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Glad both teams said no.

If true farmer is a dumbass. 2 will get you 1 his source is lacanfora lol

At this point anything the Browns get from Manziel is positive, I think you have to look at Manziel as questionable at best for 2015 and even if he does come back nobody knows what he's going to do on the field. The FO has to think of him someone that is competing for the QB position but at least at this point in his career is far from a starting QB in the league so I think all options are still open for them.

Big Oil buddies with partially shared legal teams talk to each other, and as long as season tickets are at a certain level, JH will comply.

Recovery outcomes that matter to the young man's personal life depend on his own will to seek help, not his father's connections. So that matters for him, despite what calloused, dismissive fans focus upon.

Your personal benefit, and the benefit to the team, from his ability to play no longer exists in the minds of many, since it likely is over for him professionally.

Thank God Chip Kelly is a nut.

92.3 The Fan make an interesting post, if Chip's moves don't work out, he can instantly go back to college and become likely the highest paid college coach. Made me wonder if he'll pull a Marrone or just be let go but leave the Eagle organization hurting with all the moves he is orchestrating. My close bud who roots for Philly considers "Chip Kelly" to be a curse word haha.

so on draft day we trade a first for Bradford so Kelly can move up and get mariotta?

In a painful thought - that is what I'm afraid of.

Unfortunately what I fear as well, however my fear goes a little deeper that it'll take more than a first, which IMO is already way too much for someone as brittle as Bradford has demonstrated over his career, to make the trade happen.

I think that ship has sailed for Kelly. Bradford is his QB.

Agreed. We are beyond dumb to have offered a 1st for SB if we did. I love Sam, and would have loved to have him, but the Eagles got shafted giving up what they did, and I honestly believe giving up a 1st is just as bad.

I say that not because Bradford isn't a good QB, but he's just never healthy. He was never healthy in college either.

On a side note I bet the Eagles take Hundley or Petty in the 2nd.

I think we are willing. I don't think Kelly is. If Kelly wanted to get Mariota he would immediately trade Bradford for a first round pick right now. I guess he could waiting for draft day to see how things unfold, but I don't see how giving up assets to get Bradford makes it more likely that the Eagles will get Mariota.

Do we ever make a trade with Kelly after he stiffed us?

Wow,, Casserly said it was us. well that seals it

I don't get how holding grudges would ever benefit anyone in the NFL.

With news of that nature and how realistically I believe that Ray would've done/tried something like that, Jason LaCanfora could have said it and I would believe it.

Now, draft day is another story. It could all but come true... and yikes!

My thinking when I read Chip Kelly said no....

He might need to secure a trade up with Tennessee first. If the Titans agree to trade down for say the Eagles 1st & 2nd (and a pick or two next year) AND the Browns #19 overall pick, maybe Kelly DOES send us Bradford...

If Kelly had a guaranteed way to land Mariota, I'm willing to bet he would trade us Bradford.

In my opinion, he would be a major upgrade, when healthy, he's been really productive. A lot of people don't give him credit for that because the Rams had a BAD offensive line and a BAD cast of WR's for him the last few years....

this is my line of thinking also... uh oh

Perhaps the biggest obstacle in all of this is if the Titans want to draft Mariota. If they do, there is no trade they will take.

Again, I don't see how giving up assets makes the Eagles more likely to get Mariota.

absolutely correct about the Titans... they want Mariota... Kelly is outside looking in ( assuming he does want Mariota).

technically I agree, I would be more willing to give picks for Foles than Bradford, NOT A FIRST THOUGH... FOR EITHER !!!

I just wee that report about our offering a one and think is Kelly trying to snooker us?

I think Kelly made up the report to make his own trade look better.

ha !!

From what I read all he would have to do was tweet Grossi and it would be all over social media.

The Rams reported they were offered a low 1st for him as well, but wanted Foles. They both could be lying to sell what was an unpopular trade by portions of their respective fan bases, but going off what we know I imagine someone is stupid enough to do it.

Again, I wouldn't give a 1st for either, but would actually give more for Bradford because he can be a franchise guy if he ever gets healthy......no way Foles is anything more than average. If I was the Rams I would have screwed whomever offered that 1st and moved on.

This is the most plausible answer.

Instead of Bradford, wouldn't Foles have been a better player for the Titans to go after. I mean, Foles is younger and I think at this point, has a great upside give that Bradford can't stay healthy.

So why trade for Bradford only to use him as a piece of the bait to get a chance at Mariota?

As odd as it sounds, I think Kelly thinks that Bradford is his guy going forward.

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Report: Browns expect Johnny Manziel back for April workouts

Posted by Curtis Crabtree on March 24, 2015, 12:43 AM EDT
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Johnny Manziel has spent over seven weeks in a rehab program for alcohol and substance abuse. However, the Cleveland Browns expect Manziel to be with the team for offseason workouts that are set to begin on April 20.

According to Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com, Manziel is an anticipating his release from the program in early April.

Browns general manager Ray Farmer did say Monday that the final decision on Manziel’s release remains with the personnel handling his rehabilitation. Nevertheless, the team expects he’ll be released in time to rejoin the team.

“I don’t think it’s in doubt,” Farmer said. “Again, I’m not the point person in that. So I would defer to those kind of controlling his care and let them decide what that looks like.”

Manziel had a dismal rookie season with Cleveland last year. He started only two games and did not throw a touchdown. Both starts resulted in Cleveland losses, including a 30-0 defeat to the Cincinnati Bengals in Week 16.

Despite the addition of Josh McCown this offseason, the Browns quarterback position isn’t vastly different from the group that finished last season. It leaves the door open for Manziel to make another push for the team’s starting job if he can get his off-field issues in order.

Good to hear.

Good for him he likely will be available come 4-20 (no pun intended) workouts. Hopefully we see a new young man with new motives, initiatives and attitude.

One thing is for sure, I'm keeping my hope at a low level cause there's already been ample amounts of disappointment, but always open to being proved wrong!!!

It is good to hear. I wish Jm nothing but the best I hope he overcomes his problems and becomes a very good QB for us. I believe if he puts his head to it and works hard he will be just that.

Say it ain't so. Manziel will not be of help early on next season it appears to me. We may get plumb dumb crazy in draft maybe. Carry six maybe seven QBs next year?

Sorry. Just read Mac's above. So we assume "available" means "playable"? Not sure what limitations post-rehab might have on JFF.

but but according to inside sources Johnny was going to be placed on IR? how could this possibly happen with both La Canfora and Rizzo reported the same thing, I mean they pulled their information directly from a fans twitter account whose cousin's brother assured everyone that his neighbors maid had connections within the Browns, as her nephew delivered pizza to the coaches meetings on monday nights.

He will not miss anything browns related and no doubt when pettine visited him he took him a copy of Flip's playbook lol

Now let's just hope he is left alone (fat chance).

Been saying that about Rizzo and Grossi for years.

What, that they are emperors with no clothes?

I remember it as JF COULD be placed on IR.

PUP List most likely..

But I doubt it comes to that.