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I just want to see a plan put into place, and that plan stuck with..

For once.

Glad to see you back around DC!

agreed.

I am not getting on your case, but you can't prove that. There were many players that were being considered as the first pick.

Teddy, Manziel, Bortles, Clowney, Watkins, Carr, etc.

The NFL scouts don't always see the players the same way as the media and fans do.

We'll see where he goes this year, which is a much, much, much weaker draft.

Good to see you back, DC. I hope all is well.

j/c

Interesting article from SWR (Sports World Report): (McShay's prediction was that we would not draft a QB in the first round)

To acquire one of the two top quarterbacks in the draft, the Browns have to trade up. Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer believes the Browns are preparing to trade up for Mariota or Winston instead of hoping one of them drops in the draft or grabbing someone like Brett Hundley instead. The Browns will only move up if they feel they can get one of the two best options, if not McShay's prediction could come true.

One thing the Browns will not be doing is trading Johnny Manziel despite his admission into rehab a week ago. The rookie quarterback has certainly started his NFL career on an interesting note considering he is getting himself in the headlines for everything but good football play. However, there is no trade market for the quarterback and Cleveland is aware. General manager Ray Farmer told the media that the Browns are committed to Manziel's future, but they are uncertain if he is ready to be a starting quarterback. Right now, they are not even sure if he will be ready to play come OTAs and even training camp. Manziel may be staying put, but that does not mean Browns fans will see him on the field any time soon.

One thing is certain, the priority for Cleveland needs to be re-signing Brian Hoyer. The veteran quarterback proved he can win last season, bringing the Browns a small amount of success during 2014, but he is approaching free agency and will not hesitate to walk away from the franchise. Hoyer wants to start and whether Cleveland wants to admit it or not, they are the best team for that to happen. Re-signing Hoyer at least gives the team flexibility at the position.

The Browns are a mess right now and need some stability. Josh Gordon is gone for the year. Jordan Cameron has no intentions of returning. Manziel's future is uncertain. Hoyer can be their first building block to getting back in the right direction while Mariota or Winston could be the future.

The mess is really quite simple to cut through: we don't need Gordon, Cameron, or Manziel. None of those three contributed significantly in 2014.

Move on from them all if that's how it works out, but find a way to retain Hoyer - ASAP.

Not only that, Mariota had not been vetted and scrutinized the way he will be this year. A lot of guys look great in that junior/senior year and put up big numbers, then once they declare and scouts really start breaking them down, interviewing them, watching them at the combine... a lot of shift occurs.

At one point in the 2013 CFB season, Bridgewater was the consensus #1 pick, worthy of giving up a years worth of picks to get.. He ended up as the last pick of the first round.

And thanks to everybody for the well wishes. I assure you that I've been fine, just a combination of the board issues which disrupted things for a while, being very busy at home/work, and being very frustrated with the Browns all served to keep me away for a while...

If we resigned Hoyer.

Drafted TE Maxx Williams at either 19 or 2nd round. And grabbed a WR at the other pick.. While also bring in a guy like Maclin (slight overpay)

I think our offense would be "fine" going into next year.. basically I'd just try to go back to what we were doing weeks 1-10.

Especially if the defense can continue to improve on what they were doing towards the end of the season.

It's not all peachy and great, but it's not the end of the world like some people think..

Glad to hear you are okay. And I hear you about the other stuff.

Glad you are back.

Now, don't let it happen again.

Nice article and I agree w/quite a bit of it. The one section I don't agree w/is the One Read QB segment. They showed one play. I remember that play. It was nice. However, in that game, there were numerous times where his initial target wasn't open and Mariotta did not stand in the pocket and read the coverages.

I saw it. I trust my judgement.

Now, the guy might evolve into a guy who can read coverages and go through his progressions, but as of right now.........he doesn't do that on a consistent basis. Heck, he rarely does it. He did have another good read early in the game where he went to his secondary guy, but those are few and far between.

You can't succeed in the NFL if that is the case. I know you are probably going to get mad at my take, but you asked me.....

