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I won't do any of that, however, I will stick to my original claim that people are recreating the truth about how they felt about TRich.
So, did people lie or not? Wanna prove that or retract it and apologize for your remark?
You aren't going to get to slink away from this, you will need to answer for your remark..YOU CALLED SOMEBODY or SOME GROUP OF PEOPLE liars..
Who were they? Tell us.. wanna back that up?
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Here is the trade thread. I'm sure Vers found it too, but didn't like what he read. He probably was on the other, the crap, Homer board where he was the King of the North
https://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1074810/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1
Thanks DJ, but what I want him to do is tell me exactly who lied.. I wanna see it in black and white so that those that are being called liars get a chance to let him know they didn't lie or admit they did.
He doesn't have the courage to name names.. I want him to understand that making a statement like that means that he has to prove it and allow those being accused of lying to at least be allowed to respond..
But I do thank you for the link... Until he responds he's a nobody, nothing, nada, bubkiss...
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'Indianapolis Colts GM says he'd make the Trent Richardson trade again with the Cleveland Browns'
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By Tom Reed, Northeast Ohio Media Group on February 21, 2014 at 2:52 PM, updated February 21, 2014 at 3:13 PM
INDIANAPOLIS – Indianapolis Colts General Manager Ryan Grigson offered plenty of expansive answers during his media session Friday at the NFL Combine.
His shortest response was to a question regarding running back Trent Richardson. Given a redo, would Grigson trade his first-round pick to the Browns for the halfback?
“Yes,” Grigson said moving onto the next query.
When it comes to the Richardson deal, perhaps, the less said the better for the Colts and their fans. Indianapolis is bereft of a first-round choice thanks to its blockbuster trade to acquire the Alabama product on Sept. 18. Richardson averaged just 2.9 yards per carry in 14 games, eventually losing his starting job to Donald Brown.
Most viewed his season as disappointing and hardly worth the price in what’s expected to be a deep first-round pool. The Browns earned the No. 26 overall pick in the transaction -- considered the best football move of the brief Joe Banner-Mike Lombardi era that ended a week ago with their firings.
Richardson managed just 563 yards and three touchdowns on 188 carries, totals that include his two games with the Browns. He ran for 950 yards and 11 TDs during his rookie season. He recently underwent arthroscopic shoulder surgery.
Pressed on the matter, Grigson was asked to evaluate Richardson’s performance with the Colts.
“I think there’s room for improvement, like I could say for anyone,” he said. “There are areas in Trent’s game where he really did show up and help us in key situations. ... There’s obviously a big magnifying glass on him every week, but we see positives. We watch the tape, we evaluate it and see how a guy is progressing. We feel like he’s going in the right direction.”
Colts coach Chuck Pagano also remains optimistic about the future of the No. 3 overall pick in the 2012 draft.
“The sky’s the limit for Trent, having a full off-season with us,” Pagano said. "This will be an important off-season for him. ... We are looking for great things from Trent and Trent looks for great things from himself. Moving forward there are high expectations there."
I posted this (see below) at the official Browns board, which is closing.
Sometimes you gotta read between the lines (lies) of the original article.
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'Colts GM says he would absolutely not make the Trent Richardson trade again with the Browns'
By 3rd_and_20 on 2/22/2014
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INDIANAPOLIS – Indianapolis Colts General Manager Ryan Grigson offered plenty of expansive answers during his media session Friday at the NFL Combine.
His shortest response was to a question regarding running back Trent Richardson. Given a redo, would Grigson trade his first-round pick to the Browns for the halfback?
“Oh, hell no!” Grigson said, rolling his eyes and moving onto the next query.
When it comes to the Richardson deal, perhaps, the less said the better for the Colts and their fans. Indianapolis is bereft of a first-round choice thanks to its blockbuster trade to acquire the Alabama product on Sept. 18. Richardson averaged just 2.9 yards per carry in 14 games, eventually losing his starting job to Donald Brown.
