DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum It's Time to Fire Pettine and Farmer.

You act like there is some sort of delineation of power. What is said and what is happening are two different things.

Also, what kind of successful organization doesn't have the GM and head coach on the same page?

Like I said, this is the setup Haslam said he would follow.

Whether or not he does is to be seen.

After tonights debacle does ANYONE want MORE of Pettine? You want more of this defense? More of this idiotic NO run until you have 8 seconds left offense?

Fire them both TONIGHT!

That was the most predictable defense I've ever seen. If we were facing anyone better than Matt Schaub we would have given up fifty.

Fire them all.

from 40 seconds to not hiking the ball until 20 seconds. and then a qb scramble to stay in bounds...thats brownie ball these days.

the worst time management since...the last game

Pat Shurmur was 9-23 in his two seasons as HC, Pettine could tie that record if lose out!

There is no reason to wait, Jimmy!!! Pettine has to go, NOW!!!

If he doesnt start Manziel to find out what the kid has, then promote someone that will. U cant handcuff your franchise because your coach is being Petty.

That's what happens when you go with Davis who hasn't taken snaps in how long?

Davis made a couple nice plays but by putting him in, Pettine proved one thing... that he would rather prove a point than put the Browns in the best position to win..

I hope his point was received.

We need to keep Pettine until the end of the season. He is like a sleeper agent for the #1 pick.

No reason to fire Pettine. He's perfect as a tank commander.

Farmer, though...good god yes, fire him immediately.

Keep Pet until the end of the season and then can his butt. Farmer can go too. Why has Dwayne Bowe also not been held accountable for not being on the field either? The dude is reaping money with no plan of play time. I don't think the guy even wants too and that's who we brought in to stretch the field...Farmer needs to be evaluated on all of this and fired. I see what he is trying to do at face value, but it isn't working in his favor and that's on him.

Just so friggin' awful. I was for giving him another shot with Farmer and O'Neal getting the boot. Now? MY LORD, fire everyone. And sell the damn team, Jimmy.

When McCown had to come out of the game, I felt it was right to insert Manziel as there was so little time left. However, Davis did do the job and put us in a position to win, so from that perspective, Pettine did make the right call. On a side note, I expect that Davis will start the next game...

There was a problem with the headset cutting out, therefore getting the play in from Flip. I expect that no timeout was called as we wanted to preserve our last one. (Please correct me if I'm incorrect on that). Our bad luck; simply another way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...

One could argue that Davis thought he did the right thing by sliding to burn time off the clock and let the timeout come from the sideline so we could call timeout because we had 2 left.

We did run another play to get more time off the clock and kick the ball.

Moot point, they still had 2 timeouts left.

Thank you! I stand corrected...

If Haslam keeps these guys it is to tank the season.

Dead staff walking.

I was willing to give Pettine the pass as long as they fired Farmer and O'Neil, but at this point I'm not sure if it's worth caring about.

Nobody's going to come coach unless they can control the office from Haslam down and nobody's going to want to do that for a team that lacks talent.

One could argue that but I would argue they were wrong. The slide, which caused us to use a timeout, the burning of 20 seconds off the clock trying to get the team aligned, it all cost us the opportunity to run at least one, if not two, more plays. then with 8 seconds, rather than a quick out, we plowed up into the LOS. The end result was that we were playing for the 50 yard FG, from a guy whose season long is 44, rather than making it a much more makeable attempt.

The second season under Davis as HC.

Pettine is a play not to lose coach. No daring down field throws until late. No creativity in the game planning. No time management skills. Planning for OT until the backup QB gets you a chance at a long FG and then you figure you will settle for that while you have time outs left. It shows at the end of halves. It shows at the beginning of the second half every game. Why defer to the second half if you have no changes in the game plan at halftime to drive the ball down the field. Pettine is a narcissist and a true nihilist when it comes to the Cleveland Browns players. He has no faith in his players or coaches. He is a failed HC and I dare say, a failed coach. I am saddened by the state of the Cleveland Browns. It must be very difficult living in Cleveland.

