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Throughout the history of the NFL it has been proven there is no one size fits all recipe for drafting or evaluating a successful QB. I don't see this as being any different.

IMO Shedeur has a lot more learning to do but he is capable and smart enough to learn what he has to. I agree with Bone on the traits he has it’s just a matter of learning by gaining experience. He needs to put the reps in. I’m pulling for him!

If we don’t take a QB high I would consider taking a flyer on Drew Allar later in the draft. He looks like a younger version of Josh Allen. We can have him as our #3 and give him some time to develop.

I think if Berry and Stefanski is retained that is a very possible outcome. They were high on Allar last year. If Berry and Stefanski re retained I think the QB room will look something like Sanders, Watson, and maybe a Drew Allar. If Stefanski and Berry are fired I think the entire QB room will be changed. I think a new regime will take the salary cap hit and release Watson like Denver did with Russel Wilson. They will trade Sanders and cut Gabriel. Sanders and Watson will only be with the Browns if Stefanski and Berry are here. Otherwise, a new regime means new QB room.

This is what my comment pertained to. I was simply answering why I as an individual did not consider this a topic for discussion. There is certainly information contained in the video. The question then becomes do you think that information is some guide to a foolproof plan in drafting a QB. As for myself I don't think it is so that is my answer as to why I wasn't going into enter to the debate about it. That's all.

I don't blame those who wish to do otherwise.

Well, there’s always the possibility that we’ll take 2QB’s again like this past draft 😂 And then keep DW. The Browns do make unprecedented moves LOL 😂

I agree. At this time if I were making the decision I would go with Shedeur for next year trade down in the draft for a #1 in “27 and draft for the O-line, get a WR or2 and then go BPA.

I would definately roll with Shedeur at this point.

He has some of those higher prioorities. There are still alot of unknowns. Partly because of the team: OL and WR talent.... partly because of how little we have seen him.

As well as thinking of Sanders while watching (geat vid by the way - thank you).... I also was struck by how Baker hit on some of those high priorities too. When they talked about Passion. Toughness, Leadership (being authentic - leading by example) made me think of BM. IQ (#4 on the list) - that is questionable for Baker. I'm not certain how fast he processes - but then as Warner said: Make it simple. What is the ILB doing - read and react. What is the safety doing - read and react.... BM did okay with "half the field". I hope Sanders processes faster and ends up showing more smarts.

At the end of the day I don't watch enough college game to know what the QB class offers. I do know that SS has shown enough to let me want to address the other more glaring needs and give the guy a chance.

Again - thanks for the vid.

I think there are many Browns' fans (and not just on this site if you listen to sports talk radio here in town) who feel the same way. That term feels a bit too tentative for me, and if I am the FO, I don't move forward with him if I am wavering or unsure about him or "leaning" in one direction. If I am the FO, the question becomes, do I think sticking with Shedeur is the right thing for the team even if I can get one of Mendoza or Moore (or insert some other QB they like). If so, I think that is a very risky play even if you think building around a QB is important.

A team lives and dies by the QB. End of story. It's not a lack of culture as has been talked about lately. It's not about going/not going for it on 4th down. It's not about having one of the best defenses, as evidence this year. It's the QB and only the QB.

To me, "trending" shouldn't cut it if the FO feels the same. Get the guy you believe can be the franchise, and if you are unsure about what you have, you've already addressed the direction you need to go in.

Now, perhaps the FO is confident in Sanders's future. If that is the case, that is a very different story, but I don't think they do.

I think before the FO will move forward on Sanders if they like Mendoza or Moore they will inquire about what a trade would look like for either player. If then cost is higher than they are willing to pay, then Sanders it is. Just like last year. According to reports they inquired about moving up to take Ward and the Titans said No they are not interested in trading. The draft is about what I have vs what I can get when I am picking. If/when they offer a trade to the top pick or 2nd pick and they are told no deal then is Sanders a better option than the 3rd QB? They actually may have this option twice actually with both 1st round selections.

I would assume this to be the case as well. And the Giants currently sitting at the #2 spot could be where a team moves up since they seemingly have their QB (for the moment) in Dart. NYJ are most likely taking one at #3, so it is leap-frogging them or out-bidding them if only for the Jets to move up one spot. You'd think Titans at #4 might be the next spot to trade up, but you never know.....knew coach and maybe a new GM could change that.

I suppose the same situation for the Titans could be for the Giants, but I think they stick with Dart.

I’m sure Vegas will take Mendoza and the Giants would probably take him too. If Moore goes back to school like it’s been reported then there really isn’t any other QB worth a top 5 pick IMO. Things could change but right now that’s the way it looks.

More crucially, both the Giants and Titans put significant draft ammo towards the QB position, and neither pick has played their way out of the job.

I believe either loss still has us picking 5th, and a win will just put us a couple spots lower. Either way, I hope we don't end up trying to move up from our first pick.

