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Um, Kyle Shanahan?

So what if Shanahan may of leaked it? Gordon was drinking and Farmer was cheating. Both where breaking the rules of their contract. If they played by the rules it would not be an issue now would it?

He had an ear to the ground before Shanahan arrived.

My guess would be that whoever his "source" is would be someone who was around both for Lombardi/Banner and the current regime.

[though I have no doubt Shanny and/or his agent were in his ear, too. They clearly used him to air greviences.]

I guess I'm referring to the content released to the media over the past several days.

I wouldn't disagree with that.

But he has other birds chirpin in his ear, and has for awhile. If I'm Haslam, I locate and fire them.

Isn't it conceivable that the 2013 source was Lombardi and the 2014 source was Shanahan?

Both are gone...."fired" perhaps to use your above term.

All of which would make sense if the owner and the GM couldn't go down on the field or if the locker room were off limits but that's simply not the case.

I agree it's a rule and he should pay a fine, but it's a pointless rule and should not affect the team.

You forgot a link where we can contribute money to this ever growing affliction which there seems to be no cure for. Research is needed for this cause.

I believe another case of:

it is as or more likely that both were Banner. Banner helped Atlanta get Kyle, so Kyle probably spilled a bunch of things to Joe (hey man, I'd love to coach Matt Ryan, but I'm stuck. Here's 32 reasons why I'd love to leave).

that is straight conjecture based on dot connection. it is also possible that there is a mole in the house. I hope not.

Lane Adkins indicated on Twitter that the majority of LaCanfora's recent story came from Banner and much less so from Lombardi. I can't post the link to the tweet due to profanity by the guy asking Lane the source of the leak.

Lane Adkins stated that what LaCanfora reported is in large part true, some items that were depicted as negative were not perceived as a problem at all in the building. For example, LaCanfora implying that Haslam and Scheiner were forcing themselves upon Pettine by being in Monday morning film sessions at 6am. In the end, he states that the root of any real or perceived dysfunction begins and ends with Haslam.

Take it for what's it worth.

man I would love to see that tweet from Adkins... hey refs can we get a stay of execution on this tweet?

this plot seems to have many twists and turns, need to see / hear more.

nice.

Then head on over to his twitter page.

Instead of dealing w/the crimes, you guys are looking who to blame for reporting it.

Your freaking morals don't exist.

It's disgusting.

Fantastic.

It's not a pointless rule. It's has a to do with spying on teams and relaying info to the sidelines on an unmonitored connection during a game. What Farmer did amounts to cheating. I'm willing to bet that we will lose a draft pick out of this.

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- I couldn't care less about "morals" when it comes to sports.

This is strictly entertainment to me -- I can separate the person from the entertainer ... They aren't my friends, family, etc. On Sundays, they aren't even "people" -- They're something I watch for entertainment and that's it.

For example, I think Ray Rice is a terrible human being -- But if signing him meant a Super Bowl in Cleveland? -- Sign him up.

How many Patriots fans you think feel their Super Bowl is marred by the Aaron Hernandez trial?

Absolutely zero.

I'd sign him too -- With Cameron leaving, we'll need a TE

I wasn't talking about the players, Top.

I was talking about a few souls who are trying to blame the problems on a reporter and a former OC. They are going off on it in an attempt to divert attention to what the real problem is.

The problem is not LaCanfora. It isn't Shanny. It isn't Lombardi or Banner. It's the Browns FO that is headed by Jimmy Haslam. They are the ones making poor decisions and that won't change no matter how much rhetoric others use to place the blame on others......

Rae Carruth could fill a big need at WR.

Vers, It's also entirely possible to hold BOTH parties accountable too, y'know? While I don't find as many issues with the current FO you do, I agree they are to blame. BUT... I also have a problem with people talking out of school and putting the crosshairs on the organization because they are butt hurt they got fired or were uncomfortable while here. No offense, but reading this thread, you like to deal in absolutes it seems. Like I said, PLENTY of blame to go around, and that includes us fans for mindlessly supporting this moribund franchise.

I hear you, Wolfley. I am not excusing poor journalism. But, I am simply addressing those who are ignoring all of what the Browns have done and are just finding a few scapegoats.

