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I really doubt that. Regardless, what is your point?

j/c

I just really wanted Jaelen Strong in the 3rd round when he was available ... I think he's going to be productive

I know one thing..the Browns offense will be easy to scheme against in 2015.
Farmer knows he doesn't doesn't have a QB worth a darn on the roster.
so he's gonna try to turn the clock back to 1972 and just run run run.
He must have been watching the Dolphins with Greise Kiick Morris.

If the Browns get behind 10 pts they are done.
This is not a offense designed to score alot of points.
Your 2 top WRs had what a combined 5 TDS in 2014?

I see Farmer has a plan unlike Heckert.
I just don't think it will translate to wins.

How come the Browns haven't found a guy that can flip the field and give you favorable field
position if your gonna have a offense that should be on the antiques road show?

The talking heads are lauding the Titans draft after Mariota and DGB. I seem to recall the same talking heads having Savage lauded for moving back to take Quinn.

The press like the flashy names and boom or bust picks. Not saying Mariota or DGB are busts at all but solid picking does not sell web clicks.

I like our draft plenty, others are welcome not to.

I agree. Good teams conduct this type of draft.

NRTU

Exhibit A: Chaun Thompson vs Nate Orchard. Discuss. Or Veikune. Or Robiskie, etc etc.

I know which I'd rather have as a 2nd rounder.

Orchard is a football player. Our team plays football. Not athletics

you should have been here when Robiskie and Veikune was drafted. the love and praise was flowing for Mangini.

I've been here for years, just don't post much

I think I may be misunderstanding this statement a little...

Are you saying they are ignoring something?

This offseason, we had needs to address on both sides of the ball, the MOST GLARING was the 32nd ranked rush defense..not even close to any other aspect really.

So far, they have upgrade with Randy Starks, Danny Shelton and Xavier Cooper..

Next priority, we had a below average Passing game and running game.

So far for the passing game they have upgraded with Dwayne Bowe and Brian Hartline replacing Miles Austin and Rob Housler replacing Jordan Cameron. Obviously it is yet to be seen whether Housler was a product of the system, or he is actually a downgrade to Cameron. What we do know is that Cameron was fast becoming an injury liability and Housler certainly has Cameron's traits without the injury questions.

Running game, we upgraded a lineman with a first round player that could possibly upgrade 3 of the 5 positions on the line. After Mack's injury last season, it was painfully apparent we had NO capable backups as the line collapsed as the season wore on once he was lost for the season. Erving not only upgrades either of the right side positions, he also gives us the insurance policy needed if Mack is slow to recover from the broken leg. They also drafted the change of pace, receiving RB that was lacking on the roster that will give this offense yet another dimension lacking in year's past.

So far, the only dimension of the 4 phases (not counting special teams) was the pass defense that didn't need a lot of help with upgrades. So far, the only phase not upgraded...yep you guessed it the pass defense..

How can ANYONE argue that Farmer isn't attempting to improve this team?

Core elements were added, others upgraded. This roster, imho, is MUCH improved already over last year's roster at this point of 2014.

You are making me feel old

I understand where you're coming from. The "younger" fans are the NFL Redzone/Fantasy Football generation.

Lots of good points ! With my rose colored spectacles on I agree with lots of comments and the roster breakdown by Steve and Day of the Dawg.

Draft theme? Smart, 'blue collar', high effort, high character football players. Heavy emphasis on the trenches. Controlling the line of scrimmage.

If you don't like the plan - that's fine. If your guy didn't get picked, I get that you might be miffed. But the derogatory, self serving "I'm right right right" comments that pepper these threads is nauseating. . . . I would have tried to trade up for Williams. At 12 I would have taken Parker and hoped Shelton dropped (he would not have, i read that the Saints would have taken him) ... I don't think I would have taken Brown at 19 - probably Dupree.... None of that happened.

I like that Farmer is sticking to his and Pettine's plan. Regardless of what you think of Farmer ... I see Pettine in virtually all these picks. They seem to exemplify what Pettine wants out of his football players. Dysfunction in Berea ???? Apparently not based on this draft so far. Reading between the lines I see HC and GM on the same dang page on how to build your team.

