In most states, you can’t pass yourself off as an election-denying January 6 truther and still be taken seriously by a majority of voters.
By Mark Leibovich
Donald trump has a knack for making his most committed apologists look like complete imbeciles—even if they are not complete imbeciles, though many of them are. This has been true for several years. But in recent weeks, Trump’s trickle-down idiocy has become a significant midterm-election issue for Republicans, and a drag on some of the party’s most vulnerable Senate candidates.
If you’re a candidate seeking a GOP nomination, Trump’s blessing can be a political wonder drug. But it comes with debilitating side effects. These go beyond the standard debasements that Trump inflicts on his dependents (for instance, Trump boasting at a Youngstown, Ohio, rally on Saturday that J. D. Vance, who is running for Senate there, was “in love” with him and “kissing my ass, he wants my support so much”). Assuming an acceptable Trumpian posture requires a determined self-lobotomy. In most states, it’s nearly impossible to pass yourself off as an election-denying January 6 truther and still be taken seriously by a majority of voters. Yet many candidates who clearly know better are doing exactly this.
You might be a media-slick, Ivy-bred brainiac like Vance or Dr. Mehmet Oz, and even admit backstage that you don’t really believe the asininity you’re spouting. As a general rule, though, discerning swing voters tend not to differentiate between fools and those who just play them on TV.
Not every Trump knockoff is faking it, of course. The former president has mainstreamed an authentic collection of cranks, bozos, and racists. The preponderance of safe, gerrymandered seats probably ensures continued employment in the House for the loony-tunes likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene.
The trickier proposition for Republicans involves statewide elections in toss-up states—which is why someone like Greene would almost certainly never win, say, a Senate race in her home state of Georgia. (The actual Republican nominee, Herschel Walker, is himself bananas, but also something of a special case given that he was a University of Georgia football legend.) While the primary successes of Trump’s protégés have saddled Republicans with, as Mitch McConnell put it, low “candidate quality”—people like Walker, Oz, and Blake Masters in Arizona—the former president has imposed a mental headwind against even the most seasoned GOP incumbents. It is to their great disadvantage, at least with most college-educated voters, that remaining Trump-accredited requires shaving dozens of IQ points off an otherwise sound candidate’s brain.
I was contemplating this phenomenon the other day as I watched Senator Marco Rubio of Florida beclown himself in service to the man he used to openly loathe. As Trump’s opponent in 2016, Rubio was one of those ostentatiously saddened and troubled candidates who kept lamenting that Trump was turning that campaign into “a freak show.” Before Rubio became a cast member in the freak show himself, he talked a lot about how dangerous Trump was, how he would not trust Trump with nuclear secrets if, God forbid, he were ever to become president. Perhaps he was worried about something like Trump stashing deeply classified documents in his Mar-a-Lago closets.
During a recent interview, a Florida TV host asked Rubio, who is facing a reelection challenge from Democratic Representative Val Demings, about the Department of Justice’s efforts to retrieve those classified documents. Rubio dismissed the matter as a “storage issue.” DOJ, he argued, doesn’t “deny he should have access to those documents. What they deny is that they were not properly stored.” Rubio’s self-correction to Made MAGA Man apparently compelled him to downplay Trump’s frightful conduct, even though it was something he obviously would have screamed bloody murder about if Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton had done the same. This was not a mere “storage issue,” at least not primarily. It was a “Why is the former president refusing to relinquish scores of classified and highly sensitive documents that don’t belong to him?” issue.
As the top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, Rubio is clearly aware of this. But he’s been playing this game for a while, and he knew what was required of him. He spoke in his usual rat-a-tat of righteously rehearsed lines, and he did not appear to be having much fun. In fact, Rubio sounded miserable, as he often does when called upon to defend Trump’s indefensibles. He seemed to fully anticipate scorn and ridicule raining down.
It did, but mostly from people who don’t like Rubio anyway. In Florida, a state the former president carried twice, Rubio is probably right that it’s more important to avoid angering Trump or his supporters. But the overriding hassle was that Rubio had to be talking about this topic at all two months before his election. I might have felt a twinge of sympathy, except no one was forcing Rubio to do this.
From the get-go, Republican officials have had to contort themselves in ridiculous ways to navigate Trump’s reality-distortion field. Sean Spicer became the paradigmatic example when the ill-fated White House press secretary spent his second day on the job vomiting his credibility into thin air by insisting—on orders from the new boss—that Trump had drawn a bigger inauguration crowd than Barack Obama had, despite clear visual evidence to the contrary.
We’ve gotten so used to the Trickle-Down-Idiocy Effect that it no longer engenders surprise, let alone outrage. It goes well beyond candidates having to perpetrate lies or offer preposterous explanations such as “storage issue,” “alternative facts,” “normal tourist visit,” and whatnot. Trump’s reckless claims and behaviors have led his dependents into a minefield of topics that, in previous campaign cycles, would likely never have come up, let alone be so fraught.
Absent Trump, Republican candidates in 2022 would be able to focus on subjects that would be more favorable to them and their party, such as inflation, crime, and Biden’s unpopularity. Trump continuously muddles their efforts and requires them to dwell in the bizarre realm of his narcissistic delusions. From Trump’s perspective—and therefore, much of the GOP’s perspective—that world never advanced beyond November 2020. He has done his best to ensure that the stolen-election myth has remained the most important issue in America.
Candidates are well accustomed to playing to the base for the primary and then pivoting to the center for the midterms. Savvy voters understand and tolerate this to a degree. But Trump has made finessing the gap far more complicated.
Dr. Oz, for instance, was recently asked whether he would have voted to certify Biden’s election if he had been in the Senate on January 6. He was never a full-on “it was rigged” guy, but he was always careful to be vague about it. “We cannot leave 2020 behind,” he said more than once during his primary campaign. He was much more definitive this month, however, in response to the question about Biden’s certification. “I would not have objected to it,” Oz said. “By the time the delegates and those reports were sent to the U.S. Senate, our job was to approve it, which is what I would have done.”
By opting for the sky-is-blue answer, Oz took the risk of antagonizing Trump and his election-denying supporters. Was he smart to answer this way, or reckless? Did Trump—being Trump—place Oz in a no-win position where he would come off as either a kook or a traitor?
Oz received this question during a press conference in which he was endorsed by the Republican senator he was vying to replace, Pat Toomey. Again, in any rational political world, the backing of the retiring incumbent would be a straightforward plus. But Toomey’s name has become pure sewage in Trump World over his vote to convict the former president in his second impeachment trial. Trump was reportedly not pleased by Oz’s certification blasphemy or by his willingness to appear with Treasonous Toomey. But props to Oz for doing the bare minimum.
J.d. Vance was no Trump fan at first; the Yale Law grad and Silicon Valley venture capitalist once likened the future president to “cultural heroin.” But since converting to MAGAism, Vance has proved a righteous acolyte. On the holy-grail issue of 2020, he has maintained that the election was stolen, sparing himself, at the very least, the embarrassment of whiplash.
Vance can be cavalier at times, taking stupid much too far. Back in February, he appeared on Steve Bannon’s War Room podcast and declared, “I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or the other.” I have no idea whether Vance really felt this way or was just engaging in performative indifference and isolationism in an effort to mimic the couch-potato parochialism of his patron (Trump) or the “flood the zone with [censored]” nihilism of his host (Bannon).
But Vance paid a price. His “I don’t care about Ukraine” grenade detonated in his own face when Vladimir Putin launched his unprovoked invasion a few days later. People in both parties rallied behind Ukraine, most notably in northeastern Ohio, home to one of the largest concentrations of Ukrainian Americans in the country. Vance later issued a cleanup statement in which described the Russian invasion as “unquestionably a tragedy.”
Like Rubio in Florida, Vance is vying to represent a GOP-trending state that Trump won twice, so he probably has a bigger cushion to absorb whatever pain his election lies cause him. He remains a slight favorite in his race against Democratic Representative Tim Ryan.
In a less Trump-hospitable state, Vance would have a much harder time. New Hampshire’s Don Bolduc became the latest toadying Trump endorsee to see his apparent faith rewarded, having won the state’s Republican nomination for Senate this month. He spent more than a year as a loud and unrelenting election denier, but just 36 hours after winning the primary, he made a screeching 180. Bolduc, a retired Army general, said he had “come to the conclusion” that the vote “was not stolen” after all. “I’ve done a lot of research on this,” he claimed. (They always do a lot of research!)
Presumably, Bolduc was trying to make himself look like a reasonable general-election candidate, and not a total idiot.
I hope Georgia scrapes her off the bottom of their shoe. It’ll take time to get her out of the treads but if they’re diligent, and use a stick, it’ll work.
Democrats Wave the White Flag in Florida: ‘Going to Be Ugly’
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‘Going to be ugly’: All signs point to Republican landslide in Florida National organizations and donors have all but abandoned their candidates — setting off fears that Florida is no longer viewed as competitive. That would have dire implications for the next presidential election.
By MATT DIXON and GARY FINEOUT
10/27/2022 04:30 AM EDT
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — Florida Democrats are bracing for a very bad night on Nov. 8.
Less than two weeks before the election, Democrats are signaling that key races are slipping away from them. They point to ominous signs and missed opportunities, including the party’s message on abortion rights and gun control that isn’t resonating and a lack of coordination between the campaigns of Rep. Val Demings, who is vying to unseat Sen. Marco Rubio, and Charlie Crist, who is challenging Gov. Ron DeSantis.
Most worrisome for Democrats, national organizations and donors have all but abandoned their candidates — setting off fears that Florida is no longer viewed as competitive.
That would have dire implications for the next presidential election.
“If Democrats follow this building national narrative and decide not to compete in Florida in 2024, it will be one of the most short-sighted decisions of the last 30 years,” said Greg Goddard, a veteran Florida Democratic fundraiser. “Where do we think the pathway to winning a future presidential election lies?”
Interviews with more than a dozen Democratic operatives, consultants and elected officials reflect that there’s little optimism ahead of the midterms and longstanding issues that show the once-perennial swing state may be lost to them. Consider:
The Democratic Governors Association spent just $685,000 this election cycle. It gave $14 million to Florida in the past two governor races. Big outside donor money has almost completely dried up. New York billionaire Michael Bloomberg contributed only $1.5 million to Democrats this cycle. He vowed $100 million to Florida in 2020. Polling shows Republicans making headway in Miami-Dade County, which has long served as a blue stronghold. Democrats have collectively raised $29 million in the four non-federal statewide races. Republicans raised nearly $200 million. Florida has trended Republican in recent years, with former President Donald Trump winning the state in 2016 by a little over 1 percent and again in 2020 by an even wider 3-point margin. Many Democrats began to write off the state, even as the party maintained a big voter registration advantage. Now it’s lost that edge — there are now nearly 300,000 more registered Republicans statewide.
It all seems to spell doom for Democrats. Some think the party is just waving a white flag.
State Sen. Jason Pizzo, a Democrat who represents part of South Florida, noted that President Joe Biden has visited the state only twice since becoming president — both during times of crisis instead of specific campaign events. Biden is scheduled to hold a fundraiser and get out the vote rally with Crist in South Florida on Nov. 1, just days before the election. Demings is scheduled to join Biden at the rally.
“What have Democrats done? Not enough,” Pizzo said.
The DeSantis factor At a recent event in Jacksonville, a few dozen of the most fervent Florida Democratic activists gathered at a union hall to hear Democratic National Committee Chair Jaime Harrison rally supporters ahead of the midterms..
Calling the Nov. 8 elections the most important “of our lifetime,” Harrison tried to summon enthusiasm for the slate of Democratic candidates. But there was a sense of resignation from the crowd of activists who have seen Democrats lose almost every major Florida election over the past two decades.
“We are ready to elect Crist,” Harrison told the crowd. “We are ready to elect Val Demings as our next senator.”
The event was supposed to send a charge through the party’s grassroots but instead exposed the lack of coordination among candidates and enthusiasm gap haunting Democrats. Demings wasn’t there, nor were Democratic candidates for state attorney general or agriculture commissioner. Only Crist, the former Florida Republican governor turned Democrat, who is challenging Gov. Ron DeSantis, attended.
“You had the Democratic gubernatorial candidate on his [get out the vote] bus tour in arguably one of the strongest Democratic performing swing counties and best-organized ground games, and you had 50 or 60 people show up?” said Matthew Van Name, a longtime Democratic consultant who attended the event. “2022 is one of the most uncomfortable and segmented cycles I’ve seen.”
“I think Ron DeSantis will win Miami-Dade County. Democratic voters are not at all excited or motivated by Charlie’s campaign.”
Evan Ross, South Florida-based Democratic consultant
The sinking feeling among Democrats comes against the backdrop of DeSantis’ rise. He has become a leading national figure, a likely 2024 GOP presidential candidate and fundraising juggernaut who’s pulled in more than $150 million for his campaign operation during the 2022 cycle and millions more for the Republican Party of Florida.
That cash advantage allowed DeSantis to spend more than $50 million on TV ads, dwarfing what Crist and Democrats could get on the airwaves. Crist, for instance, spent a total of $5.5 million on attack ads, with $1.2 million of that used against Nikki Fried, his Democratic primary opponent.
DeSantis fueled his rise in part by charting his own course on Covid-19, eschewing lockdowns and vaccine mandates. He built a Trumplike connection with conservative base voters that has most political observers asking not if he will win reelection, but by how much. He might even dominate Miami-Dade County, which he lost by 20 points in 2018 to Democratic nominee Andrew Gillum.
That cash advantage allowed DeSantis to spend more than $50 million on TV ads, dwarfing what Crist and Democrats could get on the airwaves. Crist, for instance, spent a total of $5.5 million on attack ads, with $1.2 million of that used against Nikki Fried, his Democratic primary opponent.
DeSantis fueled his rise in part by charting his own course on Covid-19, eschewing lockdowns and vaccine mandates. He built a Trumplike connection with conservative base voters that has most political observers asking not if he will win reelection, but by how much. He might even dominate Miami-Dade County, which he lost by 20 points in 2018 to Democratic nominee Andrew Gillum.
DeSantis calls certain teaching methods ‘inappropriate’ in debate with Crist
SharePlay Video “I think Ron DeSantis will win Miami-Dade County,” said Evan Ross, a longtime South Florida-based Democratic consultant. “Democratic voters are not at all excited or motivated by Charlie’s campaign. Right now, I think it will be close, but I think DeSantis beats Crist here.”
Ross recently conducted polling in Miami-Dade County that found roughly 15 percent of Democrats saying they would not vote for Crist, while 5 percent of Republicans said they wouldn’t vote for DeSantis. In the county, DeSantis’ approval rating with Republicans is plus-89 percent, while Crist’s approval rating is just plus-49 with Democrats. Democrats still lead Republicans in overall voter registration numbers in Miami-Dade, more than 575,000 to 435,000-plus, though that gap is decreasing.
“The only thing that might give Charlie Crist a chance of becoming governor would be DeSantis aggressively campaigning for him over the next two weeks,” Ross said. “Translation: It’s over. And it’s going to be ugly.”
It’s not the only bad sign for Democrats in Miami-Dade County, where nearly 60 percent of voters are Hispanic.
An internal poll released earlier this month by Democrat Annette Taddeo had her beating her Republican opponent, Rep. María Elvira Salazar, by just 1 point in Miami-Dade County’s 27th Congressional District — but with DeSantis up on Crist by 6 points in that district. DeSantis lost the district in 2018 by nearly 8 points.
That cash advantage allowed DeSantis to spend more than $50 million on TV ads, dwarfing what Crist and Democrats could get on the airwaves. Crist, for instance, spent a total of $5.5 million on attack ads, with $1.2 million of that used against Nikki Fried, his Democratic primary opponent.
DeSantis fueled his rise in part by charting his own course on Covid-19, eschewing lockdowns and vaccine mandates. He built a Trumplike connection with conservative base voters that has most political observers asking not if he will win reelection, but by how much. He might even dominate Miami-Dade County, which he lost by 20 points in 2018 to Democratic nominee Andrew Gillum.