"Play like a Brown" should be an illegal phrase and erased from all our minds by that flashing light thingy from MIB.

Steve Young said watching our last drive was like watching the debauchery of the HOF game. We are making these mistakes on the last day of November.

Pet cost his team a victory tonight by playing Davis ahead of Manziel. What did he do again? Rape someone? Beat a woman? Get arrested? Be involved in a money-laundering operation? Get caught w/illegal drugs?

What? There were pictures of him drinking? Oh, the horror.

Yes he is. Remember a few weeks ago when we stopped the Steelers on 4th down and got the ball on our 1 yard line and needed a couple first downs just to get out to where we could safely punt the ball, manziel was playing.. and from our 1, we ran a QB sneak, then a very predictable dive into the LOS, then chucked a deep ball and were forced to punt from our own endzone? Pettine didn't trust anybody on our team to actually make a play with our backs against the wall.

Compare that to last night, the Ravens got the ball on the 1, late in the 3rd quarter, trying to protect a 4 point lead.. threw it on every play, nothing fancy, just drop back and throw it with Matt Schaub, who had already thrown 1 pick-6 in the game, and who has been in recent years a turnover machine... and after 2 incompletions, they finally connected and got out past the 20 before they were forced to punt.

Does Pettine not realize that his players KNOW that he doesn't trust them to make a play? They aren't stupid, they have to know he thinks he is protecting them from themselves..

And with you thinking that pictures of him drinking is the main reason he was benched is evidence you have no idea what is going on.

Did Davis not lead us to tying the game?
Did Davis not put us into position to win with a FG?

No, Davis did not lose us the game

well, at least you won't be a hypocrite on the subject when Gordon is ready to be reinstated...

You're right. I won't be, but many of you will be.

You said the key word: "reinstated."

Gordon has been kicked out of two colleges for drugs and telling lies.

He has been busted in the NFL numerous times and been suspended twice. He has been arrested for a DUI after being suspended. He got caught drinking again after the DUI when he was told not to. He lied about almost all of it. Yeah, it was cough medicine and not purple drank. His ditched rehab after two weeks. He came back on the field last year and dogged it on almost every single play. Didn't want to practice. Went through the motions. Got suspended again.

And the very same guys who wanna castrate Johnny will be the very same guys welcoming Gordon back w/open arms.

So thanks, for pointing out that it won't be me who will be the hypocrite.

No one player loses the game, but what do you think about letting all that time running off the clock and sliding instead of running out of bounds?

If JM had done that, this board would be lit-up about how we have to cut him immediately. Davis does it and guys say he played well. LMAO..............priceless.

Yes, he should have run out-of-bounds. We simply don't know his rationale behind sliding. Once the play could not be communicated to Davis, a timeout should have been called immediately. I do not believe they were primary factors in losing the game...

Oh, I think I know why he slid. He was overwhelmed by the moment. He hasn't played all year. He wasn't mentally ready to handle such a pressure-packed situation. He was cut by the Rams. Yes, the Rams.........the same Rams who have had some of the worst qb play in the entire league this year.

Davis should never have been in this game. It's not losing the game that is significant. It's the mind-set of this franchise. They are losers and their ineptitude reared its ugly head once again.

Tanking the season is a conscious act. Losing on purpose.

Compared to our opponents, we have inferior talent and inferior coaching. We are losing because we are not good enough to win games, not because we are trying to.

It's been said, just stay close. We will find a way to lose. We have poor fundamentals. We have poor tackling. We have a passive defense. We cannot run. We do not know how to win.

I don't think you are following the conversation, mac. Read what purp said to me and then see my response.

They cost us the chance to run probably 2 more plays which could have turned a 51 yard FG attempt into a much shorter attempt. Those mistakes cost us the opportunity to greatly improve our chances of winning... Can you say that's why we lost? No, Davis played fairly well.. but his mistakes cost us too.

Is there any possibility that we might be able to get Payton Manning hired in a position of authority such as Ozzie, General Manager/Vice President and let an actual football mind control our team?
Perhaps then we might get coaches that can coach and players that can play.