I think we might look outside the roster for a few spots. This is what I think we will look like at final cuts
WR
Cooper
DPJ
Bell
Schwartz
Woods
Felton
TE
Njoku
Bryant
Forristal
RB
Chubb
Hunt
Johnson
Ford
QB
Brissett
Dobbs
O line
Wills
Bitonio
Polic
Teller
Conklin
Hubbard
Hudson
Dunn
D line
Garrett
Elliott
Bryan
Clowney
Wright
Thomas
Winfrey
Togiai
LB
JOK
Phillips
Takitaki
Walker
Fields
CB
Ward
Newsome
Williams
Emerson
Green
Safety
Johnson
Delpit
Harrison
Bell
LeCounte
Special Teams
York
Hughlett
Cody B.
Bubble guys
Stanton FB/TE
Winovich DE
Miller CB
Logan DT
I think Rochelle has a chance to make the roster as a DE and Allen at LB
I wonder if we try to upgrade the 3rd QB spot (Streveler from the Jets is intriguing and probably fits what we want to do with Dobbs)
I agree with most of your list. I think Isaac Rochell makes the team. LeCounte could be a goner. Still think either Hunt or Johnson is traded before the start of the season and that would open up a spot for Stefanski to keep a FB (Stanton).
Probably a toss up on who they keep when it comes to Bell, Herb Miller and LeCounte. It's fun to have a guy named Herb on the team.
I would say that Stanton is a near lock and that 8 isn’t enough guys in the offensive line.
Quite frankly the reason I went with eight is I couldn’t figure out who should be number 9. Maybe Hance?
Quite frankly the reason I went with eight is I couldn’t figure out who should be number 9. Maybe Hance?
I would say Hance. He’s played in games for the team and has been taking reps at center.
Agree on Hance. Also, Alex Taylor and Drew Forbes are possibilities to earn a spot.
Looks like a good list to me. Maybe Hance over Fields? Maybe Stanton makes it instead of Forrestal?
I'd personally prefer another corner, but that's just me.
Do we even have 6 WR worthy of keeping??
I had 6 corners (Miller as a bubble player making the team) and 5 safeties making it. I don’t think Logan makes it to the 1st game. Somebody will take his spot. I should have probably put Hance on as well since I only had 8 oline and that is a deep position group. I have Fields because of special teams but Allen might take his spot.
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Do we even have 6 WR worthy of keeping??
Not sure. I put Woods on this list because he was a draft pick that was lightning it up before the hammy.
Fenton didn’t play much in preseason but as of now I believe he is our kick, punt returner. Harley might be a surprise make.
Schwartz is a lock but I don’t think he is very good.
The last three I believe deserve roster spots
I wasn't critiquing your list at all. You did a way better job than I would have. I just like football talk and thought I would throw my less than $0.02 in. I think you did a really good job w/your list.
I know you weren’t. I just have been itching to talk about this team so I responded with some of my beliefs.
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Critiques are welcomed by all. Made this for a discussion.
Do we even have 6 WR worthy of keeping??
I expect it to be (barring a trade):
Cooper
DPJ
Schwartz
Bell
Woods
Felton
Possibly Woods starts the season on PUP and they give another guy a look.
WR group is a glaring weakness.
One of the reasons I think they’re not inclined to trade Hunt is his pass catching.
Do we even have 6 WR worthy of keeping??
I expect it to be (barring a trade):
Cooper
DPJ
Schwartz
Bell
Woods
Felton
Possibly Woods starts the season on PUP and they give another guy a look.
WR group is a glaring weakness.
Woods has practiced with the team , and thus is not eligible for the PUP list. PUP is for guys who report injured, or otherwise unable to practice.
Do we even have 6 WR worthy of keeping??
I expect it to be (barring a trade):
Cooper
DPJ
Schwartz
Bell
Woods
Felton
Possibly Woods starts the season on PUP and they give another guy a look.
WR group is a glaring weakness.
I suspect we'll be seeing a ton of 12 personnel, again.
Do we even have 6 WR worthy of keeping??
I expect it to be (barring a trade):
Cooper
DPJ
Schwartz
Bell
Woods
Felton
Possibly Woods starts the season on PUP and they give another guy a look.
WR group is a glaring weakness.
Woods has practiced with the team , and thus is not eligible for the PUP list. PUP is for guys who report injured, or otherwise unable to practice.
He might have meant putting him on IR after final cuts
Yep. IR designated for return....if it should come to that. He has time to heal up still.
I heard there is an old adage that goes, You are only as good as your 3rd wide receiver.
( I heard that on a Chargers podcast so, it's not just me saying it.)
It's hard to say at receiver...has Woods done anything? I just don't know. I thought Harley has looked good. He seems to be able to catch.
I am not a big fullack guy, but Stanton can fill in as a 3rd TE/H-back player. I'd also say he could be an emergency QB having played the position in college. If we don't carry a 3rd QB, he might be an important player to keep.
I'd also say the bottom of the roster will be very fluid this year. I think we will have a keen eye on wide receivers/returners and interior D line players who are cut loose. I also expect to see us trade one of our running backs before the season starts. Make a choice between Hunt and DJ...extend one for 2-3 years, trade the other.
Or let them make the choice for us. Hand the same offer to both, the first to agree gets the job, the other is traded.
One thing about the "Final 53" is that it isn't final. Each year, teams get down to their final 53 and then claim a guy or three off of waivers and then cut guys to make room for the new guys. I always thought that it would have to be extra painful to think you made the team after the final cuts only to be dumped a day or two later for someone else who was cut by another team.
I heard there is an old adage that goes, You are only as good as your 3rd wide receiver.
( I heard that on a Chargers podcast so, it's not just me saying it.)
I think the first time I heard it was from Cris Collinsworth on a Sunday Night Football broadcast
I think the Covid 2020 year, and last year showed that, the Cutdown to 53 players is something that really lost its luster
because
SO MANY players cut from the 53 still made the teams from the practice s@uad, and
with the rotations of players onto things like the PS and the PUP, teams were really protecting about 58 or 59 players,
and even then
The amount of new signings and releases that happened or happens throughout the calendar
that may not have been as prevalent years ago
has made the Original 53 mean slightly less than it used to. ( I said slightly).
I keep hearing we have a lot of talent here and I agree. However, our WR group right now on paper is average at best. Hopefully some of our young guys will step up or we can trade or pick up a guy or 2. Many are saying what a good D we have. I'm inclined to agree but our interior DL is below average at this juncture. Again, maybe our young guys will step up or we can get another couple of guys after cuts. Not being able to control the line and have teams run on us is bad news. We've seen this before. I'm tempering my enthusiasm right now. I made a prediction of 6-8 wins and last place in the North. DW missing 11 games and the weaknesses I mentioned are the reason why.
That's the list I have too, with Rochell being the 5th DE plus Hance on the OL.
Do we even have 6 WR worthy of keeping??
I’d say NO haha. It’s a really concerning group after Cooper. DPJ has been a good late round pick, but it’s a tall task asking him to be a #2 WR
Do we even have 6 WR worthy of keeping??
I’d say NO haha. It’s a really concerning group after Cooper. DPJ has been a good late round pick, but it’s a tall task asking him to be a #2 WR
This is one of the examples of why we will miss Watson so much while at the same time explains why we went after him despite all the trouble that came w/it. There are only a handful of qbs who can elevate those around them. They don't need superior talent around them. They don't need a great play call. They can make something out of nothing. They perform at a high level in pressure situations. Etc, etc.
Watson is one of those guys. Brissett is not.