DeSantis calls certain teaching methods ‘inappropriate’ in debate with Crist
“I think Ron DeSantis will win Miami-Dade County,” said Evan Ross, a longtime South Florida-based Democratic consultant. “Democratic voters are not at all excited or motivated by Charlie’s campaign. Right now, I think it will be close, but I think DeSantis beats Crist here.”
Ross recently conducted polling in Miami-Dade County that found roughly 15 percent of Democrats saying they would not vote for Crist, while 5 percent of Republicans said they wouldn’t vote for DeSantis. In the county, DeSantis’ approval rating with Republicans is plus-89 percent, while Crist’s approval rating is just plus-49 with Democrats. Democrats still lead Republicans in overall voter registration numbers in Miami-Dade, more than 575,000 to 435,000-plus, though that gap is decreasing.
“The only thing that might give Charlie Crist a chance of becoming governor would be DeSantis aggressively campaigning for him over the next two weeks,” Ross said. “Translation: It’s over. And it’s going to be ugly.”
It’s not the only bad sign for Democrats in Miami-Dade County, where nearly 60 percent of voters are Hispanic.
An internal poll released earlier this month by Democrat Annette Taddeo had her beating her Republican opponent, Rep. María Elvira Salazar, by just 1 point in Miami-Dade County’s 27th Congressional District — but with DeSantis up on Crist by 6 points in that district. DeSantis lost the district in 2018 by nearly 8 points.
DeSantis and Crist spar over abortion at debate
In the same race, seen as one of the only competitive congressional races left in Florida, Republicans hold an 818-vote advantage with nearly 55,000 votes already cast. Democrats typically win preelection day voting, which is a combination of mail ballots and in-person early voting, so the fact Republicans are winning is a bad sign for Taddeo and Democrats. Especially in a county that has long been one of the state’s biggest Democratic strongholds.
"What it means for Democrats is we need to reset how we define ourselves,” Ross said. “We can’t have candidates who attempt to walk the line on issues. You know, for the most part, where Ron DeSantis stands on every issue. Donald Trump did the same thing. We need to take strong positions.”
Scant optimism Some Democrats, however, are trying to retain some hope about the looming election.
“Conventional wisdom is that DeSantis and Rubio had this locked up, but it wasn’t long ago that conventional wisdom had Joe Biden dead in the Democratic primary and Trump losing to Hillary by double digits,” said Juan Penalosa, former executive director of the Florida Democratic Party. “Anyone who can say with certainty that they know the election results ahead of time is reading a crystal ball but not a poll. This is going to come down to turnout, and right now, with more than 800,000 votes cast, Democrats have the edge.”
Lauren Book, a Democratic legislative leader who is trying to stop Republicans from gaining a supermajority in the state Senate, added: “Just because a few polls say there’s a red wave should we give up? Absolutely not.”
Steve Schale, a veteran Democratic strategist who still runs a super PAC that supports Biden, was blunt: “I don’t see how we get to 50 percent” of the vote tally by the end of election night.
Schale pointed out how the party is now struggling with Hispanic and non-college educated white voters. Democrats in the past would try to rely on large margins in urban counties, such as Miami-Dade. If that doesn’t happen, there’s no realistic path to victory.
I can't wait until midterms are over. Tired of the elections ads. Never thought I'd wish for the ambulance chasing injury lawyer commercials to come back.
I am curious to see what happens in PA. All politics aside here, and not to demean Fetterman because of his condition, but I don't see any way that guy should win.
I am curious to see what happens in PA. All politics aside here, and not to demean Fetterman because of his condition, but I don't see any way that guy should win.
Gonna change your word 'should' to my word 'could,' for purposes of making this post.
Me either. And that's a sad thing.
Every doctor who has been consulted about Fetterman's condition has claimed that his post-stroke recovery is on-track... and that the lag his communicative processes have no relation to his cognitive processes. In other words, Dude's still there intellectually, but will probably take a political hit, because most folks will judge him based upon how he presented at this debate.
I actually saw/listened to him before the stroke. He's been on my radar/in my feed for more than a year.
His interviews were disciplined, concise. His 'pep rallies' were energetic, focused... and spoke directly to the issues that his constituents were most concerned about. That's why he built the kind of base that stuck with him, even after the stroke. Look him up. He is exactly as I've described him.
And yet, he might lose this election to a guy who:
1. has never lived in the state 2. doesn't know anything about the issues of the state he seeks to 'represent' 3. never really cared about politics before now 4. is only relevant because of his TV-based name recognition.
It's a crying shame, but Fetterman losing his PA senate bid is a distinct possibility.
A man who has actually served Pennsylvania's Public as mayor and state's Lieutenant Governor, is now locked in a dead-heat... with a vacuous TV pill supplement salesman who got his start on a 90's episode of "Oprah!"... and was promoted to run, by a vacuous Reality TV Show MC who actually, inexplicably became POTUS.
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I still have a hard time believing what this country now looks like. "Dr." Mehmet Oz mocked this man during his stroke recovery. Repeatedly. In the public forum.
"First, do no harm," my ass. Oz basically stuck his middle finger (and forearm) all the way up Hippocrates' Oath- to promote Dolt 45's ongoing agenda.
Some guy to sit on Capitol Hill.
I can't even, any more- smdh
and don't get me started on Georgia... with that 'dress Black sock puppet' being propped up by that same Midway Barker.
The thing that bugs me most about Ox is that his show started off good then he started promoting crap products. I presume he was getting paid off to do so. No way he could be that incompetent. Why would anybody vote for someone so easily bought off?
The thing that bugs me most about Ox is that his show started off good then he started promoting crap products. I presume he was getting paid off to do so. No way he could be that incompetent. Why would anybody vote for someone so easily bought off?
Because the alternative is a guy who has no idea what is going on and likely will need someone to make most major decision for him because of a massive stroke.... its the issue with most races... it's two candidate that both suck...
Actually that's not what the doctors are saying. But okay.
I don't believe any letter that he got from a doctor... watching him in the debate and being in health care for 17 years, he's got some major brain trauma still.... and we expect him to tolerate the stress of congress?
I'd love to actually see his medical records... same for Biden... and frankly, would have loved to seen Trump as well.... but we won't... we get a blanket my doctors say I'm fit... as he's stumbling over words, can't formulate a sentence, and blames the teleprompter for his challenges...
And to add to it... Fetterman should have stepped down before the primaries... if someone, maybe his wife, would have said that he needs to focus on his health and the dems found a decent replacement then this wouldn't even be a close contest...
Actually that's not what the doctors are saying. But okay.
Which doctors? His? Talking heads with a vested interest?
I've known a couple stroke victims as well as doctors and nurses that who have worked with them. Most improvement is within 90 days; very little and only slight improvement after six months. Obviously everyone is different, but his stroke was five months ago. Fetterman also has a heart condition and had a pacemaker installed after his stroke. Why would people asking questions or raising concerns be off limits?
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Two weeks ago, NBC News reporter Dasha Burns reported on what she observed at an interview with Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. Fetterman, his first on-camera since the stroke. The Senate candidate, Burns said, appeared to struggle with "small talk."
The pushback against Burns was fast and furious. Fellow journalists attacked Burns for doing her job. Fetterman's wife, Gisele, demanded that the reporter apologize and called Burns "ableist."
The message was clear: Questions about Fetterman's ability to serve in office are off-limits, and anyone who dares to raise the issue should brace for attack.
The thing that bugs me most about Ox is that his show started off good then he started promoting crap products. I presume he was getting paid off to do so. No way he could be that incompetent. Why would anybody vote for someone so easily bought off?
Because the alternative is a guy who has no idea what is going on and likely will need someone to make most major decision for him because of a massive stroke.... its the issue with most races... it's two candidate that both suck...
BS. That's just an excuse for republicans to vote for a troll. They always find some reason to justify voting for somebody who is horrible over a real person that cares. I wouldn't piss on Oz if he was on fire, let alone vote for him.
First early vote was in last week. Voting again in the next county north Monday and then still time to get another dozen votes in without hitting the same voting station twice before election night. This early voting stuff is so cool.
First early vote was in last week. Voting again in the next county north Monday and then still time to get another dozen votes in without hitting the same voting station twice before election night. This early voting stuff is so cool.
I've been using disguises to defeat facial recognition software. I've used latex prosthetics/makeup to vote as:
1. myself (with a Cro Magnon brow line) 2. a Klingon 3. an old Jewish man named Moishe (think Eddie Murphy) 4. a bass guitarist in a Mariachi band.
Yeah, that's just how good my spy game is.
On my commutes to the precincts, I wear a hoodie, Ray-Ban aviators, and a black KN-95 CoVid mask. I've super glued my fingertips, so The Man can't lift my fingerprints off the voting machines that I (and thousands of others) have used.
So far, I've been easily able to vote in 4 different precincts without attracting undue attention from those hyper-vigilant, well-armed poll watchers. The key: doing a b&e mission, setting up portable stripper poles in the corners of the voting precincts the night before. The risk is worth the reward, bruh- Candy, Cinnamon, Cherry Turnover and Taffy have turned all these dolts into "pole watchers." Their AR15's are now AR15.5's... and they couldn't be happier.
I understand that at this point in time people wish to label anyone, even health care professionals as having some vested interest in lying or twisting the truth. That rather than look at them as health care professionals they wish to label them as political shills. Knowing "a couple stroke victims as well as doctors and nurses that who have worked with them" doesn't make you an expert on stroke victims. I'm no expert either. My dad had what is actually a massive stroke. He never walked or talked again until he passed away.
All stroke victims are different. Their recovery times are different. What seems to be your one size fits all scenario is quite wrong. You should notice notable improvement within the first three months but claiming one fully recovers or won't recover far more after that time period is not accurate.......
Stroke Recovery Timeline: How Long Does It Take to Recover?
I have a buddy that had a stroke a few years back. He’s (was) a percussionist… a damned good one. Unfortunately the stroke took that from him. He was able to get into a research program a year or so ago and was given stem cells. His recovery has been dramatic. He’ll never be able to play his Congo drums the way he use to but his walking and talking has improved greatly. I shed a tear when he posted a video of himself jumping for the first time in years. Such a simple thing as jumping brought so much joy to him… it was both heartbreaking and inspiring. It’s been a long journey for him. Hopefully one day stem cell therapy will revolutionize healthcare. Not just for stroke victims but for many other afflictions. Science is awesome.
Each stroke is different. I think they are like snowflakes lol. I have had three. One on the right side, and two on the left. I ignored much of the info the DR's tried to feed me. Everybody recovery is different. I am still working on mine.
Social Security is a pay-as-you-go system. Current contributors pay for current beneficiaries. It transfers income from the current generation of workers to the current generation of retirees, with the promise that there will be another generation of workers to pay for the current generation of workers’ retirement. It does not require a doubling of participants every time a payment is made to a current beneficiary or a geometric increase in the number of participants. In its essence, Social Security is a contract between generations, binding together the interests of both young and old in a system that provides protection to all.
Unlike a fraudulent secretive Ponzi scheme, Social Security’s finances are transparent to the public, as required by law. Each year Social Security’s actuaries release a detailed report on the system’s finances. Its dedicated funding source – Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) payroll taxes of current workers – are used to pay benefits for current beneficiaries. For years, these taxes more than covered the cost of the benefits, with the surplus (currently, $2.9 trillion) invested in U.S. Treasury securities, widely considered by finance industry professionals and foreign governments as the world’s best and safest investment. The U.S. government has never defaulted on its Treasury security obligations.
According to Francis X. Cavanaugh, the first Executive Director of the Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board and a former Department of the Treasury official:
“…the [Social Security] trust fund actually gets a much better deal than the private funds that buy Treasuries in the market. The trust fund, by law, may redeem its securities before maturity at par value, rather than at the sometimes deep market discounts suffered by private investors during periods of rising interest rates. Also, since the trust fund gets its securities directly from the Treasury, it avoids the market transaction costs which private investors must pay. Finally, the law requires the Treasury to pay the trust fund an interest rate on all of its investments in Treasuries equal to the average yield on long-term Treasury marketable securities. This is a significant benefit to the trust fund, since long-term rates are generally much higher than short-term rates.”
Some of the interest on these securities is now being used to cover the gap between what is collected in FICA taxes and the cost of benefits for current retirees.
Finally, Social Security is a mandatory program. Given that workers are required by law to pay FICA taxes, the program has a guaranteed and dedicated source of revenue in perpetuity.
Social Security remains strong and will be able to pay full benefits for many years to come – until 2034. Thereafter, there will still be enough payroll tax revenue coming into the program to pay 78 percent of all benefits owed. Congress has adjusted and revised the program many times since its inception over eighty years ago and there is every reason to believe it will do so again before trust fund reserves are depleted in 12 years.
It is a ponzi scheme. If a worker pays in his entire work life and then dies a week after retiring what did all the money that worker pay in benefit his family? Nothing! It benefits the government and nothing else!
Your article only says that it is a transparent ponzi scheme lol.
Social Security's system of collections and payments are very similar to a pyramid scheme -- and there is not a damn thing wrong with that. Pyramid "schemes" get a bad rap because they are usually used to defraud. Like the space time continuum, math and time are also infinite. As long as we are required to "pay in", the system should always be funded. I say should because we still have idiots that are too irresponsible to just let something so simple "work", without thinking they should always be changing it.
Over the past couple decades we've decided we should be able to borrow from SS to fund the government. It's been treated more an more like a garden variety savings account -- which is obviously baaaad.
It is troubling that the article says "for many years to come - until 2034". Twelve years isn't "many years to come". I guess this could be due to a combination of boomers collecting and a reduced amount of revenue coming in (damn illegals - JUST KIDDING). To properly take advantage of compounding interest, the magic of mathematics, I would think the account should be at least 25-30 years out.
Pyramid schemes are different from ponzi schemes. I won't argue the borrowing money route, but this is structured. Equating social security to Bernie Madoff style politics is incendiary-based ignorance. You're not doing that, obviously, but other posters are.
If you're relying on the government and social security for your retirement, you're doing it wrong..
I personally rather cut social security and let me keep that money to invest how I see fit... I understand why we have social security, but I know I could get better returns if I had access to my money
I have no doubt that both you and I could and a percentage of the population could and would. However, there is a large portion of the population that would burn through it. Sometime you need to protect people from themselves.
I'm hoping that Beto decides that enough is enough... he's now lost in his run for Senate... President... and Governor... dude, either go back to the House or retire from politics...
I'm hoping that Beto decides that enough is enough... he's now lost in his run for Senate... President... and Governor... dude, either go back to the House or retire from politics...
Beto and Stacey Abrams both need to take a back seat or lower positions. Both could win a house seat. Texas is stupid for re-electing Abbott, can you imagine?
I'm hoping that Beto decides that enough is enough... he's now lost in his run for Senate... President... and Governor... dude, either go back to the House or retire from politics...
Beto and Stacey Abrams both need to take a back seat or lower positions. Both could win a house seat. Texas is stupid for re-electing Abbott, can you imagine?
I'm not a huge fan of Abbott... but there's no way in hell I'm voting for Beto... I agree, that both Beto and Abrams should either step back from politics or go back to the house or something else... both have gotten a ton of national publicity and have proven they can lose big elections...
i already knew the dems were losing in the state and across the country, but i really held out hope that at least ohio wouldn't put Vance in office.
but nope, the W-L of hope in my fellow americans is....looking a bit Hue Jacksonish.
Dems are losing across the country? We must not be seeing the same news. With all the pundits saying republicans would get their red wave, sure seems to be a lot of blue wins, but I only tuned in just before 11 PM.
Right now, the Senate is at 46-46. And a lot of these places are just starting or haven't touched the early and mail-in votes yet. Looking scary right now, if Dems hold on, the big lie might trigger a civil war.
i already knew the dems were losing in the state and across the country, but i really held out hope that at least ohio wouldn't put Vance in office.
but nope, the W-L of hope in my fellow americans is....looking a bit Hue Jacksonish.
