved or because of the structure itself is a matter of opinion.

Haslam spoke highly of Banner even as he was announcing his departure.

“It’s been a pleasure to work with him,” Haslam said. He then called former general manager Mike Lombardi a great friend who has “great football acumen.” Haslam added that he and Banner had been discussing this streamlining for two weeks. It would be tough to find a higher road for the owner, which is admirable.

The sources said the change in the team’s structure with both coach Mike Pettine and new GM Ray Farmer reporting directly to Haslam is a fallout from the former system, which had everyone providing information to Banner.

The owner prefers more direct channels.

The sources also addressed several reports of what happened with the Browns last season:

• One source said Lombardi favored trading Josh Gordon. On the day Gordon was selected in the second round of the supplemental draft in 2012, Lombardi -- then an analyst with NFL.com -- criticized the selection. Former coach Rob Chudzinski, aware his receiving corps would have been left with Greg Little and Davone Bess and who knows, worked hard to keep Gordon. Eventually, Banner did not like the offers he received. Gordon went on to lead the league in receiving yards. He averaged 97 yards per game before the trade deadline in late October, 133 after.

Lombardi would not comment on his position on Gordon, and declined comment on other matters related to the team and season. Chudzinski now works for the Indianapolis Colts, who make their assistants available only at certain times of the year. Now is not one of those times.

• Banner did not ask Chudzinski to cut Little and guard Shawn Lauvao. However, Banner’s personnel moves did leave Chudzinski and offensive coordinator Norv Turner frustrated. Bess was brought in by Lombardi to be the dependable third-down guy. He was anything but. At one point the Browns had Bess starting ahead of Little, an indicator of the coaches’ frustration and “what are we supposed to do” thinking. There was ongoing frustration about the running back position. Farmer was asked Tuesday if Banner was a good judge of football talent, and he thought a moment before answering: “I could tell you that Joe is a football guy. He would classify himself as a non-traditional football guy, and I would say that is a good representation.”

• The only time the team seriously discussed acquiring a back after the Trent Richardson trade was when the possibility of trading Gordon was discussed. When Richardson was traded, there was no other immediate plan to acquire a back.

• Banner tried to exert control over much -- from personnel to offensive system, which galled the former coaching staff given the experience of Turner.

• The coaching staff considered the draft a near waste. Barkevious Mingo at the sixth pick was a situational pass-rusher, and Leon McFadden was drafted two rounds earlier than the team’s scouts projected. The team also traded two picks in 2013 for picks in 2014. Those picks will benefit the new coaching staff at the expense of the old. “Ridiculous,” said one NFL coach.

• The mesh between the scouts held over from former GM Tom Heckert to Lombardi was difficult. No scouts were in the Browns' draft room during the ‘13 draft. Many transitions with a front office and scouts are tough; this one seemed tougher.

• The free agents and acquisitions were much touted, but league insiders point out that only Paul Kruger started with his former team. Quentin Groves, Desmond Bryant and Dion Lewis were backups. Quarterback Brian Hoyer played well and earned the respect of everyone, but there were very few coaches in the league who saw him as a starter when the Browns acquired him.

• In the news conference after Chudzinski was fired, Banner called Groves, Bryant and Lewis “excellent additions.” Haslam sat to Banner’s left as he spoke. All six of the team’s Pro Bowlers, though, were brought in by either Heckert, Eric Mangini or Phil Savage.

• Haslam gained much of his insight on the team from Banner, who was the voice between Lombardi, the coaches and Haslam.

• There is a belief that Haslam’s eyes were opened to how his team was viewed around the league as the 25-day coaching search took place. In talking with people from other teams, Haslam learned firsthand of the reluctance of some coaches to work in the Browns' old structure, and of the difficulty in dealing with the Browns in terms of trades. Peter King wrote on SI.com that the first question Ken Whisenhunt asked when the Browns interviewed him this year was why he was not hired a year ago. Banner told Whisenhunt he did not believe Whisenhunt was putting together a championship staff. “Who are you to tell me what makes up a championship staff?” Whisenhunt snapped.