Agreed. Elite QBs raise the level of WRs so much
Offense: 25
-->OC), 1
55 C Ethan Pocic LSU
57 C Brock Hoffman Virginia Tech PS?
-->OG), 4
75 G Joel Bitonio Nevada
77 G Wyatt Teller Virginia Tech
62 G Blake Hance Northwestern
68 G Michael Dunn Maryland
79 G Drew Forbes Southeast Missouri State PS?
72 G Hjalte Froholdt Arkansas PS?
60 G David Moore Grambling State PS?
-->OT), 4
78 T Jack Conklin Michigan State
71 T Jedrick Wills Jr. Alabama
74 T Chris Hubbard Alabama-Birmingham
66 T James Hudson III Cincinnati
70 Alex Taylor South Carolina State PS?
67 T Ben Petrula Boston College PS?
-->RB), 4-5*
24 RB Nick Chubb Georgia
27 RB Kareem Hunt Toledo
30 RB D'Ernest Johnson South Florida
34 RB Jerome Ford Cincinnati
25 RB Demetric Felton Jr. UCLA
41 RB John Kelly Jr. Tennessee PS?
FB/TE), 1
40 Johnny Stanton Nevada-Las Vegas PS?
-->TE), 3*-4
88 TE Harrison Bryant Florida Atlantic
85 TE David Njoku Miami (Fla.)
86 TE Miller Forristall Alabama PS?
81 TE Zaire Mitchell-Paden PS?
89 TE Nakia Griffin-Stewart Pittsburgh PS?
-->QB), 2
4 QB Deshaun Watson Clemson
**When available
7 QB Jacoby Brissett N.C. State
15 QB Joshua Dobbs Tennessee
19 Josh Rosen UCLA PS?
-->WR), 5*-6
2 WR Amari Cooper Alabama
18 WR David Bell Purdue
11 WR Donovan Peoples-Jones Michigan
12 WR Michael Woods II Oklahoma
10 WR Anthony Schwartz Auburn
82 WR Mike Harley Jr. Miami PS?
17 WR Daylen Baldwin Michigan PS?
16 WR Javon Wims Georgia PS?
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Defense: 25
-->CB), 5-6*
21 CB Denzel Ward Ohio State
20 CB Greg Newsome II Northwestern
26 CB Greedy Williams LSU
23 CB Martin Emerson Jr. Mississippi State
38 CB A.J. Green Oklahoma State
29 CB Herb Miller Florida Atlantic
49 CB Shaun Jolly Appalachian State PS?
35 CB Levert Hill Michigan PS?
-->DE), 4-5*
90 DE Jadeveon Clowney South Carolina
95 DE Myles Garrett Texas A&M
94 DE Alex Wright UAB
58 DE Isaiah Thomas Oklahoma
98 DE Isaac Rochell Notre Dame
69 DE Chase Winovich Michigan PS?
61 DE Chris Odom Arkansas State PS?
59 DE Curtis Weaver Boise State PS?
-->DT), 4*-5
96 DT Jordan Elliott Missouri
99 DT Taven Bryan Florida
97 DT Perrion Winfrey Oklahoma
93 DT Tommy Togiai Ohio State?
94 DT Roderick Perry II PS?
63 DT Glen Logan LSU PS?
-->LB), *5-6
28 LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Notre Dame
50 LB Jacob Phillips LSU
44 LB Sione Takitaki BYU
5 LB Anthony Walker Jr. Northwestern
42 LB Tony Fields II West Virginia
56 Dakota Allen Texas Tech PS?
54 LB Willie Harvey Jr. Iowa State PS?
51 LB Jordan Kunaszyk California PS?
-->SAF), 4-5*
22 SS Grant Delpit LSU
43 FS John Johnson III Boston
33 SS Ronnie Harrison Jr. Alabama
39 FS Richard LeCounte III Georgia
37 SS D'Anthony Bell West Florida
41 S Jonathan Moffitt Middle Tennessee State PS?
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-->ST), 3
13 P Corey Bojorquez New Mexico
47 LS Charley Hughlett Central Florida
3 K Cade York LSU
I get sick every time I look at our DTs.
I get sick every time I look at our DTs.
That seems to be the consensus to all but the Coaches and the FO.
Reminds me of a couple of seasons ago with our then Safety room ... I hope things turn out more favorable with our DT position then with that group.
Defensive tackle will be interesting to watch how the position is handled.
We have all heard about Elliott being poised to have a good year. Bryan I have not seen.
After that it is looking lean.
I get sick every time I look at our DTs.
Lol honestly same here
I wonder if Thomas pans out the way I think he might, if we would put him on one Edge and either Myles or Clowney on the other and then shift the remaining guy inside on passing downs?
I wonder if Thomas pans out the way I think he might, if we would put him on one Edge and either Myles or Clowney on the other and then shift the remaining guy inside on passing downs?
From what I keep reading, I think they would do that with Thomas and Wright.
I wonder if Thomas pans out the way I think he might, if we would put him on one Edge and either Myles or Clowney on the other and then shift the remaining guy inside on passing downs?
Alex Wrights lone sack this preseason came from DT iirc...
Only spots I really care about is WR.
As bad as Schwartz is, I don't think Berry is gonna give up on him just yet. SMH.
Cooper
DPJ
Bell
Schwartz
Woods
Felton
What I'd really like to see is:
Cooper
DPJ
Bell
Harley
Wims
Felton
Woods starts out on PUP.
We need to seriously consider signing any WR that is cut by PIT and/or CIN to get to their 53...maybe the same can be said for their DTs - add BAL to that list for DTs.
Cooper - Bell - DPJ
The rest could be replaced tonight and we wouldn't miss a beat.
I agree with you in the sense that Wims and Harley looked better than many of the others.
But when was the last time DPJ looked good?
Schwartz and Felton both look bad to me.
I'm not sure what Felton brings to the table other than being able to line up at WR. Hell, I can do that.
I’d cut Felton and Schwartz in lieu of other teams’ cuts … I think we can upgrade the two of them very easily.
Heck, Cole Beasley can be a huge upgrade over Felton right now
I think we could cut Schwartz AND Felton and no one would sign them - and I wouldn't care if they did.
J Kelly is a much better RB than Felton...Wims is a better WR than Felton...Felton does absolutely nothing special. As Rishuz stated ^...so he can line up at WR...so could Winfrey. So he's "versatile"...make him the 17th DB too...why not? He won't be worth a dime there either.
Schwartz needs a lot more time and was a very poor draft pick reach in the 3rd. He'd slide to our PS if we even want to keep him. He got a lot of run and continued to not deliver.
We have an embarrassment of non-riches at WR and DT...again.
Beasley would be a massive upgrade to Felton.
Beasley would be a massive upgrade to every receiver on the Browns except maybe Amari Cooper.
But we're going off of memories of Beasley catching passes from Josh Allen.
Anyone excited to see the upcoming season,
or more excited for it to be over, because it's a sure thing it will be a massive letdown of piling up losses.
Brissett, Mathmatically,
his NFL so far, if you mathematically take his
Starts, Td's, ints. and yards, and win loss ratio is
mathematically due for about
2900 yards on the season
an average game of 0.97- touchdowns, So one touchdown pass per game (excuse me, PER START)
an average game of 0.457? interceptions (my memories from last night) so about I/2 an interception per game, (PER START)
but the big one is
an average of 0.37, 37% chance to get a win in a start. SO, that figures out to 4-7 in the win loss column through II games. Mathmatically
(So Far Brissett has done in his NFL Career) (He's 29 years old)
And he's never played for a team that resides in the AFC North which Rips @uarterbacks a new (you know) on the regular.
So
Who's excited for the upcoming season Woo Hoo \0/
I see 2 likely wins on the Browns schedule. The Falcons, and it's 60-40 vs. the Jets.
There are no other likely wins on the Browns schedule. It's entirely possible they are winless going the entire way.