More - the plan seems to be to make the QB as easy as possible. The better the running game, the easier it will be for the QB to succeed. . . does that mean JM or McCown are guaranteed to be lights out? Of course not. Does it mean that the Browns will run the ball at will if we have atrocious QB play? Of course not ..... But as others have pointed out. Offseason QB options were extremely limited. After the Titans took Mariota - there isn't a QB to take as an immediate upgrade over what we have. . . . . so - trying to maximise the QB's chance of success with this draft is smart.

What this draft is not about - sexy, splashy, big name picks. It's not about ignoring what the players did on the football field and changing grades based on combine and pro day works. Gee - I know some of the haters would have loved it if this had been the case last year???? You know who would be in the roster if they had done this last year huh?? Maybe this is a year late on the QB front - but at least its the right thing now.

I said it elsewhere - I have no idea if these guys will work out and be starters in the NFL. I don't know whether they are going to be good, bad, great .... I do know that if the team had been built this way from 1999 - chances are we'd have had a far far better football team to watch the last 15 years.

We have two big, young WRs on the roster. Not sure how they are developing, but Farmer must see something good in their progress. Thoughts?

Rodney Smith (6'5", 220 lbs, 4.51 - 40 yard dash):
2013 Combine: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/rodney-smith?id=2539674
Highlights: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p-sZDv0W0s4

Kevin Cone (6'3", 216 lbs, 4.41 - 40 yard dash):
1 highlight: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v0mNC2ev40k
Profile: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=85465&draftyear=2011&genpos=WR

For all of the front 7 help that they give the team, the team had a lot of front 7 help in the recent past.
Krueger, and Desmond Bryant as significant free agent signings, along with Winn, Hughes, and Armonty Bryant in the draft.

Ray Farmer, or is it Pettine, (someone from the team) has been saying on multiple occasions that there is going to be competition on the roster. How much competition do Marlon Moore, Taylor Gabriel, Travis Benjamin, or maybe another have to face, even to make the roster.

When the games start, sometimes the other team is going to get turnovers for touchdowns and early leads of 17 points or more. At that point, the run only offense is puts the team in a real disadvantage. At that SAME point, the negative point differential doesn't allow you to utilize your pass rush on D, because the other team doesn't need to pass to catch up.

So if they had a significant, field stretching, quick score opportunist, to take a lead, then there would be a scenario for wins.

: defense built to play with a lead
: offense unable to get them a lead

Rodney Smith is intriquing, but I'd like to see him use his size more. Love the size, length, huge hands, but the highlights didn't really show them. Didn't really see any jump balls, contested catches, or much physicality. Not saying he can't do those things just didn't see them in those highlights. Hopefully you're right.

I'm not that bummed about not getting WR mainly because we still don't have a QB to get the ball to our WRs.

Maybe some of us believe the 32nd ranked run defense can best be addressed by getting an offense that can take a lead, force other teams to have to pass to catch up.

If I'm the Steelers, and I'm up 21-3, or 21-6, then 21-9, All I have to do is Run all day.

What's the downside, you're going to force me to punt and get the ball back in 3 plays?

The Browns in 2013, couldn't beat 3 teams with injuries in their secondary, if I rememeber right.

Early in the off season Pettine was quoted in multiple articles that the intent was to get the defense to an elite level since it was closest to being a finished product. It was all laid out pretty straightforwardly.

I'm certain I can find one or more of these articles if you'd like? The fan base was not mislead.

If I was a defensive coach working for a franchise that fires head coaches every other year, I'd try to make sure the defense was taken care of first, too.

In the event he is searching for work next offseason, McCown can be a good excuse. The 32nd run defense can not.

I like Pettine, just keeping it real.

Your free to interpret the motives any way you wish. I'm unconcerned with the motives. What I know is they are doing what they said they would.

I'm 32 and love this draft. I don't think I'm old.

