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Crazy how all of a sudden when you have a proven deep threat to worry about, the defenses won't dare you to throw down field by stacking the box to stop the run isn't it? You mean these things don't happen in a vacuum and are actually related? Crazy indeed.... must have missed something. were they double teaming the rabbit?
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The Crow is that back mac.
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Big backs are very overrated imo. Give me MJD before the Nigerian Nightmare any day of the week. Why use an ox when you could use a stallion when time is of the essence?
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I would love to get one of Cincy's backs, but I realize that won't happen. Hill's fumbling problems I wouldn't want as we already have that with JF.
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The Crow is that back mac.
Average size doesn't determine power. Who do we go to in the red zone? Who has the nose for the end zone? Who has the power to break tackles? The Crow is the answer to all of those questions.
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The Crow is that back mac.
5'11" and 225 is excellent size. How big are you talking? If you're talking about the likes of Lacy or Bettis, those guys are very rare breeds.
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Crow ran very hard yesterday and made quite a few yards after contact.
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Crow ran very hard yesterday and made quite a few yards after contact. Agreed.
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His TD run he did not have the angle but he nutted up and put 3 defenders on the ground and the ball into the endzon.
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Obviously some of us have a difference in opinion concerning the Browns plan (or lack of a plan) for a 3-1 or a 4-1 situation.
More often than some of you realize, a critical point in a football game can come down to a team's ability to make 1 yard...just 1 yard for a first down or a TD. Happens many times every weekend of the NFL season.
The Brown have a pass catching TE as our FB..BAD IDEA.
Against the Titans, Crow tried to get 1 yard and so did Manziel...the Browns short yardage package...there isn't one. Maybe the Browns offensive brain trust believes there is "no need" for short yardage package??
IMHO the Browns short yardage package/situation..needs to be addressed.
In the second quarter, the Brown drive the ball from their 30 down to the Titans 19 yard line...
...3rd/1yd for a first down, the Browns run Crow, NO GAIN..the Browns can't get 1 yd to keep the drive going.
4th/1yd for a first, the Browns run Manziel and lose yardage, blowing a chance to go up 21-0 or kicking a field goal to go up 17-0.
The Cleveland Browns could not get "a yard" when they needed it. I've seen the Browns struggle in short yardage situations in past years, too.
It seems that the center of the Browns Oline did not match up well when Titans went to a short yardage defense. Two tries to get one yard and this OLine did not get it done.
So either the Browns Oline is the problem or maybe it's the people we have running the football in those short yardage situation?...you folks tell me what the Browns' problem is.
I do not classify Crow as a power back..he runs hard but he is not the kind of back that moves a pile a yard against a short yardage defensive front.
Manziel's attempt at the QB sneak was a disaster as he actually was pushed back and lost yardage on his 4th/1 attempt.
Seeing this as a problem that needs to be fixed, I look at the Browns roster and find that our FB is actually a TE, 6-1, 236, Malcolm Johnson..
...that is a problem, especially if the team needs a RB/FB capable of picking up a yard against a short yardage defense.
There are teams in the NFL who put a higher value on "big backs" than the Browns do.
...just a couple of examples...Super Bowl Champion New England Patriots have LeGarrette Blount...6-0..250lbs and James Develin..6-3..251.
Blount became a free agent after the 2013 season and was signed by the Steeler in March 2014. Blount got himself cut by the Steelers in Nov 2014 and was signed again by the Patriots. Blount helped the Patriots win the Super Bowl last season.
The Steelers put a high priority on "big backs"...remember "the bus"?..Jerome Bettis, 5-11, 260.
The Steelers had Blount and LeVon Bell, 6-1,244 at the beginning of 2014. This season, the Steelers have Bell, FB Will Johnson 6-2,240, FB Roosevelt Nix, 5-11, 248.
Green Bay has Eddie Lacy, 5-11, 234 and FBs John Kuhn 6-0, 250, Aaron Ripkows, 6-1, 246.
These are some of the top teams in the NFL, and it appears that all of these teams have an answer for 4th/1 situations, starting with a RB or FB with the size and strength to move the pile for a touchdown or a much needed 1st down.
The Browns have no answer for a 4th and 1 situation...and they need to address it...jmho
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I agree with you Mac.
We need a short yardage game plan, and we need a bigger back to be our powerhouse. That "Bus" that can get that TD when you are 3rd and goal form the 1.
Our backs aren't even very good at getting around the edge. If they don't get a hole up front, they seldom get more than 1 yard.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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What about that guy Winston? Isn't he a big, huge RB?
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i think our backs are fine.
it's the execution that's the problem.
as well, IMO of course, we don't have the line for a brute force, 4 and 1 situation.