Browns 53-man roster prediction: Who’s in and who’s out before Tuesday’s final roster cutsPublished: Aug. 28, 2022, 12:30 p.m.
Cleveland Browns training camp day 12, August 14, 2022
Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry have some tough decisions to make between now and Tuesday afternoon.John Kuntz, cleveland.com
By Dan Labbe, cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns have until 4 p.m. on Tuesday to reduce their roster to 53 players. They’re practicing on Tuesday at 3 p.m., so it’s safe to assume they’ll have their roster trimmed well in advance.
After watching practice since the middle of May and sitting through three preseason games, here is a guess as to what the Browns initial 53-man roster will look like:
Quarterback (2): Jacoby Brissett, Joshua Dobbs
Deshaun Watson will move to the suspended list, clearing the way for the Browns to keep Brissett and Dobbs as their two quarterbacks. A third quarterback could land on the practice squad or, if someone becomes available via waivers, boot someone else from another position.
Running back (4): Nick Chubb, Jerome Ford, Kareem Hunt, D’Ernest Johnson
Johnson could be a trade candidate, but there’s no reason to not put him on the 53-man roster if he isn’t traded. You could even make a case for John Kelly Jr. to make it if you wanted. Another name to watch is Johnny Stanton IV, who you won’t see on this 53-man roster, but if they want a fullback, he’s the guy.
Wide receiver (6): David Bell, Amari Cooper, Demetric Felton Jr., Donovan Peoples-Jones, Anthony Schwartz, Michael Woods II
Keeping Schwartz won’t be popular, but Kevin Stefanski said after Saturday’s game Schwartz is not in danger of being cut. The Browns don’t appear ready to give up on their 2021 third-round pick just yet and a thin receiver room overall gives them that ability. There’s no reason they can’t sneak a Mike Harley Jr. or Javon Wims onto the practice squad.
Tight end (3): Harrison Bryant, Miller Forristall, David Njoku
This feels obvious. Njoku and Bryant are in Sharpie and Forristall has consistenly been the No. 3 guy.
Interior offensive line (5): Joel Bitonio, Michael Dunn, Hjalte Froholdt, Ethan Pocic, Wyatt Teller
It’s Pocic, Bitonio and Teller starting inside with Dunn doing most of the work as the backup center. Froholdt can play center or guard.
Offenive tackle (5): Jack Conklin, Chris Hubbard, James Hudson III, Alex Taylor, Jedrick Wills Jr.
The bottom of this group is where I feel the least confident. Hubbard was my last player on the offensive side of the ball and it’s notable Taylor played tackle early on Saturday night while Hubbard deals with an injury. There wasn’t a skill guy I was willing to pound the table for in place of keeping 10 linemen.
Edge rusher (6): Jadeveon Clowney, Myles Garrett, Isaac Rochell, Isaiah Thomas, Chase Winovich, Alex Wright
Winovich, who has been out with an injury, was my last man to make it defensively as a sixth edge rusher. The two rookies, Thomas and Wright, were gimmes. Rochell has been working first team alongside Wright when Garrett and Clowney have been out.
Defensive tackle (4): Taven Bryan, Jordan Elliott, Tommy Togiai, Perrion Winfrey
This group is razor thin, but Elliott has been earning rave reviews this summer. Winfrey hasn’t looked like someone ready to contribute right away, but he’s not going anywhere. It helps to have edge rushers who can slide inside on passing downs, but if one of the top two guys gets hurt, this group is in trouble.
Linebacker (5): Tony Fields II, Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, Jacob Phillips, Sione Takitaki, Anthony Walker Jr.
I found a way to keep Fields for his special teams work and the remaining group of linebackers behind him didn’t excite me. He won’t get much work on defense, however, if the top four ahead of him stay healthy. This group has a chance to be fun.
Cornerback (6): Martin Emerson Jr., A.J. Green, Herb Miller, Greg Newsome II, Denzel Ward, Greedy Williams
The bottom of this group is tough. Miller made it here for his special teams work. Green has been working in the slot and it’s hard to see him getting waived if he’s healthy.
Safety (4): D’Anthony Bell, Grant Delpit, Ronnie Harrison Jr., John Johnson III
With Harrison out due to injury on Saturday night, Bell was the third safety and the player who replaced Delpit when he left with a hip injury. It tells me Bell has passed Richard LeCounte III and makes me feel comfortable putting him on this roster.
Specialists (3): Corey Bojorquez (P), Charley Hughlett (LS), Cade York (K)
The only intrigue here went away after the second preseason game when the Browns sent punter Joseph Charlton packing. I know the Muni Lot is fun, but getting to the stadium early to watch York warm up is worth missing out on one last brat and beer.
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...t-before-tuesdays-final-roster-cuts.html
Whoa. That is a CRAZY signature, picture,
Picture of all eleven Browns head coaches since I999 and Stefanski in the middle as the I2th man.
It is Erie
They'd never let someone fly that as a banner/sign in the stadium. But Could you imagine.
Really, What hope does Stefanski have if some (??whomever) is forcing things like Starting Schwartz onto him. None that's what.
Denzel Mims had a good day today with the Jets and he’s almost certainly going to be traded/released.
I’d feel much better about our WR corps if we were Cooper, DPJ, Mims, Beasley, and then went after 1 more guy from FA
When i saw his name I actually forgot he was still with us
Denzel Mims had a good day today with the Jets and he’s almost certainly going to be traded/released.
I’d feel much better about our WR corps if we were Cooper, DPJ, Mims, Beasley, and then went after 1 more guy from FA
And Bell I presume?
Pre-emptive strike to make sure we get him on
our PS?
Thanks for the memories, Ben!
I thought Wims looked decent.
I had hoped Wims would make it.
I did espouse the idea of putting Schwartz on a bus to Chicago so they could make him walk home.
I thought Wims looked decent.
Same here. He made a few difficult plays. I can’t imagine we’re going to roll with what we have
I thought Wims looked decent.
Same here. He made a few difficult plays. I can’t imagine we’re going to roll with what we have
Be is specifically for a WR or not, I can see us "trading" one or two of our bottom of the roster players for a few players who get cut from other teams.
I am also banking on a trade of DJ. Maybe soon...like today or tomorrow. If it is before the final cuts it will probably be for a player. If after the cuts it will be for a pick.
I kept him in one of my money leagues. From a fantasy standpoint it makes no sense to keep DJ if he is a member of the Browns. If he or Hunt get traded, it does.
Even from the Browns standpoint it makes no sense to keep a stacked RB room. We could easily trade one of our backs, who isn't going to play and get a player at a position where they could help us win games. We won't miss a beat by making a trade. I'll go so far as to say it is stupid to keep that many backs and will make me question if Berry is all that interested in improving the roster.
If these guys think Schwartz is all that good, maybe we need to reassess who needs to be cut?
I think we’ll trade a RB as well. I also understand why they are so steadfast on keeping Schwartz (even though I disagree with it), but at some point that decision will have to be made and I’d rather have us upgrade over him before the season begins
I think we’ll trade a RB as well. I also understand why they are so steadfast on keeping Schwartz (even though I disagree with it), but at some point that decision will have to be made and I’d rather have us upgrade over him before the season begins
Put yourself in Berry's shoes. You drafted Schwartz for a reason. You actually spent a high pick on him. He's only going into his second season. You err on the side of he'll get it figured out. That's why you drafted him. Because you have high hopes for the kid. I don't think one mediocre season and one bad off season should necessarily change the long term outlook. Draff picks are made with multiple years in mind.
I'm not saying I 100% agree with it. But I can see the logic behind that, especially if the kid has a good attitude and works hard to get better.
I will say this, though. Drafting wide receivers does not appear to be a strength of Berry and his staff.
