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I think that's more of an indictment on Lovie Smith than Glennon.



If TB and Philly really are moving on, then you won't need to spend that much. If TB drafts a QB you could probably get Glennon for a 4th or 5th.

Philly might be inclined to give up Foles for say a 3rd, if they know they can get Mariota and want some extra ammunition.

I would be ok with either move.

Johnny Manziel is a wildcard. Will he make the commitment it takes to be an NFL QB? I feel if he does he can succeed in the NFL but not in all offenses. If the Browns decide to go all in on Manziel they need to base an entire offense around his strengths. If not they need to look in another direction.

Brian Hoyer is a smart QB that just lacks the physical skill set to be a top flight QB. Where he could be an asset is if the Browns draft a younger QB with similar smarts but better physical skills. Players like Garrett Drayson and Sean Mannion come to mind. Hoyer has the ceiling of Andy Dalton but could help a young QB reach a higher ceiling.

Take a chance on a QB trying for a 2nd chance. Sam Bradford if released is a player that I feel can win if he can somehow find a way to stay healthy. I do not see any other viable options available via free agents or trades.

I would not be opposed to trading a kings ransom to draft a top QB. but not for Mariotta. I would be willing to trade Jamies Winston. He has the physical skill set to be a franchise QB. The kind of QB that can win Super Bowls in his career.

Those are the only real options in my opinion that can land the team a franchise QB in 2015. The only other option would be to trade down a few times and assemble multiple picks for the 2016 draft to better position themselves for Cardale Jones or Christain Hackenberg.

A first for Foles?!?! He has had one good year in an offense no one had seen before. He was average at best this year before getting hurt. God help us if we give up a first round pick for Nick Foles.

And McCown played worse than Glennon, and Lovie started him anyway.

I don't know if Glennon is worth pursuing or not ..... and I doubt that he is worth a 2nd ..... but on the surface, he appears to have some skills, and has played fairly well on a bad team.

I guess I'd be willing to part with a 5th round pick for Glennon on the off chance he turns out to be at least average. Average is better than most of the options we have this off-season.

He is a hell of a lot better than anything we will be able to draft over the next several seasons. He has PROVEN he can perform at the NFL level. I'll take that over what will be available for in THIS draft barring a trade up for Mariota.

An 83 QB rating with twice as many TDs as INTs isn't bad.

Bernie Kosar had a career QB rating of 81.8 and is revered as a god in Cleveland.

Bernie's career stats from pro-football-reference.

Different era. QB ratings have consistently gone up in the past 25 years since the rule change.

Now, 90 is minimum, and 100 very good.

I think people are confusing QB Rating with ESPNs QBR thingy..

Aye I think so too since with the original QBR most are barely at 80 for the season.

Nope. Not confusing it. 83 is not a good QB rating anymore. 26th out of 33 is not good.

Andrew Lucks career rating is 86..

His rookie year it was 76.5 (Followed by 87, and 96.5)

So obviously Mike Glennon is on pace to be better than Luck

In 19 career games he has 4,000 yds 29 tds 15 ints

I dont see why people think he's terrible, or how he cant get better..

Why would Tampa get rid of Glennon? Even if they draft a qb #1 overall, Glennon is signed for two more years and he's cost effective.

6/12/2013: Signed a four-year, $3.104 million contract. The deal included a $637,500 signing bonus.
2014: $546,094
2015: $687,188
2016: $675,000
2017: Free Agent

Because Lovie Smith doesn't perceive that he fits the system that they want to implement. It's that simple.

Lovie Smith wouldn't know a quality QB if saw one.

Want proof?

Exhibit A: Bringing in Luke McCown and naming him the starter.

Exhibit B: Letting it be known that Glennon is possible trade bait.

Exhibit C: Not trading him after the phone rings 'off the hook' from teams asking what the price tag is and starting McCown anyway.

Exhibit D: 2013 record was 4-12 / 2014 record was 2-14.

Exhibit E: Luke McCown had a 1-10 record as the Bucs starter with 11 TDs, 14 INTs. Glennon replaced him and the team was 1-4 (2 OT losses) with 10 TDs, 6 INTs.

Glennon is 5 times the caliber of QB that Derek Anderson is.

Then you should become Glennon's manager because he's not getting 5 times the money of Anderson. He's not even getting as much over the same time frame.

Because of the new CBA... but that's beside the point. He'll have 5 times the career as Anderson even if he lasts just 4 years in the league (and he should last much longer than that).

j/c

You know, after going over this thread a few times in as many days, something dawned on me.

I wish Haslam would have said, "They've got to get a QB in 2015" instead of "We've got to get a QB in 2015".

Haslam never said 2015.

Oh I'm not saying he's meddling or not trying to say he's evil. But I certainly do wonder.

How is Nick Foles horrible?

I am not saying he will be available, but if he is, he certainly would not be a horrible choice.

I have. I told you he is going to have a hard time making it last year and everything he did this year hasn't changed my mind.

He is a one-read QB who sees half the field and even a quarter of the field on almost every throw.

Did you see how many times he bailed against Ohio State. He made one read, it wasn't there, and he starts moving all over the place. That won't work in the NFL.

Furthermore, there is a very legitimate reason why his red zone numbers were so much worse than the rest of the time. He actually had to read coverages in the red zone and he was incapable of pulling it off.