Most everyone viewed his season as disappointing and hardly worth the price in what’s expected to be a deep first-round pool. The Browns earned the No. 26 overall pick in the transaction -- considered the best football move of the brief Joe Banner-Mike Lombardi era that ended a week ago with their firings.
Richardson managed a measly 563 yards and three touchdowns on 188 carries, totals that include his two games with the Browns. He ran for 950 yards and 11 TDs during his rookie season. He recently underwent arthroscopic shoulder surgery.
Pressed on the matter, Grigson was asked to evaluate Richardson’s performance with the Colts.
“It’s obvious that everyone knows he’s probably a bust or well on his way to being one,” he said. “With that said there are areas in Trent’s game where he really did show up and help us in key situations.... …Unfortunately, there isn’t anything specific I can think of right now (clears throat). There’s obviously a big magnifying glass on him every week. We watch the tape, we evaluate it and see how a guy is progressing. We all feel like he’s going backwards - WAY backwards. I don’t know, maybe we can use him this coming season for kickoffs and punt returns?”
Colts coach Chuck Pagano also remains pessimistic about the future of the No. 3 overall pick in the 2012 draft.
“I don’t know if anyone else would even want him at this point,” Pagano said. "This will be an important off-season for him.... We are looking for other things for him to do, like maybe helping out around the clubhouse or even cutting him from the team but sending him back to school, so he can find another way to earn a living. I don’t know what happened with Trent, but he just ain’t cuttin’ it in today’s NFL.”
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No. You really DON'T remember all the tanking the season and Banner is an idiot for trading our best player arguments that were floating around? You really DON'T remember all the arguments about whether or not TRich was any good or if it was just his injured ribs holding him back? You really DON'T remember all the talk of how great/stupid it was to trade up for him?
Come on, man.
Well, as I remember it, this board was down for quite some time after the trade. By the time this forum was back up and running, most people were on board with the transaction. I don't recall a bunch of people bashing the FO about it.
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what I want him to do is tell me exactly who lied.. I wanna see it in black and white so that those that are being called liars get a chance to let him know they didn't lie or admit they did.
He doesn't have the courage to name names.. I want him to understand that making a statement like that means that he has to prove it and allow those being accused of lying to at least be allowed to respond..
I can't help but jump in here. I don't have a pony in this race but you sound easily as ridiculous as you are claiming he does.
First you want him to name names, which he hasn't done. But you then go on to defend the nameless saying they need a chance to respond.
Who needs a chance to respond?! The nameless?
I'll break it this way, how is anyone in particular being accused if no one in particular has been named?
The point I'm making is, he called exactly who a liar?
You are the one burdened to come up with names if you wish to defend someone. Otherwise there is no one to defend.
If you can't name exactly who, in particular, has been accused, then no one in particular has been accused.
So, exactly who are you defending?
It seems the only way you can be satisfied is if those who know they lied came forward, admit to lying and then defend themselves against the accusation that they lied.
Your whole crusade is preposterous!
He made a general statement meant for those who know who they are. It was left completely open-ended. If someone thinks they did not lie then it does not apply to them. If someone knows that they lied then it's up to them to step forward and defend themselves.
That's not your job. You've put yourself on the spot, looking to say something concrete but you have nothing to say.
f it is their individual opinions that no one lied then no one is accused. Then if no one is accused there is no one to defend.
You may think you've found a crime scene but without a body no one has been murdered regardless of what it looks like to you.
You have become Captain Irrelevant, hero and defender of the nameless. 
What you are really trying to do is prove or disprove whether or not anyone actually did lie. You need him to give you a name in order for you to do that.
Unfortunately, he has not given a name which leaves you with nothing but to wait for someone to step forward and admit they lied, at which point it will prove the accusation right and thus, you wrong.
If no one is named and no one steps forward pleading guilty then who exactly are you fighting for?
And with that it comes full circle back to the beginning of your holier-than-thou war.