Not arguing here. Few people complain about having just too much speed on the roster. But we haven't sorted much out at this point that I have seen. Did Berry draft that high to have a three-year project. How about that "body of work" we read about? One bad off-season, one mediocre season, and now a pre-season with little progress and even less flash. Did Berry draft a swell individual to be the designated pass dropper? Why has he been targeted so often? I just think this roster spot is an error, especially without a doubt status. Has he earned starter status? I can hope he changes my mind. But our WR room is maybe our worst at this point in time.
Yeah WR drafting has been poor here in Cleveland for a pretty long time. Who’s the last good WR we’ve drafted?
Compare it to Pittsburgh where they basically churn them out
Yeah WR drafting has been poor here in Cleveland for a pretty long time. Who’s the last good WR we’ve drafted?
Compare it to Pittsburgh where they basically churn them out
We should take a good look at whomever the Steelers or Bengals cut at WR. Just like OL-needy teams will be vulcher-ing over whomever we cut at OL...and maybe even DB
I think we’ll trade a RB as well. I also understand why they are so steadfast on keeping Schwartz (even though I disagree with it), but at some point that decision will have to be made and I’d rather have us upgrade over him before the season begins
Put yourself in Berry's shoes. You drafted Schwartz for a reason. You actually spent a high pick on him. He's only going into his second season. You err on the side of he'll get it figured out. That's why you drafted him. Because you have high hopes for the kid. I don't think one mediocre season and one bad off season should necessarily change the long term outlook. Draff picks are made with multiple years in mind.
I'm not saying I 100% agree with it. But I can see the logic behind that, especially if the kid has a good attitude and works hard to get better.
I will say this, though. Drafting wide receivers does not appear to be a strength of Berry and his staff.
I believe Berry is yet to cut one of his draft picks...while being anxious to sign FAs form other teams who didn't live up to their high-pick expectations.
To your point, I understand why GM-types are reluctant to cut "their" guys. I think most GMs have that bias. It's not nefarious as they believe (hopefully) in their scouts and evaluations and likely TRULY believe their guy(s) will figure it out. However, I doubt any team would covet Schwartz - let alone sign the guy to their 53. IMO he would be there to sign to our PS.
Conversely, we have some bubble guys that IMO other teams might snatch up for their 53. Brock Hoffman, Alex Taylor, Shaun Jolly and maybe even D Bell (S) to name a few. I'd hate to lose a guy like Hoffman during roster-gymnastics while protecting a still-developmental guy like Schwartz.
Yeah WR drafting has been poor here in Cleveland for a pretty long time. Who’s the last good WR we’ve drafted?
Compare it to Pittsburgh where they basically churn them out
We should take a good look at whomever the Steelers or Bengals cut at WR. Just like OL-needy teams will be vulcher-ing over whomever we cut at OL...and maybe even DB
I think the Bucs also have a deep WR room
I was looking at the Steelers WRs.
Stephen Sims had 2 TDs and a nice jet sweep for 37 yds.
He is looking up at Johnson , Claypool, Pickens, and Olzecksi
He might be cut
Then the Bengals have 2 young WRs that outplayed Schwartz
This preseason...
Kendric Pryor and Kwame Lassiter...both went over 100 yds
Receiving this preseason. I think Pryor went 13 for 171.
If Berry can't cut Schwartz then his ego is superceding the will
To win. Instead of him saying " I was wrong about Schwartz"
And trying to add a upgrade , he rather look like the smartest
Guy in the room.
I was looking at the Steelers WRs.
Stephen Sims had 2 TDs and a nice jet sweep for 37 yds.
He is looking up at Johnson , Claypool, Pickens, and Olzecksi
He might be cut
Then the Bengals have 2 young WRs that outplayed Schwartz
This preseason...
Kendric Pryor and Kwame Lassiter...both went over 100 yds
Receiving this preseason. I think Pryor went 13 for 171.
If Berry can't cut Schwartz then his ego is superceding the will
To win. Instead of him saying " I was wrong about Schwartz"
And trying to add a upgrade , he rather look like the smartest
Guy in the room.
I'm beginning to be concerned about your point in that last paragraph.
At WR I'd keep Cooper, DPJ, Bell & Woods. There will be another teams' castoff(s) (two hopefully) that are as good as anyone we cut....which is scary given that the NFL is a passing league...and I don't see any of the guys we cut being coveted. I expect Woods to go straight to short-term IR.
At TE I'd keep Njoku & Harrison. See the above explanation and finding another guy after cuts.
At RB I'd keep Chubb, Hunt, Ford & DEJ. If we trade one of those (4) I'm keeping Kelly. If we cut Felton, no one is signing him and I don't care if they do.
At OL I'd keep Wills, Bitonio, Pocic, Teller, Conklin, Hubbard, Hudson, Taylor (yes, Taylor), Dunn, Hoffman & Forbes/Hjolte. I know that's (11), but I expect Conklin to go straight to short-term IR. I hope we trade one our OL riches and I expect some roster shenanigans - like cutting Hubbard and immediately resigning him.
QB - JB...maybe even cut Dobbs and turn right around and resign him = more roster shenanigans.
I've not yet really thought through the defense just yet. But I don't think we have a lot of guys we could cut and expect to be there after the initial cut-down - like we do at WR & TE - other than DT. (Day is still a FA.)
release the ones that produce, keep the ones that don't. Because... potential.
He would not have been the guy I’d cut from the WR group
I thought he would be the first guy released. His route running was horrible.
I am assuming since Moffatt is gone that Bell is in
I think we’ll trade a RB as well. I also understand why they are so steadfast on keeping Schwartz (even though I disagree with it), but at some point that decision will have to be made and I’d rather have us upgrade over him before the season begins
Put yourself in Berry's shoes. You drafted Schwartz for a reason. You actually spent a high pick on him. He's only going into his second season. You err on the side of he'll get it figured out. That's why you drafted him. Because you have high hopes for the kid. I don't think one mediocre season and one bad off season should necessarily change the long term outlook. Draff picks are made with multiple years in mind.
I'm not saying I 100% agree with it. But I can see the logic behind that, especially if the kid has a good attitude and works hard to get better.
I will say this, though. Drafting wide receivers does not appear to be a strength of Berry and his staff.
I understand all that as well. I also understand you can't build "team" when the players on the team know you cut players who should be there in favor of those who don't.
Some things you can teach and develop. Teaching a guy to catch at this point isn't one of them. I am not sure how long this guy has played football, but i am sure he has had a few coaches who tried to teach him that. Catching a friggen ball isn't some super secret that only a select few know how to do or teach. If you can't do it by the time you are the age of Schwartz, forget it, he can't do it.
Refining a player's skills is one thing. Trying to get him to accomplish the most basic of skills for his position is a waste of time and a roster spot. A NHL coach isn't out there trying to teach one of his players how to ice skate.
I think the biggest question at this point in time is who is it that's demanding he stay on the roster? Is it Berry? Is it Stefanski? Is it both? Sometimes the GM can make roster calls that put a HC in a terrible position. Not saying for sure that's the case here. But it seems this team focuses a lot on analytics. That's not Stenfanski's specialty in terms of designated responsibilities.
No, it's not his "specialty", but he's fully on-board with it. They're all on record as saying that while Berry, of course, has final say in this stuff, it is a collaborative effort.
If Stefanski made a logical argument why one player should go and another should have his place, it would be heard and factored into the decisions. I highly doubt that Berry would outright make borderline calls without a heavy dose of input from his Head Coach, he just isn't that kinda guy.
I would guess that it’s a joint decision to keep Schwartz, probably motivated by the analytical numbers that show how impactful his skill set can be to an offensive team
I think the biggest question at this point in time is who is it that's demanding he stay on the roster? Is it Berry? Is it Stefanski? Is it both? Sometimes the GM can make roster calls that put a HC in a terrible position. Not saying for sure that's the case here. But it seems this team focuses a lot on analytics. That's not Stenfanski's specialty in terms of designated responsibilities.
