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I can't see anyway we place JM on the practice squad unless we are done with him, and then why would we keep him? If we don't want him, then we try and trade him, if no takers, then release him. I just don't see it.

Yup, that's why I said it's too bad he lacks the skills.

If Manziel were placed on the PS he would be signed elsewhere immediately and we would get nothing.

I get it, but technically speaking, could they place him on the PS? If so, why? I thought anyone with a NFL start is no longer eligible for PS, I'm wrong and would like to know the details.

Edit, if anyone else is also curious:

The way I read this, JF would NOT fit on a practice squad

That is the aberration, not the rule.

He wouldn't even make it through waivers.

Do you have a link for that?

epsn played the comments earlier this eve and it was not nearly as negative as the articles made it out to be.

He basically said 'I don't respect Josh or Johnny. They don't take football seriously. I hope they get it together'.

I'd call that harsh. Tone doesn't really change the words.

I'm glad Joe is fed up with losing and comfortable with his role as a leader to be more vocal in the last few months. I hope he continues to do so.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/126270...teammates-trust

Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel, who is undergoing voluntary rehab treatment, will have to prove to his teammates that he's dedicated to winning, offensive tackle Joe Thomas said Monday.
Manziel's Starter QBR Was Terrible

Johnny Manziel had a 1.8 Total QBR in his two starts last season, losing both games. Since 2006, that's the worst Total QBR by a rookie quarterback in his first two career starts.
QBR
Johnny Manziel 1.8 2014
Jay Cutler 3.1 2006
Max Hall 3.9 2010
Tarvaris Jackson 4.1 2006
-- ESPN Stats & Information

"I think he's going to have to prove to the team that football is important and being 'the man,' being the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, is important, it is his goal, his single goal in his life," Thomas told ESPNCleveland.com.

"You know, I think he lost probably a lot of trust among the guys on the team last year by the way he handled himself once he became the starter. And I think he had a lot of time to reflect, I'm guessing, after the season was over by the comments he made in the media and by his actions, checking himself into rehab. ... I think those were really positive steps."

Manziel voluntarily entered treatment Jan. 28 as a direct result of his lifestyle away from the field, and he informed people in his circle before entering treatment that he wants to "figure out his value system," a source told ESPN.com.
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McManamon: Thomas speaks truth on Manziel

Joe Thomas spoke the truth about Johnny Manziel, who needs to win back the trust of his teammates upon completion of his rehab, Pat McManamon writes.

He's expected to attend the Browns' offseason workouts, which begin April 20. Manziel, who took an Easter weekend trip with his family, is allowed to make occasional trips as part of his rehab program.

"I'm hoping when we come back in April, we see a new Johnny and everybody's blown away with his commitment," Thomas told ESPNCleveland.com. "And I think he's got the talent, so it's just a matter of if he commits himself to it, we can have a really good quarterback on our hands."

However, Thomas, an eight-time Pro Bowl tackle, said the Browns have taken the right steps this offseason by signing free-agent QB Josh McCown.

"Obviously there's some uncertainty with Johnny right now and that's why we brought in Josh," Thomas said. "He's a guy that if he's asked to carry the flag this year, he's going to do a great job. There's a chance we draft somebody or there's a chance Johnny comes back and he's a new person and he's rededicated to football, and he turns into the great quarterback that we expected when we drafted him in the first round."

Manziel, selected by the Browns with the 22nd overall pick in the 2014 draft, completed 18 of 35 passes for 175 yards in seven quarters of NFL play before injuring his hamstring in Week 16.

Manziel is all over NFL Network now with Manziel and Thomas's comments. If it wasn't being displayed by the announcers via a skit - it's gone by the ticker thing at the bottom at least 300 million times.

They even showed that play where he kept backing up and couldn't get the ball out and then got pushed and seemed like he was just going to take a nap lol. I almost had totally forgotten about it. This play:

Someone needs to give Betty White, laying there, a Snickers.

J/C ...... Manziel should be at the bottom of the depth chart for now. He was awful last year, was lazy, and did not prepare.

3rd is no surprise, and there is no one who should be shocked that this is where the Browns see him.

He needs to prove himself to the coaches and to his teammates. He does not have an easy road to travel .... but if he does throw himself 100% into being the best he can be, he can win his teammates and coaches back to him.

