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Vers, have you looked at all at Sean Mannion? I mentioned that I wanted us to look at an experienced QB, who ran a pro style offense, and who has solid physical traits, but who may fall in the middle of the draft and cfrs15 brought up Sean Mannion's name. I looked a a ton of his videos, and he seems like a guy with a lot going for him, with room to improve. He ran a pro style offense, and has an NFL arm. He is not a runner by any stretch of the imagination, but he seems like a guy who might be a diamond in the rough.

He seems to understand that he doesn't have to win a foot race to be effective in the NFL, but rather he has t see what is going on around him.

Here is a piece about him from the Senior Bowl. He seems like a guy who has his head on straight. I should also add that he lost 2 of his top receivers, Marcus Wheaton after his sophomore season, and Brandin Cooks after his Junior season. (those 2 guys accounted for 106 receptions in the NFL this past season, Wheaton in Pittsburgh and Cooks in New Orleans)

What do you think of him? (if you have even watched him at all)I think that he seems like a guy who might be worth a shot in the middle rounds of the draft.

Senior Bowl 2015: Oregon State's Sean Mannion shows NFL teams he has 'a different sort of speed' | OregonLive.com
http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2015/01/senior_bowl_2015_oregon_states.html

The door was open for the six quarterbacks taking part in the Reese's Senior Bowl to improve their status with NFL teams heading into the NFL Combine and eventually the all-important NFL draft. That list included Oregon State's Sean Mannion.

According to many NFL scouts and analysts, none of the quarterbacks in Saturday's Senior Bowl – the list also included Baylor's Bryce Petty and East Carolina's Shane Carden along with Mannion on the North team that won 34-13 and Alabama's Blake Sims, Colorado State's Garrett Grayson and Southeastern Louisiana's Bryan Bennett on the South – improved their draft status during the week.

Regardless, Mannion, the 6-foot-5, 227-pounder, said he was happy to receive the invitation to take part in the game and for the opportunity to work out in front of NFL personnel in a competitive situation.

"I really felt comfortable with the offense and everything and it felt great throwing the ball," Mannion said following one of the North practices.

The Tennessee Titans coaching staff directed the North team all week and players also took part in one-on-one interviews with representatives from each of the other 31 NFL teams, providing the opportunity for scouts to see players on the field as well as meet with them off the field to learn more about them and their football and other philosophies.

"A lot of it is getting to know me and know what kind of guy I am off the field and just talking football," Mannion said. "We're not really talking about specifics of last season so much. (There's been) a little bit about plays here and there, but it's not that analytical at this point. A lot of it is getting to know what kind of guy I am and my personality as a football player.

"I think I'm a pretty calm, mild-mannered guy. I try to just be a constant force on the field. I never want to be this guy going up and down all the time, mentally and emotionally. I just try to work really hard and do whatever I can to help our team win. As a player, I feel like I can make all the throws and I feel really comfortable in this pro offense."

The two-hour daily practices were considered the most important aspects of the week and it was there that Mannion said he hoped he made a good impression with teams.

"I'm not really coming in here with that mindset of proving something,'' he said. "I'm coming in here to play great football. I want to show them I can make all the throws. I'm not coming in here with an agenda, if that makes sense. I'm coming in here to play quarterback like I've always played it and really show that I have total control of the offense and I can make all the throws."

In Saturday's game, Mannion completed 9 of 14 passes for 94 yards and one touchdown. He threw a 10-yard scoring strike to Notre Dame tight end Ben Koyack early in the second quarter that gave the North a 10-7 lead at the time. He also had two carries for six yards.

But it was during the week of practice, under the watchful eyes of so many NFL evaluators, that Mannion said he felt he made some progress.

"I think they see that I'm not the fastest guy in the world, so in a certain sense that's a weakness," he said. "But I do think (I have) a pocket awareness, and to me that's a different sort of quickness. Being quick in short, small spaces, I think that's something I do well and I think I've done that well over the years at OSU. I think I always try to be quick and move well in the pocket.

"An important thing too is to keep your eyes downfield and feel the rush and not look at it, which is something I think I do well. It's a different sort of speed than running the 40 necessarily; it's about feeling the rush and being able to move short and quickly, always ready to throw from the pocket, which I do."