Don't look for Cleveland to get rid of Schwartz unless they can get another WR who can take the top off a defense. Without a WR who can burn a defense deep they will just crowd the line, load up the box and shut down our running game. We have to have one or two WR's who the defense has to respect to keep them honest. Unfortunately since Schwartz can't catch he is not scaring anybody
So then it's Stefanski? See, by contrast I don't see Stefanski having a dog in the fight here. It wasn't he who made the decision to draft him and sign him. Barry was the man who made that commitment and bears responsibility for him being here. I just can't imagine a HC wanting to keep a WR on the roster who can't catch the ball. I'm not saying your wrong, I just can't make any sense out of it. To me it boils down to who actually has a vested interest in keeping a WR on the roster who can't catch the ball.
While Schwartz had a 4.27 40 time in shorts it certainly hasn't translated to "taking the top off of a defense" in the NFL. I know that was the goal in drafting him but it hasn't been shown to happen.
Of course it is. But not everyone sitting at the table is going to agree even when input from everyone is considered. Somebody has to make the call when that occurs. That is the boss. I've worked at places where everyone has input in the process. It's certainly a better environment than never having input. But to claim or believe everyone is on the same page in some of those meetings is not reality. And in the end when things like that occur, the highest ranking person in charge has the final say.
Are you suggesting that when people sit in on a meeting collaborating that they all agree on a certain outcome before the decision is made? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your intent here.
release the ones that produce, keep the ones that don't. Because... potential.
As Metallica sang, "Sad but true."
I think you have to give him two years.
When picked he was a developmental player.
I know it has not looked good. But you have to be patient and give him some more time.
I think you have to give him two years.
When picked he was a developmental player.
I know it has not looked good. But you have to be patient and give him some more time.
Or you cut him because he’s a sunk cost.
While Schwartz had a 4.27 40 time in shorts it certainly hasn't translated to "taking the top off of a defense" in the NFL. I know that was the goal in drafting him but it hasn't been shown to happen.
It's hard to take the top off when your QB has a bum shoulder.
A lot of the preseason is putting players in uncomfortable situations and seeing how they respond. In the regular season, it's about doing what your players do well. Let's see how he does in real games.
Deep shots and gadget plays are Schwartz comfort zone. Working the sideline on out routes isn't it, yet.
I just watched the Bears game, was surprised Wims was cut, he made some catches. Harley looked good, I was not aware of his production in college.
While Schwartz had a 4.27 40 time in shorts it certainly hasn't translated to "taking the top off of a defense" in the NFL. I know that was the goal in drafting him but it hasn't been shown to happen.
Because he has had hands like
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I was thinking Quincy "no thumbs" Morgan.
"Stone Hands" ....I think that was his nickname at the time on this board or whatever the equivalent board was at the time.
This is an interesting one.
This is an interesting one.
Surprising.
I'm surprised about Hance...but...he's a G who "can" play OT. I wonder if this means Alex Taylor sticks to the 53?
Browns were/are deep at the guard position. Drew Forbes was first off the bench, I’d assume he leapfrogged Hance.
Stainbrook is killing it with all the roster moves information.
Especially for a guy still in college!
I liked what I saw from Jolly. Hope we can put him on the PS.
j/c:
I think we should bring Josh Gordon back. He's now available.
As soon as we sign him Goodell will suspend him.
I disagree. Wims was never going to make the team and Harley was a long shot at best.
WR room:
Cooper
DPJ
Bell
Schwartz
Woods
Felton
Looks like they are keeping all four RBs with this news, unless Hunt or Johnson are traded before the deadline.
Bringing someone in from the outside seems to be more realistic as the day goes on?
Myles Garrett and Wyatt Teller lose their Dungeons and Dragons playing partner.
Rosen and Kelly are the two new names from I've seen.
Hmmmmm, that surprised me a bit.
I think we are releasing offensive linemen that would have been locks to make the team in year's past.
anyone know how many more we have to cut?
Per PFF:
WR Javon Wims
G Blake Hance
FB Johnny Stanton
CB Herb Miller III
DT Glen Logan
EDGE Curtis Weaver
OT Ben Petrula
P Joseph Charlton
S Luther Kirk IV
T Wyatt Miller
CB Parnell Motley
TE Marcus Santos-Silva
WR Ja’Marcus Bradley
S Jovante Moffatt
WR Mike Harley
TE Nakia Griffin-Stewart
TE Miller Forristall
CB Shaun Jolly
WR Easop Winston Jr.
WR Daylen Baldwin
DT Roderick Perry II
QB Josh Rosen
RB John Kelly
TE Zaire Mitchell-Paden
C Brock Hoffman
so... we have 2 more to cut
Not sure. A bit surprised by Blake Hance.
I think we will make a move or two by days end.
I do think we will add a receiver and maybe a DT.
We may trade D'ernest.
Hance is kinda surprising until you remember that Forbes was actually penciled in as the starter at OG until he sat out the 2020 Covid season and Teller became a miracle All-Pro. Then, Forbes went right to IR after the last preseason game last year. That guy named Blake was brought in as some serious depth that we ended up dipping into due to Covid and he got to stick around because Forbes was out again last year.
I'm still bummed, though. "A guy named Blake" was a good story.
Am I counting correctly....we only have 2 TE's now???
Am I counting correctly....we only have 2 TE's now???
but 19 DBs, lol
Am I counting correctly....we only have 2 TE's now???
but 19 DBs, lol
Berry has PTSD from 2-3 years ago lol
A lot of moves to be made in the next 2-3 days. I wasn't impressed by any of the TEs we cut.
Still plenty of moves left. I think we’ll be targeting offensive pass catchers and (hopefully) DL
j/c:
This is interesting because other than RB, these are our two strongest units.
j/c...
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#Browns D’Anthony Bell was informed he made the original 53 man roster, per source.
https://twitter.com/StainbrookNFL/status/1564655421067067400
From what I can tell we still have 11 olinemen on the roster. We could be looking to trade one. We have 6 CBs on the roster but one is injured (Lavert Hill) and might get cut with an injury settlement.
Hill can’t possibly make the roster IMO. He was not good IIRC
Hance played in all 17 games last year and started 8...someone will likely snatch him up. Wish him well.
Hance played in all 17 games last year and started 8...someone will likely snatch him up. Wish him well.
The bottom of our offensive line group are starters on some teams. Crazy depth.
Not feeling the OJ Howard deal. He's been extremely disappointing and he isn't healthy.
I would love the Slayton move, though.
Devin Asiasi, TE and McTelvin Agim, DT are cuts I'd consider picking up.
McTelvin Agim Was a 3rd round pick (95) in 2020. Why do you think he didn’t work out in Denver? Bad fit for scheme?
While Schwartz had a 4.27 40 time in shorts it certainly hasn't translated to "taking the top off of a defense" in the NFL. I know that was the goal in drafting him but it hasn't been shown to happen.
It's hard to take the top off when your QB has a bum shoulder.
I certainly agree with that part. But as a WR you still have to be able to catch the football on at least a somewhat consistent basis. I don't think a WR is suddenly going to be able to do that as a second year pro when he's been playing WR for several years. By that time you can either catch the ball or you can't.
McTelvin Agim Was a 3rd round pick (95) in 2020. Why do you think he didn’t work out in Denver? Bad fit for scheme?
And yet they keep Levert Hill who is garbage, but hey he is DPJs' best bro.
Our initial 53-man roster is set.
Glad to see that the Big Dane made it...he makes the Browns OLine much stronger..!
And yet they keep Levert Hill who is garbage, but hey he is DPJs' best bro.
