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Doesn't look that way, SB:

'Kelly: Mariota trade price too steep'

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/124615...-marcus-mariota

Blurb:

"Let's dispel that right now," Kelly said. "I think that stuff's crazy. You guys have been going with that stuff all along. I think Marcus is the best quarterback in the draft. We will never mortgage our future to go all the way up to get somebody like that, because we have too many other holes we have to take care of.

"We're not mortgaging our future for any particular player. That's just not philosophically what we think is the right thing to do, that you're going to package 20 picks to move up from 20 (in the draft) to some other spot. We have not had any discussions (about such a trade)."


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I guess I missed a lot yesterday afternoon, when I went to bed.... First Cameron resigned with the Browns, then he didn't and signs with the Dolphins!

'Jordan Cameron signs with Miami Dolphins, not Cleveland Browns'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._social_feature

I think he is one concussion away from hanging it up anyhow, so... Honestly? Whatever.

I hope Jordan Cameron gets everything he deserves =)

All of this happened after I went to bed. I saw an article that said he signed with Miami. I opened it up to find the Browns stuff in there... lol

Panic?? About what?? We might not make the playoffs next year?? That's par for the course.

Not a rap on you, dude. I'm just slipping into my usual off-season despair ...

So Cameron gets an offer from us then MKC announces it to the world and within hours the deal falls apart and he signs with Miami for the exact same money? After thinking about that I wonder if his agent and Miami didn't just do that to set the price and make Farmer look bad in the process. If so, it worked! Thanks for your great reporting MKC!

I think Cameron saw his options were closing off and leaked the offer the browns made a few months back to pressure the Dolphins into signing him now instead of later. I am willing to be our NEW offence doesn't pass to the TE very much.

Good, glad he's back. Hopefully he can stay injury free.

I mean in an offense where the primary goal is to run the ball...yes, I'm fine. On the oppisite side of the house, people seem to think that Dray and Barnidge cannot catch and have horrible hands. That is not true. Do I think we will bring in a guy with hands in the draft? Sure, but at this point to cry about losing a guy that could not stay on the field last year is moot.

I was thinking about the 10 year old kid wearing his Browns #84 jersey last night after hearing they had re-signed his hero. Welcome to C-town sports, kid.

Did Cameron pull a "Boozer" on the Browns (makes verbal agreement, then bolts), or did Mary Kay jump the gun? The social media era certainly is a mixed blessing, idnit?

If I were to make a guess, I'd say that Cameron's agent conveniently leaked an agreement with Cleveland (that was probably just an offer) in order to force Miami's hand.

Obviously Cameron wanted very little to do with Cleveland unless he absolutely had to come back ... and we probably offered him out of desperation ... and they used it to their advantage.

Typical.

Tight end Jordan Cameron appeared to be headed back to Cleveland on Thursday afternoon right up until the moment things took a sharp turn in Miami’s direction.

Posted by Josh Alper on March 13, 2015, 7:02 AM EDT

His reported two-year, $15 million deal with the Browns became a two-year, $15 million deal with the Dolphins instead in a change of course that feels like par for the course as the league seems to be specializing in curverballs and changes of heart this offseason. Cameron spoke to his new team’s website after reaching agreement on the deal and said that the presence of quarterback Ryan Tannehill helped sway him.
Jordan Cameron: Playing with Tannehill a “big part” of decision

“He’s young, he’s willing to work and he puts the hours in. They were singing his praises today. It was definitely a big part of my decision,” Cameron said.

There were surely other reasons, the lack of state income tax and a warmer climate come to mind, but the certainty at quarterback in Miami has obvious appeal when compared to both the current Josh McCown/Johnny Manziel situation in Cleveland and the overall lack of direction at the position that Cameron has dealt with during his Browns career.

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Jordan Cameron signs with Miami Dolphins, not Cleveland Browns


By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group
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on March 12, 2015 at 9:20 PM, updated March 13, 2015 at 7:52 AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Guess who else is taking his talents to South Beach?

In a bizarre twist of events, former Browns Pro Bowl tight end Jordan Cameron signed with the Miami Dolphins just hours after multiple national reports that he had agreed to terms with the Browns on a two-deal worth $15 million.

Instead, he inked the same deal with the Dolphins, and will now be a deep threat for Ryan Tannehill instead of Josh McCown, Johnny Manziel or whoever else the Browns might start at quarterback over the next two seasons.

"There's a lot of stuff they're doing, state of the art things that not a lot of teams are doing,'' Cameron told the Dolphins website. "They've got a young squad and I'm excited to see where they're going. They got (Ndamukong) Suh obviously yesterday and he's a big deal and Tannehill's making strides. I'm excited to be here and it's going to be a good thing.''

Cameron stressed that Tannehill, the No. 8 overall pick in the 2012 draft whom the Browns also considered that year, was a determining factor. In 2014, Tannehill threw 27 TD passes against only 12 interceptions and earned a 92.8 rating. Meanwhile, Johnny Manziel is still in treatment and the Browns don't know if he'll ever live up to his first-round status.