Dems are losing across the country? We must not be seeing the same news. With all the pundits saying republicans would get their red wave, sure seems to be a lot of blue wins, but I only tuned in just before 11 PM.
the country just watched the miami-dade county district turn red for desantis, with him and rubio absolutely running away with the W.
i already knew the dems were losing in the state and across the country, but i really held out hope that at least ohio wouldn't put Vance in office.
but nope, the W-L of hope in my fellow americans is....looking a bit Hue Jacksonish.
Dems are losing across the country? We must not be seeing the same news. With all the pundits saying republicans would get their red wave, sure seems to be a lot of blue wins, but I only tuned in just before 11 PM.
the country just watched the miami-dade county district turn red for desantis, with him and rubio absolutely running away with the W.
just stop it.
You didn't know Florida was a solidly red state now? Let the numbers come in. We haven't even put the overnight numbers into play yet, and we spent hours and hours filling those suitcases with EXTRA votes.
and im specifically focused on ohio right now. we literally decided to turn into indiana and western michigan. this wave of christian nationalism man....damn.
Fetterman hasn't won it yet. It looks like he will, but I doubt it's confirmed tonight.
True... probably won't be confirmed tonight, but I think it's clear he's going to win... that's probably my biggest head scratcher of the night... guy just seems so lost mentally that I'm surprised he's going to win, but I can understand because Oz is more of a Hollywood celeb than a Pennsylvanian...
and im specifically focused on ohio right now. we literally decided to turn into indiana and western michigan. this wave of christian nationalism man....damn.
Can't wait for all those guys that don't back Trump to tell us how JD Vance got elected. I can't get over that. Talk about a turd of a candidate... And the brain-dead elected him.
Fetterman hasn't won it yet. It looks like he will, but I doubt it's confirmed tonight.
True... probably won't be confirmed tonight, but I think it's clear he's going to win... that's probably my biggest head scratcher of the night... guy just seems so lost mentally that I'm surprised he's going to win, but I can understand because Oz is more of a Hollywood celeb than a Pennsylvanian...
I would have voted for Fetterman, hands down. But right now, I'd vote for a turnip over most republicans. Trump remains a clear and present danger. Hopefully, the DOJ takes him out and puts him in a deep dark hole.
Fetterman hasn't won it yet. It looks like he will, but I doubt it's confirmed tonight.
True... probably won't be confirmed tonight, but I think it's clear he's going to win... that's probably my biggest head scratcher of the night... guy just seems so lost mentally that I'm surprised he's going to win, but I can understand because Oz is more of a Hollywood celeb than a Pennsylvanian...
I would have voted for Fetterman, hands down. But right now, I'd vote for a turnip over most republicans. Trump remains a clear and present danger. Hopefully, the DOJ takes him out and puts him in a deep dark hole.
You seem fixated on killing people you don't like.
What are you talking about? The DOJ isn't going to kill Trump. You seem fixated on me when you should be working on yourself. Hell, you belong to that party of insurrection, you don't get to say crap about me.
we'll see... I don't think they have enough on him, but if they do hope they charge him...
I am hoping he doesn't run again, but who knows what that man will do...
2024 will be interesting...
He'll announce it on the 15th. Hell, he's already announced, just said tonight he would spill the beans on DeSantis and air out his dirty laundry if he dares to challenge him in 24.
Trump Says It Would Be a Mistake for DeSantis to Run for the White House in 2024
You are constantly saying people should die.......well, people you don't agree with, should die. Should be buried. You are a wanna be tough guy. A wanna be avenger.
MSNBC said that control of the house is too close to call. They project 219-216 Republicans with a 13-seat plus or minus. So basically a tie that will come down to races yet to be determined.
You are constantly saying people should die.......well, people you don't agree with, should die. Should be buried. You are a wanna be tough guy. A wanna be avenger.
Where? You got receipts or just running your mouth because you FEEL I said something that didn't sit right with you? Such a troll. Oh my OCD is violent, he says mean things... and I'm the snowflake.
You are constantly saying people should die.......well, people you don't agree with, should die. Should be buried. You are a wanna be tough guy. A wanna be avenger.
Where? You got receipts or just running your mouth because you FEEL I said something that didn't sit right with you? Such a troll. Oh my OCD is violent, he says mean things... and I'm the snowflake.
Receipts are...........well, in most posts of yours. It's constant from you, yet you call me a troll? Get a life.
Not exactly a Red Wave.... Lots of Election deniers were beaten. The question is, will the Right finally figure out that may not be the way to go... maybe following a Trump plan isn't the answer? Do you think these damn fools will figure it out.
Just a early observation, a little shuffling here and there, but it looks like the WWI battle of Marne with both sides dug in and little movement.
The star of the nigh was DeSantis IMO. His pull of the Latino group, largely due to his leadership during the pandemic and recent hurricane will make major waves on a national basis.
so just zooming out to the big picture results so far...even if the dems retain congress, or the gop takes it, look at the margins. from a national viewpoint, not much changed. what, maybe the gop ends up with a handful of house seats flipped for the majority? gop or dems MIGHT get 51 senate seats instead of the 50-50 split? red wave was more like a red fart.
basically, business as usual. thats why i look at midterms more locally and focus on Ohio, cause just to be honest i dont really care about the rest of the results no matter which party wins, i care about my state this election cycle.
JD freaking vance......really? thats who we went with? come on guys...
Just a early observation, a little shuffling here and there, but it looks like the WWI battle of Marne with both sides dug in and little movement.
The star of the nigh was DeSantis IMO. His pull of the Latino group, largely due to his leadership during the pandemic and recent hurricane will make major waves on a national basis.
He has a bigger fight now that he needs to decide whether he wants to take head on, or become the next Ted Cruz.
Just a early observation, a little shuffling here and there, but it looks like the WWI battle of Marne with both sides dug in and little movement.
The star of the nigh was DeSantis IMO. His pull of the Latino group, largely due to his leadership during the pandemic and recent hurricane will make major waves on a national basis.
He has a bigger fight now that he needs to decide whether he wants to take head on, or become the next Ted Cruz.
aye you see Trump take another shot at DeSantis last night?
as a liberal, i have to admit that for the conservative base, DeSantis is that dude. aye i'm not a floridian so its whatever. but damn it says something that Trump cares more about the grift that making sure the conservative base is well represented.
but MAGA hatters enabled that sort of behavior so....
Seeing that JD Vance gave Tim Ryan a 6 pack of Whoop azz yesterday, maybe Tim and Bernie Can throw the football around today and Tim can Tell Bernie how he almost won his Senate seat.
so just zooming out to the big picture results so far...even if the dems retain congress, or the gop takes it, look at the margins. from a national viewpoint, not much changed. what, maybe the gop ends up with a handful of house seats flipped for the majority? gop or dems MIGHT get 51 senate seats instead of the 50-50 split? red wave was more like a red fart.
basically, business as usual. thats why i look at midterms more locally and focus on Ohio, cause just to be honest i dont really care about the rest of the results no matter which party wins, i care about my state this election cycle.
JD freaking vance......really? thats who we went with? come on guys...
We had 2 bad candidates. Vance, ... Bleh .... and Tim Ryan has been incredibly ineffective, so evidently we went with the one we don't know. Also, it should be apparent tnat Ohio is turning bright red overall. Even in blue leaning (which used to be absolutely reliably blue) Mahoning Co, a generally well respected Democrat County Commissioner barely won against a largely unknown opponent by a whopping 204 votes. (out of 84-85k votes overall)
Just a early observation, a little shuffling here and there, but it looks like the WWI battle of Marne with both sides dug in and little movement.
The star of the nigh was DeSantis IMO. His pull of the Latino group, largely due to his leadership during the pandemic and recent hurricane will make major waves on a national basis.
He has a bigger fight now that he needs to decide whether he wants to take head on, or become the next Ted Cruz.
aye you see Trump take another shot at DeSantis last night?
as a liberal, i have to admit that for the conservative base, DeSantis is that dude. aye i'm not a floridian so its whatever. but damn it says something that Trump cares more about the grift that making sure the conservative base is well represented.
but MAGA hatters enabled that sort of behavior so....
I did see that. Full disclosure, I don't like DeSantis at all. Different personality - and considerably smarter and more cunning - than Trump, but he calls plays from the same playbook so to speak.
That being said, Trump runs against Biden in 2024, he loses...again, at least based on how everything is now. DeSantis runs and I think he wins. I think a lot of the donors know that, too, which is why you see them dividing and calling out Trump. Trump firing off this many unnecessary volleys at this point in time shows he's scared of DeSantis, too. It screams school yard bully insecurity.
What is difficult for DeSantis is that, right now, he pretty much has the full backing of the MAGA caucus. I don't think he wants to disrupt that until he has to make a play. With Trump continuing to call him out, it might force his hand earlier than he had planned.
What will be funny, though, and you can bank on this, is that if DeSantis does pull of a coup against Trump in the primary, you will see a lot of former Trump supporters begin to say the same things about him that many of us have said for a while, because they found their new train to ride.
so just zooming out to the big picture results so far...even if the dems retain congress, or the gop takes it, look at the margins. from a national viewpoint, not much changed. what, maybe the gop ends up with a handful of house seats flipped for the majority? gop or dems MIGHT get 51 senate seats instead of the 50-50 split? red wave was more like a red fart.
basically, business as usual. thats why i look at midterms more locally and focus on Ohio, cause just to be honest i dont really care about the rest of the results no matter which party wins, i care about my state this election cycle.
JD freaking vance......really? thats who we went with? come on guys...
We had 2 bad candidates. Vance, ... Bleh .... and Tim Ryan has been incredibly ineffective, so evidently we went with the one we don't know. Also, it should be apparent tnat Ohio is turning bright red overall. Even in blue leaning (which used to be absolutely reliably blue) Mahoning Co, a generally well respected Democrat County Commissioner barely won against a largely unknown opponent by a whopping 204 votes. (out of 84-85k votes overall)
Weird election, overall.
glad to see you back in this area. so straight up bro, what is your overall view of JD Vance? like, not taking into national politics, but just from a candidate perspective and his potential impact on our state. how do you view him?
I really hope that Trump doesn't run. He triggers way too many people in negative ways and I can't stand him.
I could live with DeSantis if he throws his hat in the ring. He has done a lot of really good things for Florida - tons of people love him and he has a lot of support.
Personally, I am still hoping for an independent or middle-ground Dem/GOP that can generate enough interest from both sides.
I'd love to see:
my body my choice my money my choice small federal government love is love term & age limits racism/sexism is stupid immigrants need to enter our country legally smoke all the weed you want own as many guns as you want flat taxes with no deductions
I hope he doesn't run either, but he's pretty much tipped his hand at this point, although the midterms haven't exactly validated his hopes of smooth sailing.
They'd have no shot, but I'm actually hoping Kinzinger and/or Cheney run in the primaries. Either one of them, DeSantis and Trump all on stage would be some gripping prime time television, if nothing else.
I would also love to see an independent, but we as a whole still seem hellbent on a two-party system for whatever reason.
I'm glad to see you back here, too. Just do what I do: have the forum open during a mundane teleconference at work so that you can actually have a valuable discussion.
I appreciate what DeSantis has done in Florida, but I don't like his "Trump like" grandstanding and over-enthusiastic speeches. But I think much of that is for the media. I did have the pleasure of seeing him in person without all the media around and he seemed pretty down to earth.
If nothing else, it would be nice to see some younger blood in the office. It's time we rid DC of the fossils, and bring it into the 21st century.
I don't know how we do it, but we really need to enact age limits on congressional seats, forced retirement. One should not be able to serve for 40+ years.
I really hope that Trump doesn't run. He triggers way too many people in negative ways and I can't stand him.
I could live with DeSantis if he throws his hat in the ring. He has done a lot of really good things for Florida - tons of people love him and he has a lot of support.
Personally, I am still hoping for an independent or middle-ground Dem/GOP that can generate enough interest from both sides.
I'd love to see:
my body my choice my money my choice small federal government love is love term & age limits racism/sexism is stupid immigrants need to enter our country legally smoke all the weed you want own as many guns as you want flat taxes with no deductions
I agree with all that. Problem is, besides owning as many guns as you want, you’ll never see any of that with a Republican in the Oval, never ever, even a middle ground Republican. And we shouldn’t have to worry about trump or Desantis. They should both be in jail by 2024.
just looking at the current results, looks like the GOP might want to be a lot less militant on illegal immigration. latino's are coming into the country...and voting Red. those latino numbers in florida for the gop is crazy.
almost as if culturally, the only difference between latino communities and american conservatives is the european language they both speak, like i've been saying...
I really have to laugh at this GOPer red wave wipe out. trump screwed the GOP on a great opportunity. They could have done …soooo …much better if they just stepped off the trump crazy train. Lol
I - for the life of me - can't figure out why we place the future of our country into the hands of so many octogenarians and late-septuagenarians.
Because the octogenarians are doing the voting?
Ha! I suppose that has something to do with it, especially as the Boomers age. I still can't imagine that - even with their turnout - that they'd be the controlling demographic of voters.
I - for the life of me - can't figure out why we place the future of our country into the hands of so many octogenarians and late-septuagenarians.
yea your IQ definitely higher than mine. i had to google both words cause i never heard them before lololol
I don't know about all that, bro. I think I was 135 last I checked - like 15ish years ago - but all the big words and BS that I use still doesn't make up for my frequent airheadedness.
I'm rather stunned. With inflation at its highest in 40 years I expected the GOP to create more of a red tsunami than a red wave. I mean if they can't accomplish that under current economic conditions, when can they? Instead it seems to have ended up more of a red faucet drip.
I - for the life of me - can't figure out why we place the future of our country into the hands of so many octogenarians and late-septuagenarians.
yea your IQ definitely higher than mine. i had to google both words cause i never heard them before lololol
I don't know about all that, bro. I think I was 135 last I checked - like 15ish years ago - but all the big words and BS that I use still doesn't make up for my frequent airheadedness.
I'm rather stunned. With inflation at its highest in 40 years I expected the GOP to create more of a red tsunami than a red wave. I mean if they can't accomplish that under current economic conditions, when can they? Instead it seems to have ended up more of a red faucet drip.
Shows some independent thinking folks can see through the BS they been spoon feed the last 6 years.
The party that talks inflation… lol …the party that was in the Oval when inflation started to grow out of control and did nothing. The party for a balanced budget and never balanced a federal budget. The party for small Government and less spending that actually grew the Government and spent more. The party of law and order is soft on prosecuting the law when it comes to their own party. The Party of “Party over country”
Yep folks are starting to see thru the BS and the Democrats got the word out better then they thought they did.
I'm rather stunned. With inflation at its highest in 40 years I expected the GOP to create more of a red tsunami than a red wave. I mean if they can't accomplish that under current economic conditions, when can they? Instead it seems to have ended up more of a red faucet drip.
I am too. Hopefully this pushes the center-to-moderate Republicans to rethink who they want to have be the figurehead of their party...
I - for the life of me - can't figure out why we place the future of our country into the hands of so many octogenarians and late-septuagenarians.
yea your IQ definitely higher than mine. i had to google both words cause i never heard them before lololol
I don't know about all that, bro. I think I was 135 last I checked - like 15ish years ago - but all the big words and BS that I use still doesn't make up for my frequent airheadedness.
lmfao uhh yea, mine is 114. beyond basic hahaha
Numbers are just that. I wish I had your penchant and initiative for running side businesses and investments.
Hopefully this pushes the center-to-moderate Republicans to rethink who they want to have be the figurehead of their party...
