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There, I vented. After working all day and praying for the 14 families that lost loved ones, unable to imagine their pain, I still don't feel much better.

you mean the same gutless french leader who is still taking in refugee's?

what a hypocrite to support somebody who goes against what your beliefs are on the situation.

we've been bombing the middle east, even obama, but all of a sudden people wanna ride the french PM's ball sack because what? he dropped a few bombs?

man you guys aren't being realistic.

even 40 gets it. you need a search warrant to look at the place, and the cops weren't gonna find anything just popping by as they had no right to enter the house at that point.

it would've led to a massive lawsuit, and who knows how many more people would've gotten killed if they had free cash to by better stuff.

i expect extreme irrational posting come from people who support back yard militias.

i don't expect that from somebody responsible for teaching my kids.

I just heard on the radio (Michael Medved Show) that of the 350-something mass shootings (3 or more people) in 2015, more than 200 were in Chicago, home of the most stringent gun restrictions in America. How many more gangbanger "mass shootings" in LA, Detroit, Cleveland, NY, etc in 2015? The majority of the rest would be my guess. But instead of the narrative being about Islamist terrorism right here on our own soil, its about the predominance of "mass shootings" in the USA, as compared to the largely disarmed European countries. Its a total media distraction, like "hey look, a bunny!". They do NOT want this to be about a terrorist attack on domestic soil.

Bet there isn't enough safes to hold all the responsible law abiding gun owners's fire arms and ammo.

So the better question is how many firearms and how much ammo is just lying around unattended in america's homes.

I say just give the death sentence to any and all people convicted of Murder. Make the sentence mandatory so judges can't fudge it up. Shoot all appeals to a court right below the supreme court to speed things up. When appeals are up immediately execute.

The next thing I would do that no one will agree with is that if you commit an act of mass murder or terrorism that not only should you be executed but your family as well unless they can show they were trying to stop them through the authorities. This crap where everyone knows Uncle Joe is nuts but don't want to say anything and then he goes to town ... on the town ... needs to be criminal. When you make the penalties severe enough many of these nut cases will think twice and their families will be a lot more ready to turn them in to stop their own punishment for not caring.

Yep, because in the long run it will help more than it hurts. For instance, When the Jihadist promise to take care of the suicide bombers family after their death they will know that it's a lie if their family is on US soil.

A desperate parent hellbent on killing people is more likely to control himself if he knows his children will pay the price along with him.

Me personally, I could care less. But good policy is always to remove the incentives to do evil and to give incentives to look after the greater good of the people. Families who have that crazy person are more likely to force them to get the help they need than to ignore it. Chances are if they get that mental health help it will avert a worse case scenario. If you can prove the family had no clue or that they were trying to get the nutjob some help then they are off the hook. Combine that with denying mentally unstable people the right to own firearms and it become even more effective.

I'd rather do what is best for the country than to worry about a few crazy people and families to lazy to care about them.

I just heard on the radio (Michael Medved Show) that of the 350-something mass shootings (3 or more people) in 2015, more than 200 were in Chicago, home of the most stringent gun restrictions in America. How many more gangbanger "mass shootings" in LA, Detroit, Cleveland, NY, etc in 2015? The majority of the rest would be my guess. But instead of the narrative being about Islamist terrorism right here on our own soil, its about the predominance of "mass shootings" in the USA, as compared to the largely disarmed European countries. Its a total media distraction, like "hey look, a bunny!". They do NOT want this to be about a terrorist attack on domestic soil.

You should move to North Korea. You'll fit right in.

So, while I think that there are a lot of causes for such violence in today's world, blaming "more guns" is like blaming an increase in DUIs on us having too many cars.

The population thing is a good point and one I was going to make until I realized who I was replying to...

I don't know why people compare guns to cars because the rate of auto deaths in the US has not shown any major increase..

Maybe it's because there are legal regulations and expectations for driving, yet people still own and drive cars, register their cars yearly and don't assume the government will confiscate them.

I just heard on the radio (Michael Medved Show) that of the 350-something mass shootings (3 or more people) in 2015, more than 200 were in Chicago, home of the most stringent gun restrictions in America. How many more gangbanger "mass shootings" in LA, Detroit, Cleveland, NY, etc in 2015? The majority of the rest would be my guess. But instead of the narrative being about Islamist terrorism right here on our own soil, its about the predominance of "mass shootings" in the USA, as compared to the largely disarmed European countries. Its a total media distraction, like "hey look, a bunny!". They do NOT want this to be about a terrorist attack on domestic soil.

I don't know why people compare guns to cars because the rate of auto deaths in the US has not shown any major increase..

Maybe it's because there are legal regulations and expectations for driving, yet people still own and drive cars, register their cars yearly and don't assume the government will confiscate them.

For the ziillionith time on this board, that is a logical fallacy.

Cars were not created with the intention to kill/neutralize a target. Cars were create to get driver and passenger from point a to point b.

A guns specific purpose, it's original creation was to kill or neutralize a target it was aimed at.

No maybe its because they kill more people then guns..maybe because they can also be used as a weapon..also just maybe cars are better made better have way better crash ratings is my guess why the death rates have stayed similar even with the boom in population.

For anyone interested...guess this doesnt fit your narrative the first page is pretty interesting..

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf



don't assume the government will confiscate them.

Assumptions??

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/5/editorial-obama-aims-for-confiscation-of-private-a/

but they are used..We benefit from the convenience of automobile travel, which may be why our abhorrence at vehicle-related mayhem quickly fades. Our initial shock at hearing of another vehicle-related crime becomes acceptance that auto-centered violence is a common subset of an increasingly violent society. It is not that we don’t care. Rather, we don’t understand the widespread impact. For example, few of us know or think about the fact that automobiles kill more people than do all weapons combined…. The most dominant weapons are firearms. Yet, although we insist that firearms have strict controls placed on them, it would be difficult to insist that motor vehicles require similar controls.

the rate of violent crime has decreased recently, but this year it's increased dramatically here in Cleveland. But, the discussion is about gun sprees aimed at unsuspecting victims, not a wife or husband or gang banger.

Umpqua Community College was not a "gun free" zone.

People still using cars as an analogy to guns???

There is no proper analogy to guns. Sorry, guns were made for killing, cars not.

That said. I support the right to bear arms. Just being real.