"Evans was the Cream of last years WRs can't envision a better rookie season. The Bucs who were actually suppose to be an up and coming team. Well so how good did they get and in the Worst Division in football oh right they were picking 1st in this draft. If that isn't testimony to what I'm saying I don't know what is."
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Apparently many GM's of the NFL disagree.

In 2014 twelve receivers were taken in the first 2 rounds. ( 5 in the first).

So far in this years draft:
9 receivers in the first two rounds ( 6 in the first)
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Saying that Evans had the best year for a receiver and because the Bucs won two games does not illustrate a thing.

Who was the quarterback?

Good receivers help good quarterbacks win games.

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Just read the dang quote/interview I posted towards the top of this thread. As I stated off of it...here's the answers to your questions

I totally agree with this...





Teams didn't want Montana because he was small. Teams didn't want Wilson because he was short. Teams didn't want Brady because he was skinny.

But I think we've learned that just because a QB is not a physical specimen doesn't mean he can't play. Those three have done pretty well for themselves without having the physical stature.

But Grayson, Hundley, etc are not passed by because they are short or any other physical concern. The concern is they lack skills, especially reading defenses/coverages at the Pro Level. Their problem is the mental aspect, not their stature as it was with Montana, Brady and Wilson.

To take a QB in later rounds just because you need a QB and you think you can develop him into your Franchise QB based simply on the fact that you've heard his name a lot leading up to the draft is nothing but wishful thinking and fools gold.

Further, to get mad because we didn't draft one of those late round "gems" and hate on draft and the GM because of it is silly as hell.

aaah, one of the more intelligent ones with mature restraint. Quit showing off.

Yeah, for all you guys who are disappointed that we didn't draft a WR take a look at these players and pretend we just drafted them.

Better now?

Lucky for us, we have Manziel who is small, short, and skinny(ish). Maybe he'll surpass all three. *waves pom poms*

TL, you just keep getting better and better.

Good stuff.

Clearly we should pick up the Browns D/ST in fantasy this year.

It illustrates that a great WR does little to increase your win total.

The Bucks were 2-14 in 2014. They had 2, count 'em 2, 1000 yard receivers. Where are the wins?



But good receivers do little to help bad quarterbacks win games.


They also had arguably the worst OL in the league.

You think they need OL players?

Instead they bring in a 1000 yd receiver from FA and draft another 1000 yd receiver. Again, where are the wins?

You know, I think we're onto something.

Looking at it like that... we're in great shape...

Glad you ate that Snickers bar

"But good receivers do little to help bad quarterbacks win games.


They also had arguably the worst OL in the league.

You think they need OL players?

Instead they bring in a 1000 yd receiver from FA and draft another 1000 yd receiver. Again, where are the wins?"

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Please what is your point?

The Bucs were a bad team?
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21 receivers were taken in the first two rounds in 2104, and 2015.

Were they drafted there to improve the teams?

Are you trying to make a point that elite receivers don't help teams win? Or, they make no difference? What?

Football is a team game. Great teams have balance. They do many things well. Last I checked passing is a large part of the game.

What happens on pass plays? Linemen block, quarterback throws, receivers catch the ball.

Would you rather a have a average receiver or a pro bowler?

Uh - isn't EVERY player drafted to help improve the team?

I just have not seen a logical attempt to improve the team in areas of need.

Comments about the FA WR's and TE are do not provide any comfort.

This is as bad as the Butch Davis days, and although I normally try not to lob the bombs, I am frustrated that this team will go a second year without improving the team in an area of need, while losing one of the few playmakers on offense and replacing him with a cast off with no demonstrated level of success in the NFL.

I feel as though Farmer peed in my Wheaties this year.

Why disregard how they addressed WR and TE needs in free agency and run defense, pass rush, the secondary, and o line in the draft? The FO addressed a TON of needs in a short amount of time. They have done a lot of good work this off-season, IMO. Realistically, what else could they have done? I think people have extremely unrealistic expectations.

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Tried to find it online but haven't been able to. On NFL Networks broadcast of the draft they had a fan pole showing 86% of twitter responses have a positive view of the draft.

The header for the report was #nfldraft fan approval?