Hill was cut
McTelvin Agim Was a 3rd round pick (95) in 2020. Why do you think he didn’t work out in Denver? Bad fit for scheme?
That Denver D is stacked. JMO
Hance played in all 17 games last year and started 8...someone will likely snatch him up. Wish him well.
And was our highest graded iOL this preseson according to PFF.
Think he got caught up in the numbers game and a new regime giving their picks the edge.
Any DL (especially interior) are worth a look
I know some posters had their eyes on him.
I was thinking Quincy "no thumbs" Morgan.
HEY now leave Quincy alone. He caught me when I drunkenly fell over the railing at Practice. I looked at him and said damn you finally caught something. I'm still shocked that he laughed instead of dropping me on my ass.
Yes, but in fairness you're much larger than a football.
Yes, but in fairness you're much larger than a football.
Hey I didn't mention my ass or belly. LOL
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While Schwartz had a 4.27 40 time in shorts it certainly hasn't translated to "taking the top off of a defense" in the NFL. I know that was the goal in drafting him but it hasn't been shown to happen.
It's hard to take the top off when your QB has a bum shoulder.
A lot of the preseason is putting players in uncomfortable situations and seeing how they respond. In the regular season, it's about doing what your players do well. Let's see how he does in real games.
Deep shots and gadget plays are Schwartz comfort zone. Working the sideline on out routes isn't it, yet.
If you are drafting a WR In the 3rd RD or higher, he better know
The whole route tree and then some.
Andrew Berry apparently didn't watch film on Schwartz at Auburn.
Cause if he did , he would have waited till RD 7 to draft him
Anthony Schwartz simply Is not built to play in the NFL
He knows one route which is the most basic and easiest
To defend in football. The go or smoke route.
Schwartz has no idea how to set up DBs in order to
Execute the go route properly.
WR vs CB is a chess game. And Schwartz is playing checkers.
If gadget plays and the occasional deep ball play is all that
Schwart can execute , cut him today
Heck he can't run a simple quick jet sweep. He can't read
Blocks.
I said Schwartz was a draft bust last year.
To top it all,off he wets his pants. Ask him to go over the middle
He chokes.
Preparation, hard work, and determination always pays off. Too many seem to only want the pay off and don't pay attention to the first two..
Preparation, hard work, and determination always pays off.
Always?
Preparation, hard work, and determination always pays off.
Always?
I think so.
Preparation, hard work, and determination always pays off.
Always?
I think so.
🤣
j/c:
This is pretty cool. Congrats to the kid.
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Any guesses on who we will target and who they will replace?
I think it’s pretty clear we will go after a wide receiver and a tight end.
Preparation, hard work, and determination always pays off.
No it doesn't.
Some may want to believe that to excuse or ignore keeping multitudes down and the reasons for it such as
connections, popularity, politics, looking the other way, and, unmet needs =ing no way out. Not to mention abuse, poverty, toxic relationships in their life, ( oh sure they'll parrot many versions of the story, you know, the story, the story of the person who made something out of nothing from a bad start, or something like the Ravens' OT who became a focus of a Hollywood movie with Sandra Bullock, they always want to focus on the one person out of 4000 that got ahead. (but it's selective, it's a one here, one there kind of thing)
They don't want to advertise the others, millions probably, probably hundreds of millions, who have Hard work, Determinaton, Preparation and see it ripped out from under them time after time, after time after time, only until they see.
It's for popular people, and then things like, songs get made like
ten cents a dance, (humpf that was sang probably before even anyone on this board was born, so they were doing the same thing that many years aog.
and then, "Don't you want somebody to love" or "It ain't me" and those songs were around the Vietnam war time so that was again a different time period altogether.
and then songs like, "what it's like" by everlast.
One in 400 people is a slave in 2022, per the internet. (Think some hard work, determination, and preparation would pay off for them?)
and...
( Oh, it wasn't meant to be like that, ) Yeah, You have a point.
Hard work, preparation, determination. something LIke
Abraham Lincoln said, (may have been said to have said)
" If I have Ten hours to chop down a tree, I'm going to spend 9 hours sharpening the Axe")
...
The Browns' analytics would get I3 axes, and 5 different handles before they start chopping, and then would chop with a saw, and saw with an axe. Oy Vey.
I think it’s pretty clear we will go after a wide receiver and a tight end.
I’m not so sure we go after a wide receiver. Berry seems to like his draft picks and that is all we have in the room outside of Cooper.
I do think we target a TE. Two are not enough.
OJ Howard and the Bucs WR Johnson would be good starting points
J/C .... we show 5 RB, but Felton will actually be a slot WR as the season goes on. That gives us 6. Who knows if we add another or not. We'll see.
We definitely have someone in mind as 3rd TE. Not sure who .... but I see no way we don't grab a 3rd TE.
I don't get the love for Felton. He's average IMO. I wish we could find a pure RB in the form of Chubb, and let Chubb bring him along and make him better. And I think it's just nuts to consider letting Hunt leave. Chubb wants him here, he took a team-friendly contact the first time, and HE WANTS TO BE HERE. Why don't we keep our best talent?
Vikings waived DT Armon Watts.
Watts appeared in all 17 games last season, making nine starts and playing 56% of the defensive snaps. But with the new regime in town, the Vikings are cleaning house of all the misfits for the new schemes. Watts should definitely land on his feet elsewhere.
49ers released EDGE Kemoko Turay.
Turay had a career-high 5.5 sacks with the Colts last year, but the 49ers defensive line room is deep and didn't have much in the way of injuries to open up a spot. Turay should get some looks around the NFL on Wednesday. Only 27, he could still be a rotational defensive lineman somewhere.
Raiders released WR Keelan Cole.
Cole appeared to be battling for the No. 3 receiver job, so it is a bit of a surprise to see him on the cut list. Las Vegas kept Mack Hollins, Tyron Johnson, and DJ Turner behind Davante Adams and Hunter Renfrow. Hollins looks like the favorite for the No. 3 job.
Those are a couple players cut that caught my eye.
Here is the link for the 3 posts above:
https://www.nbcsportsedge.com
https://heavy.com/sports/cleveland-browns/david-njoku-recruiting-odell-beckham/Browns TE David Njoku Urging Veteran WR to Re-Join Team
avid Njoku is putting on the full-court press to try to get Odell Beckham Jr. back in a Cleveland Browns jersey.
Njoku has documented his recruiting efforts through social media, showing the conversation he’s been having with Beckham, who remains a free agent after winning a Super Bowl with the Rams. Njoku challenged Beckham to a game of online pool, with the stakes being he would “consider” coming back to Cleveland if Njoku won.
J/C .... we show 5 RB, but Felton will actually be a slot WR as the season goes on. That gives us 6. Who knows if we add another or not. We'll see.
We definitely have someone in mind as 3rd TE. Not sure who .... but I see no way we don't grab a 3rd TE.
I could see interest in Jacob Harris from the Rams. He's a TE/Big WR (6'5" 211lb) who plays special teams. Crazy speed (4.4) for his size, decent blocker, but iffy hands at times.
Unrelated, but I saw that KC got rid of a whole slew of ex Browns
Kansas City Chiefs: Cut five players on Saturday: tackle Roderick Johnson, quarterback Dustin Crum, running back Tayon Fleet-Davis, wide receiver Aaron Parker and linebacker Mike Rose. Cut wide receiver Josh Gordon on August 30. Released defensive tackle Danny Shelton, wide receiver Corey Coleman , wide receiver Daurice Fountain, linebacker Jermaine Carter, linebacker Elijah Lee, center Austin Reiter , and defensive tackle Taylor Stallworth. Waived wide receiver Cornell Powell, safety Zayne Anderson, cornerback Dicaprio Bootle, tight end Mike Bushman, guard Mike Caliendo, linebacker Jack Cochrane, defensive tackle Matt Dickerson, running back Jerrion Ealy, tight end Jordan Franks, tackle Vitaliy Gurman, safety Nazeeh Johnson, defensive end Azur Kamara, safety Devon Key, and defensive end Kehinde Oginni.