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J/C ......There are way too many pointless battles going on here. Geesh. "This is my opinion, and I'm right!" "No! You're wrong and I'm right!" "You called me a bad name!" "No you called me a bad name!" Geesh ...... much of this stuff about things we have no clue about. In so many matters, we have no idea what truly happened. I have my beliefs, and others have their beliefs. I think, by now, most of us have know where we stand. What is the point of beating each other over the head over matters we all can only guess about? Why is one poster stupid for guessing about what happened, while another poster is obviously brilliant because of their opinions. (well ..... myself excluded, because obviously I am brilliant) Let the small stuff that we will never resolve go guys. You will never convince those on the opposite side of many of these issues that you are right, because frankly.there is no way to convince someone that your opinion, without evidence, is better than their opinion, that also has no real evidence. Man, I know that I have been drawn into some of these as well, but I stated my opinion and then let it be. Many of you guys are the online equivalent of people beating each other over the heads with baseball bats and skillets. Every minor aspect of any issue is beaten into the ground. Frankly, if I believed in ignoring people, I would probably have half a dozen people on ignore right now. As it is, some posters whose opinions I used to respect, I now find myself skipping over their posts because I just don't feel like reading the same dead horse posts. Anyway, I just felt that I needed to get that off my chest. People can go back to fighting (because debate was left behind long ago, and in many cases it's gotten too personal to be a debate) if they wish. Again, just a general comment ...... but I would hope that those it is addressed to would see themselves, know, and maybe take a look at just how they are debating/fighting things.
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It's really simple Ddub.. He said people lied.
I asked one question, who?
He won't/Can't answer.
It doesn't get any simpler than that.
He's running and hiding.. something he always does whenever anyone calls him on something like that.
If you don't like it, I'm sorry. It was not meant to irritate anyone, I just want him to either admit he was wrong (non sarcasticly) or show me how he was right and allow those he's accusing to state their case.
I see nothing wrong with that..
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Yeah, ddub, I don't really follow you here.
I also don't have a pony in this race, but Vers accused "a group" of lying. Then refused to name anyone. Daman was basically like, "huh?". The onus is on the accuser, not the defender of the unnamed, as you put it.
And to whoever pointed out that the board was down when the trade was announced... good call. I completely forgot about that.
Perhaps Vers would've been right, if the board was even working at the time. I know I was angry and shocked when TR was traded. But after a couple days to simmer down, I saw the positives, and my mood towards the move kept trending up as the season wore on. I believe that this was felt by the majority of the board.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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I just want him to either admit he was wrong (non sarcasticly) or show me how he was right and allow those he's accusing to state their case.
You said it in a nutshell.
My response is that it doesn't matter what you want. It makes you sound like a judge requiring a plead. He doesn't have to show you anything. How do you even fit into the equation? (rhetorical question). Anyone feeling accused is free to state their case without your help.
Any names you can squeeze out into the public eye will only bring people into this who obviously don't wish to be highlighted or they'd have defended themselves already. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate anyone exposing them. Let sleeping dawgs lie.
I apologize for dragging myself into this. It's none of my business either. Like YTown said, there's so much bickering and arguing over trivial matters that it makes this board a bore to read sometimes. I'm sorry I allowed myself to become a part of that.
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That sums it up pretty well. Thanks for the back up.
It should be mentioned that he responded to a post I made and quoted me directly then later added that he wasn't speaking to me. Not sure how you quote someone then say you aren't speaking to them but I guess it could happen right?
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I'm not backing anyone up, just pointing out something I didn't understand. Like I said, I don't have a horse in this race.
I'd like to hope that my post would, somehow, help to lessen the amount of bickering and very-non-footbal-related posts going on; but I acknowledge that's me being extremely naive.
Oh well...
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He won't/Can't answer....He's running and hiding..
I've "known" Vers for 7 years, and it's not in his character to run and hide. I'm certain that he'll respond at an appropriate time. I'll respectfully suggest that more use be made of the PM process...
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I miss understood and I'm sorry for that....
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I"ve known him that long as well... I don't have the same opinion..