Mannion said the fact the OSU offense operated out of the huddle often helped him in the switch to running a pro-style offense. Overall, he hopes NFL teams will recognize the positives he feels he brings to the position.

"My focus here is to show things that I can do and really just come out here and play great football and work really hard at it,'' he said. "Whatever situation I end up in in the draft, I'm just going to be a guy who works really hard to help the team win games regardless of whether I'm No. 1 or No. 2. I'll prepare as though I'm the starter and just work at the things that I can do and help the team win."

Oregon State cornerback Steve Nelson had four tackles in the Saturday's game, three of those being solo stops. He also collected a pair of pass breakups. Punter Kyle Loomis of Portland State was called on to punt only once but he booted that one 47 yards and caught the eye of scouts during the week of practice.

I'm glad Haslam agrees that we need quarterback help...

My vote in the draft remains for Bryce Petty.

However with news breaking last week (and yesterday) about the Eagles wanting Mariota and Foles being on the trading block I see absolutely no reason why we can't at least call the Eagles and see what they would want in return. Foles has a 15-9 record and has thrown 46 TDs to just 17 INTs and he's only been in the league 3 seasons (So he's still young).

If we can't get Foles, how about someone like Sam Bradford?

Either way, yes, we absolutely need quarterback help.

I'm off the Manziel bandwagon, as I'm sure most of us are.

Can't say much about Foles.

But we've had a very long discussion on Bradford and while most feel he's a heck of a QB, there is little chance of him staying healthy. Why bother?

The Eagles have to be looking for enough ammo to trade up for Mariota (IMO). What can the Browns possibly give them? Do we really let #12 and #19 (and maybe more) go for Foles? Is he a product of Kelly's system? I think the price tag is too high given our needs at this point. I feel like it's Hoyer, a veteran FA and Shaw. Bury Manziel on the PS or just dump him.

I would give up our #19 pick for Foles. I would not give up both. If your going to give up that much then we might as well trade up to get Mariotta since our trade ammo is much better than the eagles.

I'm sure that the Eagles will look to see how much they need to trade up for Mariota if they determine that they have a shot. I'd like him to fall to #12 and then have the Eagles come calling.

And, if you believe that Foles is a product of Kelly's system and you bring him here, there is obviously a solution to that - you do your best implementation of Kelly's system here. I would think that would be obvious but apparently it isn't.

Personally, I have a lot of interest in both Foles and Glennon but I wouldn't give up a first rounder for either one.

"You don't teach reading coverages. It's natural. I could be wrong, but I doubt it."
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Completely disagree. When you come into the NFL you have to learn reading coverages.

In fact you learn every week as you prepare for each game.

The position of quarterback is a never ending learning process. You study constantly.

Film work is all about looking at how teams disguise coverages.

You don't just come into the NFL as a finished product and never grow. That is why they have quarterback coaches and OC's. Players gain experience over time through constant reps and studying. Unless your Johnny Doolittle

I like Foles and Glennon and I would give up #19 for either one of them.

I'd take Foles in a heartbeat and easily give up #12 for him but not both picks. Too many needs on this team at the moment. I'm not sure that would give Philly what they need to trade up for Mariota, though.

I think this all hinges on the Hoyer contract status. If we sign him, our picks are used on WR and DL. If we can't sign him, I think they make a play for Foles.

We have such a solid history of selecting Pro Bowl players with our first rounders, we better not waste one trying to solve the QB riddle!

Sorry but both of you and others think way to highly of our first rounders. If I could get a QB like Tom, Peyton, Aaron... I give anything. BUT for a mid range QB I have to get a really good deal or I have no interest. I just don't get that.

this convo is scaring me

yall would give up a 1st for foles or glennon?

glennon?

ugh.

I like the kid from what I have been able to learn about him. He seems like a guy who has a lot of the traits a successful QB needs, and he just needs additional development.

I can understand that. My implication was that it wouldn't take a 1st rounder to acquire either one.

Definitely wouldn't take a 1st to get Glennon.

