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oooh one entire play.... sounds like a large division in the coaching staff

Hmmm, with a good BBQ sauce...

where did i say there was? you and your buddy are trying to put words in my mouth. all because you dont like the way the facts sound. why is that anyway?

What facts? You implied that Pettine was a control freak and I don't think that's true.

So is like the sky dark Blue or Light Blue today ?

Its a darkish light blue...or maybe a lightish dark blue.

Still too early to tell what the biggest issue is with the offense is so far.

Franchise QB aside, I'm leaning towards the Oline and RB's lack of depth and time working together. The oline isn't pass protecting or run blocking very well. I'm hoping PS-G3 shows more promise on the offense line and at RB.

And you can spin it any way you want, but he was on a count and he reached it. Why make a plan for a player and then not carry it out?

I mean, for cryin' out loud, the quote you posted spelled it out for you. I have a feeling that the only part you chose to pay attention to was the, "I used executive veto power and pulled Duke out of the huddle", while completely ignoring the reason he gave before saying that.

You know, if you tried hard enough you can make a negative out of nearly everything... oh wait!... you already do.

Dude, there are negatives and then there is building mountains out of mole hills.

Sorry, late for the party. This ^^^ is the answer to the question/thread title.

So far he's thinking too slow, or at least did in the last game. Any real QB would be looking fine to great.

Looking forward to the next game & hopefully seeing Bowe & Duke added to the mix. I'll have to see a much quicker McCown before I go blaming Flip, O-Line & RBs. (Damn, I wish that nickname didn't make me immediately think of Weeden!)

You if you cant see it... then... well, its about par for the course.

It's best to forget weeden was ever a Brown, yes.

He was very Weedenisque last night for the 'Boys... brought back memories.

Oh yeah he was a great one!

I like this post. What follows is my opinion.

Since returning to the league, the Cleveland Browns franchise has defined the word "hapless." There are many reasons for this; high turnover in management and coaching, even ownership; poor drafting choices, mismatch between players and the constantly changing team approaches, etc. To me, the underlying problem is lack of continuity.

Trying to bring in top coaches, from HC on down, is a very hard sell. In any profession, there are jobs that help your resume, and jobs that don't, and coaching for Cleveland is generally perceived as the latter. In the first several years after Haslam bought the team, he went through 2-3 HC searches, and more searches for OC, DC, etc. He consistently watched the best candidates pass on the job offered. Being a man who built major company in a competitive industry from the ground up, he made the decision that if he can't attract the best, then concentrate on promising new talent hungry for a chance to prove themselves.

So we have a 2nd year GM, HC and DC, and a 1st year OC, and all of them in their respective positions for the first time in their careers. There is a learning curve, and mistakes are inevitable. There will be friction as the various personalities and roles gain definition. And as Pit points out, not everyone will pan out. The advantage, and what gives me hope, is that they are all learning and growing together. This has the potential to develop into something special...or not. Success won't be overnight, and there will be adjustments (for instance, Shanny wasn't a good fit.) It is unrealistic and counter productive to judge the process this early. If continuity is the biggest problem with this franchise (as I believe it is), then this process of building from the ground up has to be allowed to come to fruition. Anything else is continuing the same problem.

Oh yeah he was a great one!

Jesus H.

So no one is going to admit to being "Elpresador" hey? All right. Well at least admit to seeing his videos then.

This thread is exactly why coaches and players should pay no attention to the media and Internet.

Perfect response I think. Flip has never been an OC in the NFL so he has no record of tendencies to look at to form an opinion like this.

Seems a bit judgemental at this point.

Say this after say 6 or so games in the regular season and you would at least have something to hang your hat on.

I never heard of him. But went to see a video. Freakin' guy is out of his mind! I've watched Browns games with people like that around. Bitch and yell the whole game.

Funny stuff man!

I won't argue that, but man, there are so many more positive fans that are "probably ignorant" and "add nothing to the discussion" and reply to "each issue with no real thought" other than to gang-up on anyone who doesn't agree w/the majority.

I believe that your own perceptions on the current regime are clouding your views on how posters post.

Here, let's look at some of the comments we have read since the end of last season, shall we?

--I really believe Gilbert is our break-out player.

--It's different this time.