In theory I would hope so too. But thus far they seem to think the more inflammatory and divisive a GOP candidate is, the more they represent what they "feel and believe". Moderate Republicans have been punished heavily for saying or doing anything that goes against the grain. I too would like to see some sanity restored.
just looking at the current results, looks like the GOP might want to be a lot less militant on illegal immigration. latino's are coming into the country...and voting Red. those latino numbers in florida for the gop is crazy.
every time I have talked to Latino immigrants in FL (in the last year), they talk about how much they hate socialism/communism and that they want border protection/closed borders.
I - for the life of me - can't figure out why we place the future of our country into the hands of so many octogenarians and late-septuagenarians.
yea your IQ definitely higher than mine. i had to google both words cause i never heard them before lololol
I don't know about all that, bro. I think I was 135 last I checked - like 15ish years ago - but all the big words and BS that I use still doesn't make up for my frequent airheadedness.
lmfao uhh yea, mine is 114. beyond basic hahaha
Numbers are just that. I wish I had your penchant and initiative for running side businesses and investments.
and i wish i had your ability to understand contracts and global logistics and supply chains. but thats why social media like this board exist, bringing us together!
just looking at the current results, looks like the GOP might want to be a lot less militant on illegal immigration. latino's are coming into the country...and voting Red. those latino numbers in florida for the gop is crazy.
every time I have talked to Latino immigrants in FL (in the last year), they talk about how much they hate socialism/communism and that they want border protection/closed borders.
think there's enough pull for the GOP to swap it up a bit, strategy wise?
I really hope that Trump doesn't run. He triggers way too many people in negative ways and I can't stand him.
I could live with DeSantis if he throws his hat in the ring. He has done a lot of really good things for Florida - tons of people love him and he has a lot of support.
Personally, I am still hoping for an independent or middle-ground Dem/GOP that can generate enough interest from both sides.
I'd love to see:
my body my choice my money my choice small federal government love is love term & age limits racism/sexism is stupid immigrants need to enter our country legally smoke all the weed you want own as many guns as you want flat taxes with no deductions
I agree with all that. Problem is, besides owning as many guns as you want, you’ll never see any of that with a Republican in the Oval, never ever, even a middle ground Republican. And we shouldn’t have to worry about trump or Desantis. They should both be in jail by 2024.
look at us agreeing on stuff
Although, i'm not sure what Desantis did to go to jail?
Well somebody started this whole "lock her up" thing and it has spread like wildfire. Now everybody thinks their political opponents should be locked up.
just looking at the current results, looks like the GOP might want to be a lot less militant on illegal immigration. latino's are coming into the country...and voting Red. those latino numbers in florida for the gop is crazy.
every time I have talked to Latino immigrants in FL (in the last year), they talk about how much they hate socialism/communism and that they want border protection/closed borders.
think there's enough pull for the GOP to swap it up a bit, strategy wise?
I think there is enough I really think the DEM/GOP could carve out a middle group and let both parties go as extreme as they want while the rest of us vote like normal-ish Americans.
just looking at the current results, looks like the GOP might want to be a lot less militant on illegal immigration. latino's are coming into the country...and voting Red. those latino numbers in florida for the gop is crazy.
every time I have talked to Latino immigrants in FL (in the last year), they talk about how much they hate socialism/communism and that they want border protection/closed borders.
The Latino community is diverse and needs to be considered as such. The Latinos in California, Arizona and that area tend to from Mexico and central/south American countries. They have a very different outlook than those in Florida that come from cuba and the surrounding areas.
The Latino community in Florida is well versed in Castro and how the socialist promises led to him coming to power. They fear that what the democrates are promising is a ruse to create a Castro like regime. So they tend to vote republican.
The Latino community is diverse and needs to be considered as such. The Latinos in California, Arizona and that area tend to from Mexico and central/south American countries. They have a very different outlook than those in Florida that come from cuba and the surrounding areas.
The Latino community in Florida is well versed in Castro and how the socialist promises led to him coming to power. They fear that what the democrates are promising is a ruse to create a Castro like regime. So they tend to vote republican.
Hopefully this pushes the center-to-moderate Republicans to rethink who they want to have be the figurehead of their party...
In theory I would hope so too. But thus far they seem to think the more inflammatory and divisive a GOP candidate is, the more they represent what they "feel and believe". Moderate Republicans have been punished heavily for saying or doing anything that goes against the grain. I too would like to see some sanity restored.
Do non-MAGA Republicans still exist? I thought they all got ran out of the party? And if they do still exist, wtf centrist!
Although, i'm not sure what Desantis did to go to jail?
He deliberately had people trick immigrants here legally to board a plane and being flown without their knowledge to Martha's Vinyard. They thought they were going to Boston for expedited work papers.
Migrants on Martha's Vineyard flight say they were told they were going to Boston
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The migrants said a woman they identified as "Perla" approached them outside the shelter and lured them into boarding the plane, saying they would be flown to Boston where they could get expedited work papers. She provided them with food. The migrants said Perla was still trying to recruit more passengers just hours before their flight.
The thing is that it's a rip off of a Paul Harvey program where he did what is called "So God Made A Farmer". Which I think is one of the greatest things Paul Harvey ever did. Of course I grew up in farm country and know just how hard those people worked and clawed through life. And you get to know their hearts...
I probably won't spend much time in here. I have somewhat outgrown my need for political nonsense ..... but I guess I like a dose every few years.
My evasluation of the 2 candidates:
Tim Ryan had 20 years in Congress, and I can count his meaningful accomplishments on one hand and have fingers left over. He is a guy who has donme nothing but go to college, and then run for Congress. He fulfilled what the party masters had for him, though, that being a young guy who would be a reliable D vote, and who would be around for 20 years.
I pass on that. I have some friends who like him, and some who don't. I could not vote for him. I think that him being out of Congress is a plus for the area and the nation.
I don't reallyy like Vance either. That said, he is new, and the old did not work. Hopefully he'll be effective, but if all he is is a reverse Ryan, an unthinking Republican vote ..... well, after 20 years of Ryan, I can probably take that.
As far as policies, I agree with Vance on energy. Yes, we can invest in electric cars and such, but our power grid is at least decades, and probably more, away from being able to support 50% electric cars. We also have to generate electricity, and the best way in Ohio is either nuclear or Natural gas. Ignoring our energy reserves is foolish, and short sighted, and it will hurt this country. (just as high gas prices are right now)
I also am a financial conservative. He is talking that talk. Let's see if he walks that walk. Ryan never would, obviously, so maybe Vance will be better there.
I am also a strong advocate for a strong border. Yes, we can invite others in, but it should be on our schedule, not theirs.
I also agree with him on abortion. I think that this is one of the most vile things ever invented. (and it's been around since the Roman Empire, in Christ's time, if not earlier) We should be to the point where we value the unborn, and don't just exterminate them in the name of convenience. Don't want to get pregnant ..... use birth control, or don't have sex. It's really pretty simple. I do struggle with rape and incest exception ....... but do 2 wrongs make a right? If I had to, I suppose I could allow an exception in this area, or where the mother will die if the pregnancy goes full term ... but that's about it.
If Vance proves to not carry through with these positions, then I will vote against him in the next Senate primary.
You democrats got a way with it again. Congratulations!
Democrat Cheat Strategy: Gathering Ballots More Important Than Earning Votes
Big Picture, 2020 Midterm Elections Highlight the Distinct Difference Between Ballots and Votes November 9, 2022 | Sundance | 105 Comments
As the political discussion centers on the 2022 wins and losses from the midterm election, one thing that stands out in similarity to the 2020 general election is the difference between ballots (counted) and votes (cast). It appears in some states this is the ‘new normal.’
Where votes were the focus the Biden administration suffered losses. Where ballots were the focus the Biden administration won.
Perhaps the two states most reflective of ‘ballots’ being more important than ‘votes’ are Michigan and Pennsylvania. Despite negative polling and public opinion toward two specific candidates in those states, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and Pennsylvania Senate candidate John Fetterman achieved victories. The Democrat machines in both states focused on ballot collection more heavily than votes cast.
Since the advent of ballot centric focus through mail-in and collection drop-off processes, votes have become increasingly less valuable amid the organizers who wish to control election outcomes. As a direct and specific result, ballot collection has become the key to Democrat party success.
The effort to attain votes for candidates is less important than the strategy of collecting ballots.
It should be emphasized; these are two distinctly different voting systems.
The system of ballot distribution and collection is far more susceptible to control than the traditional system of votes cast at precincts.
A vote cannot be cast by a person who is no longer alive, or no longer lives in the area. However, a ballot can be sent, completed and returned regardless of the status of the initially attributed and/or registered individual.
While ballots and votes originate in two totally different processes, the end result of both “ballots” and “votes,” weighing on the presented election outcome, is identical.
While initially the ballot form of election control was tested in Deep Blue states, through the process of mail-in returns under the guise and justification of “expanding democracy,” a useful tool for those who are vested in the distinction, I think we are now starting to see what happens on a national level when the process is expanded.
The controversial 2020 election showed the result of making ‘ballots’ the strategy for electoral success. Under the justification of COVID-19 mitigation, mail-in ballots took center stage. Ballot harvesting by Democrat operations was one term for the outcome.
Democrat party officials and political activist groups knew how to exploit the opportunities within the new system of ballot distribution and collection, and when you combine that with a massive legal pressure campaign to accept any and all forms of ballots, well, you can see how they are dependent.
Now that ballot collection has been shown to be a much more effective way to maintain political power, Democrats in a general sense are less focused on winning votes and more focused on gathering ballots.
When ‘ballot organization’ becomes more important than ‘vote winning,’ you modify your electoral campaign approaches accordingly. It might sound simplistic, but inside the distinct difference between ballots and votes you will find why refusing debates is a successful strategy.
If you are trying to win votes you could never fathom campaign success by refusing to debate an opponent. However, if your focus is centered around ballot collection, the debate is essentially irrelevant.
It’s time for voters to start seeing the difference between elections decided by ballots and elections decided by votes. Perhaps the 2022 midterm election will awaken people to the two completely different election systems.
You can vote at any scale you want, but when ballots are more important than votes – the election will always favor the latter.
Michigan and Pennsylvania voters are likely very unhappy today, while Michigan and Pennsylvania ballot providers are smiling.
I gotta say, the fact that a guy who pulled out a fake police badge during a debate and came up with lines such as "Don't we have enough trees?" has a legitimate shot at becoming a United States Senator is about the perfect illustration of how bad our politics have gotten.
According to their own headliner on the site they're a "bunch of rag tag conservative misfits". You know like discussing Steve Bannon's election war room and crap.
Really and I mean REALLY. He says a woman should stay with her husband even if he is beating her? He says a woman should have her baby even if she is raped or that it might kill her? Yep I am sure God agrees with that. Vance is a horribile excuse for a human being.
Sorry about the snarky reply. I’ll try to do better.
Still the young vote is notoriously a no show. But after looking at the numbers it looks as if the young vote was a record turnout in 2020 and even more in 2022. Seems the republicans are having fewer voter turnout election after election. The big lie. The red fall. A hard pill to swallow for the majority of mainstream Republicans.
Hopefully this pushes the center-to-moderate Republicans to rethink who they want to have be the figurehead of their party...
In theory I would hope so too. But thus far they seem to think the more inflammatory and divisive a GOP candidate is, the more they represent what they "feel and believe". Moderate Republicans have been punished heavily for saying or doing anything that goes against the grain. I too would like to see some sanity restored.
Do non-MAGA Republicans still exist? I thought they all got ran out of the party? And if they do still exist, wtf centrist!
Originally Posted by Swish
Trump threatens to reveal things 'that won't be very flattering' about Ron DeSantis if he challenges him for the GOP nomination in 2024
I hear Trump is going to tell everyone that DeSantis uses Hunts instead of Heinz.
In all seriousness, though, gotta love it when our democracy consists of one guy trying to bully his way to the nomination by subjugating and blackmailing any would-be competitors.
He's definitely the current leading force in the Republican party.
Now, that being said, I get your angle if you're saying that Republicans aren't conservative, because they're not. Nothing about their debt explosion during the last administration, nor their big government stance on social and religious issues is conservative.
Boebert still losing, but only by 2,000. 95% reporting. hopefully Frisch hangs on, but no doubt there will be recounts.
Dems new district that they got to create was supposed to be an easy win for them. There guy is only winning by 1800 votes right now.
Dems have a super majority in Colorado. Tabor is the only thing keeping them from going full California with taxes.
Mushrooms looking to be decriminalized. Not called yet, but currently 40,000 vote lead.
Lastly, the head scratching moment of the election. In Colorado Springs there was ballot measure 300 and 301. 300 was to allow selling to recreational marijuana 301 was to tax sales of marijuana
301 looks like it will pass, 300 looks like it will not. Not sure what people plan to tax if they voted against selling it.
I hear Trump is going to tell everyone that DeSantis uses Hunts instead of Heinz.
In all seriousness, though, gotta love it when our democracy consists of one guy trying to bully his way to the nomination by subjugating and blackmailing any would-be competitors.
I'm not defending anyone here, ok?
Each and every political ad/flyer I have seen or gotten in the mail, is purely an attack ad/flyer.
bro, you have to realize that when you make a whatabout comment like that, it's an indirect defense of the person/topic we're specifically talking about.
put it like this. everybody on I-90 and route 2 drive like it's the daytona 500, doing atleast 15 over. sure, it's wrong, but it's also the flow of traffic at the time. however, one guy, the SAME guy, keeps going 40+ over, riding other people's asses and swerving in and out of traffic.
yes, both are technically wrong, but the guy driving reckless is clearly WORSE than everyone else because he's causing far more stress and increasing the likeliness of a car accident due to selfish driving behavior.
but when other drivers and passengers call that out specifically, you're basically going "but i mean, other people are speeding too."
bro, you have to realize that when you make a whatabout comment like that, it's an indirect defense of the person/topic we're specifically talking about.
put it like this. everybody on I-90 and route 2 drive like it's the daytona 500, doing atleast 15 over. sure, it's wrong, but it's also the flow of traffic at the time. however, one guy, the SAME guy, keeps going 40+ over, riding other people's asses and swerving in and out of traffic.
yes, both are technically wrong, but the guy driving reckless is clearly WORSE than everyone else because he's causing far more stress and increasing the likeliness of a car accident due to selfish driving behavior.
but when other drivers and passengers call that out specifically, you're basically going "but i mean, other people are speeding too."
come on bro.
Well, I disagree,but whatever.
I was simply trying to say there is no "this is what I want to do to help" advertising. It is all "my opponent is the devil' advertising.
Maricopa County in Arizona has yet 400,000 ballots to be counted, can you believe this? Oh yes, and its Katie Hobbs that happens to be overlooking the election...now how convenient is that? Even Florida with its large population had their votes counted by 7:30pm last night!
I see what you’re saying and I hate attack ads. The difference in what I’m saying though is that you have a candidate directly threatening another one to not run, and they’re in the same party. If he just began posturing and using attacks, that’s one thing, but now it’s more of a “you need to be loyal” thing, which is part of his MO, honestly.
I gotta say, the fact that a guy who pulled out a fake police badge during a debate and came up with lines such as "Don't we have enough trees?" has a legitimate shot at becoming a United States Senator is about the perfect illustration of how bad our politics have gotten.
Amen.... similar to PA electing a senator who is on record for saying 'The eagles are so much better than... the eagles'....
there truly have to be better options out there... too many races have two horrible choices...
I hope he doesn't run either, but he's pretty much tipped his hand at this point, although the midterms haven't exactly validated his hopes of smooth sailing.
They'd have no shot, but I'm actually hoping Kinzinger and/or Cheney run in the primaries. Either one of them, DeSantis and Trump all on stage would be some gripping prime time television, if nothing else.
I would also love to see an independent, but we as a whole still seem hellbent on a two-party system for whatever reason.
Not sure why you want a 3rd party unless you want to see changes where run-off elections are in place. I don't think it would be healthy to have a string of Presidents who might not have 51% of the vote.
I don't have any concrete evidence, but I also think Dems are less likely to stray from the Dem ticket so a independent would be more likely to pull votes from the republican candidate. I am not saying that is a good or bad thing...it could be seen as both. It could be viewed and brand loyality or not thinking.
