I am not an expert on the guy. There are just some things that I don't like.
I think his accuracy is a huge issue and I would never want to draft a qb w/that issue w/in the first 3 rounds of the draft. I also get the feeling that he plays the game his way, rather than the coaches way, and I question if he'll come around w/coaching.
He's too risky to draft high in my opinion. But, I've been wrong before and will be again...
I still think Mitch will be the best QB of the bunch but I'm leaning toward Mahomes as being the second best. I think the Browns taking him at 12 is a very real thing.
I have been watching as much as I can on these QBs and the more I watch Mahomes, the more I love the top end with him. The kid has an Elite arm right up there with the likes of Carr and Farve. He is an NFL body. 6-4, 230 range. He is a big kid and he plays big. He has very good mobility and incredible pocket awarness. Best mid and deep accuracy of any of the Qbs. He is perfect for Hue's offense in that he wants to go deep. Thats his goal is the big play and he puts it up and lets his receivers run to the ball.
Late first, I move up and take Mahomes. Get me ahead of Houston, and I draft Mahomes and let him develop for a year or two if need be.
I have been debating hard on it for awhile but I am finally ready to move Mahomes ahead of Trubisky. I like Trubisky and have pretty much an identical grade to that of Jimmy G coming out. Hell I may even take Webb over Trubisky before its over lol.
I believe you need the right QB for the right system and I want the big arm in Hue's system. I want size and mobility in this system and I get that with Pat.
However, if you like Mahomes that much, why even risk having to move up to draft him? Just take him at 12 and focus on 33. I guess that would be my approach if I thought he was the best QB in the draft which is where I'm guessing you have him right now.
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He is an NFL body. 6-4, 230 range. He is a big kid and he plays big. He has very good mobility and incredible pocket awarness.
Mahomet measured 6' 2" and 225lbs at the combine. About the same as both Watson Trubisky.
North Carolina’s Mitch Trubisky hit the 6-2 mark and Clemson’s Deshaun Watson weighed in at a solid 222 pounds. As expected, Notre Dame’s DeShone Kizer measured in the biggest at 6-4 1/4 and 233 pounds with 9 7/8-inch hands. Watson officially came in at 6-2 1/2 with 9 3/4-inch hands. Trubisky (222 pounds) actually came in an eighth of an inch taller than Texas Tech’s Patrick Mahomes (6-2, 225) and with slightly larger hands (9 1/2 inches) than the Red Raiders gunslinger (9 1/4).
If they can not land JG then I think they should cover their bases.
By that I mean look at more than one guy. Let's just say they like Trubisky. At the same time they may not want to go higher than 12 with him. If he is there great. They take him. They have a ton of picks. Why not take Mahomes in the second(the later pick) or third round. I am not saying don't go BPA. But go BPA if he is the BPA.
The Browns have to get their quarterback. Maybe Trubisky ends up stinking. Why not have two chances instead of one. Better odds.
What if someone takes Trubisky before 12?
I don't see Kizer or Watson as being far ahead of Mahomes. All have their pros and cons. Why not take BPA at 12 and look at Mahomes in the second round?
The truth for me is: Here we are with the first pick in the draft and the 12th. And I'll be damned but I don't see a quarterback that I really like worthy of either pick in the first round.
Watson, Trubisky, Kizer, and Mahomes I don't see much separation. Watson has the resume but there are questions about int's, ball placement, run first etc.
Trubisky has potential and played pretty good in 13 games. Can he be viewed as no risk with such limited experience? It is not like in 13 games he was so dominant that he stands alone as the best quarterback.
Kizer makes NFL throws. He has all physical tools you could want. Look at his completion percentage? He has not shown much consistency.
Mahomes comes from a wide open offense. Like many before him who have arm strength he tries to force the ball sometimes. I would rather work on teaching him that check down is sometimes good. Than having a guy like Kessler who is fearful about pushing the ball.
There is no question in my mind that Garoppolo is the guy. But if the Browns can not make that happen I hope they have backup plans with more than one option.
However, if you like Mahomes that much, why even risk having to move up to draft him? Just take him at 12 and focus on 33. I guess that would be my approach if I thought he was the best QB in the draft which is where I'm guessing you have him right now.