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No apologies needed... I just wanted to clarify.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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At some point when people are consistently being antagonistic and throwing accusations around, people will respond in kind. It's the nature of the beast.
trying to point out those who respond, rather than the instigator seems rather counterproductive to me. Sometimes if you want to kill the beast, you cut off the head, not a foot.
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trying to point out those who respond, rather than the instigator seems rather counterproductive...
Are you saying those who are trying to be peacemakers, are "counterproductive", or did I read you wrong?
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trying to point out those who respond, rather than the instigator seems rather counterproductive...
Are you saying those who are trying to be peacemakers, are "counterproductive", or did I read you wrong?
No, that wasn't my intent at all.
It was more to say that when doing so, it may be better served to address the one who is consistently firing the first shot, more so than to try to address it to those who simply return fire.
I mean let's face it, if someone keeps opening fire, eventually people feel the need to shoot back. Unless people simply enjoy being used as target practice.
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Can we all just let this drop .... or you guys can fight it out in PMs, or something? Please. This has stopped being a football debate and become an argument over personalities and "He said/ He said". 
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It could be she said/she said, we really don't know after all and it sounds more like two old women, "I unfriend you".
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He won't/Can't answer....He's running and hiding..
I've "known" Vers for 7 years, and it's not in his character to run and hide. I'm certain that he'll respond at an appropriate time. I'll respectfully suggest that more use be made of the PM process...
I don't need to respond to Daman. Anyone w/a clue knows that the vast majority of posters loved drafting TRich. We had huge arguments about it constantly.
Then, we had huge arguments on how much the rib injury effected his play. I remember many calling me out because I said that the rib injury wasn't the reason he was missing holes and was indecisive.
Later, there were all kinds of heated exchanges about the Browns tanking the season. Doesn't anyone remember the Tank This threads that pissed so many off? LOL.
I was in the very small minority on each of those arguments. Now, people are saying they never did like drafting him and thought it was a good trade.
Please!!!
I'll stand by my comments w/out naming names. You all know who you are and if you aren't one of those posters, than you shouldn't be offended............which should tell you all you need to know about the reactions of certain people.
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So back on subject so just who in the hell are the Browns rb's going to be next season?
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I will. Daman won't let it go. That's fine. I only responded because 32 was defending me and said I would reply.
Our RBs next year, Lewis, Baker, Obi, and a mid round rookie would be my guess.
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I am thinking a early to mid round pick plus Lewis with Obi as our third RB and 2nd FB
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We're pretty close. When I said mid-round.........I really meant 3rd though 4th.
I do like Baker. I hope he gets a shot.
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Vers which back do you like coming out this year? Do you see an every down back like Martin in this years draft? I really like Hyde but I admit I am a little biased.
I hope Richardson turns it around and it ends up being a good deal for Indy. I really like Richardson, just somethings not right. My wifes a Colts fan so I watched 90 percent of their games and it was like I was watching him here again. Hit at the line and fall for a 2 yard gain, then the back up bust a 9 yarder. The thing that surprised me most was that he really struggled catching the ball to.
Im excited to see Lewis and Baker next season but I still think we need a closer at RB.
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I like Hyde, but I am afraid he will go too high. I don't want to do that. I like the guy, but I don't think it's a given he will succeed. Heck, I thought Beanie Wells would be good.
I have been studying QBs so much that I really am not all that educated about RBs. I am not dodging your question, but I don't feel qualified to answer it.
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Im excited to see Lewis and Baker next season but I still think we need a closer at RB.
I agree 100%.
If Baker and Lewis can pick up where they left off, great ....... but I want that guy who can extend drives late in the game by consistently racking up 3-4 yard gains (and 1st downs) against stacked fronts all while killing the clock. In short, a guy who can run even when the defense knows that we're going to run. The last guy we had who could do that was Hillis in 2010, before he lost his mind, and his drive.
