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[quote=bonefish]"dude is a clone of manziel"
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Except that he bigger at 6"4" and 220lbs and way faster. 4.4 speed versus Manziel at 4.67.

And he played three years of college ball and he takes his job seriously.

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we will see bro.

i highly doubt he even falls toward us, and too many teams need QB's that are at the bottom.

but lets say he does fall, like bridgewater, carr, and manziel did.

do we take him? would he be worth it over...say winston?

I think there is a better than good chance Mariota falls to us.

I'd be willing to trade both firsts and next years first to move up and get Mariota but he will go #1 overall and that will never have a chance to happen.

Winston won't last because he will spend half his career suspended.

suspended based off of....

Then let's get him some weapons. That's our GM's job.

l would take Winston over Mariota and never doubt the decision.

And I would start him this year.

agree

I would take Mariota of Winston. The last thing we need is another immature young heisman qb, with only 2 yrs college exp, who acts youn,g and not ready to lead a NFL team of Men.

I'm not sold on Mariotta as a rookie starter. I like his potential a lot. Get him a little stronger in the upper body. Give him a year or so to get use to pro style offense and I think he could be a viable NFL qb.

No way I would trade 2 firsts for him but if he fell to us at 12, I'd definitely take him.

The ONLY thing Mariotta has over Winston is the fact that he's a great kid..

Winston talent wise IMO is on the level, maybe a smidge below, the level of Luck..

He's just a douche and people tend to not want to root for douches...

yep. thats the only reason ppl like mariota over winston. cause it damn sure isn't because of talent or the system they run.

I can't tell if yer disagreeing with me sarcastically

I think Mariotta is talented. But he's going to take a lot more time than Winston IMO.

i think winston IS hands down the best qb in the draft.

mariota has talent.

but i want to take the guy who has A) already won the big game. B) is asked to read defenses and C) is a pocket QB who is still mobile.

But Him being a douche is a big deal imo.

Bad team chemistry and a bad lockerroom will destroy the best of teams.

If he's there at 12 I take him no doubt and dump JM for whatever I can get...

If he gets passed the Jets then I may consider moving up for him depending on cost..

If you get a QB. Everything else works itself out.

not really. his off the field issues has had no bearing on him not only LEADING his team to a NC, but also to the first 4 teams in a first ever playoff game in college.

I agree that Winston has the better physical tools as a QB. Im just saying I wouldnt take the chance because of his immaturity and the pampered/elitism reports that have been coming out of FSU.

Mariotta is a safer choice that with a little grooming can be a functional NFL qb.

I actually prefer to not take either and give Manziel this year to prove himself.

We cant keep depleting the overall talent level of the team by drafting a qb in the first rd every year. I want a WR or TE if there is quality available at our picks.

yea i would think we give manziel this year to prove himself. but it would be hard to pass on these guys if by ANY chance they fall to us at 12.

i'm tired of going with safe choices man. we need to be bold.

I would not have Winston on my draft board.

That is college environment for starters. Where partying and being a lil rebelious is normal. His antics will not be tolerated on a team with grown men.

I would not use his playoff game against Oregon as a positive in reference to team leadership. They gave up and quit. Then he had the nerve to say in the press conference Oregon still wasnt a better team. They got beat by 39 SMH

I see Winston having the same problem that RG3 is having with his elitism attitude. But it basically comes down to that I believe that he is a pampered lil knucklehead who has a wealth of talent, who if he is picked by Tampa will have a very short career. Another team with a different city/environment would be better for him.

Winston's talent level as an NFL QB doesn't compare to Mariota. Winston in my opinion in NFL ready

It would depend on his interviews and private workouts.

I agree with that. There are a lot of red flags with Winston, and not one of them is an on the field issue. He has a pattern of trouble, and I would want to make sure that he understands that money is only going to bring more trouble if he does not change the way he has been doing things.

He is the most talented QB in this draft, and has the experience to be a capable starter from day 1. I have little question about that. It is all off the field stuff that worries the heck out of me.

Luckily (and unluckily) we won't have to deal with it. He is going to go #1 overall and the Bucaneers will not even consider any trade ups.

No to Winston. Offenseive linemen that can block and defensive linemen and linebackers that can tackle and get to the QB are bigger needs.

The team's foundation is weak.

I think this is a terrible year to draft a qb. Last year was the year to get it done.

Teddy was available and we passed on him. We will rue that mistake for years and years and years.

well there's only two that are worth it.

i already know how you feel with mariota.

but lets say winston.....hypothetically, drops to our 19th pick,....do you pass on him?

I dont think Mariotta is worth a first round pick and I would not draft winston in the 4th. We have enough headaches.

Wow, we have a top 5 OL with Mack healthy, and we have no proven QB at all ..... but OL is the bigger need? I strongly disagree.

We definitely need pass rushers at the DL and LB spots, but until we have one, we absolutely need a QB. We don't need a superstar QB, but we do need a guy who can deliver an average+ level of play.

I think Winston & Mariota will go 1-2 in this year's draft, but if either should somehow slip through to 12, you run your pick up to the podium taking them.

they wouldn't have to fall to 12.
if either falls to say maybe 8, i see us making a move.

Ther are too many teams ahead of us that need a qb. MM and JM will be long gone by the 12th pick. Other qb's may show a lot at the combine and workouts and you may have a shot at them. To be determined.

One would have thought that having Marino was a sure bet you'd get to and win a bunch of Superbowls... How many did Marino play in again?

You are right, having a QB like Manning (either one)Brees or Brady or Rogers gives you a better chance, but it's not the only thing that's needed. Never will be.

I think my problem with this thread is that it's "#1 draft need"

Our number 1 need, is, and will always be, a QB..

We do not necessarily have to draft one this year..

I would look to guys who've been in the league a few years that have potential to run a ball control offense, and maybe grow into something more.

Would you rather possibly have to trade up for one of these two, or maybe go hard after a guy like Mallett.. While also still considering a guy in the 4th/5th (Say Petty drops for some reason)

I would not go hard after Mallett. No one knows what he is. I would give him a one year contract.

No one knows what a rookie is.

But you use a draft pick on them and give them a 4 year contract..

Apples and oranges.