"(Tannehill) is young and he's willing to work and he puts the hours in and they were singing his praises all day today and it's definitely a big part of my decision,'' said Cameron, a fourth-round pick of the Browns in 2011 out of Southern California.

Things got crazy around 6 p.m. when reports surfaced from Yahoo Sports, NFL Network and ESPN that the Browns had reached agreement on a two-year deal with Cameron worth $15 million. In response, a source told Northeast Ohio Media Group that no deal had been struck at that time. As the evening wore on, Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports reported that not only did the Browns not have a deal, but that the Dolphins were close to finalizing one with Cameron.

The Browns headed into free agency with the idea of letting Cameron test the market and set his price instead of placing the transition tag of $7.017 million or the franchise tag of more than $8 million on him. If he was willing to sign with them at the right price, they were in.

He spent the day in Miami on Thursday, and the two sides apparently discussed numbers. But suddenly, the national sites reported he was heading back to Cleveland for an average of $7.5 million a year -- one that would make him the eighth-highest paid tight end in the business. With the Browns deal not finalized, the Dolphins apparently got back in the game -- or were never really out of it -- and reeled in their newest Dolphin.

Meanwhile, the Browns are left with dwindling options for a premier tight end. According to the Buffalo News, the Browns entered free agency very interested in Dolphins tight end Charles Clay, 25, who received the transition tag from the Dolphins last week, the one-year tender worth $7.017 million. Clay, a converted fullback, caught 58 passes for 605 yards and three touchdown passes last year despite a few nagging injuries.

But the Bills were equally intent on landing Clay, who visited Buffalo this week and even looked for houses there. Clay returned Thursday night to Miami, and the Dolphins had no immediate plans to take the transition tag off of him so he could become an unrestricted free agent.

The News reported that the Bills were still planning to make Clay an offer, one that the Dolphins will have seven days to match. The paper also reported that the Bills do not perceive the Browns as a threat to those plans.

The Browns also expressed interest in tight end Ed Dickson, who re-signed with Carolina, and former Bengals tight end Jermaine Gresham, who visited the Raiders but has no immediate plans to sign there. Gresham was not a top priority for the Browns at the start of free agency, but could be a plan B.

Cameron is the latest Browns' unrestricted free agent to sign elsewhere: Brian Hoyer signed with the Texans, Buster Skrine joined the Jets and Jabaal Sheard signed with the Patriots.

Meanwhile, the Browns have expressed interest in eight-year Chiefs veteran receiver Dwayne Bowe, who was released this week in a salary cap purge. Bowe, who spent six years in Kansas City with Browns general manager Ray Farmer, caught 60 passes for 754 yards and no touchdowns last year.

In addition, free agent cornerback Perrish Cox visited the Browns on Thursday, but is headed for a visit with the Titans on Friday.

Browns Haunted by Their Reputation as Jordan Cameron Spurns Former Team

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/23949...rns-former-team

Still upset this morning that Cameron is gone. Don't know why we didn't at least transition tag him. This non-move was stupid. The contract offered by the Browns was at the same level as the tag.

What's even more upsetting, whether true or not, is the public perception, in all media outlets today. It's the same old stuff. Very depressing.

I agree.

Rand Getlin of Yahoo and Ian Rapport of NFL network were first to report Cameron had signed w/ the Browns.

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Label me the A-hole here, but I think by middle season after Jordan is riding Miami sidelines, we will look back and be thankful this deal never went down.

Not sure why they didn't tag him either Memphis... It doesn't look like we are getting Clay or Gresham either so I'm not sure what their plans are... which isn't any different than yesterday, a week ago, or months ago who knows if they even have a plan.

I wouldn't dream of telling people how to feel, but I personally do not care at all about "public perception" across the country when it comes to the Browns in particular, or Cleveland in general. I think most of the country already thinks we all live next door to an abandoned factory, alongside a river that burns, in some Mad Max post-apocalyptic wasteland. Those of us that live here know about Cleveland's warts, but we also know all the good things it has to offer too. The truth is that people on either coast already think of places like Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, etc as "flyover country", and nothing our sports teams do is going to change that. I used to care about what New York and L.A. and Chicago thought of Cleveland, but now I only care about whether our team kicks their team's ass. I want the Browns to get back to where teams dread coming in here to play our team because, win or lose, they were gonna get bloody. Right now, we get circled as a "W" when we are on someone's schedule, but that is going to change when we get headed in the right direction. They may not like our city, or us, but they are going to respect us. And I'll be damned if I'm going to lose any sleep about whether some sock puppet on Sportscenter says something snarky about my team, or my city.

Try it, its liberating.

/Sermon

We'll likely never know. Possibly his agent in an effort to push Miami into a deal?

My thoughts on Jordan Cameron....

#1- Very talented guy; match up nightmare with good speed and size.
#2- Below average blocker and that's being polite.
#3- Can't beat press coverage of any kind. Disappears in games.
#4- One concussion away from possibly having to retire.
#5- Was here four seasons, stayed healthy only once.
#6- Injury prone, not overly tough.

