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jc I believe a lot of the terminology is the same from last year too.
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jcI believe a lot of the terminology is the same from last year too. If DeFilippo is to be believed, yes.
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Are you saying that you can't be passionate when teaching one play at a time? No, If I were saying that, I would have said it. What I am saying is that this is an argument about very little. There are numerous productive ways that material can be presented. I'm also putting the unconfirmed "100 installed plays" remark in context with the entirety of Hartline's comments. When I read Hartline's remarks I didn't sense any confusion, frustration or uncertainty. What I took from his overall statement was excitement, enthusiasm and readiness to get things going. Ultimately what I'm care about are results on the field. If I start hearing that guys are confused about their roles. Play calls are too long and complex or how the old scheme was better or easier to understand, then I'll have a reason to be concerned. It will take more than three words to set my hair on fire.
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Nothing personal, I absolutely understand your concern and I do agree with it, but I think those concerns at this juncture are lacking context.
We have a new first time OC, Manziel is back, its year 2 for Pet who just led us to 7-9 (and with consistent average QB play likely the doorstep of the playoffs), its a new season, etc etc... there's a lot of excitement and the author is paid to help whip that up. I think saying a 100 plays while has SOME basis in truth, I also think its likely a bit of an exaggeration to portray BIG things are going on.
I mean honestly, if the headline read: Mike Pet's New High Energy OC Flip installs 5 plays on First Day... don't you think most people would find it rather underwhelming?
The biggest problem IMO is that the author used the term "installed".
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offensive coordinator John DeFilippo installed nearly 100 passing plays on the second day of offseason workouts. Question for any of you who have actually played or coached football: How smart is it to install almost 100 plays in day? LOL........they never cease to boggle my mind. I don't have a problem with installing 100 plays in a day.
It might seem like a lot of plays, but it might be something like one play with 5 different options of that one play...thus it might actually break down to only 20 different plays with 5 options.
Until I hear players complaining that they can't handle the load that Flip is putting on them, I have no problem with installing 100 plays.
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J/C... I think this is the product of the new CBA - We are only allowed 4 hours a day with the team and that includes - conditioning and technique as well as the class room. 100 plays Over kill? I think it is the necessity of the times. Installed - Zip Zap Jett motion, formations. I'm not sure did it say PASS PLAYS? So we are talking 10 plays from each formation with a Left & Right doubling the count. Explained by the QBs in front of the class - with questions answered and a 100 play section of the play book high lighted so each players brings it home as HOMEWORK to study cause under the new rules that is where a good portion of the memory of the play book will be done - at home.
What was not said was that each day in succession he put in 100 plays...that would be confusing.
I think what is happening is that they are installing 100 plays. Go home learn it. We will run it as close to perfection as we can during camp...then we will install another 100 plays.
I think some who think its way too much in one day envision us putting in another 100 plays in a day or two and then 100 more. I am of course not certain but I would think we just put in the first installement - 100 plays.
And I think it was the way he did it. Where there is multiple plays off of one formation and its is to take advantage of defenses who will adjust and we then show the same thing and do something off of that adjustment. So it is not just memorized but UNDERSTOOD by all.
I also like how the QBs take turns in the explainer of the play cause when you teach its one of the best way to learn!
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Think he said that HE would learn the new terminology rather than the whole team "worshipping" his playbook. That impressed me as a solid coaching move.
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Thanx.
I thought our "new identity" thang was pathetic as much as historical IMO.
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j/c
I think the entire term of "New identity" is quite foolish.
I mean we lost our last 5 games in a row. Once Hoyer lost his effectiveness, we really were not good at running or passing the ball.
To me our O entered this season without ANY identity. You have to have an identity to begin with, before you can create a new one.
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Why should we care at this point if they have an identity?
At this point we need a QB way more.....
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To me our O entered this season without ANY identity.
You have to have an identity to begin with, before you can create a new one.
Hmmm so they can never have an identity by your statement, since they need one to create a NEW one and they now have none so a new one can never be created.
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At this point we need "the right QB".
We've had the wrong one over and over again.
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No, it's called creating an identity. You can't re-create something you never had.