I think it’s pretty clear we will go after a wide receiver and a tight end.
I’m not so sure we go after a wide receiver. Berry seems to like his draft picks and that is all we have in the room outside of Cooper.
I do think we target a TE. Two are not enough.
Agreed. With Brissett running the offense for ~65% of the season, I expect the Browns to sign another TE and run a lot of 12 personnel. Do not see Berry giving up assets for a WR that will never see the field barring injury.
IIRC your first player on that list OT Roderick Johnson was also a former Brown at least in the offseason so could have been in bold.
We need two more TEs, that’s a given.
I don't get the love for Felton. He's average IMO. I wish we could find a pure RB in the form of Chubb, and let Chubb bring him along and make him better. And I think it's just nuts to consider letting Hunt leave. Chubb wants him here, he took a team-friendly contact the first time, and HE WANTS TO BE HERE. Why don't we keep our best talent?
I agree on Felton.
As for Hunt, I think we will extend him if we trade DJ. If we trade Hunt, we will extend DJ. We will keep one of them depending on which one draws a trade interest.
It makes no sense to keep as many good backs as we have. It would be far wiser to flip one for a WR or DT who has more of a chance to impact our ability to win games.
https://heavy.com/sports/cleveland-browns/david-njoku-recruiting-odell-beckham/Browns TE David Njoku Urging Veteran WR to Re-Join Team
avid Njoku is putting on the full-court press to try to get Odell Beckham Jr. back in a Cleveland Browns jersey.
Njoku has documented his recruiting efforts through social media, showing the conversation he’s been having with Beckham, who remains a free agent after winning a Super Bowl with the Rams. Njoku challenged Beckham to a game of online pool, with the stakes being he would “consider” coming back to Cleveland if Njoku won.
I am holding out hope that we get OBJ back. He should be available to play about the same time Watson is allowed to play again. Watson w/Cooper, OBJ, and Njoku w/our running game and OL would be freaking unstoppable.
Say no to OJ Howard. Slow and ineffective.
MyCole Pruitt , a TE, is a name to watch. Atlanta cut him. He was decent in Tennessee. His PFF numbers last year were 74.3 receiving and 71.5 overall. Those are pretty good grades. They also cut Anthony Firkser who is a good receiving TE, but I think he got hurt in that last preseason game.
https://heavy.com/sports/cleveland-browns/david-njoku-recruiting-odell-beckham/Browns TE David Njoku Urging Veteran WR to Re-Join Team
avid Njoku is putting on the full-court press to try to get Odell Beckham Jr. back in a Cleveland Browns jersey.
Njoku has documented his recruiting efforts through social media, showing the conversation he’s been having with Beckham, who remains a free agent after winning a Super Bowl with the Rams. Njoku challenged Beckham to a game of online pool, with the stakes being he would “consider” coming back to Cleveland if Njoku won.
I am holding out hope that we get OBJ back. He should be available to play about the same time Watson is allowed to play again. Watson w/Cooper, OBJ, and Njoku w/our running game and OL would be freaking unstoppable.
But he doesn't know which routes to run apparently.
Never went to a practice.
Didn't pay a whole of attention to the pre-season games.
Read what there was to read by those who cover the team. With that stated the reports are the rookies that were drafted this year played well.
Martin Emerson. I liked what I saw in the pre-season games. Aggressive player who likes competition. Good use of hands. Tackles well. Seems like the staff likes what he showed.
Alex Wright. Shows promise as a developing DE. Good size. He did not get beat down. He competed well. I did not see him get destroyed by anyone.
David Bell. Very impressive player so far. Gets open. Catches the ball. That is what a receiver should do.
Jerome Ford. He has made the most of his oportunities. Runs hard. Has vision. Shows burst. Looks like a solid back.
Mike Woods. Missed some time with injury. But according to what I read. He played well.
Isaiah Thomas. I really don't know much about him.
Dawson Deaton. Got hurt.
Cade York. So far so good. Big leg. He has made it look easy. Hope he can do it under the lights when it counts.
Perrion Winfrey. So far IMO from what I have seen. He is a project. He plays high. Slow get off. Lacks technique. Gets pushed around. He has skill but he is raw. The coaches have to work this guy. He needs to get stronger and learn how to anchor his body. He will have a good play. Then he will get manhandled.
Overall I think it was a good draft. Emerson, Bell, Ford, and York have stood out. Wright looks promising.
I am holding out hope that we get OBJ back.
Didn't he take a big enough crap on us last time? Or drop enough passes? I can't imagine why anyone would invite that cancer BACK into their locker room.
I am a little confused. Does this mean that the names of those claimed off of waivers won't be announced until after 12 PM?
Cole from the Raiders has had some success in the NFL … wonder if his being cut is attributed to lack of ST play there
Neither Johnson nor Hunt will be on the team next year.
Neither Johnson nor Hunt will be on the team next year.
Agreed. And Chubb might not be here after the 2023 season unless they agree on a restructured deal.
What's Johnson's contract like? When does it expire? Do you think he will be in line for a huge payday? Do you think Ford will move up and be the guy?
What's Johnson's contract like? When does it expire? Do you think he will be in line for a huge payday? Do you think Ford will move up and be the guy?
Ford will make D'Ernest expendable (imo).
Neither Johnson nor Hunt will be on the team next year.
That is what I am afraid of. We will dork around and lose both. That is why I would like to see us extend one now.
I am not sure if we could get comp picks for them? Maybe that is the plan if we can....at least that makes a little sense.
I’m curious to see Ford with our first string line. He really looked good to me
j/c...
Meant to post this here. I don't get this move by the Browns.
Maybe they are hoping to sneak him on to the practice squad later in the season. My guess is that Winovich goes to the IR.
J/c
Shouldn’t Mond have a little bit of knowledge about our offense already? Still some ties last year between Stefanski and that Vikings’ system I’d assume.
We certainly have a type that we’re looking for with skill set and the ability to move more than Baker offered us.
With the Bengals claim for Asiasi going through, I wonder if that makes OJ Howard still available. I wouldn't want him starting, but, as a 3rd TE that blocks with a bit of pass catching upside, he could be a good fit. Especially if he can get and stay healthy.
As far as Asiasi, it's always annoying when players I've eyeballed go to division rivals.
I think OJ Howard is not healthy. I heard he had a hard time running during camp.
I agree on Winovich heading to the IR to make room for Mond on the 53 man roster.
I agree on Winovich heading to the IR to make room for Mond on the 53 man roster.
???
Too bad for Rochelle. I know he was a big hit on Tik Tok (he and his wife). best of luck
Rochell released to make room for Mond. Barf.
Can't say I am feeling all warm and fuzzy right now.
I am a little confused. Does this mean that the names of those claimed off of waivers won't be announced until after 12 PM?
I believd that it means that waiver claims end at that time, and then the unclaimed players become free agents.
Rochell released to make room for Mond. Barf.
Our FO has focused on a 4th QB when we need serious help at WR...and TE...and DT.
Our FO has focused on a 4th QB when we need serious help at WR...and TE...and DT.
Pretty sure AB can do more than one thing at a time.
Our FO has focused on a 4th QB when we need serious help at WR...and TE...and DT.
Pretty sure AB can do more than one thing at a time.
We've been light at WR...TE...and DT since February.
j/c:
Almost every year, there is one guy that excels in preseason, gets released, fans are confused/upset, and in the end, might never hear his name again. We'll see if it ends up being Rochell.