Maybe I said the wrong thing. . .

I don't think Nick Foles is horrible. I think he is average. He has looked much better because Chip Kelly's system is as QB friendly as it gets. Even in that system there were times when Foles did not do well.

If Foles was available I would guess that he would cost at least a third round pick. I don't think that Foles is worth that price. If the choices were re-sign Hoyer and not give up any compensation or trade a 3rd round pick (or more) for Foles, I would re-sign Hoyer.

Because of the lack of talent available at the QB position Foles is probably the best player available at that position. That does not mean he is good.

I have a question on this, if you don't mind. In the NFL, do systems make a good QB or do good QBs make the system good? The reason I ask is if the QB makes the system good, then there may only be 1 good QB coming out of college every 5 years or so. If the system makes the QB, then average QB could be made into an above average to great QB.

In College - it is obvious that systems tend to make good QB's...if the opposite is true in the NFL then it explains why there is so few successful QBs at the next level.

I think this is a special case. But for the most part I think if the QB is good, the system will be good.

Chip Kelly's system is known to have easy reads and wide open receivers. You also don't have to huddle.

Then do I have a QB for him....

Vers - you're right but that's the offense he was asked to run. You have to project a guy like Mariota based on his talent and ability.

By all accounts, he has a killer work ethic and is a very bright guy... I have to think that if he's brought up properly in the NFL, he'll put in the work and is smart enough to learn how to go through reads and progressions. Everything is there both physically and mentally for him to be a star but the experience.

Let's be honest, if Mariota were coming out of a pro style offense having done what he did last year statistically, we wouldn't even have a chance to trade up to get him because Tampa would already be selling his jersey.

Might be a potential QB on the market: Nick Foles of Philadelphia Eagles.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/r...e_head_18157340

"Foles had a breakout 2013 campaign for the Eagles, putting up 27 touchdowns compared to two interceptions in 13 games (10 starts). Fresh off a performance that saw the former third-round pick lead Philadelphia to the playoffs that season, many expected progression in 2014. Instead, Foles put up a less-than-stellar season prior to missing the final eight-plus games with a collarbone injury. He threw just 13 touchdowns compared to 10 interceptions in eight starts."

13 TD's and 10 INT's in eight starts ain't great but, sad to say, a lot better than our three QB's did down the stretch.

Maybe our new OC could get him back to year one performance????????

I can only judge by OSU's National Championship triumph over his lads.

He did complete some nice passes, and had a few more dropped by his receivers on important third downs. Does have a nice motion. One comment I remember from announcers was that the rap against him is he doesn't do well if his primary receiver isn't open: doesn't go through progression to #2, #3. Don't know how accurate that is, though, cause I just saw the Buckeyes D pretty much shut him out after first drive (except for that fast, long TD to pull Oregon to within 21-17 in 3rd Q).

Agreed... and I know it would cause a few fans to riot but doing the exact same thing we did last year (Hoyer starting, rookie (now Mariota) watching) is probably our best bet at getting QB solved. I would put money on it that Mariota with 12 games to learn would be night and day from what we saw with Johnny.

As far as Johnny giving it 100%... maybe in the club. He's as likely to give football everything he's got as Gordon is to avoid suspension from here on out. He just loves to party way too much and studying like Peyton Manning would get in the way of that.

"Let's be honest, if Mariota were coming out of a pro style offense having done what he did last year statistically, we wouldn't even have a chance to trade up to get him because Tampa would already be selling his jersey."
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If Mariota went to Stanford or Florida State he would have been asked to do more of what is typical in the NFL.

All that is related offensive schemes. It still has no bearing on reading NFL defenses and the speed of the NFL game.

All quarterbacks would benefit from the experience that Aaron Rodgers got at Green Bay. Or what Garoppolo is getting at New England.

If Andrew Luck would have come to the Browns and played day one; does anyone really believe that he would have led the Browns to a Super Bowl Championship in the first year?

So what difference does it make that Mariota would benefit from sitting and learning behind Hoyer?

The point is he you have to have a quarterback solution for 10 plus years. That will give you a chance to win a title.

Rodgers has one championship. Brees has one. Brady, Manning, Ben those guys give you a chance because the play at quarterback is consistently good over many years.

If the Browns are ever going to win a title they need "a man" who can lead men.

Mariota has those makings.

Super Bowl? No.

But we would of easily made the playoffs in 2012..

But then Holmgren, Heckert and Shurmur would probably still be here..

*shudders*

A couple of comments on this thread since last time I was here:

--Foles. The guy has a very strong arm. He is huge. He throws a nice ball. Shows good accuracy. Great deep passes. I think it is more than scheme. I really can't believe Philly will let him walk, though. He's just too good. On the other hand, he doesn't really fit Kelly's system. So.......maybe there is a chance. If he becomes available.......he is our guy.

--Mariotta. I like the kid's athleticism, size, and character. I am not saying I am right, but guys, he doesn't read coverages. I know he wasn't asked to do it a lot, but when he was...........he was unable to. Ohio State made him look stupid and our defense is not all that. As soon as he was pressured, he abandoned the pocket and started moving around.....very Manziel like. Furthermore, once inside the redzone, his numbers dropped dramatically. Why? Because he had to make reads in tighter windows and he could not do it. The NFL is like that all of the time. You don't teach reading coverages. It's natural. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.