I love the demoralizing effect a great run game can have on a team when they desperately need to get the ball back ....... and can't. I love seeing the opposing QB sitting on the sidelines, getting more antsy with every passing second he doesn't have the ball in his hands Unfortunately, we've been on the receiving end of that too often. Hopefully we can reverse that trend this year, and actually close out games.
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Agree with you on Hyde going too early. I don't think I would take him at 26. Possibly 36 and I don't think he drops to the 3rd. Wells was a similar back but Wells was soft IMO. I really liked how Hyde played dinged up at times, ran hard and wore teams down in the 4th quarter and made plays as an outlet in the passing game. Didn't see him drop a lot of balls. Hyde reminds me a lot of Hillis, pre CIA. I think Hyde is going to be a very solid, not great, pro.
Im sure you will be up to speed on the RBs before the draft.
Off topic but since you mentioned QBs, I know your big on Bridgewater but are there any later round gems that you think could be solid starters? I am a big Murray and Mettenberger guy but hoping you had another guy I could hope for since I think Johnny FB and Teddy will be gone before we pick at 4 and Im not sold on Bortles or Carr.
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Man, you're right. How awesome was it to watch him pound the ball that year!?
That guy was a mystery wrapped in a puzzle wrapped in an enigma. By all accounts, he played well for McDaniels in Denver, but was always buried behind lesser backs on the depth chart until they all got injured, and he ran well. Then McD ships him off for Quinn with picks (the fact that we got Hillis AND PICKS for Quinn will never stop being funny to me). Ham sandwich, indeed. He gets years, runs like a madman for a year and then goes bananas.
You can't make up stuff like this.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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I know its more my opinion but many dawgs were on the same thought process with me.
I think most dawgs were not high on drafting Trent top 5 or trading up for him. Me personally had debates on why we shouldn't
But once we made him a Brown with our storied history with RBs...it was very easy to welcome him with open arms and Love the pick and new Brown.
I have no clue why he is as irrelevant as he is...vision? hard to evaluate I guess when your OL is so superior in college where the holes were Gaping.
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Now I remember talking to you before. I think I told you to post more back then, too. Then you disappeared. LOL It was before the TRich/Weeden draft, right?
Hyde will probably go early, but I could see the RBs falling, much as they did last year. I worry about Hyde getting banged up in the pros. He takes a lot of hits. I think that good RBs can be found in a lot of places.
I am hell-bent on getting Teddy. I would take Manziel and Bortles, too. Later round guys? Fales has a below average arm, but finds open guys. Renner fro UNC is better than most people think. He has had some injury issues and the Tarheels really struggled last year. I see both as back-ups, though.
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Yeah, I think Renner could be back on the radar as he did well in his first couple season when UNC was still in a WCO. He struggled recently after they switched it up. Still I'd much rather have Bridgewater, Manziel, Carr, or Murray.
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I have no clue why he is as irrelevant as he is...vision? hard to evaluate I guess when your OL is so superior in college where the holes were Gaping.
I think vision has a lot to do with it. I think he has good speed, and he's obviously very strong. He just misses the proper cuts, and I think his feet are a tad bit slow going into his burst....
The thing that's weird is that he read blocks very well in college. He ran up the middle quite a bit if I remember correctly.. He didn't always have giant holes, there were times where he did have to make good decisions about reading blocks and he always seemed to do it well. A lot of his good runs did come from bouncing outside, which that kinda stuff gets cut down in the pros....
I was OK with the pick... I knew the value of the position says don't use a top 5 pick on it, but I really thought we were getting a special player.
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The Richardson problem is the COlts don't the Oline that we have. They are not as good at run blocking and Richardson made yards behind good blocks by Mack and Schwartz. I always thought that we could have had a really good offense if we went back to a FB like Vickers or Smith. With those guys we were making Harrison look like Jim Brown.
If we could have gotten Richardson into the backfield then he was bound to pick up big yards. He was not a real breakaway threat but he was decent.
Now he is stuck with Luck who does not really need a RB and can use the RB randomly to keep the defense honest.
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