Now, I do wanna address some of what you said and I am going to try and look at it logically.

Do we have proof that Lombardi and Banner lied to LaCanfora about anything?

Heck, do we have proof they are his sources?

Do we have proof that Shanny is a RAT or has any ties to LaCanfora?

Is there a possibility that Shanny's grievances were made public and it had absolutely NOTHING to do w/him being a rat?

Do we have proof that LaCanfora is reporting false information? If so, why aren't the Browns vehemently denying it?

One more thing, even if there were bad feelings on the part of some.........does that make them wrong to have bad feelings?

I look at it like this............If I am an OC and the guys upstairs force me to play an inferior player......I am going to be upset. If they sit in on meetings and try to break down film, I am going to be saying WTH??? If they text plays down to me DURING a freaking game..I am going to say.......I'm outta here.

One more thing.............do you ever wonder if one of the reasons Banner and Lombardi were fired was because they did NOT agree w/Haslam in regards to drafting Manziel?

Heck, we all know that Lombardi was commisioned to do an in-depth evaluation of Manziel. What if his report is very similar to the one the Pats did [and that is entirely possible considering the NE/Lombardi connection.] What if Lombardi and Banner liked his skill set, but said he was just too much of a risk to draft in the first round and they instead championed Bridgewater. But Haslam, the marketing man, wanted Johnny. Banner is the kind of guy who would have told Haslam he was crazy, just as he did when Haslam wanted to hire Schiano.

There is way more to this story that most are not even trying to consider.

And I hope my post to you doesn't sound offensive. It is not intended to be. Your post was fair and logical. I respect that. It actually made me think. And I am not saying I am right. Just conversating, my man.

A little paranoid? The fine and suspension that Farmer will get won't hurt us. The losing of a draft pick could, depending on which round it comes from. I am more concerned on what free agents will think of the front office. It can't look good from the outside.

Woah...where did anyone say anything about spying? Was Farmer listening in on the other team's headsets and then texting the field? Did he have guys on their sideline listening to their gameplanning and then texting it to the field? But if those things were happening, it would be the spying that is at issue, not the means of communication.

Were cameras banned by the NFL after Spygate? After all, they could be used to spy again!!!

Come on man...

Yes.

Ray Farmer is in full on stubborn/defensive mode.

I've seen it my whole life from frustrated and unqualified executives, from restaurant GM's to television showrunners.

Things begin to go south, the stubborn defensiveness sets in, habits and opinions begin to mold and set. At that point outside advice, input and criticism are deflected or ignored, and it's only a matter of time before the ship sinks.

kind of like the mangini and spygate...both ratted. shenangan was mad that someone questioned his playcalling? didnt we all at some point?

I don't supppose it would be possible for Farmer to serve his suspension during the draft? After last years fiasco, that might be a perfect time for him to serve out a suspension....

This should bring and end to all the speculation as to why Shanahan left....

As far as losing a draft pick is concerned, we took two players in the first round last year that produced nothing in 2014. We lose a pick, I'll just figure that was one that Farmer would waste on a benchwarmer anyway.

I didn't. Considering he was working without a quarterback, installing a brand new and commplicated offense, and had two rookie RB's in the backfield? I think he did an AWESOME job. We went from FOUR rushing touchdowns in 2013 to SIXTEEN under Shanahan. And if Mack doesn't go down that number would almost certainly been over twenty. All with no real passing game and 8 men in the box.... Indeed, sure don't want a guy like that around gumming up the works at the Factory. Lets get back to the glory days of 4-5 rushing touchdowns a year and 5 win seasons.

That certainly can happen when you receive rampant, often unjustified, criticism instead of what you need...support.

I think we got some good pieces in last years draft. Bitonio, Kirksey, West & Desir all seemed like solid picks to me. The only one with any issues was West and he might get his head on straight soon enough.

The two first rounders, they were problematic, especially Manziel. The truth is that Gilbert has some translatable skills but will he ever live up to his draft status? Nobody really knows.

Don't be rational ... just grab a pitchfork and a torch. It's the thing to do.