That could turn if a socialist ran and pulled 30% of the Dem vote.
That could turn if a socialist ran and pulled 30% of the Dem vote.
As opposed to the communists on the ticket now?
I have not caught up on much of the news or election results yet - have seen/heard "the big Red Wave" doesn't seem to have been as big as advertised? Hoping all my many votes helped.
lmao im so confused. you'd think the massive gains the GOP made in florida and ohio, as well as some surprises in NY would have them celebrating, and yet they acting like The Rapture just happened and they all got left behind hahahahahahahha
We've gone back and forth a few times now about the desired number of political parties, but the bottom line is that the two-party setup we have here narrowing the choices to candidates like jaybird and I discussed is at the height of our political problems.
Just thinking...one thing that could be interesting to see, if the Republicans take back the majority of the Senate and the House is the dynamic between McCarthy and McConnell. If McCarthy takes Speaker and McConnell does not take Majority leader, then it won't be as big of a deal. However, with McCarthy being more of the Trump faction and McConnell being more of the garden variety faction, the two could butt heads, if both are the majority.
Have we ever had it before where both houses are controlled by one party, yet the party of one house caucuses against a bill passed by the other (does that make sense)?
As much as people either hate to admit it or refuse to admit it independent voters always decide elections. The percentage of voters who identify being associated by a political party hovers around 75%. That's the very high end estimate I've seen reported. The low end estimate I've seen is that as of 2020 is that 41% identify themselves as independent.
Maybe we're sort of saying the same thing but I don't actually limit it to being between these two individuals. I see it as wondering if we will see strfie between what I call the Trumpian wing of the party and traditional wing of the party. At least what's left of them.
Yeah, I agree. I think that the two of them would be the respective "mouths." I'm wondering about McCarthy, though, too. The guy is clearly an ultimate opportunist given his about-face after Jan 6th. He just wanted the Speaker job. Now that it looks like he'll get it, and there's blood in the water surrounding Trump, I do wonder if he does a bit of an about-face, but it's all speculation on my part and way too early to tell.
I think Republicans in general have been accepted for doing "about faces" in general by their voters. From Kari Lake to Hershall Walker they all have seemingly reinvented themselves to suit what their voters want. I certainly agree with you about McConnell however. And when it comes to his comments right after the Jan.6th attack on the Capital verses now., Lindsey Graham is right there with him.
Which brings up an interesting point. Shouldn't there be some floor as to minimum requirements to serve in the U.S Senate? I know that the current law in the state of Georgia is to have a run off election if a candidate doesn't win with at least a 50% margin. But I do have an idea. I suggest they give the two candidates an equivalency high school exam. G.E.D. exam.
Any candidate who can not pass a basic high school equivalency exam would be exempt from serving and would nullify the run off election due to a total lack of qualifications to serve in the senate.
They should swear that the past elections have been fair and honest and guided by the laws and recognize the voice of the people and their properly elected officials.
Walker could not pass an 8th grade equivalency test.
Hell they should make voters pass a high school equivalency test. Even then I am not sure that would help.
I use to give our public schools more credit than I do now. When I hear these people attending trump rallies. I am like what planet are these people tuned into. The things they say are so off the wall that it stuns you.
Politics, politicians, and the shows that cover them. It is so frustrating.
One would think that issues like clean air and water would not be partisan. That everybody would want clean air and water. That we would all feel the responsibility to leave the planet a better place than when we arrived.
But Nooooo. Dumping toxic stuff in our water is somehow political.
Walker pays for an abortion. Then runs on a platform of pro life no exceptions. And who backs him? porn star trump.
TBH, I think half of America would struggle to pass the 8th-grade equivalency test. America has become dumb as dirt. And I will never understand the desire to remain uneducated or under-educated in this country, but half the country seems to embrace it across the board.
Like here is a US map without the state names and ask you to name the state? Or, world maps that will show the outline of a country and give you four multiple choice answers?
I would bet serious money trump would fail miserable.
If America wants to ensure that we have officials who are elected by a [base-level]informed constituency: -She should require that all Her voters pass the test required of every immigrant who seeks citizenship in this country.
If it's a minimum requirement for outsiders wanting to get in, it should be an absolute minimum requirement of those born from within. Fair is only fair.
If American citizenship is a privilege, it should be an earnedprivilege. And if it isn't earned by absolutely every single citizen, it's not an actual meritocracy. Which means citizenship is still a privilege unfairly entitled to some, at the expense of others.
Pass the Real American Citizenship Test... or step TF back, b#- you haven't earned the right to have your voice heard.
If America wants to ensure that we have officials who are elected by a [base-level]informed constituency: -She should require that all Her voters pass the test required of every immigrant who seeks citizenship in this country.
If it's a minimum requirement for outsiders wanting to get in, it should be an absolute minimum requirement of those born from within. Fair is only fair.
If American citizenship is a privilege, it should be an earnedprivilege. And if it isn't earned by absolutely every single citizen, it's not an actual meritocracy. Which means citizenship is still a privilege unfairly entitled to some, at the expense of others.
Pass the Real American Citizenship Test... or step TF back, b#- you haven't earned the right to have your voice heard.
just sayin'...
This would eliminate half of all voters, mostly republicans.
If America wants to ensure that we have officials who are elected by a [base-level]informed constituency: -She should require that all Her voters pass the test required of every immigrant who seeks citizenship in this country.
If it's a minimum requirement for outsiders wanting to get in, it should be an absolute minimum requirement of those born from within. Fair is only fair.
If American citizenship is a privilege, it should be an earnedprivilege. And if it isn't earned by absolutely every single citizen, it's not an actual meritocracy. Which means citizenship is still a privilege unfairly entitled to some, at the expense of others.
Pass the Real American Citizenship Test... or step TF back, b#- you haven't earned the right to have your voice heard.
just sayin'...
This would eliminate half of all voters, mostly republicans.
Libtards have tantrums about needing an ID to vote, and you think they will take a test? HA
That could turn if a socialist ran and pulled 30% of the Dem vote.
As opposed to the communists on the ticket now?
I have not caught up on much of the news or election results yet - have seen/heard "the big Red Wave" doesn't seem to have been as big as advertised? Hoping all my many votes helped.
And here we go again as if we didn't see it coming...
Doug Mastriano refuses to concede in Pa. amid new baseless allegations from Trump
He's shared tributes to fellow veterans and retweets from kind supporters. There's even a selfie post of him riding a horse and cryptically captioned "Saddle up."
Still, Republican Doug Mastriano has made no time for a formal concession of his gubernatorial race to Democrat Josh Shapiro, and has instead taking to social media to trash his opponent.
"Your campaign’s malicious attack on this 30 year veteran speaks volumes," he wrote under a Shapiro tribute to veterans on the social media account Twitter. Separately, he added: "You never served a day and your disdain for this veteran’s service means we can’t trust you to have any vets back."
Mastriano's comments came within hours of new evidence-free fraud allegations from his ally and former U.S. President Donald Trump.
"You know the sticker in Pennsylvania that says, ‘I voted’? Some people are wearing them saying, ‘I thought I voted.’ Pennsylvania is a very corrupt State with voting, but nobody ever wants to check that," Trump said in an email blast from his political action committee, Save America PAC.
He went on to insult future Democrat John Fetterman, who recently defeated Trump's endorsed candidate Dr. Mehmet Oz for an open U.S. Senate seat.
"How does Oz (smart guy!) lose to a guy who can’t string together two sentences? They don’t want to check, because they don’t want to make me right. It happened to me in 2020, I lost one million votes with possibly one of the biggest drops in History, happening in the middle of the night."
Trump's lawsuits alleging fraud in Pennsylvania and beyond in the election two years ago have been overwhelmingly rejected in court for lack of evidence.
Both of the former president's endorsed Republicans for statewide races were handed fairly convincing defeats in the midterms this week. Oz is losing to Fetterman by 209,348 votes with approximately 97% of all ballots counted. He already called Fetterman to concede days ago.
Mastriano, meanwhile, remains mum despite losing by an even greater number.
As of Friday morning Shapiro had a 14-point advantage. Mastriano trails by 731,654 votes with 97% of ballots already tallied.
That race was called by major media outlets in Shapiro's favor by 10:30 p.m. Election Day.
A spokesperson for Shapiro confirmed that Mastriano not conceded, even privately. Mastriano's campaign has not responded to a request for comment.
Kremlin Cronies Sent Reeling on Live TV Over U.S. Midterm Elections
The midterm elections in the United States were a hot topic in Moscow. Convinced that the “red wave” was coming, Russian propagandists rushed to take credit for the anticipated landslide victory that would ensure Republican majority in Congress and Senate.
On Tuesday, Russia’s Tucker Carlson, top propagandist Vladimir Solovyov, greeted his audience by wishing them a “Happy Interference in the U.S. Election Day.” Yevgeny Prigozhin, known as “Putin's chef,” who was indicted as part of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian election interference, likewise decided to publicly fess up to the allegations he previously denied.
This plan to discredit the U.S. elections and convince the Republicans that the mighty Kremlin hand covertly helped push them to victory had backfired. On Wednesday, state TV propagandists were scratching their heads about the wave that turned out to be but a trickle. During the broadcast of 60 Minutes, host Olga Skabeeva asked an expert: “How are our guys in America?” Political scientist Vladimir Kornilov clarified with a chuckle: “Our Republicans.”
Dmitry Abzalov, Director of the Center for Strategic Communications, noted that the outcome was much different than the predictions: “Even the Democrats predicted the red wave that will mow everything down, but it turned out to be quite modest.” Political scientist Vladimir Kornilov said, “The worst fears of the Democrats are now behind them. They easily won the states they were most concerned about.”
Co-host of 60 Minutes Evgeny Popov surmised: “Republican triumph or the tsunami did not materialize... Trump is already calling on Americans to protest ballot stuffing and not allowing his opponents to disrupt the elections.”
Russian state TV coverage focused on baseless allegations of various issues supposedly plaguing U.S. elections, featuring the footage of Kari Lake, candidate for governor of Arizona, and former U.S. President Donald J. Trump, complaining that the polling stations were “running out of paper” and experiencing various mishaps.
Skabeeva exclaimed: “Come out [in the streets], Americans! You are being lied to!” Abzalov pointed out that at least January should be “fun,” predicting that Republicans would attempt to impeach U.S. President Joe Biden. Skabeeva complained: “They will impeach but won’t be able to overthrow him. We’ve seen how it went down with our friend, our comrade Donald—and it happened more than once.”
Skabeeva went on: “We keep worrying about our guys, their results should have been better than this... Apparently, there will be no landslide victory for Republicans in Congress... Still, Donald Trump is planning to celebrate—it isn’t exactly clear what is there to celebrate.”
During the broadcast of a state TV show Who’s Against?, host Dmitry Kulikov noted: “The triumph of the Republicans didn’t happen... After these results, can Trump remain the leader of his party? That is in question... [Ron] DeSantis is rising, Trump will obviously challenge him. The main battles will be taking place within the Republican camp.”
Political editor Maxim Yusin concurred: “Republicans performed much worse than everyone had predicted yesterday... This is because of the Trump factor, this is clearly his fault. He butted into this electoral campaign too overtly and with his odious nature, pushed away those who were on the fence. Against this backdrop, the star of DeSantis is rising. He is only 44 years old. As we see by his surname, he is of a Latino-American descent—and there are more and more of Latino voters. Latinos voted for him in Florida.”
Yusin noted that DeSantis is similar to Trump in his conservative agenda and as a bonus, he does not possess any of Trump’s “weirdness” that “scares people away.” He said that the Democrats secretly want Trump to run for president and speculated that they will pause any legal pursuits to encourage the run of their favored “sparring partner.”
The guest predicted that if DeSantis is nominated, Republicans will win the presidential elections and get the majority. Kulikov agreed that Trump’s involvement made the battles easier for his opponents: “The Democrats are holding on because of their hysteria about losing democracy to the fascism on the other side. It played a big part. Trump allowed them to lean on that, basing their approach on him as a fascist specimen. The campaign of the Democrats, rooted in saving democracy from this monstrosity, turned out to be very productive.”
In addition to Russia’s mounting disappointments in the electoral battles of the United States, their invasion of Ukraine keeps going from bad to worse. During Tuesday’s broadcast of 60 Minutes, host Olga Skabeeva said, “Things are difficult. Nonetheless, we have to win on our own—it’s official. Republicans can hardly help us to retain the Kherson region or the city of Kherson.” On Wednesday, Russian troops retreated from the area.
Host Vladimir Solovyov started Wednesday’s broadcast of The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov by grimly noting: “We’ve been planning an entirely different program tonight. We were going to talk about American elections, but then we got the news from Kherson.”
Nonetheless, in the minds of the Kremlin’s propagandists, it’s all connected. Solovyov speculated that if the withdrawal was announced just one day earlier, it might have helped Biden and the Democrats: “[The withdrawal] was announced after Nov. 8, on Nov. 9, so it wouldn’t influence the U.S. elections.”
You know, we keep hearing that it's the dems who are the communists. Yet when we actually hear from the Russian media, it's the Republicans they want in power here in the U.S. Things that make you go hmmmm for $500.
again, this IS conservative americans leader. voted for him in 2016, voted in record numbers for him in 2020, and wanted all his MAGA candidates to win.
but lemme guess, this isn't racist. he's just joking, right?
Senate seats are at 49-49 with the GA runoff and Nevada left.
the republican has about an 800 vote lead and still about 15,000 provisional ballots and 39,000 mail in ballots left in Nevada's two biggest counties. The republican camp is pretty much already anticipating a loss and moving on to a recount. The mail in ballots that came in and were counted the last two days were like 65%-35% in favor of the dems.
Senate seats are at 49-49 with the GA runoff and Nevada left.
the republican has about an 800 vote lead and still about 15,000 provisional ballots and 39,000 mail in ballots left in Nevada's two biggest counties. The republican camp is pretty much already anticipating a loss and moving on to a recount. The mail in ballots that came in and were counted the last two days were like 65%-35% in favor of the dems.
Which just goes to prove - if you can steal an election once, you can steal a different election too ! They should stop counting when the Republicans are ahead.
A Maryland Republican who lost his race by 300K votes says he won't concede
The GOP's nominee for Maryland's attorney general has refused to concede, despite trailing his opponent by more than 300,000 votes.
Hard-right candidate Michael Peroutka lost his race to Democrat Anthony Brown late on Tuesday, per the Associated Press. As of Friday, Maryland reported 100% of the votes counted, showing Brown with 60.71% of the vote.
Both Brown — and Democrat Wes Moore — made history as the state's first Black attorney general and governor, respectively.
Following his loss, Perouta emailed supporters saying he will not concede, suggesting that electoral fraud had taken place, according to The Washington Post. A version of that statement was also posted to a Facebook page attributed to his campaign.
"During yesterday's voting, many odd and suspicious incidents were reported by poll watchers, and more reports are being gathered today," it read.
It added that Perouta plans to "investigate these strange occurrences and I do not plan to concede the race."
In a later post on the same Facebook page, a post called for voters who cast their ballot at a Howard County middle school to contact Peroutka, saying he is looking to "speak with any election workers from that site, not just poll watchers, but any officials, judges, or chief judges."
Peroutka didn't provide evidence for his assertions, and did not immediately respond to Insider's request for further comment, which was sent outside of working hours.
Meanwhile, Maryland State Board of Elections (SEB) said Marylanders can be "confident" in the result, per a statement seen by the Post.
The board "works with the local boards of elections to determine whether referral of reported activities to the Office of the State Prosecutor is warranted," the statement read.
"At this time, SBE is not aware of any such incidents. Marylanders can be confident in the integrity of the state's election processes and that any potentially inappropriate activity will be thoroughly investigated."
Maryland Republican Party Chairman Dirk Haire told the paper that he had seen no unusual election activity.