• It may have meant something or nothing, but one of the last things Haslam said Tuesday was: “I think we got the best coach we could get.”

Piece everything together and it’s evident why Haslam preferred a more streamlined operation.

He wants people working together, reporting to him, with no filter between the voices.

The structure seems almost as clear as the reasons that prompted it.

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I feel much better regarding the football "vision" moving forward. We'll see what happens.

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It is funny to see how people's moods have shifted. Some people who supported Banner and Lombardi are now highly skeptical of Farmer -- who was hired by Banner and Lombardi.

Also, some people who didn't like Banner and Lombardi are now very excited about Farmer -- who was hired by Banner and Lombardi.

Then there are the people who just didn't like Banner and Lombardi and would take anyone over them. And there are the people who liked Banner and Lombardi and whoever was hired they were going to talk themselves out of it.

There are also the outliers who just are always in defensive attack mode about anything that is happening.

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LOL, well put.

The problem as I see it is that so many want to couch their opinion of one regine based on the actions of another and the there is no cause / effect relationship.

IE - Banner did all these thig right therefore Farmer will probably not be as good.

or Banner was an egomaniac who ran everybody out of town therefore Farmer is the saviour.

mangian - good, heckert Bad, banner good, farmer bad . some perverted texas two step.

"MONGO BAD"

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Banner is the one who put us in position to have so many draft picks and cap flexibility. He was going to take a qb at four. Now, I am not so sure.

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I was a bit surprised by the level of detail and information contained in the Peter King article.

The article was probably needed, and King was a credible person to write it.

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Another article that does not paint Banner in a good light:

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I think there are a couple of facts in that article.

I think there is a lot of wild speculation in that article.

I think there are some outright lies in that article.

Look...........I am getting over the shock of this move. Perhaps it will all work out fine. I hope it does and I will support Farmer.....


.............at least until he passes on a qb at number 4 and takes a WR.

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Perhaps it will all work out fine. I hope it does ...

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j/c

I'd say I'm THRILLED with this recent embarrassment (and just because I like it and believe it is the right move ... it doesn't mean its not embarrassing) but the lead DA is still around .. are u kidding me with all the excuses folks are throwing around for this guy ....

Banner was "thrust" on him ... *LOL* ... in what world did that happen???? .. has anyone seen the lead DA in action ... NO ONE THRUSTS ANYTHNG ON THAT MAN .... are u kidding me???? ...

PLUS .. how does the TIMELINE WORK ON THAT ONE ... he bought the team in early August ... he hired banner Mid Oct. ... lets see ... that leaves august, sept and half of oct for him to INTERVIEW and find people .... so how was him and banner a MARRIAGE made at nfl headquarters ....

I gotta go .. will be back to blow up more myths and BS being spread about this a-hole we have leading us ...

EVEN THOUGH I LIKE WHAT HE JUST DID I AM STILL BUMMED WE HAVE THIS IDIOT LEADING THINGS .... IMO were SCREWED til he either gets a clue and backs off and gives his FOOTBALL PEOPLE a chance to do there jobs ...... cause based on what we've seen so far only a blind person would have any faith in this guy ...

u know ... I've seen a few say there a lot more positive than they were before the two minion DA's were let go .... I knew I felt better but not positive ... the best way to describe my sentiments ..

I'm less pessimistic that we'll f this off season up as far as personal moves go .. and lets face it .. THIS IS HUGE ... we have a chance to REALLY IMPROVE and be a LEGITE CONTENDER soon with the right moves ...

I have no clue how good farmer and co will be ... but I was POSITIVE we would fail with the DA's leading the talent acquisition this off season ...

Later bro ......

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Ah, a voice of reason sprinkled in with the Jimmy love fest. I'm reading all these posts absolving this owner of all these screw ups, using revisionist history to do so, and just shaking my head. It's wild. I hope this guy falls in with some people who know what they are doing, because he obviously does not. Wish you were around more, my friend!