Add all of this together? You get a replaceable tight end.

With that being said....

Last night stung.

I hated hearing he re-signed (cause I was excited) and then having the rug pulled out from under me.

I sincerely hope we can make an aggressive offer for Charles Clay and Dwayne Bowe (like rumors are saying we could). We're getting desperate for weapons here and I'm not sure we can depend on a handful of rookies to contribute from the word go (as we'd be forced to draft offensive help in the mid-rounds).

Are we really that far off and desperate now? Last season Barnidge and Dray took over for TE and was productive. Jordan was sidelined and even when he was on the field, it was as if he was still sidelined as he wasn't productive at all. Not sure losing him is such a big hit. He had one solid season under a very TE friendly, pass happy scheme.

Same thing with Josh, sidelined majority of the season and again, when on the field was unproductive.

Biggest hit to us was losing Austin, which was replaced by Hartline. I'm not saying we have all the elements, still need a real #1 WR, but just suggesting we aren't as *f'ed* as some may think.

That pretty much sums it up.
He's a phenomenal athlete that is a super tough matchup for most any defense, but he's fragile and can't block and can get taken out of the game by physical defenders all too easily (hence, disappears).

And on the can't block note - I bow to OverToad on this as years ago he stated flat out that Cameron could not block, and I asserted heavily that "could not" was a poor choice of words and it was just something that Cameron needed to work on.... well, I was wrong as Hell. He cannot block.

Very replaceable by anyone that might be less athletic, but can block and doesn't disappear quite so easily - which is why Barnidge & Company showed up so much last season.

Completely fair and I definitely appreciate where you're coming from. I guess I am not there yet. I want people to look at Cleveland, not just it's sports teams, but also the city, in a much better light. It deserves it. The residents deserve it. Whether right or wrong, but sports have now become the largest platform for regional perception. And often times, that trickles into city value or exacerbates long-standing generalizations-- like your aforementioned burning river, rustbelt warehouses, factory of sadness, etc., etc., etc.

That aside though, it's not just NY, LA, CHI media...it's our own writers. And I don't mean Grossi or MKC. There are much better people than that who are continuing to add fuel to the ever blazing fire. I guess that is what is doubly depressing to read...the optimists are even running for the hills.

Frustrating is all.

Not yet, Memphis (although I guess you are meaning the media)...

I am referring to the media. It's when Eotab runs to the hills that we know something is really wrong.

Eotab would NEVER run to the hills, although I guess if things went into the dumpster, he might walk slowly backwards. He is the epitome of a loyal Browns fan...

This is my thought to the "T" with losing Cameron and Gordon for the year. I don't understand this "sky is falling" mentallity when you look at Cameron, he had 1 tremendous year in 2013 and was average at best in the other year's he was a Brown. I apprecieate his athleticism, but I would rather have a traditional TE who can not only catch, but block real well too. I'd take a guy in the mold of Watson over Cameron any day.

Mac,Milkman, My thoughts also,but change possibly to most likely/probably. Never deal with attys verbally only with agreement in writing with their signature attached in ink. And you you have either original or copy in your hand.

I'm not overly sorry to see him go but has there been any information on what actually happened? I read something about Tannehill getting involved.

Hew has it right..... athletically gifted guy but not a complete tight end and not close to an "elite" tight end a la Graham, Davis, Gates, Gonzalez.

Jordan Cameron gets $5 million guaranteed on two-year deal

Tight end Jordan Cameron has had three concussions in his NFL career; before he truly cashes in, he’ll need to prove that those issues are behind him.

His new contract with the Dolphins pays him handsomely to do just that.

Per a source with knowledge of the deal, Cameron will receive $5 million fully guaranteed on his two-year, $15 million contract, with $4 million to sign and a $1 million fully-guaranteed salary in 2015. The rest of his compensation for 2015 is tied to per-game roster bonuses.

It’s a whopping $2.5 million, earned one game played at a time in the amount of $156,250 per game.

So if he’s able to play, he cashes in — and the Dolphins become more likely to keep him around in 2016 at the other $7.5 million he’s due to be paid.

Meanwhile, the Browns apparently are miffed that Cameron didn’t sign a similar (but not identical) offer to stay in Cleveland. But a deal isn’t a deal until it’s a deal (profound, I know), and Cameron is hardly the first player or team to back out of a contract before it was finalized.

Besides, the Browns had plenty of time when they enjoyed exclusive negotiating rights to Cameron. If they wanted to sign him to a new contract, they should have done it then.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-two-year-deal/

Details on Cameron's contract...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-two-year-deal/

Basically the more games he plays the more he makes. This is screwing Miami's cap for next year even more, as the bonuses for each game he plays in that he didn't play in last year is a NLTBE bonus and therefore counts against 2016 cap. What are they doing?

I agree. I feel JC is not a complete TE not to mention he is 1 good hit from being on the DL or worse. I hope this does not happen and I do wish him well.