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With all this work ahead, DeFilippo is at least sounding like the right man for the job.

yes he does. his enthusiasm is evident and his principles are very sound with the stable of QB's we have. hopefully it can translate to the field.

I'm hoping that by being in rehab, he is getting it all together mentally/physically/spiritually. Right now, He is hidden, he is sheltered and can avoid negative distractions and influences.

Maybe he stays in until right before workouts so he can jump right back into football and not be distracted or tempted....who knows. Maybe Johnny 2.0 is in the making and the Phoenix will rise from the ashes!

I wouldn't compare JFF with the Phoenix yet, but he has to be a better quarterback that we saw last year right? right? right???
Seriously, I do hope this situation will turn Johnny's life around in a positive way. Pulling for him to recover 100% and hopefully it will "spark" his pro football career.

I agree he has to be obsessed with football to be able to be a good NFL starting QB.

If he doesn't quit drinking & partying, that's it for him in a starting role - but - given the dire selection of QBs available, he might be able to stick around for a few years as a backup or third stringer.

It's all up to him.

JMO, but I think it's a "time to grow up and take this seriously or go work at McDonald's" year for Manziel. We are tired of the various excuses, tired of all the off field attention he brings to this place who has plenty of that and the list continues.

Put up or shut up time and if he can't get it right, I doubt we or any team would even care to try him out for a 2nd or 3rd string Qb. JMO

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Johnny Manziel continues treatment

BEREA, Ohio -- Johnny Manziel is still in a treatment facility nearly five weeks since announcing he was seeking the help he needed, Browns coach Mike Pettine said Monday from the Cleveland Auto Show.

On Feb. 3, family adviser Brad Beckworth announced Manziel had entered a facility on Jan. 28 to "improve in order to be a better family member, friend and teammate."

In two days, Manziel is scheduled to hit the six-week mark.

The Browns are encouraged by Manziel's offseason and believe he can improve as a passer behind the coaching of offensive coordinator John DeFilippo and quarterbacks coach Kevin O'Connell. But football is an "afterthought" with Manziel right now, Pettine said.

"We're giving him his privacy and let him do what he has to do," Pettine said. "It was something he was very resolute needed to get done."

Pettine said there was no set end date for Manziel's release, making his availability for offseason workouts uncertain.

In an earlier interview Monday with ESPN Cleveland 850, Pettine said it's "too soon" to know if Manziel will be ready for voluntary offseason workouts next month.

Manziel struggled in seven quarters of play as a rookie, completing 51.4 percent of his passes for 175 yards and two interceptions.

The Browns last month signed 12-year veteran Josh McCown to a three-year, $14 million deal with $6.25 million guaranteed -- slightly higher than typical backup money.

The Browns "absolutely" expect McCown to make them better on the field in 2015, Pettine said.

McCown went 1-10 as Tampa Bay's starter last season but threw for 13 touchdowns and one interception the year before with Chicago.

"If you talk to anybody that's been with him, they just rave about the character, the football aptitude, how he makes people around him better, just being an example, professionalism, maturity," Pettine said. "That's not why we brought him here. If we wanted a mentor, that's what you bring a coach in for. For me, the guy can still play. When the circumstances are right, he's shown he can play at a high level."

The Browns are leaving the option open to add a quarterback to the roster, possibly through the NFL draft in late April.

Good for him. Relapse doesn't have to be part of recovery, let's hope he is getting what he needs.

I've tried to address this with you twice, but so far no reply back.

Are you stating that they are done at the QB position?

I don't think the fans, or this staff, has labeled Josh 'the answer'. If he was, he'd have gotten better than somewhat above backup money.

There was no free agent "answer". Most people don't even think the draft has any answers. It's not a great year for Qb needy teams, which we are always in that pot!

I get the sense from some on here that the signing of McCown means we are done looking at the position. I do not see that at all.

All the options suck.

So regardless of what they would of done, people would of complained.

Had we done nothing, people would complained..

Had we traded for Aaron Rodgers, SOMEONE WOULD COMPLAIN..

Well yea, even more of those discount double check commercials on local tv, ugh ....the horrors!!!!