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No, it's called creating an identity. You can't re-create something you never had. If they create one it would be a new identity and you stated they can't create one because they never had one.
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New identity suggests you're replacing the old identity. When you have no identity, you have to create one to begin with.
You're purely debating semantics here.
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New identity suggests you're replacing the old identity. When you have no identity, you have to create one to begin with.
You're purely debating semantics here. Maybe NO IDENTITY was the Identity and now we are forming a NEW IDENTITY and it will be different than the OLD NO IDENTITY...
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Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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at this point, I'd consider endorsing the idea of identity theft
Browns is the Browns
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at this point, I'd consider endorsing the idea of identity theft Haha, well done.
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I just hope our new identity is not sucking. That would be great.
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I just hope our new identity is not sucking. That would be great. Can't be, that wouldn't be new.
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I just hope our new identity is not sucking. That would be great. Can't be, that wouldn't be new. Not sucking would most definitely be new.
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New identity suggests you're replacing the old identity. When you have no identity, you have to create one to begin with.
You're purely debating semantics here. So it's not a new born baby, it's just a born baby.. since it wasn't a baby before.
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New identity suggests you're replacing the old identity. When you have no identity, you have to create one to begin with. We had an identity. It was running the ball when everyone knew we were going to run the ball.
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I just hope our new identity is not sucking. That would be great. Can't be, that wouldn't be new. Not sucking would most definitely be new. Ok, I read your comment completely different.. If you read it, I just hope our new identity isn't sucking.. it has a whole different meaning.. but I see what you meant now.
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New identity suggests you're replacing the old identity. When you have no identity, you have to create one to begin with.
You're purely debating semantics here. I see what you are saying I just misinterpreted what posted before.
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That was a funny run of comments. lol
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That was a funny run of comments. lol Yep.
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at this point, I'd consider endorsing the idea of identity theft Haha, well done. Isn't that sort of what we're doing by keeping most of what Shanny left?? lol
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For that volume I bet the offense will be some kind of read option. Give the guys 20 plays then use a coded system to call out the routes for up to 5 variations. They call a formation and the QB reads the defense and yells out adjustments to the WR. Boom instantly a different play while still being the same. Just keep it to 5 base sets during preseason and teach teh QB to change the WR route based on the defense he sees. One code for the route and one code for the distance to run it. Simple and done.
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We now have a plethora of Defensive lineman to play WR, TE and QB! Great going "texting" GM!
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We now have a plethora of Defensive lineman to play WR, TE and QB! Great going "texting" GM! Take a deep breath, step back, and look at our entire roster now. Who in our division has a better roster in its entirety?
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The D is shaping up, but there is no offense still.
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Quick change.
We have a mediocre passing offense.
you had a good run Hank.
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Quick change.
We have a mediocre passing offense. mediocre? Have you looked at our QB's?
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We now have a plethora of Defensive lineman to play WR, TE and QB! Great going "texting" GM! Take a deep breath, step back, and look at our entire roster now. Who in our division has a better roster in its entirety? grim..wouldn't it be great if division winners were decided by analyzing each team's roster?
Now, back to reality...where did the Browns finish in the division last year?...LAST!
Every team in our division has a better roster than the Browns..until the Browns prove differently on the field!
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We now have a plethora of Defensive lineman to play WR, TE and QB! Great going "texting" GM! Take a deep breath, step back, and look at our entire roster now. Who in our division has a better roster in its entirety? grim..wouldn't it be great if division winners were decided by analyzing each team's roster? That would help the league cut down on injuries
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Good news is that we have 100 pass plays,now wejust lacking receivers...
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grim..wouldn't it be great if division winners were decided by analyzing each team's roster? That would help the league cut down on injuries lol
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[quote=SuperBrown]We now have a plethora of Defensive lineman to play WR, TE and QB! Great going "texting" GM! Take a deep breath, step back, and look at our entire roster now. Who in our division has a better roster in its entirety? [color:#FFFF99]grim..wouldn't it be great if division winners were decided by analyzing each team's roster That would help the league cut down on injuries Bradford might damage his knee taking a stack of papers to the shredder
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