It isn't going to happen overnight though, and I really don't see him opening the season as the starting QB under any circumstances. He is going to have to prove himself, and when he gets an opportunity, he will have to take advantage of it.

Dittos...

Not sure, but I might be okay with that approach. Right now he is a camp arm.

Whether you BELIEVE in Manziel or not I think the most logical thing for the front office to do is to just keep him on the roster and bring him to OTA's and training camp. Let the kid compete to be the backup or even the starter. If he still isn't showing improvement, you just move him down the depth chart or even release him if his performance is bad enough.

I understand it's tough to judge a rookie on 6-quarters of football, and we need to give our 1st round pick an entire season to play and grow, but nothing about last year makes me think he should have the starting job simply handed to him. That's a massive gamble. I see absolutely no harm in letting him COMPETE for the starting job with McCown and whichever rookie QB we draft. (I would be shocked if we don't draft a mid-round QB).

The best thing to do, is to move on as if Johnny Manziel isn't in the 2015 season plans, and if he comes to camp and surprises everyone, great. If not, well no big deal, just cut him and move on.

Just my two cents.

I'm rooting for him to clean up his life, but the way he crapped the bed last season and virtually spat in the faces of the city, fans and teammates by not working hard or giving a damn about his preparation really makes me think that as of now he doesn't deserve to be a Cleveland Brown...

Refs I figured this would be the place you would want this. If not I apologize

http://www.dawgpoundnation.com/2015/04/0...ny-manziel-and/

Mac I couldn't agree more. This would be a bone head play. If we were going to give up something like our 3 rd 4th and 5th round picks then maybe. But I'f we give up first round picks for a guy who can't stay healthy and doesn't want to be here then I would seriously question if perhaps Haslam is forcing farmer to do these things because I cant see farmer being that dumb

You are right Swish,, That would be bone headed to give up Manziel and a 1st and other picks for Bradford who will mostly likely end the season on the IR.

Very bone headed! Type of move that, for me, would cause maybe a full collapse of trust in the front office. It'd be difficult to recover if that news comes true.

that one thing is something that would lose trust? hehe. i dont trust this team with 2 first round pics again.

Not sure I follow? Did you make that up or is it a fact?

On so many levels, I just hope this is not true..... And if it is true, that we don't do it.

I worry about Bradford's health ..... and would be very worried if we were to trade for him ..... but he would be the best QB we have had since 1999. (except for one year of Anderson) Playing in an offense that limits his exposure, and gives him rock solid protection behind an excellent OL (and with an excellent defense) could be a situation in which he could thrive.

Although Bradford's injury history worries some, it doesn't worry me. It seems no matter who we get to be our QB year-in and year-out ends up on the IR at some point in the season anyways. We might as well have a decent QB who is sure to get hurt instead of a mediocre QB who is sure to get hurt.

The fact that he wouldn't resign with us, however...

You kinda have a good point I'm sorry to say.

As for him not signing with us, from what I've read, it's all about the money. I wouldn't want to pay him big money either. So I'm thinking the Browns are being smart here.

Johnny Manziel making hospital visits

I don't know if all this will add up to Manziel being a better football player, but it is very good to see any person get their life back on track.

To be honest that may have been the first report i have ever seen of him doing anything unselfish.

Finally, a decent to even positive article/fact/ordeal for Manziel!

I'll say it cause most here know I don't like/approve of the kid, but *hopefully* this is the beginning of an endless series of positive events and etc that Manziel is starting to generate.

However, it's all still a wait game.

Just a standard pre-arranged P.R. gig.... let me know when he's doing all the right things without any cameras around and no publicist saying "Hey, look what we've arranged for Johnny to do today so that he looks like a great guy".

Not a PR gig, its part of his REHAB to make the visits per ESPN Cleveland WKNR

I disagree... in the past days... it would hamstring a team for years...money wise... now it doesn't as much....

What if we only had one draft pick last year, what if we had two but used it on another position instead of QB...(lets leave Carr and Bridgewater out of this conversation for a moment), that would not have hamstrung a team "for years" to extrapolate a bad pick ( even a first rounder) into years of failure is not necessarily true.

Now you still have to find the QB regardless of why you don't have one, but the implication In this article is since they have JM that prohibits them from finding another QB... there is no cause and effect relationship, you need to find a QB regardless of who is on the roster and one person one the roster does not keep you from doing that.