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And it really irks me that people keep bringing up the First Amendment here. Donald Sterling's First Amendment rights weren't violated here.
The First Amendment doesn't guarantee you the right to say whatever you want without repercussion.
Completely agree here ... although, some of the people I see applauding this decision on Facebook would be the first ones to scream "First Amendment Violation!" the second their own employer fired them for an opinion they posted on Facebook.
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The Federal nor a state government punished Mr. Sterling, thus his freedom of speech rights seems entirely intact.
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You were equating racism with theft. Yes, people can be conned into committing theft. As you were equating with crime, I thought I should remind you that racism isn't a crime.
Okay, can someone con you into cheating on your wife?
You are either capable of something or you're not. You either believe something or you don't. Nobody forced this guy, who is already married, to suggest to his mistress that there's something wrong with bringing black people to the games.
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And did we even need his comments to know he is racist? He said that minorities attract vermin.
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He had an NAACP award due to the money he donates. He'll probably fix this situation with donations to Sharpton, Jackson, and the NAACP, although he'll have to make his donations to the NAACP in secret, now that they've returned his original bribe money.
This might actually be the publicity this guy needs to sell this crap team that finally got good for a year.
The joke was that way too many people claim that they have a black friend so they can't be racist.
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No, I don't think it is. Don't confuse racism with bigotry.
If you go in to a room and notice a black person, a white person, an Italian, etc ....you are a racist. You notice people by race.
The biggot on the other hand holds your race against you and discriminates against you simply because your are whitey or blackie.
Again....take my words for what they mean, not for what you think they mean.
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That's not what racism is. That's just having vision.
Racism is seeing a black person and not letting him live in your Apartment Complex.
A bigot is anyone who thinks they're more superior than someone else.
Both are bad.
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Sterling has a history of being a bigoted racist Peen. He has been sued countless times for housing/hiring discrimination. The fact that he is a bigot/racist (whatever adjective you want to use) has been a pretty well known fact for the past 30 years.
As I mentioned earlier, the problem I have with all of this is how hypocritical the NBA is acting. They have known his past for YEARS and did nothing about it until it became public.
Of course, I understand it from a business sense, because as I mentioned to DC these other owners have a right to protect their collective brand/cash cow as well. It just really bugs me when these clowns beat the moral pulpit about it when they have turned a blind eye for the exact same thing for decades.
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Kate Upton could probably con me into it. 
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I think what Peen meant to say is having prejudice (as in stereotyping ethnic groups, races, sexes etc.) is common, and in fact it is. You are right though, being a racist is in fact making decisions based upon those prejudices, and yep Sterling has for years. He is also a bigot as well if you listen to his rant...lol.
So in short no matter how what definition one would like to apply to the Donald he would still qualify and then some...lol. Dude is a dirtbag.
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Upon hearing he's banned for life, I thought that was a little harsh. The more I think about it, I think it's justified.
The more I think about it the more I dislike it.
In the NBA you can go into the stands and punch fans and get less than a year... you can threaten to kill your coach, choke him, and drag him to the ground in front of your entire team and get less than a year... You can almost kill another player in a fight on the court destroying his face and shortening his career and you get 26 games... You can kick a camera man in the groin on the court and get 15 games.. DUI putting peoples lives at risk, 2 games... You can do cocaine and other illegal drugs multiple times, get banned permanently, then get reinstated... You can draw guns on your teammates in the locker room over an argument and get less than a year... Pleading no contest to domestic violence, 7 games..
But make some racist comments in a private setting while not really hurting anybody in the league and you get life... Sorry, but beating people, hurting women, punching fans, risking the lives of others, waving guns around.. seems a bit worse to me than just having a flawed belief system.
I agree with you on this.
His comments, as horrible as they were, were illegally taped in a private setting. I hate to think what happens if every remark anyone makes in private suddenly hits the airwaves.
(EDIT) OK, I judged this without listening to the comments, and it is obvious that this wasn't some heat of the moment argument like I assumed.
As far as this young lady ...... I hope that she has plenty of security. She just ticked off some really rich and powerful people ....... and she better be careful.
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His comments, as horrible as they were, were illegally taped in a private setting. I hate to think what happens if every remark anyone makes in private suddenly hits the airwaves.
I could see this being a valid concern if you're being unwittingly recorded by a branch of government or the NBA/your employer.