Peroutka is a former Anne Arundel County Council member and former debt-collection attorney. He was a board member of League of the South between 2012 and 2014, according to Vice. The group is now designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Peroutka has disavowed racist statements by the group's leader, but not the group itself, Vice reported.
In the Maryland attorney general race he campaigned on issues of gun rights, protection of the elderly and the "pre-born," border security, and opposing health mandates, per his website.
He also called for the prosecution of officials who "have exceeded their lawful authority" and promised to "investigate discrepancies and anomalies in recent elections in Maryland."
In October, Peroutka commented on the 2020 presidential election, saying that the media was wrong to call election denialism "The Big Lie."
"Their claim that there is no evidence of fraud or corruption is itself nothing more than a blithe assertion — without evidence or support — and actually impossible to prove," he wrote.
There have been a wealth of independent fact checks, lawsuits, and election investigations, none of which have succeeded in uncovering evidence of widespread election fraud in the 2020 election.
Any candidate who can not pass a basic high school equivalency exam would be exempt from serving and would nullify the run off election due to a total lack of qualifications to serve in the senate.
100% on board with this! For all political offices... though this would also disqualify Biden in his current state and Fetterman...
Any candidate who can not pass a basic high school equivalency exam would be exempt from serving and would nullify the run off election due to a total lack of qualifications to serve in the senate.
100% on board with this! For all political offices... though this would also disqualify Biden in his current state and Fetterman...
Just because somoene doesn't speak well doesn't mean they're stupid.
Any candidate who can not pass a basic high school equivalency exam would be exempt from serving and would nullify the run off election due to a total lack of qualifications to serve in the senate.
100% on board with this! For all political offices... though this would also disqualify Biden in his current state and Fetterman...
Just because somoene doesn't speak well doesn't mean they're stupid.
He might have been fine before his stroke... but I'd bet my house neither Fetterman or Biden could pass a GED test right now... Biden has Alzheimer's and Fetterman has some major cognitive issues from his stroke... it's not a speech impediment...
Any candidate who can not pass a basic high school equivalency exam would be exempt from serving and would nullify the run off election due to a total lack of qualifications to serve in the senate.
100% on board with this! For all political offices... though this would also disqualify Biden in his current state and Fetterman...
Just because somoene doesn't speak well doesn't mean they're stupid.
He might have been fine before his stroke... but I'd bet my house neither Fetterman or Biden could pass a GED test right now... Biden has Alzheimer's and Fetterman has some major cognitive issues from his stroke... it's not a speech impediment...
Only a doctor can possibly have an opinion on such things.
Any candidate who can not pass a basic high school equivalency exam would be exempt from serving and would nullify the run off election due to a total lack of qualifications to serve in the senate.
100% on board with this! For all political offices... though this would also disqualify Biden in his current state and Fetterman...
Just because somoene doesn't speak well doesn't mean they're stupid.
He might have been fine before his stroke... but I'd bet my house neither Fetterman or Biden could pass a GED test right now... Biden has Alzheimer's and Fetterman has some major cognitive issues from his stroke... it's not a speech impediment...
Only a doctor can possibly have an opinion on such things.
Any candidate who can not pass a basic high school equivalency exam would be exempt from serving and would nullify the run off election due to a total lack of qualifications to serve in the senate.
100% on board with this! For all political offices... though this would also disqualify Biden in his current state and Fetterman...
Just because somoene doesn't speak well doesn't mean they're stupid.
He might have been fine before his stroke... but I'd bet my house neither Fetterman or Biden could pass a GED test right now... Biden has Alzheimer's and Fetterman has some major cognitive issues from his stroke... it's not a speech impediment...
Only a doctor can possibly have an opinion on such things.
bro....it is really getting to me in a negative way that our state put that clown into office.
I sounded the alarm, Swish. Way back when, I was the "Coalimine's canary."
And just recently, I dedicated an entire PP thread about how Ohio's voter lines are drawn. I even embedded links to a (nationally-recognized) radio program/podcast that told the entire story about Ohio's 'redward shift' since the 44 admin.
Ohio's vote tallies look as they do because of how our voting districts are drawn/gerrymandered. Most Ohio citizens don't realize that they just voted in an election based upon a voting map that was found unconstitutional by its very own State Supreme Court.
Dawgs: click ^this^ link to get your Ohio learn on.
And then, go to my thread about "drawing lines"...and enter the discussion a subject like this deserves. Take the 45 minutes to actually listen to this accounting of what our elected representatives have done. The entire report/op-ed is based upon public record.
THIS S# ACTUALLY HAPPENED ON OUR WATCH! ...and it's influencing election results in Ohio in every election cycle, to this day.
*spoiler: Ohio's GOP failed/foiled to draw acceptable new map lines FIVE TIMES before The Supremes. The elected reps who were under the gun to re-draw proper maps simply tossed up bulls#... and ran out the clock. As a result, Ohio has been casting votes in an electoral system that has been ruled unconstitutional by its own Supreme Court.
I vote in Ohio's 419. The 9th. The voting map of my district shifted from 80 miles east of Toledo (toward CLE), to 80 miles westward toward the IN state line (rural red counties). Marcy Kaptur was re-elected to her seat in the 9th because she works here, listens here, and represents here. Her opponent was a Jan 9 insurrectionist participant with zero bona fides regarding anything politics... and the vote count was closer than any reasonably cognizant person could/should predict: 56.5& to 43.5%.
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Swish: The J.D. Vance win didn't surprise me. Not at all. In fact, I expected it... even though I held out about 15-20% of hope. I've watched My State turn from a perennial swing state/purple af to solidly red over the past decade because of map drawing... and nothing else.[/B] (I'm 'bout to give up on all you DT mfz, when it comes to 'political talk-... )
10 years ago, I linked this same show in a thread I authored about Operation Red Map. It received the same paltry level of traffic that Clem's most recent thread starter did.
I tried to start this conversation a week back. I tried to start this conversation a decade ago.
Maybe you'll start tryna hear me now. -or not.
Swish: The People of Our State haven't really changed... but the maps that represent Us most certainly have.
Democrats likely had to win this race to have an outside shot at retaining control of the House. New redistricting in AZ-01 favored republicans in this race. Likely a competitive seat for years to come.
I appreciate your post, Clem. However, in JD’s case, we’re talking about a statewide election. I’m probably more right than Swish on many political issues, but on this particular candidate, my disgust levels equate with his. Since he’s a statewide voted senator, I’m more concerned with where we have gone as a whole.
When it comes to the gerrymandering, that’s a huge problem. Perhaps our biggest problem as a nation when it comes to politics to the point where I think the constitution needs to be amended. Hell, the fact that Jim Jordan exists and his seahorse of a district keeps him in office makes me want to hurl.
Every time I see his name in the news, followed by a “R, Ohio” I just want to add another line that says “He’s not my fault, I swear!”
In Ohio, the Ohio Supreme Court (majority GOP Ohio SC) rejected the GOP gerrymandered maps on three separate decisions and we were still stuck with them. With the republicans winning all three Ohio Supreme Court races on the ballot, I'd say it's likely the absurdly gerrymandered districts are here to stay.
It is a slap in the face to Ohio voters who overwhelmingly voted for the fair redistricting.
It's actually a testament to Sykes, Kaptur (especially her) and Landsman that they were able to win.
No surprise that Vance won, but he grossly under performed when looking at the margin in which DeWine won.
Ohio voters strongly supported democrats in the Ohio School Board seats and ousted DeWine appointees and those that were considered "RW extremists."
Yet you had the opportunity to point that out for days and you never did. Now you try and make that BS up?
I'm keeping up just fine.
You've had ample chance to point out your expertise, but you don't. I don't need to justify my experience to you, I don't run around telling people they aren't allowed an opinion because they aren't formally trained.
Care you drop your resume here now or are you going to deflect and spin?
Trying to flip the coin. Can't you come up with anything original? I wasn't the one who claimed I knew how every guns right case would be decided from this point forward. That would be you. Maybe I should consult you on any future surgeries I may need as well.
Trying to flip the coin. Can't you come up with anything original? I wasn't the one who claimed I knew how every guns right case would be decided from this point forward. That would be you. Maybe I should consult you on any future surgeries I may need as well.
And yet this discussion was about medical knowledge.
Maybe you should list your resume so we know what you are allowed to have an opinion on. No? Typical.
Opinions are completely different than predictions or a diagnosis. Try to keep up.
Since i am neither an attorney or psychic educated opinion is what I write. I never claimed otherwise, but at least my opinions are based on reading and understanding how things work and not simply using "nu-uh" like the nonsense you seem to favor.
Where's that resume of yours? Or are you going to deflect again?
To be butthurt would require me to take you seriously. That's never going to happen. I've wiped the floor with too many of your kind before. It's exactly the same way you were predicting future legal cases. Only this time it involved a medical diagnosis by someone who was not qualified to do so. Try to keep up.
To be butthurt would require me to take you seriously. That's never going to happen. I've wiped the floor with too many of your kind before. It's exactly the same way you were predicting future legal cases. Only this time it involved a medical diagnosis by someone who was not qualified to do so. Try to keep up.
You really do suffer from delusions of grandeur.
Can we have your resume now? What are your areas of expertise or do you want to continue to bloviate about topics from other threads?
Yet you had the opportunity to point that out for days and you never did. Now you try and make that BS up?
I'm keeping up just fine.
You've had ample chance to point out your expertise, but you don't. I don't need to justify my experience to you, I don't run around telling people they aren't allowed an opinion because they aren't formally trained.
Care you drop your resume here now or are you going to deflect and spin?
Yet you had the opportunity to point that out for days and you never did. Now you try and make that BS up?
I'm keeping up just fine.
You've had ample chance to point out your expertise, but you don't. I don't need to justify my experience to you, I don't run around telling people they aren't allowed an opinion because they aren't formally trained.
Care you drop your resume here now or are you going to deflect and spin?
He poured cement for a living. I'm not kidding.
Nobody pours cement. Not even for a living. I’m not kidding.
Yet you had the opportunity to point that out for days and you never did. Now you try and make that BS up?
I'm keeping up just fine.
You've had ample chance to point out your expertise, but you don't. I don't need to justify my experience to you, I don't run around telling people they aren't allowed an opinion because they aren't formally trained.
Care you drop your resume here now or are you going to deflect and spin?
He poured cement for a living. I'm not kidding.
It's an honest job, but I suppose he should only have opinions on cement and cement accessories.
Yet you had the opportunity to point that out for days and you never did. Now you try and make that BS up?
I'm keeping up just fine.
You've had ample chance to point out your expertise, but you don't. I don't need to justify my experience to you, I don't run around telling people they aren't allowed an opinion because they aren't formally trained.
Care you drop your resume here now or are you going to deflect and spin?
He poured cement for a living. I'm not kidding.
It's an honest job, but I suppose he should only have opinions on cement and cement accessories.
Yet you had the opportunity to point that out for days and you never did. Now you try and make that BS up?
I'm keeping up just fine.
You've had ample chance to point out your expertise, but you don't. I don't need to justify my experience to you, I don't run around telling people they aren't allowed an opinion because they aren't formally trained.
Care you drop your resume here now or are you going to deflect and spin?
He poured cement for a living. I'm not kidding.
It's an honest job, but I suppose he should only have opinions on cement and cement accessories.
What's wrong with that? I poured plenty of concrete but that didn't keep me from learning about other things.
Thank you... was cringing seeing the posts about pouring cement:
You pour concrete - and there are concrete accessories. Cement is an ingredient of concrete that binds the aggregates together. Concrete accessories would be things like rebar, anchors, forms, ties, finishing tools, expansion and crack control joint materials - the list is very long.
[quote=OldColdDawg]What's wrong with that? I poured plenty of concrete but that didn't keep me from learning about other things.
Thank you... was cringing seeing the posts about pouring cement:
You pour concrete - and there are concrete accessories. Cement is an ingredient of concrete that binds the aggregates together. Concrete accessories would be things like rebar, anchors, forms, ties, finishing tools, expansion and crack control joint materials - the list is very long.[
I would prefer a beer with a concrete worker over a politician every day of the week.
Most people, especially people who not in the profession, use concrete and cement interchangeably. Sometimes people like to be pedantic to prove a point, or score a point.
The politicians are still screwing us over and getting fat off the public good, but as long we are at each other's throats they will be fine.
and you're right, I can't diagnosis medical conditions, but spending 15 years in a hospital, I think it's pretty apparent Biden and Fetterman have some major cognitive questions...
To be butthurt would require me to take you seriously. That's never going to happen. I've wiped the floor with too many of your kind before. It's exactly the same way you were predicting future legal cases. Only this time it involved a medical diagnosis by someone who was not qualified to do so. Try to keep up.
You really do suffer from delusions of grandeur.
Can we have your resume now? What are your areas of expertise or do you want to continue to bloviate about topics from other threads?
You do realize I've asked you this several times without any answer. And I'm not the one claiming to have all of the answers. I'm not diagnosing mental illnesses or predicting the outcome of future legal cases. If I were to do that I would certainly provide you with my qualifications.
I find it hard to believe that 40% think it was stolen. I could believe that 40% think there was some fraud in the process. This is where I think seeing the poll (of only 1500 people) would be helpful.
Big difference in "Do you believe there was fraud in the 2020 election?" vs "Do you believe the election was fraudulently stolen?", IMHO
What's wrong with that? I poured plenty of concrete but that didn't keep me from learning about other things.
Thank you... was cringing seeing the posts about pouring cement:
You pour concrete - and there are concrete accessories. Cement is an ingredient of concrete that binds the aggregates together. Concrete accessories would be things like rebar, anchors, forms, ties, finishing tools, expansion and crack control joint materials - the list is very long.
Yep….Kinda ironic that the frank was asking for pit’s professional credentials here and frankly frank didn’t seem to know this simple factoid. Credibility lost.
Them getting thar vocabulary here……..
cement pond noun - an inground swimming pool. entymology: from the Beverly Hillbillies show on tv used the term to describe their swimming pool. Jethro: Hey Pa! I'm gonna take me a dip in the cement pond!
I know people who feel this way.... (stolen election) - my gut would be that between Trump Base and others who have been corrupted/programmed - the number who truly believe the election was actually stolen is somewhere between 15-20% or so. Still an alarmingly high number.
I find it hard to believe that 40% think it was stolen. I could believe that 40% think there was some fraud in the process. This is where I think seeing the poll (of only 1500 people) would be helpful.
Big difference in "Do you believe there was fraud in the 2020 election?" vs "Do you believe the election was fraudulently stolen?", IMHO
There is no evidence of either. With zero evidence 40% believe it. What kind of hold do these candidates have on their supporters, the election deniers with zero proof? Nada, nothing. They act like a religious cult. Whatever they are told they simply believe without question. I don’t get it. I also don’t believe 40% are simpletons. But damn!
To be butthurt would require me to take you seriously. That's never going to happen. I've wiped the floor with too many of your kind before. It's exactly the same way you were predicting future legal cases. Only this time it involved a medical diagnosis by someone who was not qualified to do so. Try to keep up.
You really do suffer from delusions of grandeur.
Can we have your resume now? What are your areas of expertise or do you want to continue to bloviate about topics from other threads?
You do realize I've asked you this several times without any answer. And I'm not the one claiming to have all of the answers. I'm not diagnosing mental illnesses or predicting the outcome of future legal cases. If I were to do that I would certainly provide you with my qualifications.
So you will continue to deflect.
You started there is nothing wrong with Biden other than agree. You seem to misunderstand how that works. You are, in fact, trying to diagnose him. Your assertion is he is just old. You cannot claim others need expertise you lack while claiming they are incorrect and you have the answer. It doesn't work that way anywhere but in your delusional fantasy world.
And you continue to conflate Biden'sn cognitive decline with the Bruen decision mandate of text,history and tradition.
You've stated people can't have an opinion without expertise. Put up. Quit defining hypocrisy.