I think that if the Eagles put Foles on the market then there could be a bidding war. I think Foles would take at least a 2nd but could require a 1st to obtain him.

Maybe, I don't think that it would take that much to get him from Philly if they put him on the block.

How many teams are going to be vying for him? Not many because there would be other QBs on the market and in the draft.

No, not really. I scanned some online scouting reports/player profiles and he is one guy who caught my eye. I mentioned him in another thread, but I never followed up and watched video on him.

Thanks for the article. I will try and watch some vids. Just not into it this year. I thought last year was our year to get a qb.

I don't like this draft at all and I especially don't like the QBs, but again, I haven't studied it like I did last year.

And I completely disagree w/that. You teach qbs to read defenses pre-snap, but you don't teach them squat about reading coverages post snap. That is a gift from God.

Good post. I wouldn't give up anything for Glennon.

Foles..........he is FAR AND AWAY a product of Kelly's system. Heck, he doesn't even fit it that well. Foles would be great in a system like Norv runs or that Shanny runs.

That did not come out right. LOL.......I have the flu. Yuck. I meant Foles is NOT a product of Kelly's system. Sheesh!

The only rookie QB I'm interested in bringing in is Anthony Boone from Duke, and that's only because I think we can get him in the 7th or as a UDFA.

Whomever doesn't have a QB and can't get Mariotta or Winston.

And the Eagles or Buccaneers would love to take you up on that offer.

Lovie Smith might have a heart attack if you offer #19 for Glennon..

I like the guy.. And I think he can be productive..

But I'm not giving up more than a 4th.. Possibly a 3rd (I'd ask for a 4th back)

Especially because they are probably going to take Winston. They won't even have room for Glennon on the roster. They would likely take anything for him because a third QB is worth next to nothing.

If I'm Tampa..

I ask Philly what they are willing to give up..

Just think if TB came out of this with a 1st and 3rd this year.. 1st and 2nd next year.. AND Nick Foles?

I don't know if Philly would pay that much.. I think Kelly is a great coach, but like most, I think being the GM/PP guy may be his downfall..

It all depends on Winston. If the Bucs view Winston as a franchise guy you don't trade that pick for anything.

I would generally agree.

But Tampa is so terrible. They need SO MUCH.

They could easily make that deal.. and build around Foles (already have two good WRs)

You take a guy like Winston, and put him on a crappy team.. and that's when you see the kind of stuff people are worried about coming out.. (especially still in FL)

It doesn't matter. If their is a franchise QB available, you take him and build around him.

Foles was unsustainably good for one season in an offense no one had seen before. He is just as much of a wildcard as anyone else

I'm not disagreeing with you.

Hell I'd love to have Winston here. I honestly think we'd make the playoff next season with his kind of talent (plus some FA spending on WRs)

At this point if Bortles succeeds he will be a complete aberration. Guys who started their careers similar to him since 2006: Jimmy Clausen, Blaine Gabbert, Brandon Weeden, Josh Freeman, Brandon Weeden, Bruce Gradkowski, Matthew Stafford, Christian Ponder, Mark Sanchez, and Trent Edwards. Bortles was the third worst among that group.

I'll play your game. Maybe there are teams that have QBs but are looking for their heir apparent too.

My guess is that teams will look to get a QB that fits the system they are going to use.

46 TDs and 17 INTs in 28 games is the definition of avaerage?

Are we really going to pretend that Foles 2013 season is something we can count on going forward? That season was quite clearly an aberration.

Clearly Nick Foles is a horrible player.

Clearly.

He should probably just quit playing football, maybe take up crocheting..

Foles is not a horrible player. Foles is an average player. Average is better than what we have had over the past decade at the QB position, but is it really something we want to give up significant compensation for?

I for one am so tired of below average QB play (22 different starters since 1999) that I am willing to give up significant compensation to get average to above average QB play! Not pointed at you CFRS15, but if we have average to above average QB we make the playoffs this year. How many other years since 1999 would we have made it? Not sure but I'm sure it would have been more than once.

Have a buddy who is a Bengals fan and he is actually complaining about Dalton. He says sure they have made the playoffs 4 years in a row, but he wants wins in the playoffs.

That would be a wonderful problem to have right?