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We are a finesse blocking team not force .. We should excel in the zone scheme .. Line watchers are telling me that although we where suppose to keep the Shanny blocking scheme , we really haven't .. Now add into the mix that Mack is getting bullied and you have today's Browns OL ! I know I will be accused of beating a dead horse but " Coaching " ..
Thrilled with the win .. But why coach's keep trying to put round pegs in square holes, is beyond me !
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What about that guy Winston? Isn't he a big, huge RB? He is on the NFI Reserve list.
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i think our backs are fine.
it's the execution that's the problem.
as well, IMO of course, we don't have the line for a brute force, 4 and 1 situation.
With the Browns lack of an overpowering Oline...wouldn't it make sense to add a power running back for those short yardage situation? Seems logical to me.
As I illustrated, teams that "win a lot", win in the playoffs and in Super Bowls, they have power runners and some have both a big back and a bigger FB as a lead blocker, which is another way of adding more beef at the point of attack to help Olines that need some help in the power department.
The Browns do not have a power back who can move the pile. I thought that adding Seahawks backup RB, Robert Turbin might help the Browns overcome their lack of a power back, but while researching Turbin, I found that in addition to his high ankle sprain, he also had "double hip surgery" in the offseason, in May.
The Seahawks may have had reasons for waiving Turbin, beyond his ankle sprain. Also, in 2010, Turbin suffered a torn ACL, requiring surgery and missed the entire 2010 season for Utah St. Turbin does have some mileage on his body..does he have anything left to give?..I hope so.
Turbin was going to be brought back slowly by the Seahawks after his double hip surgery in May 2015. Turbin missed the entire off season workouts but did play in the preseason's first two games, he rushed 11 times for 17 yds, with the number one offense. In the 3rd preseason game, Sep 29, against the Chargers, Turbin suffered a high ankle sprain with possible ligament damage.
The Seahawks did not waste any time working out an injury settlement with Turbin and waived him on Sept 4th .
Now the Browns are waiting for Turbin to get healthy hoping he will help to solve the Browns problem of how to gain 1 yard on 3rd and 4th downs.
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while researching Turbin, I found that in addition to his high ankle sprain, he also had "double hip surgery" in the offseason, in May.
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Well, if you google "double hip surgery", you get Robert Turbin.
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Well, if you google "double hip surgery", you get Robert Turbin.
Just found what I been looking for...
Turbo re-charge: Backup RB Robert Turbin back, “chillin’” after offseason double-hip surgery
Seahawks Insider Blog AUGUST 8, 2015
BY GREGG BELL
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Robert Turbin, here at Seahawks training camp in a new, No. 32 (he had been 22), is feeling renewed after double-hip surgery at the renowned Steadman Clinic in Vail, Colorado, this offseason. Elaine Thompson AP
Turns out, the hip surgery Robert Turbin was off having this offseason was twice as challenging than previously understood.
The fourth-year backup to Marshawn Lynch as Seattle’s lead running back -- the man quarterback and camp roommate Russell Wilson described today as “an elite running back” -- said following his Saturday as the No. 1 rusher in this training camp’s fullest scrimmage he had double-hip surgery this offseason outside the team’s medical staff at a specialty clinic in Colorado.
Coach Pete Carroll said this spring Turbin was away “up north” recovering from hip surgery and that the rehabilitation was in concert with the team’s medical staff and was going well.
Turbin said his labrums were torn in both hips. He said the hip pain began in his second league year in 2012, then got progressively worse in 2013 and last year.
“I thought, ‘If I’m going to be better, as a football player, I’ve got to find out what’s wrong internally, with my body,” said Turbin, who rushed for 310 yards and caught 16 passes for two touchdowns last season. He started three times when Lynch’s back was tight at the beginning of games, and had his first career 100-yard game Dec. 9 in the romp past Arizona.
Yet he didn’t feel as great as he looked in flashes spelling Lynch, and often in Seattle’s 2-minute offense.
He and his agent sought the advice this offseason of specialists at the renowned Steadman Clinic for orthopedics in Vail, Colorado. That’s where he had his surgery and part of his rehabilitation coach Pete Carroll had previously described as “up north” this spring.
The rest of his rehabilitation was in his native California.
“Yeah, it’s healed up great now,” Turbin said. “It’s really a credit to the people at the Steadman Clinic and the people I worked with in California.”
This, of course, is Turbin’s prime time. Lynch gets few if any carries each preseason. That leave Turbin and third-year back Christine Michael as the showcased runners in Carroll’s run-first offense during exhibition games -- only to fade into spot, fill-in roles in special packages behind Lynch when the games get real.