The only thing I ask is, how often did Oregon even give him multiple reads?

I'm not saying he can or can't do it, but if their scheme was mostly one read, dump off, or run it.. then that's really not a negative on him I guess..

There is truth in that statement and it makes sense.

You are an Ohio State fan, right? Did you watch the game? Think about the times his primary receiver wasn't open. He didn't stay still in the pocket or move up in the pocket. He got out of sorts and we forced him into off balance throws or short yardage carries and even got a couple of sacks. He looked discombobulated.

See Vers we agree again. I watched a fair amount of Duck football. Mariotta is a nice kid. A nice story. But without a lot of work I don't see an NFL QB. He misses open receivers often partly because he throws to a lot of open receivers. I'm not sure he's got the accuracy to throw into tight windows regularly. The scheme he played in didn't often require it. His percentages were elevated by a lot of bubble screens and throws to receivers vacated by DBs/LBs crashing down on his running threat.
Can he translate his game? Maybe. Personally I want nothing to do with him unless he falls to 12. Which I don't see happening.

I think the spread rules college football, with the wider hashmarks, more room for speed players to move..

But it kills QBs overall potential to improve for the NFL. Which while isn't the "purpose" of College Football.. is the purpose of college football..

I don't think another year in Oregon would of done Mariotta any good.. Unless they completely changed their offense..

While I do think he could overall be a solid NFL QB, with time.. I don't think we have that time..

it's crazy how Cardale jones did more coverage reading than heisman winning Mariota. i know its about the offensive system but...man.

it makes me wonder if jones was a starter during the same years mariota was, and they both came out, who would had been the better prospect.

Even now, Cardale Jones is the better prospect and he's going back to Ohio State for another year.

I will forever love Cardale Jones for what he gave us. However, the only coverage reading he did was "Is the safety double-covering Devin Smith? Yes = dump or run. No = throw it up to him"

It was not a complex system that CJ was running. It was smart, but not complex.

Mariota did have some 2nd/3rd reads in the nat'l champ game (unusual for Oregon, honestly), but they were all WCO-style short throws. I don't think he has the mid-to-long range accuracy to get it in NFL windows at this point. But, hey, you never know and a WCO system could suit him well.

Cardale made some reads in the game and Devin Smith wasn't the only targeted receiver in the game. In fact, Devin Smith had two receptions.

Neither QB in that game was making NFL reads. Both would be overwhelmed if asked to run an NFL offense.

I was talking about his entire 3-game run, but Cardale wasn't asked to go through real progressions. That is okay, it's a college offense, which are not currently setup like NFL offenses (they do not need to be).

Maybe. I think that Cardale Jones show much more promise especially after such a short time to prepare. He's proven more in his short time than Johnny Manziel ever showed and Mariota had 3 years in the same system and couldn't get the job done.

Then, take in consideration his size, his arm (no, it isn't a rehash of JaMarcus Russell). Jones obviously has more brains than JaMarcus Russell ever had.

I think you should take another look at the game if you get the opportunity.

I LOVE Cardale, but I can't go along with the claim he proved more in college than Johnny Manziel. I'm down on Manziel, too. But he was electric in college. I have not forgotten that.

Or Mariota. The sample size for Jones is waaaaaaaaaay too small.

Cardale accomplished in three games something that Manziel couldn't do.

It helps when you have a great defense, and more than one good offense skill player..

Sure it does. That helps at the NFL level too.

So we are crediting Cardale Jones with all Ohio State's success? Braxton Miller or J.T. Barrett couldn't have done that? Did you see Texas A&M play last year without Manziel?

Well, Braxton Miller had nothing to do with it. J.T. Barrett did his part but he didn't finish the season, Cardale Jones did.

By your logic, I would turn it around and ask, "Couldn't Cardale Jones have done it from season's start?"

In regards to Johnny Manziel and A&M, did he ever win the college football championship? No? Isn't that the goal?

Of course they would, initially.. Almost every QB that comes into the NFL gets overwhelmed until they settle in and get some coaching.