I cant pass on a probowler for a project no matter how much i like the project. I have been saying for months that NONE of these QBs were worth a top 15 pick and that just hasnt changed and its become reinforced with how well this class is being viewed.
The only reason I want to trade up into the first is because of the 5th year option on rookie 1st rounders. Hell it may take 2 years before one of these QBs are ready and it would be nice to have that extra year on them.
I believe we can have our cake and eat it too.
We get Garrett and then just take the top guy on our board regardless of position at 12 so if you do miss on the QB, you got 2 studs and you go back in next year and shoot for the QB again.
He is an NFL body. 6-4, 230 range. He is a big kid and he plays big. He has very good mobility and incredible pocket awarness.
Mahomet measured 6' 2" and 225lbs at the combine. About the same as both Watson Trubisky.
North Carolina’s Mitch Trubisky hit the 6-2 mark and Clemson’s Deshaun Watson weighed in at a solid 222 pounds. As expected, Notre Dame’s DeShone Kizer measured in the biggest at 6-4 1/4 and 233 pounds with 9 7/8-inch hands. Watson officially came in at 6-2 1/2 with 9 3/4-inch hands. Trubisky (222 pounds) actually came in an eighth of an inch taller than Texas Tech’s Patrick Mahomes (6-2, 225) and with slightly larger hands (9 1/2 inches) than the Red Raiders gunslinger (9 1/4).
He is an NFL body. 6-4, 230 range. He is a big kid and he plays big. He has very good mobility and incredible pocket awarness.
Mahomet measured 6' 2" and 225lbs at the combine. About the same as both Watson Trubisky.
North Carolina’s Mitch Trubisky hit the 6-2 mark and Clemson’s Deshaun Watson weighed in at a solid 222 pounds. As expected, Notre Dame’s DeShone Kizer measured in the biggest at 6-4 1/4 and 233 pounds with 9 7/8-inch hands. Watson officially came in at 6-2 1/2 with 9 3/4-inch hands. Trubisky (222 pounds) actually came in an eighth of an inch taller than Texas Tech’s Patrick Mahomes (6-2, 225) and with slightly larger hands (9 1/2 inches) than the Red Raiders gunslinger (9 1/4).
The deep balls Mahomes throws at 1:38 and again at 2:04 look like he just flips them out there, and are things of beauty. There's another at 3:52 and two frozen rope at 4:22 and 5:39 that are sweet too. Really nice deep ball accuracy on all those passes. The one at 8:44 probably should have been caught. He can obviously make all the throws. My biggest knock (if you can call it that) is that his accuracy seems to diminish distinctly under pressure. I love the way he sees the field though while on the move. I'd happily take him in this draft no matter what, and will be bummed if we come away without him. Given our situation, I'd probably draft him even if we take Trubisky.
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Hard pass on Mahomes in the first round at least. He is the kind of guy who will do well to carve out a 10 year career as a backup. He just has a lot of things to work on. He is a two sometimes three hitch and throw guy, not gonna work at the next level.
The deep balls Mahomes throws at 1:38 and again at 2:04 look like he just flips them out there, and are things of beauty. There's another at 3:52 and two frozen rope at 4:22 and 5:39 that are sweet too. Really nice deep ball accuracy on all those passes. The one at 8:44 probably should have been caught. He can obviously make all the throws.
The throw at 1:30 is Pat Mahomes in a nut shell. He throws off his back foot (bad) and delivers a 30-40 yard bomb on the money...lol. He needs work no doubt, but the talent is there to be sure.
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Chargers held a private workout with Texas Tech QB Pat Mahomes. They also reportedly worked out Tennessee's Josh Dobbs. This does not mean the Chargers are drafting Mahomes or Dobbs, but it does show they are doing real background work on top quarterbacks. Philip Rivers is signed through 2019, but he will turn 36 in December. It is time for the Chargers to at least consider their future at the position, and it will not be surprising if they add a developmental quarterback in this year's draft.
I would not mind drafting Mahomes. I have no idea when cringe afterwords. I know one thing for sure I hate to coach him!
You will never fully remove the unorthodox techniques. If you could harness it, I think you have something special. Main question here is can this kid be coached and does he love football.
I see LAC held a private workout. Two teams I think have the right setup is Chargers and Cardinals.