Turbin knows this better than we do, of course. So what, I asked, is the source of his patience with this annual arrangement -- especially entering what for him is a potential contract year?
“You know, it’s just about staying ready,” he said. “This is a very unpredictable game. You never know what’s going to happen. You have to stay ready so you don’t have to get ready. You do your job to the best of your ability whenever you get the chance, whether that’s one carry or 14 carries.”
He is entering the final year of his four-year, $2.56 million contract as Seattle’s fourth round draft choice out of Utah State; he was a college teammate of Bobby Wagner there.
“I’m not concerned with it, at all,” Turbin said. “Not the least bit. I’m really just relaxed. I’m just chillin’.
“I know what I’ve done since February up to this point to be ready, so there’s no real reason for me to be tight. I’m just chillin’. I’m doing what I’ve been doing since I was 10 years old, playing the game I love. ... All that other stuff, you know, it always fall where it’s supposed to.”
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We need our own Marahawn Lymch So does every other team besides the Seahawks.
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Total combined rushing yards against Oakland: 39 yards.
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so when do we get Turbin back?
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so when do we get Turbin back? We never get him back, as we have never had him.
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Total combined rushing yards against Oakland: 39 yards. I didn't get to watch the game, why did we only have 14 rushing atttempt's? Seems an awfully low number for a team that wants to run the ball even if we did get behind early.
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Total combined rushing yards against Oakland: 39 yards. I didn't get to watch the game, why did we only have 14 rushing atttempt's? Seems an awfully low number for a team that wants to run the ball even if we did get behind early. Because we suck at running the ball, but are great at protecting the passer.
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so when do we get Turbin back? We never get him back, as we have never had him. ahh yes thanks for correcting me, I meant when do we get him back from injury?
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so when do we get Turbin back? We never get him back, as we have never had him. ahh yes thanks for correcting me, I meant when do we get him back from injury? Last I heard was two to three weeks.
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so when do we get Turbin back? We never get him back, as we have never had him. ahh yes thanks for correcting me, I meant when do we get him back from injury? He said 3-4 weeks from the time we signed him, so it should be soon .... hopefully.
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so when do we get Turbin back? We never get him back, as we have never had him. ahh yes thanks for correcting me, I meant when do we get him back from injury? He said 3-4 weeks from the time we signed him, so it should be soon .... hopefully. no he said 4 to 6 weeks. some one on the board just made up the 3 or 4 weeks. anyway pettine says..... Robert Turbin (ankle) is also progressing, too. He'll be on the horizon, probably not this week, but potentially the next two or three getting him back.
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And he said that roughly two weeks before we signed him, hence the one poster doing basic math and coming up with the 3-4 weeks. Based upon that, he should be getting close.... not that it will matter at all.
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He should have been ready [according to the math] this coming week.
Did anyone REALLY believe that he would be?
I get why a bunch of the apologists felt a need to bash those of us who questioned the signing of an injured player and releasing a WR instead of another RB, but seriously, did anyone really believe the lies coming out of Berea?
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This isn't rocket science. We have trouble in short yardage, a FB that can't lead block, and an extra offensive lineman that's a first round pick.
Send in the beef!
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We wanted to run the ball, and we did. We didn't kill teams with the pass, we were just competent. I think that a team with a great OL and very good RB can run the ball in this league. We will be that kind of team. We will be built in the mold of the Seahawks, Niners, Jets and Texans. Play great defense, and run the ball. We made upgrades to do just these things. There is no reason to think that we won't be able to do so. Well.........we are 3 games in. Our running game has sucked. Last week, we passed it 49 times and ran it 14 times. Our defense is ranked 30th overall in total defense and 32nd in rushing defense. Our offense is ranked 27th in total offense and 25th in rushing defense. These staggering numbers are against the EASY part of our schedule. Care to apologize? Any of you? Or, will you guys just ignore the facts and then rip me about the next topic, as if my points are totally ignorant and not even worthy of discussion, other than to make fun of? Pfffttttttttttttt
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You know....all this talk about playing like a Brown. We are going to run. We are going to be tough. We are going to minimize the qb position.
And we throw it 49 times and pass it 14 times??????
And the homers still aren't questioning these bozos?
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hey ive been all over the board posting rankings and such. they get no love from me.
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I am not on your case, bro. I was depressed earlier. Now, I am just mad.
Ready to rumble.
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Our defense is ranked 30th overall in total defense and 32nd in rushing defense.
Our offense is ranked 27th in total offense and 25th in rushing defense. Sounds a lot like last year.
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Our offense is ranked 27th in total offense and 25th in rushing defense. I put the wrong word in there. I'm sorry. It's 25th in rushing offense. We're last in rushing defense. My apologies.
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