--Does anyone else think that for once we have guys who know what they are doing?

--McCown is really accurate.

--McCown will be a different back because of our great OL.

--We are like Seattle.

--We can win because we have a top 5 defense and a great ground game.

--Our WRs will be okay.

--We are not dysfunctional.

--Things are different this time.

Need I go on?

But it really is different this time - we have another OC

I have watched allot of his videos. Especially after a loss. He looses his mind.

what you saying flip did not want him out? pettine said differnt. and thats a fact. maybe i am not the one that can not read? maybe its you and the glasses?

you need to drag yourself down that rabbit hole... I have much more important things to worry about then one play in an entire practice... have fun with it though.

Let's be nice guys.....biggest problem is continuity, JMHO, Mack, Thomas, G experiment...and our WRs been out lots...and DBs....my vote is lack of continuity...GO Browns!!!

no tex you have to read everything. all started with this.



yea i said trust flip with the ?.

then i made a smart a...coment becaue i thought anyone with half a brain could follow what i was thinking.



then i expanded on my thoughts because some people are just to stupid to put 2 plus 2 together.



and then all every one said was about the i heard he yanked duke johnson out of practice over riding the OC. wich is a fact.

Johnson was on a pitch count, which is also a fact that was explained by Pettine before he tongue-in-cheek mentioned his "executive veto power".

But the only fact you saw was "executive veto power" which you turned into "yanked" and "over riding the OC" as if the HC over riding an OC in a practice session in favor of player saftey and sticking to the plan, (pitch count), is unheard of. Couple that with your previous query, "guess he doesnt trust flip?", and they add up to an insinuation that there may be trouble between the HC and the OC. A thought that can only be arrived at if you're twisting the facts in an effort to build a negative where there is none.

It's what you do.

No, and I'm certain you left out a plethora of similar comments/statements.

From my perspective, those positive comments, regardless how unfounded, are short and positive at the least. They come from a mindset which is excited, encouraged and always hopeful for their team which is easier to hear from a fan than the short, negative comments which are just as unfounded yet are seemingly deliberate and obstinate in both their brevity and intent to turn a non-issue into a bad thing.

If I were so inclined to name names, which I'm not, I could spit out at least a half-dozen posters who offer nothing else.

That guy is a certified nut!!. The best is when he flips out at the beeping sound in his car!!!! Loooooooooool

j/c

I read criticism against this offense some of it justified. Did anyone watch the Bengals and Bucs? I know it is preseason. Bengals are totally out of sync. Penalties and mental mistakes everywhere.

One thing I give kudos to Flip. Offense, at the very least, is organized and disciplined. It may fall apart come regular season. If Browns offense looked as disarray as Cincy, I have some serious reservations toward any success.

just a general reply;

Its preseason folks. The ravens and Bengals made our O look like the greatest show on Turf. Steelers Defense isnt scaring anyone. In this 3rd preseason game, you get a better idea of what you have. Should get at least a half of our starters, the coaches do a slim version of a game plan. (still vanilla but its more Buc specific).

I get what you are saying Vers... but by the same token, there are negative posters who post while adding nothing to the conversation... He sucks, we suck, they suck, that sucks, we're going to suck...

And I could come up with a list similar to yours such as..

- Mack's not that good anyway, we should let him walk.

- Haden isn't even in the top half of CBs

- Dansby is a downgrade from DQ

- Manziel is a lost cause who will never learn... (Yea, the jury is still out on this one. )

And some of the things on your list, specifically...


Still have not been proven false...

I think it's time to throw a few sprinkles on top.

No, it's not about fantasy football at all. He made a comment about how offense won't be putting up gaudy numbers. He did this by mentioning fantasy football. Then a few posters saw the word fantasy next to the word football, and went bananas.

I was hoping that once the real football started that this poop would stop. I was too optimistic.

Is everyone in accordance that Farmer could have done more with this offense in the offense?

Off season

Yes, but most other teams could have done more as well. This is not a Farmer issue, this is a "can't do everything in one off-season" issue. If we come out of the off-season, assuming Farmer is still around, with the lack of of playmakers we currently have I will be severely disappointed. There is also the Josh Gordon pipe dream. . .

you mean 2 offseasons right?