Agree. I see Shedeur's ceiling as low-end starter. His CPOE and EPA are quite bad. Gabriel rated higher.

If the Browns roll with him next season it is just punting on yet another season. Let's hope the Browns set a higher bar for a change.

Local sports talk in town has been banging the Shedeur drum. He's makes for easy content. Controversial, too!

I tend to think it's more likely Shedeur isn't even on the team next year unless Haslam meddles and enjoys the fan/media attention he brings to the team.

If Berry and Stefanski stay Sanders will be the 2026 Browns starter. If they are fired and there is regime change the entire QB room will be different in 2026.

The Browns org cannot move off of DW until designating him a June 1 2027 cut after the 2026 league year ends. The new guys - if that happens - can choose to not-want DW all they want...he is here and on the 53 for all of the 2026 season.

Actually, they can choose to take the 1-year salary cap hit like Denver did with Russel Wilson. With Watson and JOK's insurance money cap relief for this season it will offset some of that extra cap hit. They can stay a very young team in 2026 with as many as 30 1st and 2nd year players on the 53 and then start 2027 with a lot of cap space to work with. If I am interviewing for new GM and coach that is what I would sell Haslam.

Now Berry and Stefanski will use the insurance money as cap relief keep Watson on the roster in 2026 and try to build off of 2025 and field a more competitive team in 2026 by selling Haslam on if they use the space, they have to fill a couple of the Oline holes and try to improve the Offense to be at least average or a middle of the league offense. With the caliber defense already assembled the team can be competitive in 2026 and keeping Watson on the team in 2026 is best for the team salary cap wise. I would assume that is what Berry and Stefanski are selling to Haslam.

Now what will Haslam do after Sunday's game?

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the insurance relief that kicks in for the upcoming season doesn't help us in getting rid of Watson before the end of next season. The dead money escalation that will happen is still too much (hence why we need to hold him for the 2026 season). That insurance relief will, however, allow us to function somewhat in FA.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Couldn't agree much more than I do - with both of you.

Shedeur is not and will not be the Fairy Tale QB we want him to be. Too rough around the edges in nearly all aspects, too many terrible tendencies. His processor is too slow. He's a Pentium 4 in a world of i9s.

If his shelf life is longer than four years it will be on three+ different teams. If he ever has actual pro bowl type success, it will run a timeline like Geno Smith. If the Browns are smart, they'll unload him while some team will still float a 3rd or 4th rounder; otherwise, his presence will be disruptive.

The ONLY scenario where he starts is if we are "punting" on 2026 because we don't see our future fQB in the draft. Along those lines, if we do, we pay the price to go get him. You don't calculate the cost of a fQB on a slide rule. This team just sacrificed three 1st rounders, a large part of the fanbase, a stab at years of mockery and a quarter billion on the biggest bust in league history. Can't stand pat because the next one will cost us an extra 1st round pick that we already own.

That said, this class is thin and over-payment is a given, sad but true. That's not even football talk, that's simple supply and demand. I would go all-in on Moore, but that's about it. I like 2027 a lot better.

If our FO is on my page, they will also trade Myles Garrett for two 1st round picks. Drafting a rookie in 2027 means that Garrett would likely be no more than a "piece" of a defensive puzzle by the time we sniff a February game.


That was a great video. As fans, seeing a chart that seems to be inside-out, it's easy to understand that's because we're not as privy to the top of the chart as the "insiders" are. I, as many of you did, saw firsthand (loved to see it in the video), that Stafford was a fQB when he beat the Browns his rookie year with his arm falling out of it's socket. Good $h*t.

It's easy to read down that list and see why we drafted Mayfield, although I beat the drum for months for Allen. I said and say again... when you have a physical freak that can throw all NFL passes, to all parts of the field, run like Gronk in the open field before running over a LB, with a grin on his face, you take the chances on completion percentage.

You just watched 40 minutes of the best in the biz talking about why all the intangibles matter, and why all the physics are nearly as important, and still spit the truth in the end - it's a 50/50 proposition at best. And that's why I live where I live in the world of QB evaluations - you draft the things you cannot teach, and you draft for as many tools in the toolbox as possible. And you hope. You hope for the first time in your god-forsaken football life the coin comes up heads. Jesus, lord have mercy, please release us from this purgatory.

Wish I had more time to go all-in on this discussion, I don't atm. Good threads, Bone. You're working your butt off to keep discussion going in a world of Browns apathy.

You're not wrong it does not help the team get rid of him. It will give the team 43 million in cap relief. If they hold on to Watson, his cap hit is less in 2026 than if they out right cut him. If I new coach came in like Sean Peyton did in Denver, they cut him and take the entire hit in 2026. They could cut him post June1st and spread the cap hit out over 2026 and 2027. I would assume a new coach will take the cap hit in year 1 and move forward with more cap space available in 2027. They can only do that by following what just happened this year and play 1st year players and a hand full undrafted free agents. Next year's team would be younger than this year's team but 95% of Watson's cap hit would then be off the books.