No it doesn't have to be but it usually does. I'm going on 21yrs sober, I've sponsored dozens over the years, I'm obviously very open about my experience and many have been very open with me. I wouldn't write him off and I think it's commendable that we're keeping him on the roster and helping him whilst staying out of his face but as soon as I heard he was entering treatment my opnions of him being out QB went from slim to none. 22 year olds with tons of money, girls, hangers-on and tons of pressure, attention and scrutiny in a very difficult job just don't lift off into the football heavens with nary a hiccup. Hiccups for him are going to be catastrophic and televised in surround sound. I'm willing to wager great odds that as strong as he may be and as noble his intentions this will not stay neatly in the rear-view. I don't mean to be so cynical but I liken this to a bad concussion issue. It WILL come back up again. It will most likely be at the root of his finish either sooner or later. I've known a very small precious few in high positions who managed to not compromise greatly to get over this hurdle. It just almost never happens. Jmho

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Problem is, I haven't seen anyone in the FO or coaching staff name McCown the starter and his contract isn't in line with starter money. So I don't buy into that premise.

Also I didn't say anything about a fantasy. It's early March. Today is the first day of FA and we haven't had the draft. So I view it as an incomplete picture to make such bold comments about.

From my perspective, it's like complaining about the bread being baked when it was just put into the oven. Nobody knows what the outcome will be at all yet people are complaining about how the bread tastes.

Too true. I a couple of years away from my third attempt to get sober when you got sober and it took me yet one more try to finally stay there... only 8 1/2 years here. At the same time, all it takes is for him to have that one little epiphany and to want it more than he wants to get high.

I agree completely though, the odds are definitely stacked against it.... it's hard to really feel the cost of your addiction when everything in life comes so cheaply and easily.

Maybe Hartline's brother Mike is coming with him to play with QB. Never know.

GEEZ MAC, that's Pits point. for cryin out loud, nobody is playing games with you.

What he's saying is, NOBODY says the browns are done adding QB's.

The VERY reason is what your saying, we don't have much today. we need to add someone or several someones.

"you'll 'tank' us later"

Lol!

I can't really argue with either of ya cause money and (relations with the other sex) usually cause a ton of grief. He doesn't have these problems.

I do have to wonder though about his pride and self-esteem. This kid has been all that since he was a freshman in college. And now? He flat out sucked for the only full game he played.

I would guess that it was a terrible blow to both of those. Now you're looking like a huge bust. Wonder if some of his 'friends' weren't available all of the sudden. One look in the mirror is all it takes.

If this kid actually gets clean, then he has a chance to become a nfl qb. Can he stay sober? As long as he continues to connect the dots.

No Mac, what I'm saying is we have no idea of how the QB position will look as of yet going into this season.

I'm not saying that in the end you "may" not be right. But we are far from knowing if that is true as of today.

We didn't have one and I don't see one. I think it's a poor year to address the QB position and that includes the guy we didn't re-sign.

I would like to have seen us get Foles somehow but I think that ship has sailed. So what would you like to have done?

I mean it's easy to point the finger at the FO but what do you think they could have done to help the QB position? Are you one of those that felt Hoyer was the answer?

If we really did go after Bradford, that tells us what the team is thinking about Manziel.

What the hell does that even mean? I like Pet, but man, I wish he would go back to reading Dr. Seuss or something similar and learn how to formulate a sentence.

Five weeks for Manziel. I wonder if people are still wondering why I called him Johnny Drunk? I hope he really does beat this thing, but man, it's such a risky proposition. Quitting smoking is NOTHING compared to quitting drinking.

God bless, Johnny.

We may not have gotten too far had we pursued Bradford...

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And....... can you fault them for that mindset given what Johnny is and became? I don't think any staff would go into the season hoping JF can help us in any positive manner. Let alone a staff that needs a stable Qb in beyond the worst of ways.

Actually quitting smoking is much harder than quitting drinking....but carry on.

Don't really get why you would name call someone with a problem.

The fact of the matter is that Manziel did absolutely nothing to deserve being the starter this year. He let everyone down. That i do understand.

Now he may or may not every become a great NFL qb, but his chances sure got a hell of a lot better if he is trying to better himself and sober up.

I don't fault them at all. I have been saying the same thing all off-season.

Name call? Where?

And sorry man, but I have tried both. It ain't close.