No, you are wrong yet again. If you think you are right, find that quote. I said it could be either one and without proper testing and a professional diagnosis there's no way to know for sure.
No, you are wrong yet again. If you think you are right, find that quote. I said it could be either one and without proper testing and a professional diagnosis there's no way to know for sure.
Strike 472!
You can remember it how ever makes your little heart feel better. You claim I am diagnosing him, which is incorrect. You claim to not be, yet you have only argued the contra example. You try to have it both ways and, in the end, you again show all you care about is fighting. All you want is arguing.
You are wrong on so many levels we can't even keep count. But you keep at your infantile games, it really is all you have.
You can remember it how ever makes your little heart feel better. You claim I am diagnosing him, which is incorrect. You claim to not be, yet you have only argued the contra example. You try to have it both ways and, in the end, you again show all you care about is fighting. All you want is arguing.
You are wrong on so many levels we can't even keep count. But you keep at your infantile games, it really is all you have.
The game here is you lying about what it is I said. I made it plan that it could be old age or it could be dementia. That only through testing and diagnosis by a mental healthcare professional could that be determined. I see once again all you have id false allegations with no receipts. Typical.
I have neither diagnosed anyone or claimed to be a legal expert who can predict the outcome of future legal cases. Another swing and a miss by you. People who do such things are the only people that need to show they're qualified to do so.
You can remember it how ever makes your little heart feel better. You claim I am diagnosing him, which is incorrect. You claim to not be, yet you have only argued the contra example. You try to have it both ways and, in the end, you again show all you care about is fighting. All you want is arguing.
You are wrong on so many levels we can't even keep count. But you keep at your infantile games, it really is all you have.
The game here is you lying about what it is I said. I made it plan that it could be old age or it could be dementia. That only through testing and diagnosis by a mental healthcare professional could that be determined. I see once again all you have id false allegations with no receipts. Typical.
I have neither diagnosed anyone or claimed to be a legal expert who can predict the outcome of future legal cases. Another swing and a miss by you. People who do such things are the only people that need to show they're qualified to do so.
No you were quite clear that I was "wrong" because I could not "diagnose" his dementia and it was just old age.
But you believe your own lies. Continue to try and squirm and twist.
This seems quite odd coming from you. Let's recap shall we?
I helped build many houses early in my career. Homes that give comfort to many people. It helps them build wealth through equity and helps provide their families with stability.
After some years I changed to the commercial side of construction. I helped build schools that children are being educated in and children are playing sports in those gymnasiums. YMCA's which people from childhood and the elderly are currently using to stay in shape and make their lives healthier. Large commercial offices and stores in which jobs were created in. For the most part I was in a supervisor role after my first few years in the business. My work was of great benefit to not only American families, but to business as well.
And what is it you do again? Video games isn't it?
I own the gaming company. I make the decisions. I design the Games. I build them. Do the hiring. Do the marketing and advertising. Handle the finances. Manage the people who work for me.
And it's just not "games"
It's social interactive games. My games have large communities of tens of thousands of people. A large LGBT community where they build friendships with their peers. I have game members who have played my games since the beginning in 2009, and they have built many friendships. I have people emailing me thanking me for my games because it helped them through rough times. My company gives money to charity every single month. I could line my pocket with that money but I choose to give it away to help the less fortunate.
My point about you pouring cement is that you mock people because they "aren't qualified to make xyz statements." You're not qualified to do anything but pour cement. Well guess what, this is a message board and everyone is entitled to an OPINION. So if people want to say Biden has dementia, that's perfectly ok to have that opinion. You don't get to tell people what opinions are ok to have. Loser.
Making mental diagnoses and claiming to know the outcome of future court cases in not an opinion.
Once again, my profession helped many families and people. I was a supervisor for much of my career. My job requirements were far more than pouring concrete. But I know you have this superiority complex thing that you usually try to show by hurling insults just like trump does. Everybody knows your shtick by now.
If he didn't claim to be a doctor or lawyer than it's an opinion. OBVIOIUSLY. I'm not going to argue with you about it. So have a good day being wrong.
If he didn't claim to be a doctor or lawyer than it's an opinion. OBVIOIUSLY. I'm going to argue with you about it. So have a good day being wrong.
And there it is just as I predicted and right on cue. No when you make a diagnosis or predict the outcome of court cases as being factual it's not an opinion. You do comprehend the difference in stating a fact and stating an opinion, correct? It appears not. I'll try to give you a helpful example....
Opinion: I "believe, feel, think" that based on what I know a future court case will be decided "insert how you think it will be decided".
That's an opinion.
Factual statement: This is settled law and future court cases will be ruled on that way and no other way.
That's a factual statement.
Hopefully you will find that helpful in the future.
Once again, my profession helped many families and people. I was a supervisor for much of my career. My job requirements were far more than pouring concrete. .
That can be said for any profession, truthfully.
The plumber, the electrician, the teacher, etc ad nausea. You poured concrete. You didn't facilitate anything any other construction person didn't do.
Not attacking, just stating. Don't consider yourself special. The mechanics that fix stuff? Like buses. The accountants, the lawyers, the people working in factories making cars, or widgets, could claim the exact same thing you claim.
Again, I am in no way attacking what you did for a living. Someone needs to do it, and many, many people do concrete. Tough job. But you're not special.
I don't consider myself special. I think the trades are an honorable profession. Millions of Americans work in the trades. But just for the sake of trying to be clear here. I was mainly in a supervisory roll for many years which required much more than "pouring concrete".
I'm still not sure how someone who makes and runs a video game company had the right to try to belittle my profession though. Do you?
John McCain was a senator 31 years in Arizona. Lake basically told the McCain voters to buzz off.
She spit on the elections. Said trump was the rightful president and would be again.
A Fox anchor. Knows the image and the camera angles. Was asked about all the court cases that failed. She said Garland was withholding the evidence.
So, Arizona said we will take plain Jane and we reject your BS.
It needed to happen. It was important that it did.
If you are going to have a democracy then first and foremost. You must believe you have fair and honest elections. When you challenge that as is your right and you can not prove wrong doing.
This seems quite odd coming from you. Let's recap shall we?
I helped build many houses early in my career. Homes that give comfort to many people. It helps them build wealth through equity and helps provide their families with stability.
After some years I changed to the commercial side of construction. I helped build schools that children are being educated in and children are playing sports in those gymnasiums. YMCA's which people from childhood and the elderly are currently using to stay in shape and make their lives healthier. Large commercial offices and stores in which jobs were created in. For the most part I was in a supervisor role after my first few years in the business. My work was of great benefit to not only American families, but to business as well.
And what is it you do again? Video games isn't it?
Yes, let's recap. You tell me I am not qualified to make a diagnosis, as if I had actually done so. Anything posted here is opinion, that is how these things work. But let's assume for a moment that we aren't just doing opinons.
You claim I was wrong about dementia. You further claim it could be dementia or old age.
Given OptionA is false, also Given OptionA or OptionB is false, OptionB is true. QFT.
That means you have diagnosed him as only being old since you have struck my diagnosis of dementia. That also means you feel qualified to diagnose him, based on your explicit need to question credentials required to diagnose, credentials you clearly lack, ergo you are not qualified to have an opinion on the matter according to your own rules for pitWorld.
If he didn't claim to be a doctor or lawyer than it's an opinion. OBVIOIUSLY. I'm not going to argue with you about it. So have a good day being wrong.
Moreso no doctor or lawyer would give an official judgement on a forum, in some places that could be construed as "practicing" or binding professional advice.
I don't consider myself special. I think the trades are an honorable profession. Millions of Americans work in the trades. But just for the sake of trying to be clear here. I was mainly in a supervisory roll for many years which required much more than "pouring concrete".
I'm still not sure how someone who makes and runs a video game company had the right to try to belittle my profession though. Do you?
The trades ARE an honorable, and good paying, profession. Let's face it, those jobs aren't getting shipped overseas, ever.
High school grads, with a work ethic, can start off, min. of $50,000 a year - IF they go to a trade school, learn, and show up for work.
Local construction company (road work - no paving, site prep, etc, guarantees a min. of $50,000 the first year, and it goes up from there.
But who cares if you were a supervisor? You keep hammering that. The people that do the work, that's who I care about. Supervisor, snoopervisor. Big deal.
I know many people that pour concrete. They get paid well. None of them care about 'supervisor' status.
I work my tail off. I AM the supervisor, and the grunt that does the dirty work and sweats his ass off everyday. I love it. I have no employees. However, I AM looking for help the 23rd and 25th of November. Big ass job. I'll pay, to a good worker, cash in the amount of $25-35 an hour. I bet I won't get anyone to help.
So, I'll do that big ass job by myself. As the 'owner/supervisor'.
You have opinions on Biden. So do others. Your opinion are no more accurate than others, and it could be argued that your constant defense of Biden limits your ability to realize the guy ain't right in the head.
I have no idea if Biden has some mental disorder or not. I've made that perfectly clear as I always have. And yes, being a supervisor entails much more than "pouring concrete". Of course you know that. That's the point. No need to get your panties in a wad. Of course I knew you would since you always do. I knew I was wasting my time trying to respond to you in a civil manner. I don't know why I even try anymore.
You may wish to review that thread. You were emphatic you knew the outcome of future court cases. You were giving lectures on how it would all work. Now you're trying to claim that's not what happened. You do realize people can read, correct?
You may wish to review that thread. You were emphatic you knew the outcome of future court cases. You were giving lectures on how it would all work. Now you're trying to claim that's not what happened. You do realize people can read, correct?
And Bruen is still the standard going forward. Deal with it. Every single case in the system is using it. You are the greatest legal mind alive since only you see how it has no bearing.
Once again, the SCOTUS only accepts about 150 cases a year out of over 7000 they are requested to hear. If CCW laws get chalenged and it makes it up to the SCOTUS there's the very real chance they won't even accept the case. You yourself have openly admitted this case had nothing to do with gun training being required to obtain a CCW. You don't even know if that is they type of thing this law covers since the case wasn't even about that.
Once again you are claiming it's the standard going forward based on a case that has nothing to do with training to obtain a CCW. You're at it again I see....
Once again, the SCOTUS only accepts about 150 cases a year out of over 7000 they are requested to hear. If CCW laws get chalenged and it makes it up to the SCOTUS there's the very real chance they won't even accept the case. You yourself have openly admitted this case had nothing to do with gun training being required to obtain a CCW. You don't even know if that is they type of thing this law covers since the case wasn't even about that.
Once again you are claiming it's the standard going forward based on a case that has nothing to do with training to obtain a CCW. You're at it again I see....
And when SCOTUS grants a case and makes a decision it is binding. You do realize that Bruen was decided 6-3. For a discussion of the decision read it. It implicates every single 2A case going forward. They addressed everything in a single bit. Denying the scope doesn't change it.
It's the standard going forward. State are using it t defend their overstep. Plaintiffs are using it. YOU are the only person denying the scope.
First one would have to determine exactly what the SCOTUS meant by "overstep". Once again you seem to think you have a full understanding of the law and can interpret the context of a rulings meaning. You can't. If you want to further debate this why not go back to the thread you already helped trash on the topic? Your foolishness keeps traveling from thread to thread.
First one would have to determine exactly what the SCOTUS meant by "overstep". Once again you seem to think you have a full understanding of the law and can interpret the context of a rulings meaning. You can't. If you want to further debate this why not go back to the thread you already helped trash on the topic? Your foolishness keeps traveling from thread to thread.
Ahh, that is defined in the decision, but you haven't read it so you wouldn't know that.
Again you are wrong, you argue from a place of ignorance and ipse dixit.
Claiming the decision includes gun training for a CCW permit being what the SCOTUS considers a part of this ruling is a reach of gigantic conclusion on your part. It seems to me someone that has zero experience trying to pretend he's some expert on constitutional law would be coming from a place of ignorance. No, on second thought it isn't. That would be best described as having a huge superiority complex and delusions of grandeur. I love how you think you're so superior you know what I have and haven't read. Have you ever considered comedy as a new career choice?
Claiming the decision includes gun training for a CCW permit being what the SCOTUS considers a part of this ruling is a reach of gigantic conclusion on your part. It seems to me someone that has zero experience trying to pretend he's some expert on constitutional law would be coming from a place of ignorance. No, on second thought it isn't. That would be best described as having a huge superiority complex and delusions of grandeur. I love how you think you're so superior you know what I have and haven't read. Have you ever considered comedy as a new career choice?
So the fact that NY is trying to justify training based on the Bruen decision is a huge error on their part? You should call em up and offer your experience.
You are again, wrong about all this. You continue to be wrong and saying the same thing differently won't help.
Have you ever thought about just growing up and trying to be an adult? That might serve you better than all the other nonsense.
BTW.. in case you missed it, you are still wrong. And this still has nothing to do with Jaybird saying Biden seems to have dementia.
The Far-Right Is Convinced Kari Lake Won: ‘Now Is the Time to Fight’
Republican candidate for Arizona governor Kari Lake has refused to concede, and her supporters are already baselessly claiming voter fraud.
The election fraud conspiracies unleashed by former TV news star Kari Lake in her defeat for Arizona governor were both predictable and instantaneous.
Lake, a Republican with the backing of former President Donald Trump, has refused to concede. After a batch of ballots released Monday night by Maricopa County made it clear that her opponent Katie Hobbs had won, Lake simply tweeted: “Arizonans know BS when they see it.”
In the days since the election, Lake repeatedly told her supporters that she had won, laying the groundwork to challenge a potential Hobbs’ victory as illegitimate. Now, Lake’s supporters, including prominent “Stop the Steal” activists, say they’re prepared to do whatever it takes to ensure their preferred candidate assumes the role of Arizona governor—and are looking to dig their claws into anything they can use to claim “foul play.” And at least one group of right-wing activists are already demanding a “do-over” of Arizona’s entire midterm election.
“It’s time,” said Gregg Philips, a former Texas official turned election conspiracy activist, on Steve Bannon’s “War Room” podcast. “Now is the time to fight. We’re gonna fight [Katie Hobbs] to the bitter end. We will not allow her to certify a stolen election.”
On Telegram in particular, one conspiracy took over: screenshots from the live feed inside the Maricopa County Recorder’s Office that showed a pile of black duffle bags that extremists have said mean that election workers were up to no good. “Black bags are EVERYWHERE,” one Telegram user wrote.
Ben Bergquam from right-wing media channel Real America’s Voice seemed to allude to those photos on Bannon’s show Tuesday and asserted that Maricopa County poll workers should be forced to sign affidavits to attest to whether they saw people “mixing ballots, mixing boxes, putting them in bags.”
Trump also weighed in on Lake’s behalf Monday night, posting to his app TruthSocial to imply that the election had been stolen from her.
“Wow! They just took the election away from Kari Lake. It’s really bad out there!” Trump wrote. He also shared a meme featuring a picture of the former TV news star, with the text, “Kari Lake Won.” Other prominent right-wing influencers have also weighed in. “I for one encourage @KariLake not to concede,” wrote ex-Newsmax host John Cardillo to his 300,000 Twitter followers. “Too many mathematically improbable and in some cases impossible irregularities.”
Maricopa County has been ground zero for election conspiracies since 2020 (despite audits and lawsuits failing to turn up any evidence of fraud). Philips’ conspiracy group, True the Vote, ginned up data that Dinesh D’Souza relied on in his debunked 2,000 Mules film to claim that Democrats were running a shady operation to stuff ballot drop boxes in areas that would have been key to Trump winning re-election, including in Maricopa County.
On the campaign trail, Lake and other MAGA candidates in Arizona, like Blake Masters (who lost his bid for Senate) and Mark Finchem (who lost the race for secretary of state), routinely fanned the flames of those conspiracies, talking about how the election was “stolen” from Trump and regularly referencing 2,000 Mules.
So when Election Day rolled around and 20 percent of vote tabulation machines in Maricopa County briefly had problems reading ballots due to printer issues, conspiracy theorists pounced and claimed the “steal” was already in motion. Lake went on right-wing media to claim, without proof, that the vast majority of the 60 polling places impacted were in “Republican parts of town.”
