you think farmer wasnt text and expressing concerns in the film room with the coaching staff because skrine was starting over gilbert? you think maybe skrine heard about it?
Where on earth do you come up with this stuff?
what concerns do you think he was expressing in the film room with the coaching staff? the flavor of the gatorade?
there is that common sense thing again.
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
Our best hope at retaining Skrine at a reasonable price is if the market dries up quick. We need Culliver, Cromartie, House, and others to sign before Skrine.
Sounds like Skrine wants out of this mess and who could blame him? He's gone so an already weak team is getting weaker.
What makes it 'sound like' he wants out?
...jc...
With reports that resigning Skrine is a high priority for the Browns front office and with a bunch of cap dollars to spend...if our front office can't resign Skrine, one of our own, we got problems.
Ray Farmer is under the microscope..
In a way i agree, but just because we have the most money doesn't mean we need to be stupid about it.
In the end, signing Fa players, be it your own or others is about need more than anything else. It could be there are a team or two with bigger needs at corner than us. If so, they are going to use Skrine as their marquee signing.
Might be a lot like Bodden when he left. Maybe the teams doesn't view Skrine as highly as the fans. Bodden left here to upset fans but pretty much flopped his way out of the picture. Is he still playing anywhere?
That said, I like Buster and hope we find a way to get him signed for the next 4 years.
In the end, I think Buster knows he has a fairly limited shelf life in the NFL. He is viewing this as his big money contract. He is going to go where the money takes him. I doubt he has another big contract in his future.
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If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
In a way i agree, but just because we have the most money doesn't mean we need to be stupid about it.
Especially when you can roll extra cap room over to the next year.
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Might be a lot like Bodden when he left. Maybe the teams doesn't view Skrine as highly as the fans. Bodden left here to upset fans but pretty much flopped his way out of the picture. Is he still playing anywhere?
This will make people feel old. Bodden is 33 and last played an NFL game in 2011.
In a way i agree, but just because we have the most money doesn't mean we need to be stupid about it.
Especially when you can roll extra cap room over to the next year.
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Might be a lot like Bodden when he left. Maybe the teams doesn't view Skrine as highly as the fans. Bodden left here to upset fans but pretty much flopped his way out of the picture. Is he still playing anywhere?
This will make people feel old. Bodden is 33 and last played an NFL game in 2011.
Liker I said, people were upset we didn't retain Bodden.
I like Buster, but he is a pretty average CB. He deserves a nice payday. I am just not sure how good or if we are the team who needs to provide it..
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
you think farmer wasnt text and expressing concerns in the film room with the coaching staff because skrine was starting over gilbert? you think maybe skrine heard about it?
Where on earth do you come up with this stuff?
what concerns do you think he was expressing in the film room with the coaching staff? the flavor of the gatorade?
there is that common sense thing again.
I worry about you sometimes...
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers...Socrates
You know...........there were quite a few really good posts on this thread since last I checked, but then you and a couple of others had to resort to the insult strategy again. I get that you love this FO and they can do no wrong at all and the last FO could do no right and the one before that could do no wrong and the one before that could do no right.............but.......
.............when there is actually a good conversation going on, could you give it a rest? Just for a little bit? Please?
Anyway........Pit made some great points. A couple of guys debated him w/reason and logic. I don't know who is right or wrong. Most likely there is truth in both arguments. But I really liked the discussion. It got me to thinking and that is always a good thing.
I really don't know the answer to the debate, but I really like the points you guys brought up. Thanks for the interruption of the Farmer is either a god or a devil nonsense.
I often despise the PFF rankings. Not sure of how they grade, but they are often way off.
8 teams wanting Skrine this early. Yet, the Browns might not want to sign him and rely on a bunch of "ifs."
Only the Browns.
It makes sense though. We just invested in a first round cornerback. That means we have a significant amount of money in a cb who would be playing 3rd string cb. As much as it'd be amazing to keep Skrine, it's hard to justify paying him with Gilbert on the payroll.
So, the thinking is to get rid of the productive player and roll w/the guy who sucked last year.
Yep, following up one mistake w/another is always a great idea.
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The Browns have made Skrine their top priority to re-sign, but those plans might be foiled. Skrine, the starter opposite Pro Bowler Joe Haden for the past two seasons, has made it known he wants to test the open market, and he'll likely receive some lucrative offers
I see all of this as signs that Skrine doesn't want to be here. And the reasoning as to why is simple. Farmer drafted Gilbert. That sends a direct sign to Skrine IMO.