I would not mind drafting Mahomes. I have no idea when cringe afterwords. I know one thing for sure I hate to coach him!
You will never fully remove the unorthodox techniques. If you could harness it, I think you have something special. Main question here is can this kid be coached and does he love football.
I see LAC held a private workout. Two teams I think have the right setup is Chargers and Cardinals.
He addressed the love of football question during Gruden's QB camp. Whether you buy it or not is up to you. His answers seem more natural than some of the other guys to me.
Grimm, if what Patrick says is true and if Cleveland drafts him, I think him and Kessler make for an interesting QB room.
Physical talent Mahomes shows is impressive. Given the right environment he could be successful. If he comes to Cleveland, Haslam must show patience. Otherwise, this kid will suffer RG iii's fate. He'll never make it changing systems every year.
Such a wide assessment of him as a QB prospect...there are analyst who say we are going to draft him at 12 and some that have him in the 2nd/3rd round.
I don't know what to make of him...haven't watched enough film on him to evaluate him myself. But Accuracy is probably the most important virtue and the negatives I've read are about his accuracy.
We'll see - unlike Charlie Casserty advice that we should get our QB next year.
That is advice that would get people FIRED...you see someone you like you draft them now. UNLESS you got that Franchise QB already. There is no tomorrow...that's like your teenage kids saying YEAH I'll Do that Tomorrow when you ask them to do a task...odds are that tomorrow never comes.
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I am about to the point that I have him rated over Trubs. They are definitely 1/2, but Mahomes upside is just through the roof.........so much talent, but so very raw/undisciplined it gives you pause.
I've seen a ton of media types advocating us taking him at 12 (and I wouldn't do that), but if we want him I don't think it's a lock he's there at 33. It will be interesting to see where he goes he supposedly is meeting with the Cardinals today as well so that's a possibility.
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I really like Pat the more I watch him play. He really reminds me of a Brett Favre type of player. He can throw those long bombs on a rope too which is very rare talent to have. When it comes to potential I think he has the most potential of anyone in this draft. I would trade up into the bottom of the first to get him too.
Another guy I would love to see us draft after round 3 is Josh Dobbs. Josh is super smart and is really good at reading a defense.
If we went into the season with Cody, Pat, and Josh as our QBs I have to admit I'd get a little excited about the long term benefits. I'd love to see Cody play well this year and have pat and josh sit the bench for a few years.
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I don't think he makes it to round 2 because there is a lot of buzz tying him to Houston. Plus, teams like the 5th year option for QBs.
Also, there was that article talking about a bunch of teams having Watson and Trubisky as the top QB, but it also mentioned there were a couple that had Mahomes. It only takes one team falling in love with the guy.
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I don't think he makes it to round 2 because there is a lot of buzz tying him to Houston. Plus, teams like the 5th year option for QBs.
Also, there was that article talking about a bunch of teams having Watson and Trubisky as the top QB, but it also mentioned there were a couple that had Mahomes. It only takes one team falling in love with the guy.
The more I watch the tape, accompanied by all the buzz around him shooting up the draft boards I think you might be right. Heck, I won't be shocked if he is the first QB selected at this point.....him, Trubs, and Webb are all grouped fairly close to me (late 1st/early 2nd grade), and the rest are junk.
I'm not full fledge pimping him yet, but I'm teetering.....ton of talent.
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Bridgewater had the arm it was his small hands and slight frame........he never failed a velocity test that pretty much has universally proven to be a death nail to those who don't pass it.
Teams were stupid to pass on Teddy, but Watson is a late round project in the mold of Ken Dorsey......stay away
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
This year's draft class reminds me of the one w/Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder or even a bit like the one w/EJ Manuel and Gino Smith.
Guys are being way overvalued because the rest of the group is so poor.
I say----buyer beware!
Mitch has a much different skill set than any of the BUMS u mentioned ... and i thought all of the guys u mentioned were BUMS before they came out ... even Watson has a much better shot than the bums in those classes ...
U rail on guys cause they say beware of JG cause of the failures of all the other NE back ups once they leave NE ... and i agree with U ..... but now your saying the buyer needs to beware of Mitch cause of PAST SIMILIAR DRAFT PROJECTIONS of the QB's in it ...
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