But if the culprit is a ditz you're nailing...sounds more like you're digging your own grave, not having your rights violated.
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Even Fox stated that he asked her to record stuff because he had a bad memory. Of course if they said that it's very possible it's false.
The problem with Sterling is a long line of racial problems plus a position of power over a team with a record of losing players to teams offering better money, combined with the completely ludicrous statements about sleeping with, getting pictures with or bringing "blacks" to the games.
He is a man with power demanding racial discrimination.
Of course if nobody hears the recording then none of this happens, but the cat has been let out of the bag, it's his own fault and in the end it's not going to make his life as bad as some of the lives he had control over.
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If he asked her to record things, then that could put a different spin on things. He comes off a a racist who did not want to admit that his little toy was actually half black, and wanted to pretend instead that she was half white instead.
It's an ugly situation, but again, I don't think that this is the worst thing to ever happen in the NBA. DC noted examples of things that have happened that are acts of violence and such, that are far worse than someone ranting in private.
As far as Fox ..... who cares? I don't watch Fox ... or any of the major "sensationalist" news networks and lately I try to stay away from the news in general. There is just too much bad news out there. I see no sense in bating myself over the head with it 24 hours/day. I catch up n the lowlights online, for the most part.
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Like most other "problems" in Capitalism, I think consumers and workers hold a lot more power than they realize. Boycotts are extremely powerful, but Americans rarely use them. For some reason, political complaints are the action of choice. Puzzling.
I see sponsors are already taking action on this one. If fans and players follow suit, the owner won't have much of a business model.
Probably because Capitalism is not made to sort out social issues. It's to make you richer, so boycotting something that saves you money does not make much sense.
It may also be due to how diverse businesses are how they have their hierarchies set up. It's harder to boycott someone like the Koch brothers if you don't know their subsidiaries.
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Soo...what happens to owners who willingly donate to organizations that wish to restrict the marriage rights of consenting adults that love each other?
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It seems that this situation involving his comments, as well as your scenario, are both civil rights issues, but neither is a legal issue,
IMO the NBA didn't want their product to appear as though a white owner, who makes statements indicating he "gave" his players houses, cars, etc. had power over players who are predominately African-American.
There are indications that there are other actions involving Sterling that directly connect to civil rights.
Maybe the organization that looks most hypocritical is the NAACP. They were awarding him based on money received he paid to compensate for his treatment of minorities who lived in housing he owned.
There's more to this than he made a private statement. He was also involved with not private racial problems.
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I can almost guarantee he did not consent to being recorded and in the state of Cali... it's a 2 person consent. it was a private conversation recoded illegally and was published. They will not be submittable in court. After that, the NBA will not have anything to stand on as they can not use that as a conversation piece in the court room.
I believe he is going to wait to do anything until the NBA takes his team from him.
The NBA should have suspended him first and tried to figure out the best moves before acting so swiftly. it will come back and bite them in the butt.
this will turn very ugly when he sues the NBA and her for slander, defamation, income loss, expulsion, and everything else his attorneys can think of.
There may not be an NBA when this is all said and done and her life will be over and he will have the last laugh. Right or wrong.
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That's not what racism is. That's just having vision.
Racism is seeing a black person and not letting him live in your Apartment Complex.
A bigot is anyone who thinks they're more superior than someone else.
Both are bad.
I believe you are both incorrect. Racist and bigot are both belief systems, they are a thought process, they are entirely mental, and if you don't open you mouth nobody will know you are one.... Discrimination is acting on that belief system.
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I can almost guarantee he did not consent to being recorded and in the state of Cali... it's a 2 person consent. it was a private conversation recoded illegally and was published. They will not be submittable in court. After that, the NBA will not have anything to stand on as they can not use that as a conversation piece in the court room.
I believe he is going to wait to do anything until the NBA takes his team from him.
The NBA should have suspended him first and tried to figure out the best moves before acting so swiftly. it will come back and bite them in the butt.
this will turn very ugly when he sues the NBA and her for slander, defamation, income loss, expulsion, and everything else his attorneys can think of.
There may not be an NBA when this is all said and done and her life will be over and he will have the last laugh. Right or wrong.