This organization has plans to replace you. They invested a major draft pick in order to do so. With making such a move, they tipped their hand in showing you that you aren't a piece of the puzzle in their long term plans.
So what would a logical response be to this? Find a team willing to produce a long term contract with the money to show you are a part of the long term plans. With the guaranteed money that goes along with it.
This puts the Browns between a rock and a hard place. You did in fact attempt to upgrade from Skrine by drafting Gilbert. Your ultimate goal in doing so was to upgrade from Skrine. So now you're forced to go against those plans and vastly overpaying for Skrines services or go ahead with your plan.
I can see a serviceable veteran signed as a stopgap measure until Gilbert develops but not in them making the long term, guaranteed type contract that Skrine will command.
I'm not saying I like that outcome, but when looking at it from both sides I can see this as the most likely outcome.
But doesn't a lot of this depend upon how Skrine views where he should be? Outside or nickel? I think the general consensus has been that Buster would be best as a nickel. So it makes sense to draft a CB to play outside so that he can move inside where presumably he'd have a bigger impact. To me there's a difference between that and replacing him on the roster over all.
But the problem is the big $$ goes to the guys who play outside. I don't blame him for wanting to get paid.
I hope we re-sign him, but if he goes somewhere else I have to say its been fun watching him develop. It seemed like yesterday people were burning him in effigy on the boards. Now we're talking about a kid who's earned a sizable pay day.
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You know...........there were quite a few really good posts on this thread since last I checked, but then you and a couple of others had to resort to the insult strategy again. I get that you love this FO and they can do no wrong at all and the last FO could do no right and the one before that could do no wrong and the one before that could do no right.............but.......
.............when there is actually a good conversation going on, could you give it a rest? Just for a little bit? Please?
Anyway........Pit made some great points. A couple of guys debated him w/reason and logic. I don't know who is right or wrong. Most likely there is truth in both arguments. But I really liked the discussion. It got me to thinking and that is always a good thing.
I really don't know the answer to the debate, but I really like the points you guys brought up. Thanks for the interruption of the Farmer is either a god or a devil nonsense.
Since you asked very respectfully, I acceded to your request. But this is a new day and a reply is appropriate. My response was not insulting, rather it was a mildly-toned, hopefully humorous response to an incredulous post. But I also have a request, namely that you stop making unwarranted references to what you have tagged as "Regime Wars". It has worn thin...
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When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers...Socrates
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It will be interesting to see how Hoyer does if he ends up in a competition with Mallett IN ADDITION to trying to prove to a lot of people that he deserves to be a starter. I felt like he crumbled under the mental pressures that went with things here.
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So with the Texans reportedly signing both Hoyer and Mallet, you'd expect that Ryan Fitzpatrick would be released or traded. Here's Fitz's average stat line for the last 5 years:
I'm not sure if Hoyer crumbled as much as the entire Offense. I mean, when he was performing well, we have a pretty decent running game.
once we stopped being able to run the ball, everything went to hell in a hand basket. including Hoyer. the only thing that kept us in games was our D!
i know he had 2 bad games before gordon came back. one where we started grecko as center. "those people that were saying grecko could slide over and have very little drop off were insane" and the game were jj watt was back there more than our RBs.
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
Wow some good talent is walking and we aren't apparently targeting any. What great strategy. Must be relying on that stellar draft history. I just can't wait for the season to start. prediction..."PAIN!"
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Wow some good talent is walking and we aren't apparently targeting any. What great strategy. Must be relying on that stellar draft history. I just can't wait for the season to start. prediction..."PAIN!"
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Going to say this again, the Browns have talked to MANY and want their discussions to remain quiet, by request
This is simply not true. What could be true is none of them want to come here.
I agree! Again, who could blame them!
I'm certainly not sticking up for this FO in any way. But having been on this board for many years, I have heard this same sentiment over and over again going into the FA signing period every year.
Yet somehow, we always manage to land a couple of very good FA's. Since the FA signing period doesn't even begin until tomorrow, you'll have to excuse me for not being such a negative Nancy on who we can and can't sign until we actually see some evidence based on experience with such matters.
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