As Arizona’s voting process dragged on, Lake and her allies continued to claim that it was a conflict of interest that Hobbs, who previously served as secretary of state overseeing Arizona’s elections, didn’t recuse herself to run for governor. This is not unusual; incumbent secretaries of state run for re-election in the same systems they oversee all the time.)
Since Election Day, Lake has been telling her supporters that she’d won (despite never once taking the lead over Hobbs). “We won this election on Election night,” her campaign tweeted on Friday. “Everything after was narrative. They didn’t want @KariLake to have her victory speech.”
Lake has also repeatedly tweeted that she was so confident in her victory that she was already assembling a team to facilitate her transition into the governorship. Lake’s campaign seems to be convinced that she can still win and is urging voters to “cure” their challenged ballots.
After news broke on Monday that Hobbs had won, some of Lake’s most vocal supporters seemed shaken and despondent. Finchem began spewing out a torrent of conspiracy theories and petty grievances on social media
“Less tweets more lawsuits,” Finchem tweeted in the middle of a lengthy tweetstorm that also included nuggets of wisdom like: “The results from the machines defy all math” and “Polls had me winning Maricopa. No way we lost Maricopa.”
He also called for a full audit of the vote in Arizona, an expansion of the bogus recount held in Maricopa last year.
“The people of Arizona deserve better than a steaming [censored] show of an "election" run by Richer & Gates,” Finchem tweeted. “We want a full review of every ballot envelope under a microscope. You have revealed yourselves for the frauds you are.”
And State Sen. Wendy Rogersventured the possibility that they’d miscalculated Lake’s chances. “We wonder now if we were in an echo chamber,” Rogers said on conservative activist Charlie Kirk’s show.
But others are already looking to take matters into their own hands. At least one group of far-right influencers has already drawn up a more concrete plan to correct what they see as a stolen election in Arizona.
Joe Oltmann, a conservative podcaster from Colorado and major pusher of 2020 election conspiracies, announced a plan on his podcast on Monday night to“shut down” Arizona while demanding a complete redo of the election.
“We are putting everybody on notice, this is peaceful, this is a redress of grievances,” Oltmann said on the podcast. “If you are going to steal our voice and institutionalize slavery, then we as the people should have the opportunity to say no.”
Among the group’s demands, which officials have until Friday to respond to, are the appointment of a special master to oversee Arizona elections along with the removal of Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, Maricopa County Board of Supervisor Bill Gates, and Steven [sic] Richer, the Maricopa County Recorder. The Gateway Pundit, a far-right news outlet, promoted the group’s demands in an article on Tuesday with the headline, “IT BEGINS: Patriots Call For a New Legitimate Midterm Election on December 6.”
The new election would, according to the group’s demands, take place on Dec. 6 and be done only in person, with paper ballots and “precinct level hand counting of ballots.”
If these demands are not met, the group warned that “Arizona citizens, joined by American citizens from across the country, will peacefully descend on Arizona until the new election is conducted.”
Oltmann expanded on what would happen on his Telegram channel:
“It’s time to Shut It Down,” he wrote. “The people of Arizona are speaking. Every roadway, every building …. Shut it down until the demands are met. It may lead to mass amounts of people refusing to pay taxes, refusing to go to work.”
Users on Patriots.win, a pro-Trump forum, largely agreed that re-running the vote would have little impact and turned to other possibilities.
“Voting AIN'T gonna solve America's leftist problem,” one user wrote.
“F... it. just keep talking about it and maybe we will get someone brave enough to start what needs to f...... happen yesterday,” another replied.
“You first, rambo,” a third added.
Others are calling for Lake to assume the position of governor, even though she lost. “KARI LAKE WON. The DNC knows it. The RNC knows it. We ALL know it,” wrote QAnon conspiracy theorist Ann Vandersteel to her 45,000 subscribers on Telegram. “Gloves off... MAGA needs to ignore these corruptocrats, form a new government of, by and for We the People and move on.”
Another user on Patriots.win made similar remarks. “If the courts don't fix this then hold a rally, invite all the Arizona Patriots and swear in Lake as the new governor on the same day as Hobbs,” they wrote. “Then Lake sets up office and starts running the State.”
“In other words, Arizona needs to ignore the stolen election results,” they added.
Before the election, VICE News spoke to Lake’s supporters in Maricopa County who repeatedly affirmed their belief that fraud was the only way Hobbs could win the race for governor.
“It seems to be that a win for Katie Hobbs would mean hands down that they [the Democrats] cheated,” said Lindsay Graham, a conservative activist known as “Patriot Barbie,” at a right-wing event in Chandler, Arizona, one day before Election Day. “There is no way there’s enough support in Arizona.” Graham added that she would trust the results of the election if Lake won.
Many other Republican voters did not mince words when describing the kind of reaction they expected to see from Lake’s supporters, if she were not declared the winner. “I think there’s going to be a big uprising,” Susanna Davis, 61, told VICE News on Election Day outside her polling place, a megachurch in Phoenix, when asked what would happen if Lake lost.
On Saturday, around 100 protesters gathered outside the Maricopa County Recorder’s Office for a rally that State Sen. Wendy Rogers had promoted via her social media (despite other right-wing thought leaders including Charlie Kirk urging Arizonans to abstain from protesting for the time being). It was the biggest crowd to materialize in front of the Maricopa County Recorder’s Office since Election Day, which was also a flashpoint for protests in 2020.
Some rally goers came armed with handguns or knives and carried wooden signs bearing slogans like “Lake Won” and “Hobbs=Cheat.” A few came dressed in tactical gear, emblazoned with patches associated with militia movements in the area; one attendee wore a T-shirt advertising Bannon’s War Room podcast. One woman showed up with a wooden cross and knelt outside the recorder’s office where votes were still being tallied as another attendee led the crowd in prayer.
Attendees expressed frustration with Arizona’s voting system, but at that point, Lake and her allies were still promising that the remaining untallied ballots would be overwhelmingly favorable to Republicans. It was clear that many in the crowd were convinced that Lake would ultimately be declared the winner.
“I think there’s going to be some real upset people who don’t trust the system,” if Hobbs won, one attendee said.
You keep saying the same thing the same way and it doesn't help. Have you ever thought about growing up and being a constitutional lawyer instead of playing one on Dawgtalkers?
So how restrictive is the N.Y. law you are using as some example? Is it a basic training course to get a CCW? I doubt it.
I'm not the one who started this fight. Deflecting by making such an accusation doesn't change the fact that people can read.
Yes you are. When things don't go your way you go to sniping and insults. You question whether people can read, what they do.
So in the spirit of telling you yet again you are wrong and don't understand how this all works so you can ignore it:
In Washington DC the rule for anyone carrying is no more ammo than two magazines worth and no more than twenty rounds total. If you have eight round magazines then you get 16 rounds total. If you have 15 round magazines you are breaking the law. If you have 10 round magazines you get 20 rounds total.
Dick Heller told the city after the Bruen decision he would sue them over this. The Bruen decision does not address how many rounds nor how many magazines you may have on you. It does address history, text and tradition. Washington DC has acquiesced, not because they have a care for you and your protected rights. They did so because they knew it was a losing proposition in the face of Bruen's mandate of text, history and tradition.
In Texas a federal judge has ruled that people under indictment cannot be denied possession of arms. There is not text, history or tradition of denying the right to keep arms to someone who is merely charged with a crime. The Bruen decision has no specific language about this, but it does require text, history and tradition.
None of this stops a rouge activist judge ignoring the decision. it is likely a given it will happen. A judge in Baltimore County ruled that a AR-15 is not common usage and, as such, is not protected 10ish years ago. The thing that is likely to happen is if a circuit tries to ignore Bruen and another circuit doesn't you end up with a circuit spilt. That means you have different rules for citizens who live in different circuits. This is the surest way to trigger a grant of writ of certiorari. If you believe the court that ruled 6-3 in Bruen is going to suddenly change its mind and ignore other cases that should be settled with Bruen you really are delusional.
The writing is on the wall, it takes time, but as this moves forward text, history and tradition is the standard, regardless what the original question was the court was asked, they answered with text, history and tradition.
TL:DR: Text, history and tradition is the standard.
I guess we’ll find out if they actually have policies to advocate for, or if they think it’ll just be a good idea to try and open investigations against everyone and everything to try and burn stuff down.
I guess we’ll find out if they actually have policies to advocate for, or if they think it’ll just be a good idea to try and open investigations against everyone and everything to try and burn stuff down.
The answer is: Where is Hillary’s personal emails. Whatabout Benghazi! Hunter Biden is hiding something. Repeal Obamacare. Joe has dementia. Election reform with no proof of wide spread election fraud. Raise prices and taxes on the poor and give more tax breaks and lower taxes on the rich. Rinse and repeat. Take away women’s reproductive right. Ending the never ending war in Afghanistan was right but not how Biden did it! Biden left us with this inflation we can’t overcome now. This is how they operate. Why should we expect anything different from the GOPers?
The Mac Brothers, Kevin and Mitch, are fighting for their righteous positions in the House and Senate. Caring more about themselves then their constituents. Typical GOPer behavior and in fighting again. It’s so predictable.
I'm fully aware you are not a constitutional lawyer but it seems either one of two things are happening here. You either feel like you're playing one on TV or you've been staying at a Holiday Inn Express.
I've quoted all the debate points you posted in response to my factual post. I'd respond to them, but again you don't debate you insult, deflect and toss infantile barbs. Typical.
You wouldn't know a fact if it smacked you in the ass. Just because you think you know everything which is exactly the way narcissistis think, you value yourself far too highly.
Yours are sounding rather compelling at this point as well.
Still at the holiday Inn Express I see. You do understand that you trying to translate and use your preconceived notions when interpreting the SCOTUS holds zero merit, correct? Going around and round with some wannabe attorney who thinks he knows everything about the law has become nauseating. You have no idea if the SCOTUS felt that basic CCW training fell under what they consider intrusive to carrying a gun. You have no idea if they would even hear such a case should it be challenged. The case they ruled on involves none of that. You pretty much have no idea about any of that. Yet you continue to think you're some sort of expert on the topic. You're not.
Yours are sounding rather compelling at this point as well.
Still at the holiday Inn Express I see. You do understand that you trying to translate and use your preconceived notions when interpreting the SCOTUS holds zero merit, correct? Going around and round with some wannabe attorney who thinks he knows everything about the law has become nauseating. You have no idea if the SCOTUS felt that basic CCW training fell under what they consider intrusive to carrying a gun. You have no idea if they would even hear such a case should it be challenged. The case they ruled on involves none of that. You pretty much have no idea about any of that. Yet you continue to think you're some sort of expert on the topic. You're not.
I do know what the decision says, which you continue to deny. Text, history and tradition.
This is not debatable if you read the decision. You are deflecting that by trying to attack me personally.
Prove to be that "mandatory training" especially 16 hours or more show history, text and tradition. You won't, you can't. You will deflect and call me more names, but I challenge you to go outside of your rancor and show me. I dare you. Make a proper debate point in light of the controlling standard.
Once again, the case you are using had nothing to do with training to acquire a CCW. It's your reach of epic proportions that's trying to insinuate that it does with nothing to base that on.
Once again, the case you are using had nothing to do with training to acquire a CCW. It's your reach of epic proportions that's trying to insinuate that it does with nothing to base that on.
And once again you miss the point (purposefully)
Text, history and tradition is the rule of thumb now. You asserted that Bruen only covered "good cause" arguments. I have shown that to be incorrect. It IS being used for all manner of 2A cases. NY is trying to defend training by USING Bruen. They must be wrong cause you said it has nothing to do with it.
You are wrong, you continue to argue because you cannot, in your delusional world, ever be wrong. Text, History and Tradition rule.
Maybe you're waiting for me to bow to you? No, you just keep trying to act like you're a constitutional law attorney. You're not. New York already has some of the most restrictive gun policies in the country. So does the fact that dozens of lawyers tried to use case law to prove the 2020 elections were stolen make them right? No, they lost every case.
Maybe you're waiting for me to bow to you? No, you just keep trying to act like you're a constitutional law attorney. You're not. New York already has some of the most restrictive gun policies in the country. So does the fact that dozens of lawyers tried to use case law to prove the 2020 elections were stolen make them right? No, they lost every case.
Whoa there, you are conflating things that have nothing to do with each other.
NY does have egregious anti gun laws. One they no longer have is "good cause" This was put into effect 90+ years ago. It was finally struck down.
The fact that everyone arguing a 2A case now is using Bruen and not some antiquated standard is good enough proof. Text, history and tradition.
So it has nothing to do with a basic training course to get a CCW permit.
I think it is you who are conflating things that have nothing to do with each other. The SCOTUS case had nothing to do with basic gun training to acquire a CCW permit.
Also allow me to point out something you posted earlier.
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So the fact that NY is trying to justify training based on the Bruen decision is a huge error on their part?
You see, your claim all along was that the Bruen decision would actually overturn states having the right to require people to get training to acquire a CCW permit. Then you turn right around and cite an example of how in one state the opposite is being proposed. How does that bolster your position again?
So it has nothing to do with a basic training course to get a CCW permit.
I think it is you who are conflating things that have nothing to do with each other. The SCOTUS case had nothing to do with basic gun training to acquire a CCW permit.
Also allow me to point out something you posted earlier.
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So the fact that NY is trying to justify training based on the Bruen decision is a huge error on their part?
You see, your claim all along was that the Bruen decision would actually overturn states having the right to require people to get training to acquire a CCW permit. Then you turn right around and cite an example of how in one state the opposite is being proposed. How does that bolster your position again?
I have to give it to you. You can continue to use a pedantically specious argument in the face of fact like no one else.
Bruen did not specifically address number of rounds a CCW carrier can have on them. It was used to change the number in DC.
Bruen did not specifically address those who have been indicated to be prohibited for possession (that's the first step to carrying, you can't carry if you cant posses). But Bruen was used to strike that law in TX.
Bruen specifically said anything that implicates the right to keep and bear arms must use text, history and tradition. Your example.. mandatory training is used to determine if someone can carry (bear). Is there a "sufficient historical analog" for requiring training before allowing carry? I don't know there is. And it is the state that has to prove there is. Not they say it, not they think it, not the hint they wish it was there. They bear (pardon the pun) the burden of proof.
You can reframe the same argument over and over, but text, history and tradition is the same answer. Bruen is the controlling decision on this and it is clear.
On a personal note, if you don't like I get it it. You believe the Bloomberg/Giffords/Brady/et all that say things like "common sense" and "gun violence" You picture your self above those "yahoos" around you as better than them. That does not matter. Your feelings are not important. Text, history and tradition is. Bruen matters. It is the precedent now. That can only be changed by SCOTUS.
My claim all along is that mandatory training does not meet text, history and tradtion. You have not proven it does. You have attacked me at every turn and deflected and thrown out straw argument. You are, of course, going to continue to do so because you can't admit you are wrong.
I see you avoided addressing my point. Your claim all along has been that Bruen would be used to overturn requiring basic training to acquire a CCW permit. You even used an example of where it is attempting to be used to do just the opposite. You also are reaching to conclude that requiring any basic form of training involves an infringement of your second amendment rights which has clearly not been indicated or proven in the SCOTUS Bruen decision.
You see, I'm not the one making wild accusations and claims like that. You are. I'm not for restricting weapons or anything like you seem to claim which I've made clear all along. You've made assertions that you somehow know the outcome of cases that have not been decided as of yet. My only claim is that the Bruen case made no reference to requiring gun training to acquire a CCW permit and that requiring such training is something left to be decided on whether that actually interferes with your 2nd amendment rights. You believe it does and based on that alone you think you can read the future. Don't try to spin it now.
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Twelve years isn't "many years to come". I guess this could be due to a combination of boomers collecting and a reduced amount of revenue coming in (damn illegals - 
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Man I hope they keep the house!
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