I would have to think the NBA's lawyers took all this into consideration before Silver handed down the punishment. If Sterling indeed agreed to be recorded, it's a moot point anyway. If not, it's very possible (likely?) the conversation happened with both parties in a 1 party consent state. I'm sure there are all kinds of possible legal interpretations that would have to be sorted (say they were both in a 1 party consent state, but the communication traveled through HQ in a 2 party consent state, then what?) In any case, I'm not a lawyer and don't pretend to be one.
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Now evidently the owners have to vote on whether this guy should get to keep his team or not.. Mike and Mike seem to think it's a slam dunk that the vote will be unanimous that he should sell his team because no owner is going to want to be viewed as supporting him.... I'm not so sure.
On one hand, there is the risk that if you vote no, the guy should not be forced to sell his team, that you could lose sponsors and players might not want to play for you.. on the other hand if you vote yes, you are setting a precedent that if you get drunk at a party one night and make some tasteless comments that get recorded, 6 days later you could lose your $800 million investment...
Not sure how I would vote...
In the end, the morally righteous mob is getting the sacrifice they want.... the fans and players can go back to whatever their own immorality is, they can go back to listening to rap that demeans all levels of blacks, whites, females, and homosexuals... the players can continue to have their own mistresses.... the sponsors have made their token show of morality to protect their bottom line... and they can all feel like they helped make the world a better place....
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I can almost guarantee he did not consent to being recorded and in the state of Cali... it's a 2 person consent. it was a private conversation recoded illegally and was published. They will not be submittable in court. After that, the NBA will not have anything to stand on as they can not use that as a conversation piece in the court room.
I believe he is going to wait to do anything until the NBA takes his team from him.
The NBA should have suspended him first and tried to figure out the best moves before acting so swiftly. it will come back and bite them in the butt.
this will turn very ugly when he sues the NBA and her for slander, defamation, income loss, expulsion, and everything else his attorneys can think of.
There may not be an NBA when this is all said and done and her life will be over and he will have the last laugh. Right or wrong.
I don't see how the tape and it's legality has any barring on the NBA's decision. The NBA and it's bylaws don't have to follow due process on obtaining or listening to the tape. It's out there, they can hear it and Sterling confirmed it was him making those comments. According to the comments he made, the way the players are reacting, the fans and sponsors, they have it written in the NBA bylaws that that's worthy of expulsion.
Just like if you joined a private country club and they determined you broke one of their rules, they can kick you out. It's a private club. They don't need to follow the proper legal channels, they can just bump you to the curb. And Donald Sterling was in the private NBA owners club.
The fact that the tape exists and he confirmed it was him, why would it need to be played in a courtroom?
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Now evidently the owners have to vote on whether this guy should get to keep his team or not.. Mike and Mike seem to think it's a slam dunk that the vote will be unanimous that he should sell his team because no owner is going to want to be viewed as supporting him.... I'm not so sure.
I agree ... and I absolutely hate when the talking heads make this reference too: "If you don't vote to ban him, then you support his racism". 
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On one hand, there is the risk that if you vote no, the guy should not be forced to sell his team, that you could lose sponsors and players might not want to play for you.. on the other hand if you vote yes, you are setting a precedent that if you get drunk at a party one night and make some tasteless comments that get recorded, 6 days later you could lose your $800 million investment...
Which is really what the vote is about. Not some, "vote yes if you're against racism" garbage. What if Jay-Z has a little too much to drink one night at an Obama fundraiser and goes on some drunken rant about how all Republicans need to die. Should we automatically take away his investment in the Nets and boot him out of the league? Because a precedent is being set here.
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In the end, the morally righteous mob is getting the sacrifice they want.... the fans and players can go back to whatever their own immorality is, they can go back to listening to rap that demeans all levels of blacks, whites, females, and homosexuals... the players can continue to have their own mistresses.... the sponsors have made their token show of morality to protect their bottom line... and they can all feel like they helped make the world a better place....
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What else could the NBA do? What he said became public. IMO..To side with this owner is to side with his beliefs. He's done in the NBA. Game over.
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In the end, the morally righteous mob is getting the sacrifice they want.... the fans and players can go back to whatever their own immorality is, they can go back to listening to rap that demeans all levels of blacks, whites, females, and homosexuals... the players can continue to have their own mistresses.... the sponsors have made their token show of morality to protect their bottom line... and they can all feel like they helped make the world a better place....