Like I said before, our WR room is Cooper and AB draft picks. I doubt we do anything there until we see how Bell and Woods work out. We are light at DT but we have multiple DEs who can and have moved inside. We might all want some huge run stopper but AB and Woods don’t seem to want that.
j/c:
Almost every year, there is one guy that excels in preseason, gets released, fans are confused/upset, and in the end, might never hear his name again. We'll see if it ends up being Rochell.
Just when I was finally at peace with KhaDarel Hodge being cut you say this!
I think with Rochell, it's not necessarily about releasing him, it's more about releasing him to make room for Mond. Rochell would likely be a serviceable player. If the Browns were looking for a bad QB, they could have signed a number of the bums out there to the PS rather than one to the active roster.
In the grand scheme though, neither player is going to make or break the season for the Browns.
I’m curious to see Ford with our first string line. He really looked good to me
That would also mean he would be facing first round defenders. I understand what you're saying but one's opinion I believe should be measured with the opponents a player faced.
As it pertains to the OL. The Browns have a great OL. But one must ask about the C position. At this time that's a pretty big unknown as to the quality of play they will get at that position. And I do understand those that are saying with Botonio on side of the C and Teller on the other side they will be a big help. But what I don't think people are taking into consideration is that if they have to help compensate for the C position, how much will that impact them being able to get to the second level and doing their job as well at the same time? I mean realistically speaking you can't be doing two jobs at the same time.
The play they get from the C position may have a larger impact on the play from the G's than people are considering. You can't be getting to the second level if you're inside helping your C.
After Myles and Clowney, I'd rather give Wright and Thomas all the reps they can handle than have Rochell take them. Seemed like a decent player and good guy, but he is what he is at this point in his career.
I’m curious to see Ford with our first string line. He really looked good to me
I would like to see Ford get the chance to be our KR/PR
KR/PR is really weak for us following the Jakeem Grant injury
I say we just throw Schwartz back there and give him an extra shot at keeping his locker. Maybe a few wins at kr/pr will wake him up. Next option would seem to be smelling salts, so it's worth a try.
I say we just throw Schwartz back there and give him an extra shot at keeping his locker. Maybe a few wins at kr/pr will wake him up. Next option would seem to be smelling salts, so it's worth a try.
With his hands, I'm not sure I like that idea. The return game has been a weak point for years, but it hasn't been catastrophic. Putting Schwartz back there may turn it into that.
j/c:
Almost every year, there is one guy that excels in preseason, gets released, fans are confused/upset, and in the end, might never hear his name again. We'll see if it ends up being Rochell.
Just when I was finally at peace with KhaDarel Hodge being cut you say this!
I think with Rochell, it's not necessarily about releasing him, it's more about releasing him to make room for Mond. Rochell would likely be a serviceable player. If the Browns were looking for a bad QB, they could have signed a number of the bums out there to the PS rather than one to the active roster.
In the grand scheme though, neither player is going to make or break the season for the Browns.
They could have. It looks like they want 3 QBs on the active roster.
I know there has been talk about having Dobbs packages to run. If we actually plan to do that, we probably want that 3rd guy active in case Dobbs gets dinged while running some RPO.
I say we just throw Schwartz back there and give him an extra shot at keeping his locker. Maybe a few wins at kr/pr will wake him up. Next option would seem to be smelling salts, so it's worth a try.
With his hands, I'm not sure I like that idea. The return game has been a weak point for years, but it hasn't been catastrophic. Putting Schwartz back there may turn it into that.
I know, and it's hard to argue, I just want to accelerate a plan towards finding out if he has any value to this team.
He returned 15 KOs last year without incident. He wasn't terrible, but never really looked like a "threat" either.
I say we just throw Schwartz back there and give him an extra shot at keeping his locker. Maybe a few wins at kr/pr will wake him up. Next option would seem to be smelling salts, so it's worth a try.
With his hands, I'm not sure I like that idea. The return game has been a weak point for years, but it hasn't been catastrophic. Putting Schwartz back there may turn it into that.
I know, and it's hard to argue, I just want to accelerate a plan towards finding out if he has any value to this team.
He returned 15 KOs last year without incident. He wasn't terrible, but never really looked like a "threat" either.
You're thinking may be right in terms of getting him some confidence and finding out his place.
I just hope it'd be on KRs, not PRs.
I'm not sure, but I don't think he returned punts last year. I could be wrong.
KRs are almost obsolete nowadays anyway.
Yeah. Why even bother? No sarcasm here.
I say we just throw Schwartz back there and give him an extra shot at keeping his locker. Maybe a few wins at kr/pr will wake him up. Next option would seem to be smelling salts, so it's worth a try.
With his hands, I'm not sure I like that idea. The return game has been a weak point for years, but it hasn't been catastrophic. Putting Schwartz back there may turn it into that.
I know, and it's hard to argue, I just want to accelerate a plan towards finding out if he has any value to this team.
He returned 15 KOs last year without incident. He wasn't terrible, but never really looked like a "threat" either.
I don't know if the problem with Schwartz is he can't catch or he can't track a moving ball but he is the last guy I want to see back there trying to return punts. I would rather put nobody back there and just try to block a few punts.
If Schwartz goes back in to punt return position, there better not be any rope handy because I might just opt to go hang myself.
Haha! I dont think we dare put Schwartz back to return punts. I think we’ll put Felton or DPJ back there … ugh
Schwartz is attempting to overcome "fear"...
He loses focus on catching the ball and I don't see any evidence that he is making headway to overcome his issue. He was targeted 6 times in the Bears pre-season game and caught 1 pass for 8 yds.
Putting Schwartz out on the field to return punts and kickoffs...I don't see how such a move helps Schwartz overcome his pass catching problems.
Is it fear or is he just still doing a bunch of things for the first time in actual game action and thinking too much? He hasn't played a ton. He's still working his way up the learning curve.
I like how the new QBs pulled him aside and talked him through things while being supportive. It's not something I had seen a ton of.
Haha! I dont think we dare put Schwartz back to return punts. I think we’ll put Felton or DPJ back there … ugh
I sure hope not DPJ. I know he did PRs for us last year, but our #2 WR doesn't need to be back there this season with an already thin WR corp.
Ford and/or Felton for return duties this year I guess, at least for awhile?
It's too bad the receiver depth is as poor as it is, because we probably thought Grant could handle PRs and be a #5 or #6 receiver or something. Once he got hurt, we brought in Easop Winston who had little or no real NFL WR credentials but was supposed to be strictly a return guy. But he really had no chance to make the team because there was no way he was going to break into the WR depth chart - a wasted roster spot for a one-dimensional player. I'm not sure if he even played in preseason.
My feeling is that our PR game will be below average at best again this season. Hope I'm wrong. KRs really don't matter anymore.
Let's see what Ford's got to offer.
I don't think you'll find a team in the NFL who is strong at every position or facet of the game. The Browns do have a few weakness in some units but overall a very strong roster and team.
I think our return game was probably last or near last in 2021. It’ll probably be the same this year
I don't think you'll find a team in the NFL who is strong at every position or facet of the game. The Browns do have a few weakness in some units but overall a very strong roster and team.
I think most would agree. The issue I have is that you have to score points in the NFL and to score anywhere-near quickly and efficiently you have to have a passing attack. Our WR room hasn't been top-tier since...who knows when?
The Bengals (formerly Bungles) passed on the best LT in the draft last year with supposedly a terrible OLine...they picked Chase...and went to the Super Bowl.
So while I agree that you can't be strong at every position...you can't be incredibly weak at WR and/or QB. For the first 11 games of 2022, we will have managed both.
I don't really disagree with you. I was simply looking at it as it pertained to the talent of the roster overall.