And there you have it. Our society is full of holier-than-thou types who will point a finger forgetting that when you do three of your own fingers are pointing back a you.
I mentioned in another thread an example of a 350 lb, overeating, heart-attack-waiting-to-happen slob, pointing out to me how bad my smoking habit is for my health.
You nailed it with the morally righteous mob moniker. Morally righteous mob does not mean that the members of that mob are morally righteous. It simply means that they are morally righteous on those particular moral defects which they point to while managing to ignore having an abyss of their own personal debauchery.
I wonder how many would point a finger if the prerequisite was a full disclosure of their own depravity.
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But they aren't "siding with the owner's beliefs" ... they would be saying that he shouldn't lose a team based solely on expressing opinions. That's a really slippery slope that the owners would probably want to avoid setting up a precedence for. I don't like that being against that somehow equates to "agreeing with his racism".
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But they aren't "siding with the owner's beliefs" ... they would be saying that he shouldn't lose a team based solely on expressing opinions. That's a really slippery slope that the owners would probably want to avoid setting up a precedence for. I don't like that being against that somehow equates to "agreeing with his racism".
No NBA owner is going to side with him. They know siding with this racist is more of a slippery slope then getting rid of him.
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And Silver already took a private vote from each owner. He wouldn't have made the announcement yesterday without making sure he could get the 75% needed to oust Sterling.
He may not want to sell, but he won't have a choice.
I really don't see how Sterling can fight this. He'll try, but it's up to the other owners opinion if he violated the NBA bylaws of owner conduct. If they feel he did, they can kick him out of their club.
Of course, they'll be forcing the sale of the franchise, not taking it away from him. So, he'll end up making almost $500m, but I don't think he cares about the money. He doesn't have his team, he can't go to NBA games, his reputation is ruined, and the only thing he has is money. Sounds awfully lonely.
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Not only were the owners going to vote him out, the players of both Golden State and Clippers were going to boycott the game. Like they were just going to walk off the court. Could you even imagine what that would mean? That's completely unfathomable to us because it's never happened before.
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j/c So what should happen to Shaq? Former NBA star Shaquille O’Neal is under fire for mocking a disabled fan’s selfie. The retired athlete posted a picture on Instagram of his own contorted face next to Jahmel Binion’s selfie. FOX 2 reports the post, captioned “Smile today,” earned more than 14,000 likes, with former University of Michigan athlete Trey Burke and rapper Waka Flocka Flame joining in on the teasing. The post has been deleted. But for Binion, the damage has been done. With missing teeth and abnormal hair growth caused by the rare disorder ectodermal dysplasia, the Michigan man is used to getting bullied — but Shaq’s mockery was too much to bear. He considered Shaq his basketball idol and respected the former high-profile athlete’s charitable works and advocacy for disadvantaged children in America. “I’ve been getting teased since I was yay (sic) tall. People laugh at me, stare at me,” Binion said. “I was kind of hurt because I’ve always looked up to him. I’ve watched Shaq play basketball since I was (inaudible), so I was like, why are you making fun of me? He is supposed to be this role model.” Despite the abuse, Binion has a positive outlook. He said the cruel taunts have inspired him to start an anti-bullying campaign called Hug Don’t Judge. “I can’t let it get to me, because then I get hurt and depressed,” he said. O’Neal did not respond to Fox’s request for comment. NY Post
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There are all kinds of bad behaviors and reasons to hold people accountable. Obviously Shaq and his buddies should be accountable and if they aren't I would suggest a boycott of their products and products they endorse.
If the networks get enough pressure they will cut him from broadcasting.
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I can't even put into words how much that bugs me. If the network has a conscience it will either cut him loose, reprimand him, or stand behind him and do whatever it chooses with a certain amount of pride that it is doing the right thing... not wait to see which way the winds of public opinion are blowing before making an opinion.. then if they do get enough pressure, they will issue some self-righteous statement about how they don't want a guy like that representing them... 
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Joined: Mar 2013
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All Pro
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He should be banned from NBA broadcasting and attending games and 85% of his assets should be given to Binion.
I can't stand Shaq. I think what he did was worse than Sterling's comments, this was a public statement. And let's be honest, people suffering with disease and handicap have a rougher road than any race in this country.
Yes, bring the hammer down on Shaq. I assume he's in the Hall of Fame, gotta go Big Fella. Gotta go.
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